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WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS POST?!?!?!

Should y'all be studying for block exams anyways???

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I didn't get that memo. Someone should cut off my internet. haha I'm surfing for headphones.

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We've talked to several 5th semesters who are saying the same thing. Aparently what makes this semester and last semester different from all the ones before are two things, which we have been told by these 5th semesters: 1) the class sizes each semester are getting bigger and more clinical spots were not being added...so now you have larger classes trying to fill the same spots and 2) back when it was smaller class sizes, it would only affect maybe 10 people or so (not having enough spots, people getting "bumped" out of a spot, etc) and now it is affecting 80+ people (and they are making more noise than 10 or so people would make).

We've also been told how there is no organization at AUC by the Clinical department and there is no "tracking" of the students to see who has the scores in and is ready to start...which is why now, there are last semester students saying "Hey, that spot isn't a 5th semester's spot....I already took the test, have my grade...it's mine" which brings me to the next point we were told about.

Apparently Phil Green and Victor ??? were promising spots to current 5th semesters....and with the semester before hand needing spots, these 5th semesters who were told they had a spot got bumped (one of them being the SGA President) and either don't have a spot now and have to wait or the only option is to go to England/Ireland if there are openings (what some would say is being "forced" to go to England/Ireland....but on a side note, if you have time to wait around for the next slot to open at a certain clinical site, that should not be a problem...but how long of a wait determines the site's start date.) First of all, maybe this is what has happened before and they never really got "caught", but promissing spots to people who are not even done w/ 5th semester when there are others out there who are done, taken the Step 1 and need a spot is just crazy. Phil and Victor messed up big time here not staying on top of the students who were already done w/ 5th semester and by promising spots, sending out confirmations....without really having anything to base it on. But one also has to ask: how long are these students waiting then to take their Step 1? Are these students waiting too long and as a result, are creating a problem b/c they are "backing up" onto the next semester....resulting in not enough clinical sopts for everyone who needs them? All the 5th semesters we have talked so say that the Clinical department needs to keep better track of the students and there should be a timeline set that in order to go to a certain site, you need to have your test done by such and such date (which soon, you will need to have a passing score and not just the test taken to begin).

Apparently this lady hired above Phil Green seemd to have a proactive appraoch and wants to get everything fixed. There have been numerous reports written and presented to the right people at MEIO (who were here for the Clinical Fair), the Dean, several professors here, and also Dr. **** was present. So the current 5th semesters and SGA seem to really be making noise on these NUMEROUS issues that are affecting their class and by the looks of it, if nothing is changed, will also affect future classes....since we all know each semester is getting larger and larger...but where are the additional clinical spots to make up the difference?

Again, this is all what we have heard from SEVERAL 5th semester students. They are all saying the same thing and to quote one who was very upfront, "There are just not enough spots". I can see where semester before may not have had these problems, but to have several 5th semesters say the same thing....and we've talked to these people individually, so it wasn't like there was a group just agreeing with what one person said, obviously there IS something going on with the clinical department, clinical spots, and the current situation.

Additionally, we also heard how certain students mentioned their former hospital (where they worked) was a teaching hospital, these students had talked to those in charge of the hospital for setting up cllinical spots and agreed to speak to Phil and Victor about adding AUC since they needed and would gladly take AUC students. We've heard that Phil and Victor were not at the least bit interested in hearing more about these (at least a couple different situations) and at one phone conversation, they told the hospital "we will call you back next week".....and nothing else developed. Again, we've heard a similiar story from at least another individual.

There are a lot of rumors flying around out there, too which I confronted several 5th semesters about and got the real story. I know everyone says don't worry, it will work out, there are enough spots. I agree at one point that may have been the case. I know teratos (editied b/c I originally thought it was FLK) has mentioned his hospital used to have 6 spots that went unfilled. Many students and their families don't want to doubt what the majority used to say regarding clinical spots....but a concern should definitely be there when you do consider larger class sizes with very few additional sites added. Literally, it just doesn't add up. Students should not have to wait any unreasonable time from the time they finish 5th semester, take Step 1, (get their grade since will soon be in affect), and begin their rotations. I can see where some may elect to wait in order to "get" that spot they really wanted....but we are hearing many will have to wait JUST for a spot. Also, we were told this will really affect the January starters b/c the Sept class is always big, is getting bigger, so there may be "leftovers" falling into the next semester (Jan) for clinical spots. THey added that other start months would be affected too, if nothing changes, just not as greatly. Everyone also said they thought when they were 1st, 2nd, 3rd semester, it would all work out. But here they sit with this dilema. It is to the point that several of these 5th semesters.....and additional students in other semesters.......have considered transfering because they feel they were misled by AUC and the clinical department.

I can continue, but this is the majority of things we are hearing from 5th semesters. It seems like the 5th semesters and SGA are doing a great job trying to get these matters heard and eventually trying to get these matters resolved. But we have also heard how it takes a while to get clinical spots opened up. We want to hear what others think about these situations and how much truth there is to all of this. Like the original poster said, we're not believing everything we hear, but at this point with how often we are hearing this, from different people, and the points they give, .....and no information to counter act what we are all hearing, you have to think at least some of it is true.


......Mike Myers in a Linda Richmond voice... "Discuss amoungest yourself."

Most of that is true but we'll get the final word come later today or something. I know the higher ups including the Clinical affairs dean and Dr. **** as well as his son and all the others are setting up meetings left and right so we'll hear the final outcome soon enough.

The clinical fair reps are being good about this and trying to accomodate more students in their spots even though they are already full.

Again, let's not start a hanging just yet.... wait until after block exams!!!!

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sorry I think you have me confused with Teratos, who is actually an attending at one of the AUC sites in Baltimore. As he is currently there, perhaps he will address this specific point.

having chosen to go to England to specifically get a 4 month head start on my fellow classmates, and having had a wonderful time there ( and also learning quite a bit of clinical medicine ) I have always been an advocate ( or at least have recommended it as a good alternative to waiting for a US slot ...or moving between various US sites ) of going to England for 3rd year

That was about a year ago. Frankly, now that I am an attending, I am not really in tune with the number of student spots and who fills them. As a resident, I helped coordinate the student program. My feeling is that more recently, the spots have been filled. G

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