Clinical Rotations in Pontiac, Michigan

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Has anyone done any of their core rotations at North Oakland Medical Center or St Joseph Hospital in Pontiac, Michigan?

If so, how was your experience?

[Sree Cheruku]

I have many friends who did Family Medicine (the only Green rotation there) and all had very positive experiences. The attendings teach well and the residents are friendly etc. There's noon conference daily with teaching rounds as well as outpatient experience.

Nearby St. Joe's has Greenbook rotations in Ob/Gyn, Surgery, IM, Radiology, and many electives - so if you're in the area, you might as take care of some of those.

Pediatrics is not Greenbook in either hospital.

[adenosine]

Thank you, Sree!

I actually completed my Family Practice rotation in Chicago at JPH.

I was interested in doing my IM, Surgery and OB/GYN in Michigan. Do you know anyone who has completed these rotations at St Joseph Hospital?

Would you know if elective rotations have to be ACGME accredited to practice in Texas. I have been getting mixed answers.

[Sree Cheruku]

I actually completed my Family Practice rotation in Chicago at JPH.

Me too Wish I had done it in Michigan but we didn't have Michigan back then.

I was interested in doing my IM, Surgery and OB/GYN in Michigan. Do you know anyone who has completed these rotations at St Joseph Hospital?

I did surgery - excellent rotation. I highly recommend it. Buy Surgical recall and Lawrence's Essentials of General Surgery and read ahead of time. You have to be in the hospital by 530AM, get vitals on your patients till 6AM, round on patients till your first case, then alternate between the OR and doing surgical consults (supervised at first, independently later) until 4:30-6:00 when you can go home.
You're expected to know absolutely everything about the 10 or so patients on your team's list - that includes important vitals, the status of ordered radiology reports etc. You're also expected to know every little anatomical detail relevant to the cases that you are observing. You're on call every four days. Weekends are off unless you're on call. In surgery, being late to anything, especially the 7 AM morning lecture, even by 30 seconds will result in serious consequences. At 6:55AM you better drop everything and run as fast as you can towards the lecture hall. there will usually be one other student on your team (there are two teams: green and blue) - you need to look up the following day's schedule ahead of time and split the cases between yourselves. never allow the chief residents to operate without a student assistant in the room or it will reflect very badly. at the end of the rotation, there is both a written and an oral exam. if you read lawrence (skinny text book) you should be fine.

Also did Ob/Gyn is Greenbook through affiliation with North Oakland (even though North Oakland's program shut down but on paper it still exists till this July.) After that, SJMO plans to get their DO program dually accredited (ACGME) for Ob/Gyn, so make sure it is dually accredited if you plan to start Ob/Gyn here after the second week of May. Teaching isn't too great in Ob/Gyn - two days a week an attending named Dr. R lectures - he's the only good teacher. The rotation is divided into three weeks of Ob and three weeks of Gyn. Ob is pretty hands on, especially when you're on call and the department is understaffed. Gyn is not very good here, because there is no Gyn program really - just Gynecological surgery. So, if you're into surgery, you're in luck. Calls are once a week, hours are 6-6. You get to work at 6 AM do post-partum notes on your assigned patients (usually the ones whose babies you delivered the previous day). recommend you do Ob before surgery because everyone is nice and no one yells at you for not knowing stuff. use the opportunity to learn to tie surgical knots and seal skin and fascia. you can use those skills to impress in surgery.

if you want to practice in texas, the only electives you can do here are Radiology and IM electives with the exception of neurology. I did radiology here - it's not too much teaching but it's ok. Two attendings like to teach - Dr. M and Dr. K - make sure you stick with them. Hours are flexible. Noon lectures everyday. ICU radiology rounds every morning at 9AM where the radiologists read chest x-rays for the ICU residents.

I didn't do IM here but everyone else seemed to like it.

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Originally Posted by Sree Cheruku

Nearby St. Joe's has Greenbook rotations in Ob/Gyn, Surgery, IM, Radiology, and many electives .

For doing IM electives at St. Joe's where can you find info and who to contact. I can't find a link on their website for student medical education. My other electives I set up by myself as the AUA clinical coordinators are too busy with scheduling peoples cores.

[Sree Cheruku]

The contact person is DM. Check your PM for contact info. She's amazing, by the way.

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Originally Posted by Sree Cheruku

The contact person is DM. Check your PM for contact info. She's amazing, by the way.

Thanks for the info.

[NicSTX]

Looks like I'm headed to michigan for surgery. Starts on may 19 - can anyone send me a housing list please, and the website for the hospital please? We only have ONE rotation in michigan for surgery right? She didn't give me the exact name of the hospital, but i want to be certain.