My reaction to our clinicals

[Sree Cheruku]

Wyckoff allows you to do most cores - except Psych, which you can get done at St. John's Episcopal.

I also forgot the fact that some hospitals can be greenbook in one core/elective but not necessarily greenbook in another core? Am I right/wrong?

Right.

[urgentcase]

well what about blue book rotations? The DO accredited ones. They are still fair game right?

Originally Posted by Sree Cheruku

Will take me 3 years 8 months to graduate. The reason being that I moved lots and lots and lots of times (Chicago, Baltimore, Michigan, New York) to ensure that I was enrolled in accredited rotations. Also, I scheduled all my rotations back to back - taking no time off even for Christmas or New Years. For example, last Friday I finished in Michigan. Saturday, I drove to NY and Monday I started my next rotation. Most people find that difficult/annoying - I got used to it. Got used to air beds and lean cuisine and packing everything I own into the back of my car for cross country trips.

As a fifth semester student, the only thing you should be worried about is getting the highest score possible on Step 1. The day you get your Step 1 score back, call your counselor and have her schedule Pediatrics at Wyckoff (or San Juan) as soon as possible. Take the Step 1 score waiting period to make a list of medical specialties your interested in, plan your electives etc. Learn about Greenbook rotations and educate your colleagues. While people complain that we can't be licensed to practice medicine in California, we can't practice in 25 other states either if we don't have Greenbook rotations.

[Sree Cheruku]

well what about blue book rotations? The DO accredited ones. They are still fair game right?

Blue book rotations are those that are affiliated with a Family Medicine program. They're not acceptable in the states that require Green rotations. Osteopathic rotations are safer in my opinion, because certain states like New York consider them to be equal to Green rotations, but contact your state board for more information.

[g6pddfishnc]

I thought that Blue Book meant osteopathic/DO/AOA accredited? Am I confusing this with Family Medicine rotations/programs?

[Sree Cheruku]

Bluebook = Family-affiliated, This type of rotation is only accepted in places like New York (only if done OUTSIDE New York) and California (where AUA students can't be licensed anyway).

Osteopathic rotation = accredited by the AOA. This type is ok in certain DO-friendly states like New York.

[g6pddfishnc]

Okay Sree, thanks for clearing that up...but just to make sure that I understand correctly, when you say 'family-affiliated', do you mean approved by AAFP (American Association of Family Physicians) or something like that, because I thought that FM is a specialty like IM, Peds, Psych, Ob/Gyn, etc.

By the way, I posted a follow-up question in the license thread I started. Thanks for the info!

[Sree Cheruku]

when you say 'family-affiliated'

When I say family affiliated, I'm referring to a non-Family Medicine rotation in a hospital that contains an ACGME-accredited residency program in Family Medicine or is affiliated with such a residency program.

For example, the Pediatrics rotation at St. Joe's in Michigan is affiliated with the Family Medicine residency program at NOMC. However, neither hospital has an ACGME-accredited residency program in Pediatrics. So, the rotation is Bluebook rather than Greenbook.

[Jakeislove]

Sree,

I really appreciate your taking the time to educate us on this matter.

Being accepted into a residency in a state where one couldn't get licensure would be a disaster. It's very likely residency programs automatically reject people who have license issues.

What's your guess as to how long until a graduate has to sit out the match and re-take some rotations?

[g6pddfishnc]

Sree, thanks for clarifying. I think I understand this much better now. Going with your example of peds at st. joe's in michigan, being bluebook outside of NY it is likely to be accepted in NY. However if you you take the example of southside hospital which only has a residency in FM, and only offers a greenbook rotation in FM, but (just as an example), if that hospital were to offer an ob/gyn rotation affiliated with the program, it would also be bluebook, but not accepted in NY because it is in NY. So we would be better off at a DO hospital/rotation in that case (at least for NY). Do I have that right?

To Jake,

I think there is something called a limited license in some states (that is only valid for a few years) for residency purposes, but someone please correct me on that if I'm mistaken.

Thanks again!

[Jakeislove]

No idea about the limited license. Sorry.