They actually do need a charter and IMED listing as unlike Polish schools , they are 'OUTSIDE' the charter country...a similar example was the Senegal Charter of St. Chris, which had a Luton campus, the school is no more.

Tipton, its unfortunate that You think I am 'annoyed' with KMCIC, I have 4 family members at various semesters in KMCIC right now...and if you have access to IP logging you will realise I am in Manipal right now.........apart from the VMD board KMCIC students do not have any other recourse as Mr. P's prowess to supress concerns of students is a legend.


As for questions raised by a newbie poster about if indeed AUA did or did not fail to mention KMCIC, ...the application is dated the 28th of March,2008.You dont have to be board member to have access to such information,lol. The question is this a concern for KMCICers and their family who foot their education bills.

The latest news so far is this, that AUA's appcation is being viewed in negative light, the same as St Mathew's was, as they too had not mentioned the existence of their Vertinery school, when they applied for CA. I only hope that AUA will rectify the situation, and get CA.......but its KMCIC's 400 odd students who have the problem right now....find out if indeed their time and effort at KMCIC can be salvaged, because their no two opinions about the fact that AUA did not mention KMCIC at all in their application. This makes KMCICers wonder if their program is bonafide.

To posters , who are indulging in personal abuse, it only portrays you, makes no difference to me, I will post honestly what information I will get from the medical boards and ECFMG.

DOC, you are telling me to relax....but a few days back when AUA loan went astray, you were like me concerned.......but the stakes are higher for KMCICers......will they have to repeat their semesters at another school or AUA?....where will the money come from?..Trust me its not very relaxing....

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no no, comparing St. Chris and this is completely different. let me give you an example, the English program at Jag (a school a Poland) recently got California-approval. here's IMEDs listing for schools in Poland: IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - Search Results

do you see any separate listings for English programs? i don't, that's because they don't need a separate listing. same holds true for KMCIC, it's just another division in that school, it's not in another country like some of St. Chris's would be.

if you can show me a different listing for these English programs in Europe (which is the same type of school pertaining to US and Canadian med students), then i'll rethink my stance.

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and again, how are they outside the charter country? they attend school in india at KMC

i honestly don't really care about their whole affiliation and i don't see why you're making this big deal about it. you have no idea whether it will affect AUA when it comes time for the decision from CA which is years away.

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OK right now DOC, you and Tipton are having divergent views...Tipton is saying KMCIC is AUA's twin, and you are saying KMCIC is KMC's twin........KMC;s having a twin program has to regulated by MCI, Govt of Karnataka[The local govt], and Govt of India[Federal Govt]..........so KMCIC is a not another division of KMC, because if KMCIC was another division of KMC, then by law only a small fraction of its seats had to be given to Non Indian citizens, but KMCIC has only Canadian and US students.

But KMC offers a small fraction of its seats to Non Indian citizens, but the Indian students have to sit in a common entrance test to make it to KMC...you dont need any tests to enter KMCIC.

Conclusion: KMCIC is just not another division in KMC school, its separate, and completely out of the pre-view of MCI. KMCIC is a twin school of AUA.

You can also call MCI[Medical council of India] at 91-11-253-67033 or 35 or 36 or 37.........

Also DOC, its not about 'you', its about KMCICers and their family members, the 400 odd students dont really worry about what others are thinking, its about saving their investment in time, effort and money.....

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.....Indian laws are not the same as Poland DOC, you cannot extrapolate them onto Indian Med school laws, which is governed by its parliament, and MCI.....

About AUA getting CA, I want it to get it as any other Joe at AUA, its a great school........the news that it 'may not' is not my take, but thats what CA med board is saying, why dont you call themDOC?, ofcourse u are right in the middle of step studies, but it only takes 3 minutes...do call...good day..

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Can somebody please tell if the quote below from Tipton applies to KMCIC students as well? And if this does happen, how much of an affect will this apply to student's education? Thanks

Direct link to post: http://www.valuemd.com/asian-medical...mangalore.html


"Sorry I can't address your questions about comparing KMC-Manipal and KMC-Mangalore. But I can address the MCI "recommendation for derecognition" issue.

The Medical Council of India has "recommended" to the Indian Ministry of Health to "derecognize" KMC, which if enacted would be the equivalent of withdrawing accreditation of KMC. Per Dr. R. Pai, President of Manipal University ( I spoke with him in our NY office and on a boat in Manipal druing an evening party) MCI is trying to use its political muscle to strong arm KMC for money. Originally I thought it was tied to NRI and other non-Indian students enrolling in Manipal University. However its apparently much simpler than that: Dr. Pai simply doesn't want to "play the game" with MCI's politics. MCI doesn't "recognize" Indian Medical Schools. The Indian Ministry of Health does. And they have not taken MCI's "recommendation". One of my students actually called the Ministry of Health and asked them about it and they pointed out the fact that a stamp has been issued with the face of TMA Pai, founder of KMC. And they have no intention of "derecognizing" KMC.

What does this mean? Nothing.

For a few months back in 2002(?) KMC students were having trouble registering with ECFMG for USMLE. But that issue was resolved by Manipal University. Now its simply what it has always been: a toothless threat."

KMCIC is not an Indian Medical School hence has no need of MCI or Indian Health Ministry recognition. All approvals for KMCIC are tied to it's sister/twin school: AUA.

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What if along the way, KMC gets de-accreditation, and how would that affect KMCICers?

Also, didn't the ministry decide to keep KMC accredited?

Just a couple of questions in thought... Thanks.

It wouldn't happen in the first place. But IF it did KMCIC, since it is not an Indian Medical School, would not be affected.

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Okay, but KMC's top reputation in India and one of the prestigious in the world, I don't think they will receive de-accrediation in the long run. What did they do wrong that would get them to this point.

Tipton, I noticed I've opened new threads that I didn't get a response to. Would it be possible if you can respond to them, since you are the Guru of the entire program? Thanks a lot.