As we saw with St. Chris in the UK and Cornell in Quatar, a school campus outside their country of listing in IMED need to get their own listing. (I assume this to be the case as I have watched the events of these out-of-country campuses unfold.)

So, it seems to me that KMCIC and AUA mix may be trouble come licensing time in the US/Canada for those students using this combo.

But, what the heck do I know? It's not my money and years to take a chance on.

As has already been mentioned in this thread, this is a moot discussion. AUA and KMC created a "twinning" relationship which resulted in KMCIC. Two Medical schools whose IMED and WHO listing is not in question, created a sister-school relationship (thus twinning program): Kasturba Medical College International Center (KMCIC).

I know I have written this about 100 times here already. But let's try once again. KMCIC students become AUA students when they return to the US. Whether you would like to call this a transfer of credit or simply transitioning from Basic Sciences to Clinicals, that is what happens.

KMCIC does not need MCI listing (the original topic opf this thread).

Let me clarify something in regards to what "transfer"ing from one school to another means. Every university or university system decides how they will or will not accept credit when a student applies for "transfer". The student is reviewed first for Admission/Acceptance into the school and second for Placement into the curriculum. In this case (KMCIC to AUA), the review is only for Placement since KMCIC students are already accepted into AUA's "twin"/sister school in Manipal. Just as AUA students have the ability to "transfer" from Antigua to Manipal without having to seek Acceptance into KMCIC but rather simply Placement. KMCIC students do not seek Acceptance into AUA (whether from Manipal to Antigua or Manipal to 5th Semester, Miami).

I do not know how to address confused analogies between AUA/KMCIC and St. Chris or any other school. I don't know enough about how St. Chris was established, whether under the auspices of a UK school and its home institution or simply as a satellite. KMCIC is not simply a satellite of AUA. But rather a "twin" of AUA established under the auspices of one of the most prestigious Medical Schools in the world: Kasturba Medical College.

My office is at 2 Wall Street on the 10th Floor, NYC. Feel free to drop in for more clarification. Or give me a call/email: 866-562-7708 tcarlson@auamed.org .

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AUA / KMCIC

Tipton: You have not answered any of the questions I asked you.

As for your present post, I have another question which I would prefer you to answer them on this forum, so the over 300 odd students of KMCIC and their parents can know of this issue better.Plus it will help 1000's more who would like to know more about KMCIC.

As for your mentioning, that AUA and KMC simply decided one fine morning to form a twinning program aka KMCIC......Does it have ECFMG's sanction?
Because if it does not, then the KMCIC program has no legal basis.

A 'twinning' program just cannot be formed just because you want to form them, but needs ECFMG certification.

And as Tipton did not answer the questions I raised in my previous posts about 'transcript swapping'...I am raising them again....

Do KMCIC students when they register with ECFMG ,
(a) Use KMCIC transcripts?
(b) Use AUA transcripts in lieu of their KMCIC transcripts?
(c) Do they let ECFMG know that though they are using AUA transcripts, they never went to AUA, but went to its 'twin' school, the KMCIC**, thousands of miles away in India?
**KMCIC is not KMC; KMCIC is not IMED listed;It has a different curricullum than AUA and KMC;

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So, when the students are in India doing the basic sciences, are they students registered with KMC?

If not, then are they registered as students with AUA and doing their basic sciences in India?

Or, are they registered with KMCIC when they are in India?

When students are in India, they are registered as KMCIC students...they cannot be KMC students, as KMC students have to pass a Comman Entrance Test, that is regulated by the Govt of India and Karnataka...the KMC program in 5 years plus according to the new law, maybe a year more.

AUA has no say , nor any connection with the KMCIC students in India in their day to day affairs....the acceptance letter[can be presented here on the forum with names deleted] is mailed from KMCIC ,Manipal,India too...AUA merely accepts the applications and forwards them to KMCIC[not in most cases, as many apply directly to KMCIC office,India directly]

KMCIC acceptance standards are very lax....unlike KMC.
KMCIC is a different entity in a different building.


The truth is many students are unaware, till they reach Manipal, that they are mere KMCIC students and not KMC students.
And this is the clincher,even KMC does not accept KMCIC credits or transfers or even AUA credits for that matter....thats some 'twinning' relationship.....

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This is first time I have heard someone claim that a student accepted into KMCIC is surprised to find they have not been accepted into KMC. How odd that some anonymous poster here on VMD is making the claim. I speak with 20 or 30 prospective students and parents every day and have been in regular contact with current students. No one has ever made that claim to me. And believe me I have heard some doozies.

AUA's and KMCIC's Admissions Committees are independent. KMCIC's Admissions Committee follows standards established by AUA. Occasionally they make slightly different decisions for individual students. 99% of the time they are exactly the same.

About 10% of all applications to KMCIC go to Manipal directly. The rest go to me. And yes I forward (scan/email) them directly to the KMCIC Admissions Committee. Some students who apply to other programs in Manipal (MBBS, Nursing, Pharm...etc.) and are not accepted then decide to apply to KMCIC accounting for maybe 2% or 3% more of accepted KMCIC students.

KMCIC's admin offices, faculty offices and dedicated classroms/labs are in the same building as some of KMC's classrooms. KMCIC students share libraries, common classroms and every other facility of Manipal University.

And of course the "clincher" LOL. KMC doesn't accept transfer credit from another Medical School. (including KMCIC) Notice that punctuation there: period. A student could be enrolled in Harvard Medical School and apply to transfer to KMC and not receive transfer credit. "Why?" You may be asking yourself? Because Indian Medical Schools do not accept transfer credit. Any student applying to KMC is applying to the first semester whether they are coming out of high school, college, a Master's program or if they have a PhD.

KMCIC is not an Indian Medical School.

Compared to KMC, KMCIC's admissions standards are easier, yes. But how are you comparing one of the most prestigious and desirable Medical Schools in the world with KMCIC which has been in existence for 2 1/2 years now? KMC, Manipal has an incoming class of 250 every year and probably 40-50,000 applicants for those 250 spots.

I hope someone out there is being edified by this. I feel like I'm working with a certain "least common denominator" situtation here. Answering the same questions over and over again. Must be the nature of VMD.

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KMCIC students are KMCIC students: AUA's twin. KMCIC will never be KMC. KMC is an Indian Medical School. KMCIC is a US-modeled medical school. This is a sister-school relationship allowing students from the US and Canada the opportunity to take advantage of being enrolled in KMCIC for Basic Sciences (or Premed-Basic Sciences) at Manipal University. Then returning to the US for Clincal Rotations, USMLE Steps 1 & 2, graduating from AUA with an MD and gaining residency through the NRMP match.

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KMCIC has the same curriculumas AUA. Another erroneous claim above.

KMCIC students BECOME AUA students when returning to the US. They would submit ALL Medical School transcripts to ECFMG just like any other student. If a student should begin medical school at Ross then transfer to AUA she/he would need to submit both transcripts when registering for USMLE through ECFMG.

I have rarely seen so many erroneous assumptions made when asking questions. I will of course continue to answer more questions. Might I suggest not making so many erroneous assumptions? It would make answering your inquiries easier and more useful.

And no, I will not point out what your erroneous assumptions are. Anyone can read your questions and find them on their own.

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Okay, thanks.

I did a search for KMCIC (Kasturba Medical College International Center) and did not find it on IMED:
IMED - FAIMER International Medical Education Directory - Search Results

So, are they students registered with Manipal University, this IMED listing?

Students first register with ECFMG for Step 1. Try looking up AUA since KMCIC students will be AUA students by that time.

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