You are an NRI, act like it. Don't wallow in the same cesspool of "No one understands my problems" that every fool does. We're supposed to be special, because we can understand the way people in India think, as well as the people in America. We're the real connection between East and West.

If you honestly have no cultural knowledge of India, then that happens to be your parents' fault. Mine raised me to know what India is like, and what the culture of India is. I may not be religious, but I do know major aspects of Hinduism, and Islam. Regardless of that, I possess something known as common sense. That allows me to realize what is socially acceptable, and what is not.

I've never enjoyed bullying on the playground when I was a child, and I certainly don't intend to let it happen when I'm 18 and in college. What I did learn from my experiences on the playground was that most bullies have problems of their own, and they're simply looking for an outlet. You need to establish, in the most peaceful manner possible, that you are NOT and outlet for them.

Earn their respect. If they think you got in on money and no talent, then perhaps you should have worked hard, and demonstrated that you do have talent. Instead, you chose to sit around and whine that people didn't like you. From what I gather, that attitude didn't exactly get you far.

Hello Vibe, I really appreciate your post. It is true that people, who have problems in adjusting themselves in Indian culture, always try to find out faults from others. Before applying and going to India, we should know well about Indian culture and Indian education system. Indian education system is entirely different than American/Canadian education system. There teachers have full authority on students. I still remeber, when our teachers were beating us for not completing home work even in grade 10 & 11. This does not happen in American/Canadian system. Other side of picture is most of Indian Doctors and engineers are very successfull professionals in America/ Canada even in whole of world. Indians have made there own image in world being a well educated professionals. When we go to India for study, not only we get good education there but good Indian values too. We need to show Indian students that, of course we entered in school through different route, but we are not less intellegent than them. We are also born and brought up with Indian culture.
Vibe, Please keep on posting stuff that motivate people of Indian Origin.

Its more like this, Indian people have this entirely "holier than thou" attitude about themselves. They believe themselves to be better than us, because we talk to girls, and because some of us choose to drink.

Lets consider this though. America isn't the country with the largest amount of HIV cases. As Justice Scalia and his ilk are found are saying, India and China are the next superpowers, in everything from nukes to HIV cases.

I went to school in India for 11th and 12th, and it is entirely true that everyone is superficial here. Its a hypocritical environment here, and the only ones that are capable of surviving, are the ones that don't give a damn. In India, everything is perfectly acceptable, as long as its an Indian that does it. If its one of us, it becomes entirely deplorable.

Thats the environment there. Blaming this and that isn't going to get any of us anywhere. You can sit around and blame everyone from Ramdas Pai to GG Christo, but the fact remains, the ONLY one to ever blame is yourself. If you're going to act like you're special because you're an NRI, then you really do deserve everything that comes to you.

If you attempt to gain the respect of those around you, then it works out. As all of us here know, respect is always earned, not given. Going around claiming that our parents earn money in Dollars or Euros isn't the best way to get people to like you. Its being funny, interesting, and generally like-able. We aren't celebrities. We're normal students, attempting to go to school like every single one of the millions of kids out there.

i totally agree with u Vibe. I was very dissappointed in people who post this kind of stuff, which not only is biased but is also affecting the decision that others make after reading the post.

All i have to say to these people is that accept the fact that the only reason they are doing residency or are successful doctors is because of Manipal (regardless of what experiences they had over there).

Hence, everyone should make decisions based on their true research and not after reading biased opinions of certain people.

amen ^^^

So, now that we've established that we shouldn't listen to these people, what shall we do next?

Contrary to the attempts of some to paint it as such, this is not a culture clash issue. It's an issue of corruption and illegal activities that go on in the wretched little village of Manipal.

You do not have to ask questions, or be in the face of the locals, or do anything wrong, or be some sort of "partyer" if that's a word, to go through hell in manipal. in fact, you don't have to do anything wrong at all. what you do have to do is play their sick, criminal games of bribery and lies, put up with all the abuse and the hate.

For example: they started a program in the mid 90s that was in existence for three years. never accredited for one day during its existence. the students who completed "basic sciences" there were not allowed to take step 1 since you have to go to an accredited school for that.

so what did manipal admin do? they bribed the university of west indies administration into certifying the students of the unaccredited school as having studied basic sciences in the univ of west indies, despite the fact that they never had set foot in uwi for their basic sciences.

and furthermore, when i informed the ecfmg of all this, they simply could not have cared less. i will not say too much more about this since i am registered with the ecfmg and i don't think it's in my best interest to spar with the gatekeeper of the american medical system for foreign students. however, what i have said is the truth and if the day comes where i have to stand up and say it in a court of law under oath, i shall be most happy and proud to do so.

many good points have been made in the discussion here. but it is a somewhat superfluous discussion that ignores the basic fact: manipal is a place where illegality, corruption, bribery, rampant deceit occurs every day and is the rule, not the exception.

the fact that people actually practice medicine with a worthless degree from that dump is just a testimony to the skills of Kaplan and nothing else. the step 1 after all is a test covering a finite body of information. i would imagine the "doctors" from KMC are fairly well rested following several years of their third-rate education where they mainly learned to pay bribes, witness atrocities and keep their mouths shut, and suck up to those in charge no matter what criminals they may be.

personally, i have a goal of shutting that place down one day. although the ecfmg did not listen to me despite my giving them thorough details of the fraud that took place (how hard would it be--simply through checking passports and the like----that students had never set foot on a campus where they supposedly did their basic sciences), perhaps in the future if i can make a worthy and positive contribution to this most noble and honorable of professions, maybe just maybe i can acquire the credibility to help shut down a stinking cesspool of lies, greed, and treachery. although i would like to note that it shouldn't require all that......the job of the ecfmg is to investigate such allegations, which they did not do. i know it's a remarkable organization responsible for importing much talent into the health care of this country, but they dropped the ball on this one and i can reasonably infer they did so in other cases as well. but now with the internet and free speech able to be widely disseminated and examined.....i sincerely believe the longevity of places like manipal and the corrupt family that runs it is very short-lived.

really, i would love for a lawsuit to stem from the words written here and in other posts. it's really high time to pull the curtain on that place and expose it for the genuinely evil place that it is. and whoever happened to get rubber-stamped thru on the basis of bribes and obsequiousness, don't go thinking yourself all high and mighty.....the u.s. med system has flaws, one of which is to allow students from bogus schools to even take the step 1, there should be a modicum of actual medical education from a school that at least attempts to follow the law rather than regularly flouting it.

SillyDoc, have you actually gone to Manipal?

All I see is this crap about illegal activities going on. A program occurred SIXTEEN years ago, that was shut down, for whatever reason. What would you have Manipal do?

Tell every student that was enrolled in the program to go to hell, and then throw them out? They have a moral and ethical responsibility to give students what they pay for. These are students that gave away other possible opportunities, and also paid quite a bit of money.

The world is rarely ever black and white. Things happen that you might not like, so what? Get over it.

You can never shut Manipal down, because contrary to what you believe, most schools, ANYWHERE in the world, are a business. The majority of businesses cover their ***** when they do things.


For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that you are a doctor. Given which case, it would probably be about six or seven years since you've been in Manipal, if you actually attended. Lots of things change in six or seven years. The fact that you've held this grudge for this long is an insult to you, not to Manipal.


Give it up already. For every one student who comes up with the "OMFG MANIPAL SUCKS" slogan, there are 50 more who say its the best place on Earth.

Your post contains so many misconceptions, big and small, that I hardly know where to begin.

First of all, a school bribing another school to illegally certify students as having studied basic sciences in a school they did not set foot in during their basic sciences is not simply good business practice, IT IS A CRIME and a pretty huge one. And it could have been, and still could be, easily verified simply by checking their passports and noting they were nowhere near, not even within a few thousand miles, of the school they supposedly did their basic sciences.

Secondly, the manipal program in question was shut down nine years ago, not sixteen, but thank you for displaying your lack of mastery of second-grade math.

Third, whatever the students paid and lost is their problem for selecting an UNACCREDITED school as their vehicle of choice for a medical education.

Fourth, kindly do not assume anything about me since you know nothing about me. Whether I'm a doctor, how long I was in money-pal, and the rest is a smokescreen you throw up to divert from the real issues. Yes, I was in manipal for virtually the full length of this fraudulent program they ran in the mid 90s, i.e. a few years. But silly me, I had always planned on learning medicine when enrolling in med school, not having half my time taken up by a criminal administration who likes to find the quiet, reticent students and harass them for personal entertainment. So I left there with years of my life and a huge amount of money gone with nothing to show for it and after some PTSD that went on longer than it should (that I concede) I enrolled in a real medical school and am progressing along in the system.

But it doesn't mean that I should now turn a blind eye to all the crimes and wrongdoing I saw in Manipal. On the contrary, in order to bring something good out of that mess, I want to forewarn others of what place, those people, that school, and that "administration" is like. And I am pleased to note that over the years, I have received numerous private messages on this forum from individuals asking for clarification on what I have said, or re-affirming the same, or thanking me for my input and making them aware of the hidden side of Money-pal, the one you don't see until you are actually there and the glossy brochures and slick phone calls and emails have receded to reveal the true nature of the place and the criminals that run it.

If a program ran in the 1990's, and it is now 2007, how many years is that?

You simply CANNOT judge a school based on what you saw in the past. India itself is vastly different from what it once was, and so is the system in place.

If you had gone to Manipal and graduated last year, your posts might have had some value. You quite obviously did not.

Your ONLY real complaint is that they committed a slight amount of fraud with the UWI. Once again, so what? You cannot slap a lawsuit based on that, and the ECFMG won't investigate that claim. Do you know why that is? Its because it was so long ago that it doesn't make a difference to anyone.

What can happen though, if you attempt to bring any of the posts on this board to light, is that Manipal can slam you with a slander and defamation suit. Everything you've been saying is tantamount to libel, since the UWI isn't going to help you prove your claim. The students who were part of that issue aren't. You have NOTHING.