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Old 11-18-2006, 10:21 PM
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My name is rajesh ramaswamy, m.b.b.s. I would like to make a sincere suggestion to those who are prospecting medschool at Manipal. If you can't get into a school here in the USA then better find a different career track. All i can say is Manipal is a fool's paradise which turns into a naightmare of a reality when one goes and joins it. All i can say is my time spent in Manipal was one of major tribulation. It isn't worth the money they charge you. Of all colleges i have seen Manipal is the only place where at least one student dies out of every batch. The social scene there is a joke. People can not be more superficial than those students in KMC. The price of living in Manipal is outrageous. You can't even get hot running water in the apartment flats in Manipal. Simple erands are a chore to perform. The Indian bureaucracy makes official work very impossible to perform. The administration is very unreceptive to students with genuine problems. And sanitation problems predispose every foreigner to bout of hepatitis A. The hostels are the most unhygienic places around and the mess facilities are terribly dirty. Stray animals are allowed to roam freely in the kitchen areas where their feces mingle with the meal prepartions. The mess workers have no sense of disease control and are unhygienic. The hostels lack adequate drainainge making flooding of the lower rooms commonplace during the monsoons. Rats and roaches roam freely in the hostels and rooms which especially are not adequatelyclosed from the elements. The only good lectures are delivered by senior professors who come once ina a while to hold classes. the remainder of classes are taught by uninterested grad students and resident doctors who are more concerned about their professional training. The health care in the college is a joke. The nursing staff is the least bit concerned about the care of patients and frequently are insubordinate to the doctors orders. Many of them demonstrate a total lack of competence. Gossip and fickle mindedness is the order of buisiness there and when professors catch wind of these rumors they exploit the students and extort them for what they can get out of them. Foreigners beware of local students. They are notorious for extorting money from foreign students especially the Americans. They also do their best to undermine the progress of NRI and foreign students from other parts of the world.


lol, this does not surprise me but i've heard pretty much the same from indian students born and raised in the US who go to india. they really get a lot of crap from the rest of the students who think everyone in the United States has money growing in their backyard along with professors who hold that agaisnt them. best advice would be the caribbean.
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Old 11-19-2006, 05:23 PM
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lol, this does not surprise me but i've heard pretty much the same from indian students born and raised in the US who go to india. they really get a lot of crap from the rest of the students who think everyone in the United States has money growing in their backyard along with professors who hold that agaisnt them. best advice would be the caribbean.
Well,well,well!
Dont know much about India, except that China and India are the next Super Powers, according to a recent statement by Justice Scalia, a true patriot, at the Federalist Society of America.
But I do see similarities between US and Indian social differences.

A lot of liberals, with a hoi-polloi, better-than-thou-attitude, come to the REAL America(that is the places populated by hard working Americans who do not depend on their POPs money or WELFARE) and DISS everyone off with their PUNGENCY and their arrogant behaviour.

But when the back lash starts , they call us Rednecks.

Good to know India has RED NECKS too.That's some thing to be proud of.
In the US we call ourselves the TRUE PATRIOTS.Guess INDIAN RED NECKS must be the same.
From the greatest democracy,that is USA, to the biggest working democracy,that is India, SALUTIONS!!!

Say NO to ARROGANT rich Good-for-nothing-RARASITES, who ride the world on their RICH POP's coattails!!
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rajesh is totally right

I also went to Manipal; what was supposed to be a great school in a great place turned out to be a nightmare, unfortunately the Pais will lie to your face in order to get your american dollars, they are extremely greedy people. As for the school their, completely worthless for anyone in their right mind coming from the states. Most americans that go will- play this high school popularity contest game thing and never progress or grow from their, it is really very pathetic. Rajesh you are a nice guy and I am sorry that we both had to endure that hellhole, I hope that you got into residency or some job that you are happy with now, all I can say to the rest is dont go to manipal , take it from someone who was there and witnessed the accounts of murder , suicide and other horrible things that go on behind the scenes in this place. Seriously this place will mess with your mind and you will never be the same and not in a good way.
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did u do the mbbs 5 year program or the twinning?
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:23 PM
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Its Really Sad

its really sad that how some people have real bad time in a place n judge it because of those experiences. well i graduated from manipal n it was the best thing that ever happened to me. i'm a foreigner too n the local students n the locals were extremely nice. not only i learnt about medicine but i learnt so much about life too... i really feel bad that people cant adjust n have bad experience n blame it one the place. i feel it is on of the best place to do medicine especially in india. it ranks one of the top ten medical colleges n the place is really good. the polution level is really the lowest compare to any other part of india n u get to meet all sorts of walks people from different parts of the world. i have lots of americans who did their medicine here n they were all satisfied n extremely happy of their college life here n cannot forget this place.... n about each student dying in every batch... its not true.... i guess the person who wrote this just had real real bad experience in manipal... so he is letting his frustration out thru this forum. i really feel sorry for him...
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My name is rajesh ramaswamy, m.b.b.s. I would like to make a sincere suggestion to those who are prospecting medschool at Manipal. If you can't get into a school here in the USA then better find a different career track. All i can say is Manipal is a fool's paradise which turns into a naightmare of a reality when one goes and joins it. All i can say is my time spent in Manipal was one of major tribulation. It isn't worth the money they charge you. Of all colleges i have seen Manipal is the only place where at least one student dies out of every batch. The social scene there is a joke. People can not be more superficial than those students in KMC. The price of living in Manipal is outrageous. You can't even get hot running water in the apartment flats in Manipal. Simple erands are a chore to perform. The Indian bureaucracy makes official work very impossible to perform. The administration is very unreceptive to students with genuine problems. And sanitation problems predispose every foreigner to bout of hepatitis A. The hostels are the most unhygienic places around and the mess facilities are terribly dirty. Stray animals are allowed to roam freely in the kitchen areas where their feces mingle with the meal prepartions. The mess workers have no sense of disease control and are unhygienic. The hostels lack adequate drainainge making flooding of the lower rooms commonplace during the monsoons. Rats and roaches roam freely in the hostels and rooms which especially are not adequatelyclosed from the elements. The only good lectures are delivered by senior professors who come once ina a while to hold classes. the remainder of classes are taught by uninterested grad students and resident doctors who are more concerned about their professional training. The health care in the college is a joke. The nursing staff is the least bit concerned about the care of patients and frequently are insubordinate to the doctors orders. Many of them demonstrate a total lack of competence. Gossip and fickle mindedness is the order of buisiness there and when professors catch wind of these rumors they exploit the students and extort them for what they can get out of them. Foreigners beware of local students. They are notorious for extorting money from foreign students especially the Americans. They also do their best to undermine the progress of NRI and foreign students from other parts of the world.
I agree....I am so glad i went to the caribbean instead!!!!!!!!!!!
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Most of these "Don't go to Manipal" people simply can't adjust to the way people think in India.

All you really need to realize is that India is not the United States of America. People think and act differently across the world. Its usually called culture-shock.

Teachers naturally have different expectations, and different behaviors. In the U.S, most of these quirks are suppressed. Once you get to India though, that tends to stand out more. As long as you just let them be, instead of lashing out and attempting to stand you, they'll like you just fine.

The local students, no matter where you go in India, suffer from Schadenfreude. It basically means they take pleasure from watching other people suffer. Its not really personal or anything, its just a form of entertainment for a majority of them.

As for the suicides, well, what school in the world doesn't have the occasional disturbed fool, and the occasional overdoser?
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Re: DO NOT GO TO MANIPAL

When I left Manipal, I really wanted to get on with my life (which I did). But furthermore, I wanted to let everyone that I could let know to not repeat the mistakes I made. And the biggest mistake I ever made in my life was going to Manipal.

It is kind of funny that I have come across this thread. When I graduated from Manipal, I came across another website like this. And posted what I knew about Manipal. Considering all of it was the truth and really negative, I was lambasted very badly for talking to negatively about India and Manipal (considering I mainly talked about Manipal). No one wanted to hear about how Indians in India mistreat people of their own kind (nay... their own brothers and sisters)... aka... indians of foreign origin. Most people thought I was a doomsayer and that my experiences were limited to me and me alone... hence my reluctance to post anything until now.

Manipal was the most singular defining part of my life that I will never forget. I learned how cruel and horrible the Indian people could be, especially the people who are supposed to be my teachers and educators. They start off by telling you that you are scum, that you are totally devoid of any culture or knowledge of what it is to truly be an Indian. They say that because we were born and raised in a foreign country, we are a sub-human people, even if our parents are from India.

As time went on, you quickly learn that you are punished if you think, try to understand anything, or even ask a question. The best example would be... when you ask a question about any subject matter. The lecturer/teacher/professor will quickly turn the question back on you. And when you say you do not know the answer, they start verbally assailing you and humiliating you. And in the end, you are still left with the same doubt and feeling totally dejected.

The culture of Manipal is often reminiscent of High School, best typified with the spread of rumors and gossip. From the beginning, everyone forms the cliques. If you are not part of the cool kid group, you often get alienated. And when the professors find out every single detail about you, the will use it against you.

On top of the teachers there in general hating people of foreign origin, it takes very little to be singled out for extreme punishment. All you got to do is be born tall to earn the ire of a short professor. And in your vain hope of justice, when you try to seek it, you are further chastised and punished.

God... I have not even gone into the filth that is pervasive aruond the place. Back in my day, most of my classmates ended up renting a room at the nearest star hotel called Valley View. After I left, I heard AC Hostels had opened up. But the cost was quite extreme. And the curfews to all the hostels quite restrictive.

I could go on and on. Let me just say this... if you are from outside of India, DO NOT GO TO MANIPAL. If you have been there, hopefully therapy and time will help you forget the place.
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Most of these "Don't go to Manipal" people simply can't adjust to the way people think in India.

All you really need to realize is that India is not the United States of America. People think and act differently across the world. Its usually called culture-shock.

Teachers naturally have different expectations, and different behaviors. In the U.S, most of these quirks are suppressed. Once you get to India though, that tends to stand out more. As long as you just let them be, instead of lashing out and attempting to stand you, they'll like you just fine.

The local students, no matter where you go in India, suffer from Schadenfreude. It basically means they take pleasure from watching other people suffer. Its not really personal or anything, its just a form of entertainment for a majority of them.

As for the suicides, well, what school in the world doesn't have the occasional disturbed fool, and the occasional overdoser?
I see here a doomsayer who will discount what every here has said. How can one adapt to a people from the very start who say they not only do not like you, but hate you... and for what... your only sin being that you were born to a better life outside of India? What do you say when they say you are devoid of any culture or knowledge of the culture of India? What are you supposed to say when you are totally humiliated for simply asking your teacher to do what they are supposed to do... teach?
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I'm curious to know, where in the world do you see the poor accepting the rich? Or the rich accepting the poor, for that matter?

The people in India, and people like us come from two different worlds. We grew up in a different culture trying to fit in. They grew up in a culture that stunts their growth from the very beginning. They ended up tougher, and we ended up trying to be white.

The normal students at Manipal have every right to dislike the students who get in on the Quota. They studied day and night to get into that place, and they took out loans that they can't afford to pay off. Us? We just walked in on decent high school grades, and parents with a decent salary. Why shouldn't they dislike us from the start?

The point for us is to prove to them that we're as good as they are, and that we don't want to cause more trouble for them. Fostering a hostile environment doesn't help them, or help us. They'll be a little abrasive the first few days, or months. Just ignore it, and attempt to be nice, and they'll eventually realize that:

1.) We don't give a damn, and we won't give a damn.
2.) Theres no point in continuing it any further.

As for the teachers, they're given extraordinary license in India. Why? That is simply because talented teachers don't exist. Its a basic supply and demand principle. There is a huge demand for GOOD teachers in India, and not enough supply. So the ones that are good, and talented, get to do whatever it is they please. Fighting them won't you anywhere, and failing you won't get them anywhere.

By the way, for all of you people who passed out of the University, stop posting this nonsense. All you're doing is fostering a preconceived notion that Manipal is a hateful place, and thats what any NRI going in has to expect. Now, every new NRI is going in LOOKING for hostile behavior, and when they see it, they overreact.

Let me tell you a story. A man went to a psychiatrist about a dream he had. He wanted to kill his wife for leaving him. He described it very vividly for the doctor, and the doctor was obviously disturbed by it. He made a video, and then showed it to the man's wife. The wife, being a normally dramatic person, immediately went to the police for protection and a restraining order. The man was devastated. His business was falling, because everyone believed him to be unstable. So, he went to his wife's house, to get her to recant the statement, and stop the whole issue. His wife, being on alert, decided not to listen to him, went hysterical, and shot the man in the head.

All of that occurred because one psychiatrist couldn't keep his mouth shut. Now, I realize that some of you might have had deeply damaging effects from Manipal, but get over it already. You're successful practicing doctors already, or are in residency in good places. There's no need for you to keep harboring a grudge anymore. Its not helping you, or anyone else. Get over it.
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