Thread: Zhejiang University MBBS 2011

Originally Posted by bidiboom

What is this? : MBBS in English (Bachelor's Degree) | In Hangzhou ? Zhejiang University(zju) - CUCAS

China is pretty aggressively exporting medical education as a "product". They are also exporting trained medical personnel-and appear to be a price leader in some areas(India is another participant in that market).

I'm not an expert in this area. I've heard of that some countries are making deals where China provides a turnkey national health care system in return for natural resources. In some cases, that means that Chinese businesses provide pre-fab buildings, personnel to install the buildings and personnel to work in the buildings. Chinese businesses have also announced plans for providing high speed rail infrastructure-basically extending the Chinese high speed rail network in other parts of Asia-but I've heard that was stalled because of some quality problems with the Chinese rail network. One other piece of this:for a lot of areas of stuff like communications infrastructure, literally the _only_ choice a country has is the EU/US/Japan/Taiwan/Korea or China. The US NSA has back doors into also phone systems sold from the US(Saddam Hussein ran into that BTW during the first gulf war) and its allies-and the only viable alternative is China-essentially when a country picks what phone system to buy they are making a major political decision.

Anyhow, this program has some pretty political overtones. China has historically been pretty politically neutral compared to the west. I've heard of substantial issues about the vertical integration present in Chinese medical and infrastruture programs. A lot of people in a lot of countries want primary care providers that are locals-and they want locals trained for whatever jobs locals can do-so China is meeting customer demand. English is the language of delivery because a lot of customers are former British Empire colonies or in Latin America under the US Sphere of historic influence. When I researched this: Chinese language was important for completing clinicals-but some folks were going back to their home countries for clinical training.

MBBS is historically the _british_ medical degree-6 six year program typically entered after high school. It is a slightly shorter than the US approach-and meets customer expectations in many areas. MD in the British empire was an advanced degree(kind of like an MD/PhD.)-and I always got the impression those folks considered US MD's as a bit pretentious.

The Chinese programs are generally fairly new. They typically have more limited track record placing grads in the west. I think they typically have competent instruction. Some participating institutions like Fudan have internationally ranked research faculties-but I'm not sure how much contact with those folks you'd get. I've seen no formal relationships providing US clinical experience. I think there is a lot of intent to make these programs really good. I think as it stands right now, the Philippines is a better deal for those that are American or wanting to practice in the US-but I'm open to suggestion on this. I expect there are some really good elective clincal rotations in China--but you'd need to look for them. The use of stem cells is advancing rapidly in Asia-but it is all pretty chaotic and experimental. I looked into this for a friend that is going blind There is a stem cell treatment in China for treating certain kinds of blindness-but it isn't clear what the success rate is-and the science behind it is still being worked out. It is clear though they do have some succeses. I've heard of stem cell injections being used for stuff like treating kidney disease in Asia-but with some strange side effects. At the same time, stuff like Stem cell facelifts and breast restoration surgeries are being done in the US-and the results appear really good. I expect it is much easier to get training in those areas in Asia than the US-but getting acceptence of your training by US docs might be really hard.

I see what is happening in China as part of the globalization of medicine. A lot of stuff just hasn't been available in many parts of the world. Some countries are holding back on REALLY basic public health measures that would be broadly effective(stuff like putting iron and iodine in the food). Communism has gotten a bad rep in recent decades in key areas, but China and Cuba have a lot better medical infrastructure than a lot of countries at similiar wealth level-and they are going to play that card very hard the next few years while they revamp/modernize their approach. There is a lot of political will here.

Originally Posted by dhiveng

Hi

I am here to answer all questions regarding Zhejiang University School of Medicine.

MBBS program - 5.5. years (including 1 year internship)

Fees - 34 000 per year with an agent 38 000 per year without an agent
Hostel - 12 000 per year/single room 6 000 per year/sharing
Visa - 400

Expenses per month - around 1500

* all prices in RMB

So if you have any questions , please feel free to ask.

I want to ask you a question about the letter of acceptance and the results from Zhejiang University MBBS. When will the university give out the results of acceptance if i applied in November 2011? Please reply if you know.

Hi guys,

Can someone tell me the quality of the MBBS program in English in Zhejiang and its facilities in depth. Also, is there a chance to transfer universities within china to zhejiang??... i'm currently studying the MBBS at Wuhan university in the 2011 batch and the quality of the Medicine program in English is not what i expected. Is there a way for me to transfer from wuhan to zhejiang?... Any information regarding this issue would be much appreciated...

Hi guys,

I was wondering if anybody knows whether any of last years batch of graduates have managed to successfully come back to the UK to begin their careers as doctors? From what I've read it sounds like they were the first group to graduate from the English MBBS course so they might be doing PLAB if they went to the UK?

I'd love to study medicine abroad, and ZJU seems like an awesome place to do it from what I've researched so far. However it would be even better knowing that its actually possible to return to the UK to practice after graduating.

I'd really appreciate if anybody can give me some info (or assurance lol) about this.

Many thanks

I have a question mark about it too; the final graduation exam is in Chinese, to my knowledge, and it means you cant be superficial in Chinese. You cant learn only as much as you can communicate with the patients. And Chinese doesnt have an alphabet, it is a pictures language, and even the ones seriously study Chinese here in Turkey say, they may not be able to recognize every figure and not able to "read" all of the papers of a newspaper written in Chinese.

To take the national graduation exam in this language is risky for me

It is also rather difficult to learn medicine in one language and then attempt to pass licensing exams in another. I know
a woman that went to medical school in Cuba which was taught in Spanish-and she had a rather difficult time passing the USMLE.

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Originally Posted by dhiveng

Hi

I am here to answer all questions regarding Zhejiang University School of Medicine.

MBBS program - 5.5. years (including 1 year internship)

Fees - 34 000 per year with an agent 38 000 per year without an agent
Hostel - 12 000 per year/single room 6 000 per year/sharing
Visa - 400

Expenses per month - around 1500

* all prices in RMB

So if you have any questions , please feel free to ask.

Hi, I want to know when the results from Zhejiang University School of Medicine will be announced because I am eager to know after I've applied in November 2011.

thanks

Originally Posted by LondonLad

Hi guys,

I was wondering if anybody knows whether any of last years batch of graduates have managed to successfully come back to the UK to begin their careers as doctors? From what I've read it sounds like they were the first group to graduate from the English MBBS course so they might be doing PLAB if they went to the UK?

I'd love to study medicine abroad, and ZJU seems like an awesome place to do it from what I've researched so far. However it would be even better knowing that its actually possible to return to the UK to practice after graduating.

I'd really appreciate if anybody can give me some info (or assurance lol) about this.

Many thanks

rather than trying to get just anecdotal responses off a forum such as this, why not contact the GMC | Home in England or at least search the website and you might find the information you seek...

Originally Posted by awesomepossum

Hi guys,

Can someone tell me the quality of the MBBS program in English in Zhejiang and its facilities in depth. Also, is there a chance to transfer universities within china to zhejiang??... i'm currently studying the MBBS at Wuhan university in the 2011 batch and the quality of the Medicine program in English is not what i expected. Is there a way for me to transfer from wuhan to zhejiang?... Any information regarding this issue would be much appreciated...

Search some of the forum here and you will find a few ZJU threads... I'd think that ZJU medicine program will be similar to what you have experienced at Wuhan... some elements might be an improvement but other aspects may very well be less so. As for transfer, it is almost impossible to do so... and this is common with many medical schools both in China and abroad as different schools have slightly different timetable/programs/content etc. Meaning you may or may-not cover a subject in one school before or after another school... etc. If you want to transfer you will need to go through application as a new student, and start from the beginning. This information you can find on CUCAS.