Electives

[Bedazzled]

It says on the SMU website that a list of hospitals allowing students to rotate through electives or selectives ("visiting senior electives") is provided at clinical orientation in the handbook. I was just wondering if someone could verify this and if so, would someone mind posting the list of hospitals?

[Junito]

It says on the SMU website that a list of hospitals allowing students to rotate through electives or selectives ("visiting senior electives") is provided at clinical orientation in the handbook. I was just wondering if someone could verify this and if so, would someone mind posting the list of hospitals?

There is no list for Selectives/Electives for you have to set them up yourself. You can do some at SMU affiliated hospitals, but that is up to you. I listed a few electives that can be done at Wyckoff, and Synergy. Will try to get a more detailed list.

[Junito]

Just thought I introduce some of the stuff I found out:

1- Central Maine Medical Center is a IMG-friendly hospital. They will allow SMU students to do the family core there (if the clinical dept at SMU approves it).

2- There is another hospital affiliated with Dartmouth, I believe it is in Augusta, Maine...They require that you have started rotations though. They offer a FP rotation & Geriatric elective also. All of the above are green. Will not post any "blue" (non-ACGME approved sites).

3- This does not apply to SMU (the clinical site itself in Orlando & Kissimmee requires a passing Step 1 score), but maybe for other students who are looking for rotations and are trying to "think outside the box"...

First, I researched the Florida State laws on clinical rotations:

http://www.firn.edu/doe/cie/pdf/chapter6E_rules0905.pdf

(g) The application for licensure shall document that all students participating in core clerkship programs meet the following standards;
1. Completed at least three (3) years of undergraduate education at a college or university.
2. Completed a basic science program totaling at least four (4) semesters in length. This program shall include, but is not necessarily limited to, rigorous instruction in the major disciplines of the biological sciences (i.e., anatomy, biochemistry, pharmacology, physiology, pathology, and microbiology), the behavioral sciences, and an introduction to clinical diagnosis. Adequate laboratory facilities for this instruction must be provided.
3. Obtained a passing score on Step I of the United States Medical Licensing Examination within 12 weeks of commencing their third year of medical education.

[Banker794]

Juni- does the SMU clinical dept know about Central Maine Medical center? SMU certainly needs some more Green core sites. To have it near the school is certainly a big plus.

Please tell P.A (Clinical development coordinator) about your findings as it may be very valuable information to them.

[lacarthic]

can you have green elective rotations? or is it just green cores?

[AUCMD2006]

can you have green elective rotations? or is it just green cores?

a few states require both cores and electives "green" you must check with the states you want

[swimguy23]

a few states require both cores and electives "green" you must check with the states you want

i dont think any state requires all green rotations.....i know pennsylvania requires at leas 72 weeks of green

[teratos]

i dont think any state requires all green rotations.....i know pennsylvania requires at leas 72 weeks of greenrotations typically last about......72 weeks. G

[microphage]

rotations typically last about......72 weeks. G

At AUC they do.... Ross has a bit more as does SGU

[Junito]

Juni- does the SMU clinical dept know about Central Maine Medical center? SMU certainly needs some more Green core sites. To have it near the school is certainly a big plus.

Please tell P.A (Clinical development coordinator) about your findings as it may be very valuable information to them.

Yup. They are very helpful and nice people. I actually am in Florida, and paid them a visit. It was nice putting a face to who you correspond to over email...They all knew who Juni711 was...:twisted: But I must say they took the time to talk to me and broke the whole rotations stuff down to me.

[Banker794]

Yup. They are very helpful and nice people. I actually am in Florida, and paid them a visit. It was nice putting a face to who you correspond to over email...They all knew who Juni711 was...:twisted: But I must say they took the time to talk to me and broke the whole rotations stuff down to me.

Did you learn anything new or interesting? Did they mention whether they were pursuing anymore hospitals on the east coast (NY, NJ, CT, Maine)?

[camden]

I"m slightly confused about the electives. I was told by SMU that we are on our own for finding the electives. Yet, it seems like we must have them approved by SMU. How exactly does this work ?

[Junito]

I"m slightly confused about the electives. I was told by SMU that we are on our own for finding the electives. Yet, it seems like we must have them approved by SMU. How exactly does this work ?

Correct...You arrange your own elective rotations, but they must be approved by the clinical dean.

[AUCMD2006]

i dont think any state requires all green rotations.....i know pennsylvania requires at leas 72 weeks of green

texas requires all green rotations but they dropped the neuro requirement. at leats thats how it was last year when i emailed them

[camden]

Does approved by the clinical dean mean that he deems it acceptable or that the clinical spot you would like to do your elective in must also be willing to accept other SMU students?
sorry, I should have clarified-

[Junito]

Does approved by the clinical dean mean that he deems it acceptable or that the clinical spot you would like to do your elective in must also be willing to accept other SMU students?
sorry, I should have clarified-

Post your question on the official SMU forum, under the clinical subforum. Ms. K would be able to give you a more definitive answer.

http://smucayman.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=0d609be79a4c9a4bc96675fdffdb2110

Once you get a response, let us know.

[jazzcat]

I would like to know how a student sets up elective clinicals? Does the school help or do you everything on your own?

[IMG2006]

It depends on where you are... To be honest, the 3rd and 4th years are fairly detached from the school. You continue to submit daily clinical logs, which are a big waste of time, and to take sehlf exams, but by and large the 4th year is all up to you or some agency which you hire.

[SMU-Info]

The clinical department assigns you your thrid year rotations based on your preferences. You set up your fourth year rotations.

[Banker794]

You make 3 requests in descending order and the clinical dept tries to accomodate your request.

[Junito]

Just FYI, there are elective rotations one can take through the NYC Dept of health or through the CDC for preventive medicine. Thought people might find this interesting.

[Junito]

Let it be known that a Neuro is a required elective/selective (whatever you want to call it) for SMU. I don't know why...Since it was most likely came to be school policy due to Texas. Now Texas has dropped it and the school still requires it. Anyone has any suggestions as to where it can be done? I heard it was a difficult elective to get.

[acetre]

Let it be known that a Neuro is a required elective for SMU. I don't know why...Since it was most likely came to be school policy due to Texas. Now Texas has dropped it and the school still requires it. Anyone has any suggestions as to where it can be done? I heard it was a difficult elective to get.
they need to drop this requirement all together. People weren't even that interested in neuroscience when we had it in basic sciences, and they are going to still try to make people do an elective rotation in neuro!!!! That's ridiculous.

I, and I'm sure many others would not like the idea of doing a 4 week elective rotation in a place where only a few people if any will ever want to practice. I'd rather take those 4 weeks to audition for a residency spot in a specialty I actually respect than to deal with neuro (something I could care less about).

It's just my opinion.....


acetre

[ob4life]

Is Maternal/Fetal medicine or Gynecologic Oncology an option for selectives or electives? If not, what should someone interested in Ob/Gyn choose for selectives or electives?

[mdMDmd]

does anyone know if there is a consulting group (sort of like GMC in atlanta) that will set up 4th year electives for us specifically in NYC?

thanks

[Junito]

If anyone finds one, please let me know...Try all the sites that the Carib schools have as clinicals sites. These may be more receptive.

[spyyder]

how many weeks of electives do you have to take?

[mdMDmd]

30, i think . . . but to make sure you can check in the handbook

[EM-Doc]

Has anyone done a surgery elective or sub-i in NY? If so where?

[mdMDmd]

what does sub i mean? and do you mean core in surgery or an elective in a subsurgical specialty?

[anomorato]

What do you guys know about Saginaw MI rotations. ANy of you guys doing clinicals there or have done clinicals there?

[EM-Doc]

Has anyone done a surgical ELECTIVE or a surgery sub-internship in NY (not core)? If so where?

[AmericanIMG]

you have to make your own electives by arranging them prior to 4th year. if you want to do a surg elective then apply for one, or if you want to do electives in one area, just apply. typically you can only do 1-3 at any one site. hope this helps.

[EM-Doc]

I guess no one understood my post after posting the same thing twice. It seemed pretty clear to me....How about this: For all those who haven't done a surgery elective in NY, do not reply. Just let those who want to share their experiences from a surgery elective in NY reply. And for those that post replys without reading the original statement: I understand the process by which electives are acquired considering that i graduate in December.

[Kronos]

This thread wasn't posted just so we could answer your questions about doing a surg elective. The OP asked about electives and hospitals in general. Chill out.

[EM-Doc]

It is apparent that alot of people here make comments just to feel as if SOMEWHERE their opinion actually matters. Last time I checked a thread entitiled "electives" was created to discuss electives. How about you chill out.

[AmericanIMG]

anyone have any ideas where they want to do electives/what field?

[Banker794]

Electives should be done in a field that a student is interested in pursuing later on or feels they are weak in. Personally I am excited to do nephrology and HEENT elective.

[mdMDmd]

where are you doing an HEENT elective?

[Junito]

anyone have any ideas where they want to do electives/what field?

I applied to over 12 different programs for electives. From PMR to Medical Toxicology. One of the exciting ones I was approved for was a medical toxicology elective at the Univ of Texas. I had to turn that one down because the timing cut into two of my other electives (which I really wanted). Approved for Neurology & GI at Maimonides. Was also approved for a medical toxicology elective at NYU (only problem is that there is hardly any patient contact). Don't let anyone scare you into thinking that a specific site is FMG unfriendly. Just give it a try and hope for the best.

For Wyckoff:
Preventive Medicine is ACGME (through Mt. Sinai)
Cardiology is LCME (through Cornell, not sure if this is ok for FMGs)

For St. Barnabas:
Peds EM is ACGME (that is if they allow you to do this elective)

For St. John's Episcopal:
PMR is ACGME (but the PMR dept is very FMG unfriendly)

Maimonides:
Neurology
Cardiology
Geriatrics
Gastroenterology
Infectious Disease
are all ACGME

I had a chance to do a nephro elective at the Brooklyn VA, but that is not what I really wanted. I happened to meet the dept chair when I was there and he was willing to help me obtain electives at the VA.

[Junito]

where are you doing an HEENT elective?

Most likely at Wyckoff...It isn't too hard to get electives there if you apply in time. The only problem would lie for those that want to do all their electives at ACGME approved sites (for licensure in Penn). One of the most common questions asked by the programs that I applied to (outside of Wyckoff) is: "Have you completed or will complete all your core rotations before starting the clinical elective?" The school (SMU) had to even verfiy my application (with the school stamp) that I would be done with my cores before starting my rotations.

Doing electives at Wyckoff and some other SMU affiliated institutions are helpful since you are not required to have finished all your cores to start. I'm not sure Maimonides requires you to have all your cores. In the meantime apply EARLY. I applied 12 months in advance for electives at Orlando Regional and they are all full (so they say). Some programs have specific guidelines for when you can apply (Harvard & a few others don't allow you to send in applications up to 6 months prior to starting a rotation).

[Amyloidosis]

Hey guys,

I have a question regarding the electives. I know we have to do Green Book core rotations to be licensed in most states. Is it the same case with electives or the electives don’t matter whether they are green book or not? I am planning on going into IM right now and the hospital I am doing my IM right now they offer Green Book IM core rotation but their Sub-I electives like Cardiology, GI, Nephrology etc. are not green book….so if I do my electives there…is it going to be okay?? I plan on practicing in NY/NJ area and I checked the medical boards….but didn’t find anything regarding the electives being green book or not to be licensed in NY/NJ area. If anyone can answer this question or direct me to the specific website would be a great help. Thank you.

Junito, can you help? Thanks.

[Junito]

Should not be a problem for NY/NJ. Only state I know with requiring electives to be ACGME affiliated was PA.

[Amyloidosis]

Thanks Juni!! I appreciate it!

[docshock]

Should not be a problem for NY/NJ. Only state I know with requiring electives to be ACGME affiliated was PA.

How about FL? Do any cores have to be done at ACGME? As I read on DOH website:

"International graduates should check to be sure they have a valid standard ECFMG certification at the time of application and 2 years of ACGME postgraduate training or fellowship training on the basis of a 5th pathway program with an ECFMG results letter. "

Can Someone clarify this for me?
Does this say only your residency (2 years post grad training or fellowship)must be done at ACGME?
How about electives? They do not have to be ACGME either?
Any help/clarification is appreciated...

[Junito]

How about FL? Do any cores have to be done at ACGME? As I read on DOH website:

"International graduates should check to be sure they have a valid standard ECFMG certification at the time of application and 2 years of ACGME postgraduate training or fellowship training on the basis of a 5th pathway program with an ECFMG results letter. "

Can Someone clarify this for me?
Does this say only your residency (2 years post grad training or fellowship)must be done at ACGME?
How about electives? They do not have to be ACGME either?
Any help/clarification is appreciated...

If the information I received is correct, Florida is now requiring that all cores be ACGME affiliated. The above quote is for licensure, and you meet this requirement when you finish your residency (postgraduate training). The list that Dr. G presented during the clinical seminar during my fourth semester is listed on the ACGME sticky. It lists Florida as requiring cores to be ACGME.

[cubmd]

If the information I received is correct, Florida is now requiring that all cores be ACGME affiliated. The above quote is for licensure, and you meet this requirement when you finish your residency (postgraduate training). The list that Dr. G presented during the clinical seminar during my fourth semester is listed on the ACGME sticky. It lists Florida as requiring cores to be ACGME.

Even if you don't do green cores you can still get a license in FL. Florida it is not requiring all the cores rotations green anymore……you can still get a license by doing the letter d)

64B8-4.018 International Medical Graduates; Qualification Requirements.
(1) Before any graduate of a medical school not accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education, except a graduate of an accredited school in Canada, is admitted to take the written licensure examination or be licensed by endorsement, he or she must demonstrate that the core clerkships received in the United States as a part of the curriculum of the medical school was obtained either in a hospital affiliated with a medical school accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education and the affiliation includes the provision of core clerkship training for that medical school in the relevant subject area or in a hospital which had, at the time the clerkship training was obtained, a residency program accredited by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education in the specialty area in which the clinical training was being obtained.
(2) For purposes of this rule, the term “core clerkships” means core rotations in medicine, surgery, obstetrics-gynecology, and pediatrics. Each clerkship must be equivalent in duration and substance to the core clerkships offered by the medical school to its regular students.
(3) An applicant to whom the provisions of subsection (1) would otherwise be applicable may be admitted to take the written licensure examination or be licensed by endorsement if he or she demonstrates one of the following:
(a) That, after receipt of the medical degree, he or she obtained core clerkship training in the United States in the specific areas of core rotations which had not met the requirements of subsection (1), which training was obtained either in a hospital affiliated with a medical school accredited by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education and the affiliation included the provision of core clerkship training for that medical school in the relevant subject specialty area or in a hospital which had, at the time the clerkship training was obtained, a residency program accredited by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education in the specialty area in which the clinical training was being obtained.
(b) That, after receipt of the medical degree, he or she returned to the school which granted the medical degree and obtained core clerkship training in the country in which the school is physically located and in the specific subject area or areas of core rotation or rotations which had not met the requirements of subsection (1), which training would have been acceptable to the Board if it had been included as a integral part of the undergraduate medical education.
(c) That the applicant has successfully completed one year of approved residency training in the exact subject area or areas for which the core clerkship or clerkships had not met the requirements of subsection (1). For purposes of this provision, the one year of residency training relied upon for eligibility herein shall be completed in addition to the internship required by Section 458.311(1)(f)3.c., F.S.
(d) That the applicant has successfully completed three progressive years of approved residency training, (PGY I, II, and III) in one specialty area.

[Junito]

Okay, you can get licensed in Florida after 3 years of residency. Now what were to happen if some of your core clinical rotations were blue and you were accepted into residency at a hospital in Florida? Aren't you required to meet the criteria for licensing prior to starting a residency there? I'm not too sure myself but I remember this issue being brought up at the clinical seminar during my 5th semester.

[AUCMD2006]

Should not be a problem for NY/NJ. Only state I know with requiring electives to be ACGME affiliated was PA.

i think texas is another one that wants all green rotations. also foe pen, they supposedly have a different way of counting your clinical weeks, someone said they round down so you may end up having to do some extra rotations if you don't plan them out carefully

[Jeep23Guy]

Anyone ever done any rotations at St. Vincent's in Mass? I only saw 1 site evaluation online.

[Junito]

Not sure about St. Vincent's, but if you do a rotation in Mass you have to fill out the CORI (sp?) form, which is a criminal background check. Best advise is to contact the hospital or the preceptor (if it was listed). Not all rotations done in Mass are listed on SMUonline, since I did not see the hospital that I did my research elective listed.

[MedChe]

i thought you cancelled that research elective:twisted:

[Junito]

Come on man, you know that would have been crazy for me to let go. I actually extended the rotation by a week, and will return in the fall ;)

[azulpanther]

Hey guys this is a small step in what could be a very good positive change for us students. It wouldnt hurt to see where this could take us. Without student support nothing will happen.

Reading all the posts here for the last couple days there has been a lot of talking and not alot of doing. I decided to do something even though right now its really insignificant. Only with student unity can something really be done about all of the extra fees brought upon up during our 4th yr.


Please send this petition to your fellow classmates. When it gets a signficantly amount of signatures it will be sent to whom it is most appropiate to be sent.


Good luck on exams and lets see where this petition could take us.


Financial Burden of Fouth Year Students of St. Matthews University School of Medicine Petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/smu4th/petition.html)

[Banker794]

Currently doing 3 electives at Mt. Sinai New York (100th and Madison) the teaching and the structure here is excellent. For those interested I would recommned you apply 6 months in advance. The spots are very difficult to get a hold of because of the number of applicants.

The rotation sizes are also very small (i.e on my cardio rotation there were just 4 students). If your looking to work (but learn) I highly recommend looking for electives in this hospital.

[Banker794]

Doing Heme/Onc at Mt. Sinai the fellows and attendings are very laid back. You have 2 lectures a day and you can either do consults with fellows or work in the lab. A great experience thus far...

Hours: 9pm- 6pm (with lots of breaks)

[facemask]

Maimonides Medical Center - brooklyn, ny
anyone here done electives at maimonides? wondering which electives you recommend, what the hours were like, and how much it costs per month/per week. also interested and wondering how good nephrology is at maimonides. any input is appreciated :)

[got milk?]

hot damn.

acgme electives are hard to come by in NY.

SGU has many of them locked down.
Many places have st matthews on the damned-list.


The only other places to consider are other big cities........ and florida maybe :evil:

[UFTim]

hot damn.

acgme electives are hard to come by in NY.

SGU has many of them locked down.
Many places have st matthews on the damned-list.


The only other places to consider are other big cities........ and florida maybe :evil:

Students have done them all over NYC: Lenox Hill, Maimonides (heck I even got accepted for two there even though I didn't want to go), and Mt. Sinai off the top of my head. Have you tried these places and are you applying enough in advance?

[smu79]

Students have done them all over NYC: Lenox Hill, Maimonides (heck I even got accepted for two there even though I didn't want to go), and Mt. Sinai off the top of my head. Have you tried these places and are you applying enough in advance?

you can also try jewish hospital and those in upstate ny york....i was accepted at jewish hospital at long island and at albany u. would love to gone to albany but just couldnt.

[got milk?]

Students have done them all over NYC: Lenox Hill, Maimonides (heck I even got accepted for two there even though I didn't want to go), and Mt. Sinai off the top of my head. Have you tried these places and are you applying enough in advance?



yes. i know about lenox. they haven't responded. I"ll have to call again.

I've already done one at maimo.

Mt sinai has a ridiculous $300 application fee, and a tedious application process. I'm afraid they'll just take my $300 and give me nothing

[smu79]

Mt sinai has a ridiculous $300 application fee, and a tedious application process. I'm afraid they'll just take my $300 and give me nothing

actually, the application for mt. sanai is only $75. they have a special agreement with smu. however, if you are applying to mt. sanai now the fall semester, i beleive is probably to late...you need to send the application at least 6 months in advance.

i have a buddy who did 8 weeks there and he totally loved it.

[got milk?]

actually, the application for mt. sanai is only $75. they have a special agreement with smu. however, if you are applying to mt. sanai now the fall semester, i beleive is probably to late...you need to send the application at least 6 months in advance.

i have a buddy who did 8 weeks there and he totally loved it.



I just need something for jan 2009 till graduation. I have plenty of time for electives. I only have 20 weeks of electives left to go.


sinai also requires transcripts and some forms to fill out by the smu administration and other junk. by far one of the most tedious app processes

[smu79]

I just need something for jan 2009 till graduation. I have plenty of time for electives. I only have 20 weeks of electives left to go.


sinai also requires transcripts and some forms to fill out by the smu administration and other junk. by far one of the most tedious app processes

all of the electives that i will rotate required smu to send trancripts, and personal statements from core faculty. some even required a faculty sponsor. it is my experience that those electives that had online applications were crappy. for example, although cleveland clinic had an online application, it still required the school to send an army of docs....jewish accepts online appls. and i hear are decent though. try them (they still require you to submit stuff from our school).

just get the school to get the stuff in for you...it takes no time as they are really quick to submit these things.

[gschneid]

hey 79, not everyone has your credentials to work with, so it might be more difficult for them

[smu79]

hey 79, not everyone has your credentials to work with, so it might be more difficult for them

all they could do is try...i got shut down from a couple programs, but i would have not known if i didnt try..yes it is tidious work, but worth a try.

[got milk?]

all they could do is try...i got shut down from a couple programs, but i would have not known if i didnt try..yes it is tidious work, but worth a try.


you must be doing most of your electives outside of ny.

the availability of electives vs the # of hospitals here is disproportionate.

and NY is the hospital capital of the US too probably.

[LqdPls]

sinai also requires transcripts and some forms to fill out by the smu administration and other junk. by far one of the most tedious app processes

All you need to send is the 2 page application, medical form, transcript request form, and an updated CV. Let your clinical coordinator know that you're planning to apply, and then send in the documents, they take care of the rest. This should take about 2 hours tops.

BTW, do not send the application to Mt. Sinai. Send it to SMU, then they take care of the rest.

[smu79]

you must be doing most of your electives outside of ny.

the availability of electives vs the # of hospitals here is disproportionate.

and NY is the hospital capital of the US too probably.

Hey Milk-
I understand that hospitals are full. However, that’s why you need to apply way in advance. Although my electives are outside of NY, when I was in NY I did apply for electives there, and I was accepted. Places I was accepted, but not attended: are Wyckoff, mt. sanai, Albany U, Long Island Jewish, and Maimonides. Remember that you can only 3 electiveness (12 weeks) outside of those that are affiliated with SMU

[LqdPls]

....that’s why you need to apply way in advance. Although my electives are outside of NY, when I was in NY I did apply for electives there, and I was accepted. Places I was accepted, but not attended: are Wyckoff, mt. sanai, Albany U, Long Island Jewish, and Maimonides. Remember that you can only 3 electiveness (12 weeks) outside of those that are affiliated with SMU

Maimonides does not accept any applications more than 3 months in advance, and Mt. Sinai application season for 2008-2009 started after May 17th. Furthermore, if you're applying to a non-affiliate hospital, contrary to what one might expect, your application is not processed on a first come, first serve basis. Therefore, when you apply to places like LIJ or Maimonides, considering that the intial online application includes nothing more than your name, address, and the electives you want, the selection process is based purely on luck.

The best way to apply for these electives is to make direct contact, if at all possible. Call the administrative office, visit the hospital, etc.

[rynobuddy]

I agree with above poster that making direct contact, preferably in person, is best to secure some of these electives. Although I understand this is not always feasible especially when we are all over the country with our cores and such.

[jjanik]

My question is do most SMU students stay at one place for the two years of clinical rotation? I am interested in a residency for ER medicine. What hospitals of clinicals also offer the residency for ER? Thanks,

[gschneid]

Not all sites offer all the core rotations. Also, scheduling conflicts usually won't allow u to do them at the same site without waiting a period of time. Electives you are on your own. It also depends on your preference for "green" electives.

[AmericanIMG]

My question is do most SMU students stay at one place for the two years of clinical rotation? I am interested in a residency for ER medicine. What hospitals of clinicals also offer the residency for ER? Thanks,

you have to remember that clinical sites change ALL THE TIME. the sites that were available and utilized when i started 3rd year were different then those used when i was a first year, and different then those that are being used now (i am just finishing up).

if you want to do ER just work hard and get a good step1. you won't have a prob getting an ER residency if you score a 220 or so.

any other questions feel free to PM me

[jackets5]

what is the deal with only 12 weeks of electives at SMU non-affiliated hospitals. i thought i could do my electives at any hospital i wanted as long as they accept me. Say i want to my electives at Mt sinai, U of miami, Hopkins, Cleveland clinic etc. can i? or do i have to do electives at the same hospitals that SMU has core spots at?

[AmericanIMG]

what is the deal with only 12 weeks of electives at SMU non-affiliated hospitals. i thought i could do my electives at any hospital i wanted as long as they accept me. Say i want to my electives at Mt sinai, U of miami, Hopkins, Cleveland clinic etc. can i? or do i have to do electives at the same hospitals that SMU has core spots at?

never heard of that rule. recheck your sources

[LqdPls]

what is the deal with only 12 weeks of electives at SMU non-affiliated hospitals. i thought i could do my electives at any hospital i wanted as long as they accept me. Say i want to my electives at Mt sinai, U of miami, Hopkins, Cleveland clinic etc. can i? or do i have to do electives at the same hospitals that SMU has core spots at?

I only heard that rule as it applies to licensure in the state of NY. As per policy, I think, you are not allowed to do more than 12 weeks of electives in NY in any hospital that is not affiliated with SMU.

[gschneid]

Correct, the school doesn't give a poop where you do electives, as long as you pay your tuition. It's the state of NY that doesn't let you do more than 12 weeks in non-school affiliated hospitals. Of course you could, but they wouldn't license you.

[smu79]

so to awnser your question...you could do as many electives as you want at unaffiliated hospitals, just not in NY. you could only do 12 weeks in non-smu hospital in ny...just schedule your electives out of ny and you will be fine

[UFTim]

what is the deal with only 12 weeks of electives at SMU non-affiliated hospitals. i thought i could do my electives at any hospital i wanted as long as they accept me. Say i want to my electives at Mt sinai, U of miami, Hopkins, Cleveland clinic etc. can i? or do i have to do electives at the same hospitals that SMU has core spots at?

Knock yourself out. Half those places won't accept you because you're an off shore. Others will let you rotate if you cough up some serious $$$. You can go to Harvard...

[Junito]

Knock yourself out. Half those places won't accept you because you're an off shore. Others will let you rotate if you cough up some serious $$$. You can go to Harvard...

Harvard doesn't take "Island" students. That's the term they use...that didn't stop me from doing a rotation there.

[dangrr]

Junito,
While completing basic, I for one eagerly looked forward to reading your postings. They were always the most informative. As I enter my final year of clinicals, I want to say......

Thank you!

What type of residency are you in and are you doing it in New York?

[Junito]

Junito,
While completing basic, I for one eagerly looked forward to reading your postings. They were always the most informative. As I enter my final year of clinicals, I want to say......

Thank you!

What type of residency are you in and are you doing it in New York?

I'm doing a FM residency in NYC. Thank you for the kind words. I really enjoyed helping people out.

[facemask]

congrats dr junito! good luck with fm residency