Wyckoff Heights Medical Center (NYC)

[Junito]

Residency: Family Practice, Internal Medicine

Clinical Rotations:

Surgery (Participating hospital for St. John's Queens Hospital Surg Residency Program)

Internal Medicine

Pediatrics (Participating hospital for Brooklyn Hospital Peds Residency Program)

OB/GYN (Participating hospital for St. John's Queens Hospital OB/GYN Residency program)

Family Practice

Website: Wyckoff Heights Medical Center (http://www.wyckoffhospital.org/)

Train Stop in NYC: Dekalb avenue on the "L" line.


Available Electives at Wyckoff: Medical Student Clerkships (http://www.wyckoffhospital.org/body.cfm?id=159)

MEDICINE
–AMB MED (2/4)
–CARDIOLOGY (2/4)
–ENDOCRIN (2/4)
–GERIATRICS (2/4)
–HEM/ONC (2/4)
–GI (2/4)
–ID (3/4)
–NEPHROLOGY (4)
–PULMONARY ICU (4)
–SUB-INTERNSHIP (4)
–PHYSICAL MED AND REHAB

OB/GYN
–SUB-INTERNSHIP (4)
–GYN SURGERY (2/4)
–MATERNAL FETAL MED


PEDIATRICS (weeks)
–NEO/NICU (2/4)
–PEDS E.R. (2/4)
–SUB-INTERNSHIP (4)

FAMILY PRACTICE
–SUB-INTERNSHIP (4)
–PREVENTIVE MEDICINE (4)


SURGERY
–CARDIO-THORACIC (4)
–E.N.T. (4)
–PLASTIC (4)
–VASCULAR(4)

FREE ELECTIVES
–ADULT E.R. (2/4)
–ANESTHESIOLOGY (2/4)
–NEUROLOGY (2/4)
–PAIN MANAGEMENT (2/4)
–PATHOLOGY (4)
–RADIOLOGY (2/4)

[Banker794]

Anyone aware of how many spots are available each semester for SMU students here?

[singer]

Residency: Family Practice, Internal Medicine (through NY Methodist)

Clinical Rotations: Surgery, Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, OB/GYN, Family Practice

Website: http://www.wyckoffhospital.org/

Wow:

Wyckoff has been updating its website for over a year now.
Wonder if they will ever get a website that works

[swimguy23]

Wow:

Wyckoff has been updating its website for over a year now.
Wonder if they will ever get a website that works

for some reason it works on the hospital server but not public domain

[ameht02]

6 weeks total. (counts for 4 weeks of core / 2 week of elective)
2 weeks Inpatient M-F (including national holidays). 1 24hour saturday night call... (including holidays like New Years eve :idea: )
2 weeks Outpatient - M-F at the 2 clinics. 1 saturday clinic call day.
1 week Nights - 3 nights of the week - on from 5:30pm - 7:00am
1 week Preventative Medicine. -- Mon- Sat. Involves patient education, community coach 2 days, and Needle exchange community van (1 night from 6:00pm-11:00pm) and 1 Screening topic presentation (ex. osteoporosis screening, ETOH screening, Breast Ca Screening).

LOTS and LOTS of scut work. Be prepared to work harder than on your Internal Medicine rotation.. much harder. Don't be foolded by the "Family Practice" title.

[swimguy23]

6 weeks total. (counts for 4 weeks of core / 2 week of elective)
2 weeks Inpatient M-F (including national holidays). 1 24hour saturday night call... (including holidays like New Years eve :idea: )
2 weeks Outpatient - M-F at the 2 clinics. 1 saturday clinic call day.
1 week Nights - 3 nights of the week - on from 5:30pm - 7:00am
1 week Preventative Medicine. -- Mon- Sat. Involves patient education, community coach 2 days, and Needle exchange community van (1 night from 6:00pm-11:00pm) and 1 Screening topic presentation (ex. osteoporosis screening, ETOH screening, Breast Ca Screening).

LOTS and LOTS of scut work. Be prepared to work harder than on your Internal Medicine rotation.. much harder. Don't be foolded by the "Family Practice" title.

thats weird, i find barely any scut work. I dont see how checking up on your assigned patients, ordering the labs, following the results, doign the H&Ps is scut work......i find a lot of free time during the day which is annoying.Like inpatient you come in at 7 and then have until 10:30 to see your patients, write your notes, etc.....that takes me 30 mins at the most. Then you round, lunch, wait around, lectures or whatever else and then youre done at 5. 1 intern tried to scut me but i said no and there have been no other issues

[MD999]

. 1 intern tried to scut me but i said no and there have been no other issues

Good stuff!! But how did you say no? For some reason I thought we're at the bottom of the totem pole, or is it that we only do what our preceptors advise us to do? Who CANT we normally say no to?
I just wanna make sure so I'm not booted out of some rotation for telling some intern that I'm not his slave.

[swimguy23]

Good stuff!! But how did you say no? For some reason I thought we're at the bottom of the totem pole, or is it that we only do what our preceptors advise us to do? Who CANT we normally say no to?
I just wanna make sure so I'm not booted out of some rotation for telling some intern that I'm not his slave.

to be completely honest, i looked at him and said "no", it works with my personality tho.....then another time he asked me to get some labs for 1 patient but i was already done with that patient and was working on another so i told him "i finished all my work with that patient and now im doin work on this other pt, i will go back and do what you want later".....There are some interns i would never consider saying no to.....but if one specifically tries to scut me out all the time then yeh i will say something. I woud say no to interns.....PGY2 or PGY3's would really have to scut me big time, but i have not had a problem yet with them, most are happy if youre competent and demonstrate that and seem to be happier teaching you. I would never say no to an attending.....as for interns, if youre going to say no you need to have a reason. If youre sitting around doing nothing and have nothing else to do then it looks really bad if you say no. If an intern asks you to run to radiology and get a preliminary report on a pt and you say no bc you are about to go assist/perform a pericentesis, then a femoral line, followed by a complete respiratory exam on the pneumonia pt to learn how to hear and percuss consolidation then if they gave you problems they would prob get crap from their resident or attending for scutting you when you had better learning opportunities.....that is at least what i have noticed.....just dont become one of those students i look at an say "tool".....you know the ones im talkin about

[MD999]

to be completely honest, i looked at him and said "no", it works with my personality tho.....then another time he asked me to get some labs for 1 patient but i was already done with that patient and was working on another so i told him "i finished all my work with that patient and now im doin work on this other pt, i will go back and do what you want later".....There are some interns i would never consider saying no to.....but if one specifically tries to scut me out all the time then yeh i will say something. I woud say no to interns.....PGY2 or PGY3's would really have to scut me big time, but i have not had a problem yet with them, most are happy if youre competent and demonstrate that and seem to be happier teaching you. I would never say no to an attending.....as for interns, if youre going to say no you need to have a reason. If youre sitting around doing nothing and have nothing else to do then it looks really bad if you say no. If an intern asks you to run to radiology and get a preliminary report on a pt and you say no bc you are about to go assist/perform a pericentesis, then a femoral line, followed by a complete respiratory exam on the pneumonia pt to learn how to hear and percuss consolidation then if they gave you problems they would prob get crap from their resident or attending for scutting you when you had better learning opportunities.....that is at least what i have noticed.....just dont become one of those students i look at an say "tool".....you know the ones im talkin about

Yeah, I hear ya. Makes a lot of sense.
I'll have to keep all that in mind... We should make your post a "sticky" lol.

[swimguy23]

Yeah, I hear ya. Makes a lot of sense.
I'll have to keep all that in mind... We should make your post a "sticky" lol.

you comin to wyckoff heights?

[MD999]

you comin to wyckoff heights?

No, not that I know of, I meant for rotations in general.

But with SMU's soon-to-be bottleneck at rotations, we'll probably have to go where ever we can.

[ameht02]

Listen. Everyone's clinical experience is different. As a student of SMU, I am comparing this rotation to my last rotation in Atlanta. As I am pretty sure you aren't an SMU student swimmer guy, I am sure you can't necessarily compare your clinicals to ours. We don't have all of the same rotation sites as Ross and AUC. Beyond that, if you are currently doing your FP rotation at Wykoff you and I can still have different clinical experiences.
I'll tell you how my comment of lots of scut work holds true. I showed up at 6:40am everyday for inpatient. I left only 2 times before 6:00pm and those were Wednesday conference/lecture days. Keep in mind sign out is at 5:30. I was given less than 1 hour to see my patients, write notes, and report back to my resident. Which can take more than 30 minutes when you have to get a translator in the moring and spend 20 minutes looking for a chart and then taking the morning vitals yourself because the nurses don't seem to be ontop of that sort of thing all the time.
Back to the scut work. When you are assigned to a PGY2 and that resident and your cheif resident believe that you are there for the sole purpose of making their lives easier all you will is run orders to caridology, or vascular or radiology, or sit in radiology with a list of 15 patients to get preliminary readings, stamp orders with name plates, write consultations requests, write discharge orders, stamp more name plates, get vitals, run down to cardiology to get results, check labs, and then on rounds your lucky if you actually get to present 1 of your patients.. let a lone being around long enough to hear the others, because you'll be off getting order sheets, filing out this and that, stamping them, and locating a medex. But hey .. don't blame me for saying that there's a lot of scut work. like I said everyones clinical experience is different. Since I am paying for this education I have to say despite how much you put in you don't always get back the same amount. And not everyone can get away with Saying "no" to their resident or intern.
Oh and bye the way I love how your schedule had time for lunch. I didn't even get a chance for lunch some days, and when I did it was "10 minutes" or "meet back on the 5th floor in 15" .. you do realize it takes a few minutes to get down stairs and then wait in line to get the food let a lone actually eat it. But since my resident didn't believe in eating lunch, it wasn't actually something that there was time for in out days.

[swimguy23]

Listen. Everyone's clinical experience is different. As a student of SMU, I am comparing this rotation to my last rotation in Atlanta. As I am pretty sure you aren't an SMU student swimmer guy, I am sure you can't necessarily compare your clinicals to ours. We don't have all of the same rotation sites as Ross and AUC. Beyond that, if you are currently doing your FP rotation at Wykoff you and I can still have different clinical experiences.
I'll tell you how my comment of lots of scut work holds true. I showed up at 6:40am everyday for inpatient. I left only 2 times before 6:00pm and those were Wednesday conference/lecture days. Keep in mind sign out is at 5:30. I was given less than 1 hour to see my patients, write notes, and report back to my resident. Which can take more than 30 minutes when you have to get a translator in the moring and spend 20 minutes looking for a chart and then taking the morning vitals yourself because the nurses don't seem to be ontop of that sort of thing all the time.
Back to the scut work. When you are assigned to a PGY2 and that resident and your cheif resident believe that you are there for the sole purpose of making their lives easier all you will is run orders to caridology, or vascular or radiology, or sit in radiology with a list of 15 patients to get preliminary readings, stamp orders with name plates, write consultations requests, write discharge orders, stamp more name plates, get vitals, run down to cardiology to get results, check labs, and then on rounds your lucky if you actually get to present 1 of your patients.. let a lone being around long enough to hear the others, because you'll be off getting order sheets, filing out this and that, stamping them, and locating a medex. But hey .. don't blame me for saying that there's a lot of scut work. like I said everyones clinical experience is different. Since I am paying for this education I have to say despite how much you put in you don't always get back the same amount. And not everyone can get away with Saying "no" to their resident or intern.
Oh and bye the way I love how your schedule had time for lunch. I didn't even get a chance for lunch some days, and when I did it was "10 minutes" or "meet back on the 5th floor in 15" .. you do realize it takes a few minutes to get down stairs and then wait in line to get the food let a lone actually eat it. But since my resident didn't believe in eating lunch, it wasn't actually something that there was time for in out days.

sorry man, you got shafted big time

[microphage]

that is at least what i have noticed.....just dont become one of those students i look at an say "tool".....you know the ones im talkin about

HEY! I resent that!:evil:

[swimguy23]

HEY! I resent that!:evil:

i rest my case

[tehas]

6 week rotation - ACGME - (residents are from Brooklyn Hospital)

2 weeks - clinic
2 weeks - inpatient/floors
- 3 calls (2 weeknights and 1 weekend call)
1 week - Peds ER
- 4 shifts (1. 10am-6pm, 2. 12pm-8pm, 3. 11pm-7am, 4. 7pm-7am.
1 week - Nursery
- NICU/ Nursery/ at risk deliverys

* 2 presentations (1 topic/1 clinical paper
* noon conference daily (either lectures or student presentations)
* bi-weekly lecture from assoc. director
* Wed. Morning grand rounds
*** end of rotation 60 Q mult choice exam ***

Great rotation. Lots of exposure to various pathology, and clincal cases, and lots of good didactic time.

:p I definetly recommend this rotation

[gebbils]

I heard from a friend of mine that surgery at Wyckoff is not green, even though it says it is. It is "green" through Bronx Lebanon, Im not sure of the details.
But couple of students from Ross confirmed that its not
Can anyone clarify?

[Junito]

What more do you need than Bronx-Lebanon listing it as a participating institution for its ACGME approved surgery rotation? Isn't that enough to prove that it is an ACGME approved rotation?

[singer]

What more do you need than Bronx-Lebanon listing it as a participating institution for its ACGME approved surgery rotation? Isn't that enough to prove that it is an ACGME approved rotation?

jini711:

I am impressed by your answers and I see that there are always rumers floating around. I asked the same question to ROSS Director of Clinical Science and she said it is definitely an ACGME rotation. Up to a year ago it had no affilation with Bronx Lebanon and was DO rotation. The only Core at Wyckoff that isn't ACGME is Ob/gyn.

[Junito]

I heard of this rumor but I believe it was due to someone being scheduled a vascular surgery (categorical, not general) rotation instead of a regular general surgery rotation (not sure which school this was). It must be a general surgery rotation to count as a core rotation. Otherwise it is an elective.

[Junito]

Well I did my first week here and here is what I gathered so far...The level of education you receive is up to you. The potential to slouch around and do nothing is tremendous. I entered mid cycle with three others (all Rossies) and we formed our own study group. People are generally nice, but you are sort of dropped in and expected to know things. I was fortunate enough to be assigned to a group who were willing to help me learn the ropes quickly.

Saw a paracentesis (sp?) done today. Saw a few MM cases and quite a few other interesting cases. What I liked was the noncompetiveness I encountered (maybe other people had different experiences?). The majority of students here are from Ross. Seen a few SMU, AUC and Hope univ students. Will keep you posted.

[Junito]

Learn how to use the following programs once you get to Wyckoff (I guess for IM):

Census (look up patients, especially the ones your attending is responsible for)

Meditech (look up lab results for your patients)

PAM (look up the drugs your patients are taking)

Starpak (look up x-rays of your patients)

Ofcourse be aware of HIPPA requirements (they are big on this over here).

[mdhope]

Naive maybe, but what is scut?

[azulpanther]

Naive maybe, but what is scut?


stupid annoying work, , its like office work or busy work. Work that wont teach u anything.

[kanson]

Well I did my first week here and here is what I gathered so far...The level of education you receive is up to you. The potential to slouch around and do nothing is tremendous. I entered mid cycle with three others (all Rossies) and we formed our own study group. People are generally nice, but you are sort of dropped in and expected to know things. I was fortunate enough to be assigned to a group who were willing to help me learn the ropes quickly.

Saw a paracentesis (sp?) done today. Saw a few MM cases and quite a few other interesting cases. What I liked was the uncompetiveness I encountered (maybe other people had different experiences?). The majority of students here are from Ross. Seen a few SMU, AUC and Hope univ students. Will keep you posted.

Congrats Juni (J...), I've seen you before so I know who you are. Yesterday you were one of us studying your butts off for exams and now you are really in the clinicals doing real stuff. Thanks for all the info regarding step 1 and all. You are truly awesome and I have no doubt in my mind that you are going to be a great doctor someday. Good luck.

[Junito]

Interesting tid bit of info:

You can attend a phlebotomy class that leads to certification (not sure if it is official, think it is within the hospital). The class is held twice a week (tue or thur) and then you go in anytime thereafter for practice (then you receive your certificate). There is also a class for placing IVs.

You can also see pathology slides on Tues and Fri(?) after 3. There is someone who will go over the slides with you.

[Junito]

I'm half way through my IM rotation at Wyckoff...Tremendous amount of self learning. No one here to guide you much. That is not a problem for me, I actually prefer that. Will start with a new attending this monday. The IM rotation is split into two sessions: One is called Service, the other is Private. Service you see more patients and have an attending and resident(s) in your group. In private you will most likely not have a resident in your group (your basically treated like one). Scut work here and there, not a biggie. If you know Spanish or Polish, you will have an edge. Will post more as I progress through.

[Kronos]

Scut work here and there, not a biggie. If you know Spanish or Polish, you will have an edge. Will post more as I progress through.

Hey Juni,

Thanks for the updates... so if a student is iffy with his Spanish does that essentially mean there are less opportunities to shine with the attendings and residents? Obviously all of us want to impress in IM to get those better evals, but if Spanish is basically required to do really well (that is, above and beyond just passing the rotation), then should we look into another hospital for IM?

Thanks again, and good luck! Keep the updates coming.

[Junito]

It would only help you, not hurt you. The only problem would be communicating with the patients assigned to you. My attending was pleased in not having to need an interpreter around when we rounded. No need to look for another hospital if you are not proficient in Spanish. Just helped a lot. Was a blessing and a curse at the same time for then the other attendings or residents find out and before you know it, they'll come looking for you to interpret for them.

[Kronos]

So what other ways are you standing out from the rest of the crowd in IM? I imagine there are a lot of students and harder to really show your clinical knowledge?

[Junito]

So what other ways are you standing out from the rest of the crowd in IM? I imagine there are a lot of students and harder to really show your clinical knowledge?
There were four students in my group...I stood out by knowing everything there was to know about the patients assigned to me. I checked all that needed to be checked thoroughly. I tried to know the five most common diseases found in patients admitted at Wyckoff and most other hospitals: diabetes, HTN, CHD, obesity, asthma/COPD. If I didn't know something, I was honest. Know the drugs, complications associated with each disease, etc. Did not have a problem with my attending...

[swimguy23]

There were four students in my group...I stood out by knowing everything there was to know about the patients assigned to me. I checked all that needed to be checked thoroughly. I tried to know the five most common diseases found upon admissions at Wyckoff and most other hospitals: diabetes, HTN, CHD, obesity, asthma/COPD. If I didn't know something, I was honest. Know the drugs, complications associated with each disease, etc. Did not have a problem with my attending...

dont listen to juni i see him in the library hiding all the time!

jk jk

3 steps to make you shine
1.) Know your patients
2.) Read up on common disorders
3.) If your attending asks you something and you dont know its ok.....if they ask you the next day and you still dont know you lose respect

[Junito]

Just some info on wyckoff:

It is split into two sections: Private & Service. Six weeks in each component. In Private you are rounding with an attending that has his own private practice, and comes in to see his patients. Your basically rounding like the residents. No on call.

In service you round with 1 attending and a few residents. I round with three residents and three other med students. Will have to be on call once a week...not looking forward to that :mad:

[Junito]

So far completed my first week of service...I think the Service component is much better than the private one. More one on one teaching (atleast for my group), more teaching on rounds, and it is nice to see the residents feel the heat instead of the med students:twisted:

[Junito]

Just in case anyone encounters the rumor about Surg reverting back to a DO rotation, that is false. I spoke to Mr. R yesterday, and assured me that this was not true. Surg is ACGME approved, and will remain so for some time.

[Junito]

Well I finished my IM rotation at Wyckoff...I think it was a semi-decent rotation. A lot has to do with who you have as an attending and which residents are in your team. I did not have to do much scut work when it came to service (the residents did most of it themselves). The attending wasn't the best teacher but managed to get some good points here and there. Learning is all about self teaching. The best time I had was interacting with the patients. Was it an easy rotation? Let's just say I would be suprised if anyone failed. Now on to Psych at St. Johns Episcopal...

[ahsirt80]

Where do most students live in Brooklyn (which neighborhoods)?? Also, is it sensible to bring your car if you live in Brooklyn? I know in Manhattan forget about it...we have a toddler and would prefer having our own car there if at all possible. It would be a real pain to lug around a car seat in and out of taxis... Thanks!

[Junito]

Many people don't know about Ridgewood. It is on the queens side of the border and is close to Wyckoff. Rent is much cheaper than most parts of queens (even Brooklyn). Check out the Ridgewood times for apartments. The Thurdsay edition lists all the apartments available in the neighborhood. Very diverse neighborhood. I feel safe and so does my wife, don't know about these yuppies who come from out of town and are afraid of the first shadow that they see...;)

[Junito]

Wyckoff will be purchasing St. John and St. Mary hospitals, possibly offering ACGME approved core rotations (except for Psych).

http://www.valuemd.com/relaxing-lounge/116388-wyckoff-buy-st-marys-st-johns-hospitals.html

[microphage]

Wyckoff will be purchasing St. John and St. Mary hospitals, possibly offering ACGME approved core rotations (except for Psych).

http://www.valuemd.com/relaxing-lounge/116388-wyckoff-buy-st-marys-st-johns-hospitals.html

ah great.. let's stuff a few hundred more students in there.

[Banker794]

Has anyone done Pediatrics rotation at wyckoff? How was it?

[Banker794]

There must be someone out there who did the pediatrics rotation at Wyckoff.... please help with some much needed information.

[swimguy23]

There must be someone out there who did the pediatrics rotation at Wyckoff.... please help with some much needed information.

Im not from SMU obviously but i did peds at wyckoff. I really liked the rotation. The hours arent bad, there was a lot of teaching and you got a lot of hands on. You do 3 calls i think which could be easy or crazy. I heard with the new interns its a little rough right now but when i was there the residents taught a lot and involved you on procedures if you wanted. I saw a lot of interesting cases and really enjoyed talkin with the patients. I might be a little biased since i'm interested in peds but i definitey thought it was a good rotation.
You spend 1 week in ER......4 shifts to a total of 40 hours for the week
2 weeks in clinic.....it depends on what clinic you are in
2 weeks of floors
1 week of NICU
The only thing i didnt like about the rotation was having to wait around for lecture. I know attendings are busy and everything but I just think if we are expected to be tehre and sign in someone should be there on time to lecture us. Of course things may happen and someone is late but not every day. And if you are late everyday dont get mad if people wait over an hour for you and leave

[peach]

hi,
im coming to Wyckoff for surgery and peds rotations.
wondering if anyone has done these rotations there and how they felt about them. ive heard peds is great but the surgery rotations could use some help. any one with comments appreciated..
thx

[Kronos]

Surgery is a nightmare at Wyckoff. I've heard enough first-hand horror stories. Read this thread:

http://www.valuemd.com/ross-university-clinical-forum/40426-wykoff-nyc.html

May God be with you.

hi,
im coming to Wyckoff for surgery and peds rotations.
wondering if anyone has done these rotations there and how they felt about them. ive heard peds is great but the surgery rotations could use some help. any one with comments appreciated..
thx

[Junito]

Peds so far seems to be the best rotation I have experienced at Wyckoff. Make sure to select the schedule with the Pediatric Cardiologist. His EKG lectures are money.

[Banker794]

Peds is my first rotation and I have to say it has been a great learning experience so far. I just finished 2 weeks of the floor and the attendings and residents have been very helpful from the very beginning.

Many times they are in the middle of doing something & a student will come over and ask a q, they will put aside their work and try to answer it. Dr. M** is amazing.

This rotation so far is HIGHLY recommended.

[dr.domuch21]

Hey everyone. I am a student at SMU. I am starting Pediatrics rotation at Wyckoff in October. This will be my first rotation. Junito, any advice from you is always appreciated since ur quite the popular guy around the watercooler in maine. :-) Anyway i don't really know what to expect. Especially which books to buy. Again, any advice is good advice right now. Thanks guys. :-)

~scooterchick

[Junito]

I have rotated at three sites for Peds so far:

1- Dr. Q (pediatric cardiologist)

2- Dr. P's Clinic (Most patients speak only Spanish, was a breeze, tons of pt contact)

3- Peds ER: Dr. L is great. You have three 12hr shifts for the week (they are either from 10am-10pm or 7pm - 7am).

Next I rotate at NICU and then finally the floor for my last two weeks.

Books: The Kaplan books are fine. I am using the book "Step 2 for the Boards and Wards". It depends on your preferences.

Good luck.

[Kronos]

For a good overall review for the boards and the Shelf, the Peds Blueprints book is well worth it. Although its skimpy on some sections, it is a very very easy read, something you can do on your downtime on the subway or during your shift.

[Junito]

Recently heard that Wyckoff will eventually be offering all cores as being ACGME...With Mary Immaculate & St. John's (not the one in Far Rockaway) come OB/GYN & Psych (Psych through Creedmoor). Hoping OB/GYN will be ACGME by Jan. ;) The only thing that is holding things back for the deal is the approval by one or two state committees.

Times Ledger - Wyckoff takeover of Mary Immaculate, St. John's hospitals gets first-round OK (http://www.timesledger.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17235601&BRD=2676&PAG=461&dept_id=573700&rfi=6)

The deal is far from final, however. It now goes before the full Hospital Review and Planning Council on Oct. 5. If passed by the council, a decision on the takeover will be made Nov. 10 in Albany by state Commissioner of Health Antonia Novella.

[Junito]

According to what the head of the Peds dept said in a meeting today, with the acquisition of St. John's & Mary Immaculate (if approved), there will be more Peds spots.

[Junito]

It is official...Wyckoff's OB/GYN rotation is ACGME as of 10/02/06! So Wyckoff now offers 5/6 rotations as ACGME (Psych is not offered yet). Wyckoff's Surgery residency will now be affiliated with St. John's Queens hospital (pending as of 10/04/06). Great news.

Also heard that all of Wyckoff's electives are considered LCME (which is accepted by PA) via New York Hospital Cornell.
:dancepar:

[Banker794]

Just finished my 3rd E.R shift... the attendings I had were excellent for all 3 days. The E.R was very busy and they let you do things so long as you have earned the attending's trust (i.e. urine catheter, IV's, help suture, pelvic exam, rectal exams etc.)

Now that I have completed all my requirements for my pediatric rotation (other than the final exam) I can say Wyckoff pediatrics is definitely a site to consider. While this is my very first rotation - it gets my recommendation.

[neeL24]

Hi,
if your not from the nyc area, do you have a chance to get rotations at this hospital? Do they give preference to NYC people first?

[Junito]

Hi,
if your not from the nyc area, do you have a chance to get rotations at this hospital? Do they give preference to NYC people first?

From seeing the students who are rotating there the answer would seem yes to your first question, and not really to the last one.

[Junito]

Already in my first week of Surgery...I have mixed feelings about this one. The few attendings I have met in the OR have been willing to allow me to scrub in for procedures. Many opportunities today to scrub in. Downside are the bullying that the residents dish out.

I can't ephasize enough how speaking Spanish will give you an advantage here. I was with one of the attendings who was trying to communicate with a patient who only spoke Spanish...At first he barely noticed I was there until I started communicating with the patient in Spanish. His demeanor towards me changed instantly. Residents took notice too. Hope this won't come back to haunt me :shock:

[Banker794]

Anyone have any insight about Internal Medicine at Wyckoff. I know it really depends on your preceptor (and there are many) but any advice with regards to the rotation as a whole would be helpful...

Thanks

[swimguy23]

Anyone have any insight about Internal Medicine at Wyckoff. I know it really depends on your preceptor (and there are many) but any advice with regards to the rotation as a whole would be helpful...

Thanks

I had a great experience with IM.....i know a lot of people who didnt. My first preceptor was someone who basically taught everything you need to do for CS. He didnt do it on purpose but the patient interaction he taught has been invaluable to me. My second preceptor did a lot of didactic teaching high yield for the step. I also got an excellent letter of recommendation from my first preceptor which i know has been an incredible part of my application. Everyone complains about something but at wyckoff you will have a patient load and your patients are the typical metabolic syndrome type patients. You may not receive a lot of teaching by some preceptors but there is nothing stopping you from reading UpToDate on your patients and pretending you're the intern, that its your patient and you are the one who has to make the decisions. On my away rotation right now thats pretty much how they treat me. No one cares im from a caribbean school and i have been wrong on some diagnoses and correct with many others. Every morning I round prior to my intern seeing the patients, then the intern and i discuss the patient and round on them prior to the attending. The attending asks me directly about the patient and only really includes the intern for writing orders, etc. They would not do that if they didnt trust me. Also, I wouldnt be able to do that if i didnt do that as much as possible all 3rd year

[Junito]

I am having a totally different experience for Surgery than what I had for IM. Can't wait till this is over...10 more weeks :mad:. One thing is that I have been able to scrub in often for surgeries, even when I'm on call.

[swimguy23]

I am having a totally different experience for Surgery than what I had for IM. Can't wait till this is over...10 more weeks :mad:. One thing is that I have been able to scrub in often for surgeries, even when I'm on call.


yeh thats surgery for ya dude....just gotta suck it up and get through it. I'm back at wyckoff for 2 more weeks of neuro

[Kronos]

Anyone having issues getting Neuro at Wyckoff? I tried a couple of times and in both instances SMU wouldn't approve it unless I was assigned a different preceptor. So in the end I have to just delay taking Neuro until I can schedule it at another site... swimguy did you have the same problem?

[swimguy23]

Anyone having issues getting Neuro at Wyckoff? I tried a couple of times and in both instances SMU wouldn't approve it unless I was assigned a different preceptor. So in the end I have to just delay taking Neuro until I can schedule it at another site... swimguy did you have the same problem?

im from auc so no prob

[Junito]

Try Maimonides. I was able to get scheduled there for June 07.

Or you can try:

LICH
Kings county
LIJ

[Junito]

Spoke to JR today and was told that Surg at Wyckoff is officially affiliated with St. John's Hospital (from CMC), and also with Lincoln medical center's surgery program (which is affiliated with Albert Einstein SOM). Good news. 5/6 cores are now ACGME affiliated at Wyckoff. It is possible to do all cores in NYC as ACGME.

Before people start saying that it is not listed on the ACGME website, JR stated that it is definitely official. He stated further that the ACGME has to update its website (possibly within a month) to show the changes. Will keep you posted.

Also have spoken to a few residents and they said that Wyckoff is seeking to become a trauma center. They already hired a trauma surgeon (who is a great teacher I might add) for this purpose.

[Junito]

Saw the first surgery resident (MD) from CMC rounding with us this morning. After much anticipation it is good to know that the surgery rotation at Wyckoff is ACGME affiliated.

[Junito]

If anyone is interested Wyckoff is offering an ACLS certification course on Dec 12-13 from 9am to 5pm. Just go to the Emergency Dept Community training center (next to the Human Resource building) for more information. Students are given a discount.

[DRJJ1]

If anyone is interested Wyckoff is offering an ACLS certification course on Dec 12-13 from 9am to 5pm. Just go to the Emergency Dept Community training center (next to the Human Resource building) for more information. Students are given a discount.

so what is the outcome of doing all cores at Wyckoff? Also , any other brooklyn or staten island hospitals added recently? I didn t see any on the smu list.

[swimguy23]

so what is the outcome of doing all cores at Wyckoff? Also , any other brooklyn or staten island hospitals added recently? I didn t see any on the smu list.

what is the outcome? like will you be competent? i did all my cores at wyckoff minus psych and I have been on par with US students I have rotated with at various hospitals for electives.....we were equally dumb

[Junito]

Check out the new Wyckoff website:

frontpage_3 (http://www.bqhcny.org/)

So the takeover is official as of 12 am tonight!

[Junito]

Second day at OB/GYN, seems like a good rotation. Lots of hands on experience, the Faculty seem nice. Will update as I move on...Basically you are assigned to:

1 week of Labor & Delivery
1 week of Obstetrics clinic
1 week of Ultrasound (forgot the term they use)
1 week of OR
2 weeks of Gynecology

There are 3-4 calls (depending how many people are in each group), and there are three chief students. Atleast I'm not in surgery :woot:

[singer]

Saw the first surgery resident (MD) from CMC rounding with us this morning. After much anticipation it is good to know that the surgery rotation at Wyckoff is ACGME affiliated.

You keep saying that the surgery rotation is ACGME. Why is it still shown as DO on the Wyckoff website and why isn't it listed anywhere on the ACGME website as a participating institution under St. Johns or anywhere else. I know "JR" told you it was byt that and $2 will get you a subway ride.

WHERE IS THE PROOF it is ACGME. Did JR show you a letter.

[Junito]

First I'm not going to question JR's word. He has been straight forward with me and I see no need to doubt what he said. All I know is that there are CMC residents rotating at Wyckoff for Surgery and OB/GYN. This in itself should settle the question as to whether the rotation is ACGME affiliated or not.

[Scott1981]

Second day at OB/GYN, seems like a good rotation. Lots of hands on experience, the Faculty seem nice. Will update as I move on...Basically you are assigned to:

1 week of Labor & Delivery
1 week of Obstetrics clinic
1 week of Ultrasound (forgot the term they use)
1 week of OR
2 weeks of Gynecology

There are 3-4 calls (depending how many people are in each group), and there are three chief students. Atleast I'm not in surgery :woot:

what is the difference between OR and gynecology? at providence we had 4 weeks L&D and four weeks gynecology with once a week clinic. gynecology was nonstop OR.

just curious what you do in gynecology if you are not in the clinic or the OR?

[Junito]

what is the difference between OR and gynecology? at providence we had 4 weeks L&D and four weeks gynecology with once a week clinic. gynecology was nonstop OR.

just curious what you do in gynecology if you are not in the clinic or the OR?

Gynecology is at a clinic that deals basically with non-obstetric issues. The OR deals with gynecological issues but is separate (in the OR suite). I haven't rotated at the GYN clinic yet, but heard that you basically do H&Ps and pelvic examinations.

[Scientific]

Well, I'll give my 5 cents on Wyckoff... I was definately not impressed...at all. Family Practice was an easy rotation....2 weeks of clinic (8am-1pm for 1 week, and 1pm-6pm another week), 2 weeks at the hospital (7am-~5pm), and 2 weeks of nights (7pm-7am). Here's the breakdown:
Clinic:
At the clinic, you get there, search for a resident to follow, see a couple patients with them....there's a ton of "down time", just waiting around.
You do one 5 min student presentation and one of the attendings did a brief lecture once a week when they had time.
At the hospital:
You get there at 7am, and everyone sits down while the residents from the night "sign out". That consists of them going over what happened with each patient that night and if they need any labs, etc done that day, if they are to be discharged, etc. After that, each student is assigned to 2 patients. You have from 7-11am to do your H&P, and write up the SOAP note for 1 of your patients (some residents may try to get you to do both, but it's up to you to decide if you really want to do it or not.....you have plenty of time so it's no big deal to do 2 notes). Anyway, after that you do rounds.... Personally, with the attending that was assigned to us, rounds were HORRIBLE. As students, we presented our patient and that was it... The attending went from patient to patient, not discussing what was going on with us. There was no learning during rounds and I was highly dissappointed :evil: . After rounds, you sit around in the Fam Practice room until they decide to let us go home. And I mean we LITERALLY sat around. Towards the end, you are assigned a topic and give a brief presentation after rounds, but a lot of the time, the attending didn't even show up so it was just us and the residents. I'd bring books with me, but I was disappointed in that the time at the hospital should be time for learning not for independant study. Anyway, that was FP, and I hear IM is worse and that Surgery is an abomination at Wyckoff. If you want to get a lot of studying done, then Wyckoff is great. If you want interactive learning and if you want to learn procedures and clinical skills, then you will be dissappointed. Just my 5 cents.

[Junito]

Not defending Wyckoff, but thinking about it, I should have done my FM at Wyckoff. My experience at Florida Hospital was nothing to brag about.

On the same note, glad to see that the hospital is moving to electronic records. The whole paper charts was a mess especially when you had to read some of the progress notes!

[MedChe]

I defend FP at wyckoff. Experience was good. :evil:

[Junito]

I defend FP at wyckoff. Experience was good. :evil:


How about surgery? :twisted:

[singer]

First I'm not going to question JR's word. He has been straight forward with me and I see no need to doubt what he said. All I know is that there are CMC residents rotating at Wyckoff for Surgery and OB/GYN. This in itself should settle the question as to whether the rotation is ACGME affiliated or not.

If their are residents rotating in Surgery from St Johns then why isn't Whyckoff listed on the ACGME St. Johns Surgery page which was updated last week as a participating institution. Also why does the Wyckoff website still show only an AOA residency in Surgery? If your still at Wyckoff why don't you ask JR.

[UFTim]

Today an updated clinical list was passed out to 5th semester students. Wyckoff still looks like the best bet for not having to move to do the most green in one spot.

[Junito]

If their are residents rotating in Surgery from St Johns then why isn't Whyckoff listed on the ACGME St. Johns Surgery page which was updated last week as a participating institution. Also why does the Wyckoff website still show only an AOA residency in Surgery? If your still at Wyckoff why don't you ask JR.

Wyckoff's OB/GYN rotation was ACGME affiliated since the beginning of October (as evident from the St. John's Hospital residents rotating on the OB/GYN service at Wyckoff). Surgery on the other hand was granted later. The first St. John resident in Surgery was in early December. I'm not going to bother with the issue since I saw with my own eyes that Surgery residents from an ACGME accredited residency were rotating there (thereby making the surgery rotation ACGME affiliated). If you have an issue with the current status of the surgery rotation, then I suggest you contact the hospital directly:

Medical Student Clerkships (http://www.wyckoffhospital.org/body.cfm?id=159)

I don't see an issue here. If it took the ACGME 4 months to update the OB/GYN info, I'm sure the surgery info will be updated eventually (since it is obvious that Residents from St. John's Hospital from surgery are rotating there).

[MedChe]

Well, i just completed oby. very good rotation and also acgme(just go to the website). As far as surgery....well, junito is right, there are residents from st johns there.:twisted:

[Junito]

Well, i just completed oby. very good rotation and also acgme(just go to the website). As far as surgery....well, junito is right, there are residents from st johns there.:twisted:

Finally done with OB/GYN!!! Now I'm done with my cores, I finally am a MS2 (inside joke here)....

[midnight]

Hey UFTIM, could you let us know what changes were made to the updated clinical rotation list that you guys got recently. were there any sites added/removed? thanks.

[unknownunknown]

How is the hospital in Wyckoff? What are the hours/days that a student have to spend there? And how is the city?

[Junito]

For those of you seeking a good elective experience, may I suggest Peds Cardio. Dr. Q is a great instructor and really builds your confidence in reading EKGs. I highly recommend this rotation.

[Kronos]

Anyone complete Radiology and/or Heme/Onc at Wyckoff? How were the hours? Are they good 'study' rotations to take while prepping for the boards? Any other electives that might be a better option?

Peds Cardio sounds really interesting, but I'll wait until after Step 2 to take it - it sounds time-intensive.

[swimguy23]

Anyone complete Radiology and/or Heme/Onc at Wyckoff? How were the hours? Are they good 'study' rotations to take while prepping for the boards? Any other electives that might be a better option?

Peds Cardio sounds really interesting, but I'll wait until after Step 2 to take it - it sounds time-intensive.

radiology is 2-3 hours a day 5 days a week (9am-11 or 12)
Heme Onc - I did the heme onc rotation, but it was during holidays so lots of days off.....generally its 3-5ish tuesday-thursday and monday clinic 9-11
those hours may have changed tho

[Junito]

Anyone complete Radiology and/or Heme/Onc at Wyckoff? How were the hours? Are they good 'study' rotations to take while prepping for the boards? Any other electives that might be a better option?

Peds Cardio sounds really interesting, but I'll wait until after Step 2 to take it - it sounds time-intensive.

It's not time-intensvie, definitely not close to what I experienced in Anesthesia at Maimonides. Hours are good, but not as good as Radio and Onc, but you do learn quite a bit from the rotation.

[got milk?]

how big is this hospital, and are there computers we can use?

[Junito]

Not a big hospital. Takes up a city block and that is it (except for the Women's Center across the street). There are computers to use in the library. Plenty of them.

[thatguy]

I am curious about what hours and days you are expected to work for an Internal Medicine rotatoin at Wyckoff? I am only asking because i will need 1 weekend off for the Christening of a friend's child. I assume that it would be ok to take off if i asked, but not having to ask sure would be nice. I dont want to look like a slacker early in my rotation. thanks

[Jeep23Guy]

I don't think it will matter because you'll probably look like a slacker anyhow. No offense.

[thatguy]

I don't think it will matter because you'll probably look like a slacker anyhow. No offense.


yeah, but as for the first weekend of the rotation they won't know me yet.

[Junito]

It depends on your attendings. You rotate with one attending for 6 weeks, which means you'll have 2 attendings. I only had to come in once or twice on weekends for one attending, the other gave us off on the weekends. Now if you need a day off during the week, that is a different story. Hopefully it will not be an issue for you.

[tomjones]

Wyckoff's OB/GYN rotation was ACGME affiliated since the beginning of October (as evident from the St. John's Hospital residents rotating on the OB/GYN service at Wyckoff). Surgery on the other hand was granted later. The first St. John resident in Surgery was in early December. I'm not going to bother with the issue since I saw with my own eyes that Surgery residents from an ACGME accredited residency were rotating there (thereby making the surgery rotation ACGME affiliated). If you have an issue with the current status of the surgery rotation, then I suggest you contact the hospital directly:

Medical Student Clerkships (http://www.wyckoffhospital.org/body.cfm?id=159)

I don't see an issue here. If it took the ACGME 4 months to update the OB/GYN info, I'm sure the surgery info will be updated eventually (since it is obvious that Residents from St. John's Hospital from surgery are rotating there).

Juni, I'm sorry - I have been following your discussion of ACGME & Wyckoff and I called ACGME to ask them if OB/GYN & surgery were ACGME APPROVED. They said NO. My interpretation is that what you are describing with the residents from other ACGME approved hospitals rotating at Wyckoff (ACGME AFFILIATED) is NOT the same as ACGME ACCREDITED. I know you said that it takes them awhile to update the site - but OB/GYN still is NOT listed as an approved clerkship at Wyckoff. What's the deal here? The last thing I want is to do my rotations being told that they ARE ACGME ACCREDITED, and then have them challenged when I apply for a residency because they really aren't.

It really does not make any logical sense that the ACGME website as well as the people I talked to there would give me incorrect info - info that is contradictory to what SMU is telling us about what makes a rotation ACGME ACCREDITED.

I would really appreciate some clarification - someone needs to reconcile these discrepancies.

[Junito]

Juni, I'm sorry - I have been following your discussion of ACGME & Wyckoff and I called ACGME to ask them if OB/GYN & surgery were ACGME APPROVED. They said NO. My interpretation is that what you are describing with the residents from other ACGME approved hospitals rotating at Wyckoff (ACGME AFFILIATED) is NOT the same as ACGME ACCREDITED. I know you said that it takes them awhile to update the site - but OB/GYN still is NOT listed as an approved clerkship at Wyckoff. What's the deal here? The last thing I want is to do my rotations being told that they ARE ACGME ACCREDITED, and then have them challenged when I apply for a residency because they really aren't.

It really does not make any logical sense that the ACGME website as well as the people I talked to there would give me incorrect info - info that is contradictory to what SMU is telling us about what makes a rotation ACGME ACCREDITED.

I would really appreciate some clarification - someone needs to reconcile these discrepancies.

If you are looking for acgme accredited rotations, you will find none. The ACGME does not accredit rotations only residencies. If you look on the ACGME website it lists Wyckoff as a participating institution under the NY Medical College (Brooklyn-Queens) program. Wyckoff's OB/GYN residency is AOA, but is affiliated with an ACGME accredited residency, thereby making the rotation ACGME affiliated (as I stated earlier) through the affiliation. You will see St. John's residents rotating through the OB/GYN dept at Wyckoff.

Frieda:

FREIDA Online institution information (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/inst/0,1238,350412,00.html)

New York Medical College (Brooklyn-Queens) Program [2203521183]
CARITAS Health Care (B/Q)) St. John's Queens Hosp.
St. John Queens Hospital. 4th Floor
90-02 Queens Blvd
Elmhurst, New York 11373

http://www.nymc.edu/medical/medical.asp (http://www.nymc.edu/medical/medical.asp)

Sponsoring Institution: New York Medical College
Specialty: Obstetrics and Gynecology DIRECTOR INFORMATIONCOORDINATOR INFORMATION

Director First Appointed: February 1, 2001
Phone: (718)
Fax: (718)
Email:
Residency Coordinator

Phone: (718) Email:
ACCREDITATION AND GENERAL INFORMATIONOriginal Accreditation Date: January 17, 2002
Accreditation Status: Initial Accreditation
Accreditation Effective Date: October 6, 2005
Accredited Program Length: 4 years

Program Format: Standard

Last Site Review Date: July 19, 2005
Cycle Length: 1 years
Next Site Review Date (approximate): May 8, 2007

Program Requires Prior or Additional GME Training: NO
Program Requires Dedicated Research Year: NO
Governement Affiliation: No Military or Government Affiliation
ACGME APPROVED POSITIONSACGME FILLED POSITIONS (CATEGORICAL AND PRELIMINARY POSITIONS ONLY)Year 1 Positions: 3
Year 1 Categorical: 3
Year 1 Preliminary Designated: 0
Year 1 Preliminary Non-Designated: 0
Year 2 Positions: 3
Year 2 Categorical: 3
Year 2 Preliminary Designated: 0
Year 2 Preliminary Non-Designated: 0
Year 3 Positions: 3
Year 3 Categorical: 3
Year 3 Preliminary Designated: 0
Year 4 Positions: 3
Total ACGME Approved Positions: 12 Year 1 Filled Positions: 3
Year 2 Filled Positions: 1
Year 3 Filled Positions: 3
Year 4 Filled Positions: 3
Total Number of Filled Positions: 10 (+ 1 off-cycle residents) = 11 MEDICAL SCHOOL AFFILIATIONSNew York Med Coll, Valhalla, NY
PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS AND ROTATIONSCaritas Health Care (Brooklyn-Queens) - Clinical Site
Year 1 Months of Rotation: 12
Year 2 Months of Rotation: 8
Year 3 Months of Rotation: 8
Year 4 Months of Rotation: 10

Wyckoff Heights Medical Center - Other Participating Institution
Year 1 Months of Rotation:
Year 2 Months of Rotation:
Year 3 Months of Rotation: 2
Year 4 Months of Rotation: 2

[tomjones]

Finally - an explanation that makes sense. Thank-you, Juni.

[Junito]

No problem and good luck. OB/GYN and Peds were probably the best rotations at Wyckoff. Now surgery....

[Kronos]

Wyckoff's OB/GYN residency is AOA, but is affiliated with an ACGME accredited residency, thereby making the rotation ACGME affiliated (as I stated earlier) through the affiliation.

If ACGME affiliation isn't the same as ACGME accredited, then are we essentially doing a AOA (blue) rotation?

[Kronos]

By the way, for the new people thinking of coming through the Wyckoff machine, remember that there is no other hospital in this country that needs us the most but wants us the least, than WHMC.

Especially with the new influx of students from SMU, MUA and HMI, this place is going to be even more packed in 2007-8.

On OBGYN we usually have only one patient per three students...

[MD777]

if one speaks 2-3 major languages used by NYC immigrants, you will be more than WANTED. most immigrants that are aging cannot speak or understand english well. at the same time, aging populations are in the need of most health care services.

by having one speak muti-languages w/ medical backgrounds, it can prevent them from getting into any legal battles.

NYC is always packed w/ PEOPLE. in addiiton, there will be about another 1 million coming to NYC by the year of 2012, which will make the NYC's population reach almost 10 million and more expensive to live!

By the way, for the new people thinking of coming through the Wyckoff machine, remember that there is no other hospital in this country that needs us the most but wants us the least, than WHMC.

Especially with the new influx of students from SMU, MUA and HMI, this place is going to be even more packed in 2007-8.

On OBGYN we usually have only one patient per three students...

[Junito]

If ACGME affiliation isn't the same as ACGME accredited, then are we essentially doing a AOA (blue) rotation?

No, I believe that as long as the rotation has residents rotating through there you will be fine. This meets the state board requirements, otherwise NY would not allow us to rotate for Peds at Wyckoff or SJEH. You can only do rotations in NYC that are either ACGME or AOA and if you recall Wyckoff doesn't have its own official peds residency.

[got milk?]

do we do anything on orientation day?
any rounds, etc??

or is it just documents, take your picture for ID card?

[singer]

No, I believe that as long as the rotation has residents rotating through there you will be fine. This meets the state board requirements, otherwise NY would not allow us to rotate for Peds at Wyckoff or SJEH. You can only do rotations in NYC that are either ACGME or AOA and if you recall Wyckoff doesn't have its own official peds residency.

If you look at the initials after the BIG CHEIF at the hospital who is K.F. it states D.O. and not M. D. May be that is part of the problem. They still haven't updated their website to indicate the Surgery rotation is ACGME as you indicated J.R. had told you.

[Junito]

If you look at the initials after the BIG CHEIF at the hospital who is K.F. it states D.O. and not M. D. May be that is part of the problem. They still haven't updated their website to indicate the Surgery rotation is ACGME as you indicated J.R. had told you.

Um..I said the Surgery rotation is ACGME affiliated, doesn't change the status that the residency at Wyckoff is AOA. It is just affiliated with the ACGME accredited residency at Caritas (i.e. Caritas sends over residents to Wyckoff for one or two months of training). I don't understand why the big fuss.

[Kronos]

NYC is always packed w/ PEOPLE. in addiiton, there will be about another 1 million coming to NYC by the year of 2012, which will make the NYC's population reach almost 10 million and more expensive to live!

Wow, that is a frightening thought. I can't imagine how that would even further change the boroughs. It is already ridiculously expensive, even here in Brooklyn or Queens near the hospital, where converted lofts are going for 1500 or more.

Manhattan is already packed tight - and you only have to look at the 4-5-6 on a commuter hour to see there is really no more room for more people... we're talking sardines here, with worse BO. Where is everyone going to live? East New York?!

All the hipsters are taking over Bushwick and Myrtle because of the crazy rents even in W'burg and Greenpoint.

[azulpanther]

gentrification

[drjohnwebb]

Wow, that is a frightening thought. I can't imagine how that would even further change the boroughs. It is already ridiculously expensive, even here in Brooklyn or Queens near the hospital, where converted lofts are going for 1500 or more.

Manhattan is already packed tight - and you only have to look at the 4-5-6 on a commuter hour to see there is really no more room for more people... we're talking sardines here, with worse BO. Where is everyone going to live? East New York?!

All the hipsters are taking over Bushwick and Myrtle because of the crazy rents even in W'burg and Greenpoint.

Not only hard to live, hard to practice. A friend of my (an med mal attorney, no doubt) was telling me about a neurosurgeon he deposed recently. The guy lives in Chicago and only makes $160,000 a year. He said he has to go between 3 hospitals to make a living. The problem is, specialist (and others) want to live in metro areas. There were so many neurosurgeons and orthos there, he couldn't make a great living. However... the neurosurgeon the firm associates with, to help depose docs, makes over 1 mill working outside of Atlanta.
It is one thing to look at when going into practice. No one wants to work this hard to get where they want to be... only to fall short of making a living.

[drjohnwebb]

No, I believe that as long as the rotation has residents rotating through there you will be fine. This meets the state board requirements, otherwise NY would not allow us to rotate for Peds at Wyckoff or SJEH. You can only do rotations in NYC that are either ACGME or AOA and if you recall Wyckoff doesn't have its own official peds residency.

Juni, I hate to ask you this, but you seem so to know everything..LOL..
( I mean that in a good way, I promise)

Do you know if the rotations in Atlanta through GMC are green? I saw a post you did on what the AUC site had listed, just wondering if you had heard anything else since then? I PMed American IMG.. he wasn't sure..

I'd love to do all mine in Atlanta (only 3 hours from home), but.. I would also like to get all ACGME rotations...

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.. as always.. you are an asset to this site, SMU and the medical profession.

[MD777]

juni always knows "things"? this guy is a survivor...and doing well...

however, was i right about this market almost a yr ago? did i predict this was going to happen, when you were arguing w/ me about what i was predicting the NYC rental market then?

here he is (Kronos right in NYC) already talking about what i predicted a yr ago...

do not make a MOVE unless you are forced to or for better reasons for your own sake!!!

do not mind!!! when it comes to finance & computer, i have a very strong backgrounds...however, you folks know the bio science well since you were a young kid, whom i have to learn from to speed up...again, life is fair...we cannot have it all...right? we all share, then we all prosper!!

then, i simply wanted to help you and others...that is ALL.
Wow, that is a frightening thought. I can't imagine how that would even further change the boroughs. It is already ridiculously expensive, even here in Brooklyn or Queens near the hospital, where converted lofts are going for 1500 or more.

Manhattan is already packed tight - and you only have to look at the 4-5-6 on a commuter hour to see there is really no more room for more people... we're talking sardines here, with worse BO. Where is everyone going to live? East New York?!

All the hipsters are taking over Bushwick and Myrtle because of the crazy rents even in W'burg and Greenpoint.

[Junito]

I agree with you that the prices are going up, but I just don't need so many amenities (i.e. doorman). I live a few blocks from Wyckoff and I pay $1100 for a two bedroom in a decent neighborhood. I have a car so I could also find apartments in Glendale. I know that all the apartments along the "L" line will be going up due to all the people who could not find a place in Manhattan.

juni always knows "things"? this guy is a survivor...and doing well...

however, was i right about this market almost a yr ago? did i predict this was going to happen, when you were arguing w/ me about what i was predicting the NYC rental market then?

here he is (Kronos right in NYC) already talking about what i predicted a yr ago...

do not make a MOVE unless you are forced to or for better reasons for your own sake!!!

do not mind!!! when it comes to finance & computer, i have a very strong backgrounds...however, you folks know the bio science well since you were a young kid, whom i have to learn from to speed up...again, life is fair...we cannot have it all...right? we all share, then we all prosper!!

then, i simply wanted to help you and others...that is ALL.

[Kronos]

Good job Nostradamus. :roll:

juni always knows "things"? this guy is a survivor...and doing well...

however, was i right about this market almost a yr ago? did i predict this was going to happen, when you were arguing w/ me about what i was predicting the NYC rental market then?

here he is (Kronos right in NYC) already talking about what i predicted a yr ago...

do not make a MOVE unless you are forced to or for better reasons for your own sake!!!

do not mind!!! when it comes to finance & computer, i have a very strong backgrounds...however, you folks know the bio science well since you were a young kid, whom i have to learn from to speed up...again, life is fair...we cannot have it all...right? we all share, then we all prosper!!

then, i simply wanted to help you and others...that is ALL.

[got milk?]

I don't know about other groups, but in mine, no one teaches you how to do anything in the hospital.
When are we supposed to learn how to write orders and consults?

what are we supposed to know by the end of a rotation? esp internal medicine?

[MD777]

Juni,

http://www.valuemd.com/auc-med-school-clinicals/136992-wyckoff-rotations.html

why did you keep saying this place is NOT much issue? from AUC's, there seem to be many issues that do not please the students? i also have heard the same thing...

anyone in wyckoff, pls contribute your story! thanks in advance!

[Junito]

My experience has been that Peds & OB/GYN were the best rotations at Wyckoff. When I did IM there the intern that I worked with was great, so IM was a good experience for me. Surgery sucked, and FM & Psych I did elsewhere. Many people just love to whine, I just did my time and moved on. Was Wyckoff the best place? No, I have been at other teaching hospitals from one affiliated with Harvard with tons of teaching, to one with no teaching at all. The plus side with Wyckoff was that I was able to stay in NYC for all my cores (I opted to do FM elsewhere). That is my take. Now I have noticed that Wyckoff is taking in more students than it did in the past, which was not the case when I started there. A lot can change within a year.

[MD777]

i have known ppl who were already physicians in their native countries and came to do some residency etc in Wyckoff. they have nothing to do w/ caribbean schools process and said that the same thing too. Wyckoff is NOT that easy to deal w/ when it comes to learning.

in addition, it can change a LOT w/ a year, esp. they are taking on SO MANY students at the same time.

Juni, do you mind changing the moving logo, as it is quite difficult to read your post when the periph. vision also sees the quick moving image?

thanks in advance.
My experience has been that Peds & OB/GYN were the best rotations at Wyckoff. When I did IM there the intern that I worked with was great, so IM was a good experience for me. Surgery sucked, and FM & Psych I did elsewhere. Many people just love to whine, I just did my time and moved on. Was Wyckoff the best place? No, I have been at other teaching hospitals from one affiliated with Harvard with tons of teaching, to one with no teaching at all. The plus side with Wyckoff was that I was able to stay in NYC for all my cores (I opted to do FM elsewhere). That is my take. Now I have noticed that Wyckoff is taking in more students than it did in the past, which was not the case when I started there. A lot can change within a year.

[MedChe]

My experience has been that Peds & OB/GYN were the best rotations at Wyckoff. When I did IM there the intern that I worked with was great, so IM was a good experience for me. Surgery sucked, and FM & Psych I did elsewhere. Many people just love to whine, I just did my time and moved on. Was Wyckoff the best place? No, I have been at other teaching hospitals from one affiliated with Harvard with tons of teaching, to one with no teaching at all. The plus side with Wyckoff was that I was able to stay in NYC for all my cores (I opted to do FM elsewhere). That is my take. Now I have noticed that Wyckoff is taking in more students than it did in the past, which was not the case when I started there. A lot can change within a year.

thats why its important you get into a good residency program if possible...one that shares 50% work and 50% learning. Wyckoff is one of those hospitals thats 90% work and 10% learning....and that goes for med students and residents. Just whine less..work hard...get done with your cores..and move on :evil:

[Junito]

What??? You don't like your residency spot? Come back to Wyckoff then :twisted: I may end up doing an elective at Wyckoff by the way.

[MedChe]

What??? You don't like your residency spot? Come back to Wyckoff then :twisted: I may end up doing an elective at Wyckoff by the way.

i knew it..for all we know...you never left....i bet you did all your electives there:shock:

[got milk?]

how badly does surgery suck here?
does it depend on your preceptor, as in Medicine?
or does it just suck across the board?

I heard that the attendings cuss at you all day. I can put up with it though. I am not easily flustered.

Operations are cool and all, but all i need to learn is how to clean a wound and stitch it up well. I don't need more than that for family med.

[Junito]

i knew it..for all we know...you never left....i bet you did all your electives there:shock:

Nah, just decided to cancel my EM peds at St. Barnabas. Took the month off (really needed it). Not sure if I should do my elective at Wyckoff or Bronx-Lebanon.

[Junito]

Actually it turns out that I am not doing my last elective at Wyckoff...Actually doing my last elective close to Big Sky Country. :cool:

[azulpanther]

umm is that montana ???

[Junito]

umm is that montana ???

Not Montana, but close by.

[MedChe]

Not Montana, but close by.

nevada or new mexico?

[smu79]

nevada or new mexico?


lol...i dont think montana is either close to NM or NV.

[whereistheidnotinuse]

In one of the letters from clinical coordinator, it said that at Wycoff, you need a specific physical exam paper. Also some formal apparel for Wycoff?? I thought I'd ask anybody who were already there about these before asking her. What kind of special physical exam paper do we need, and do we have to dress real professional at Wycoff? Any input is appreciated - thanks.

[Babydoc01]

Could someone please tell me if the pathology elective at wyckoff is greenbook or blue?. I was told it was under the umbrella of the ACGME Surgery( whatever that is) but i need something concrete telling ( and showing) me that is is green.

[Junito]

If you want to truly do an ACGME rotation in Path, apply for Long Island Jewish Hospital. The rotations there is affiliated with an ACGME path residency (and there is no associated fee). For NY only core rotations done within New York State lines have to be ACGME or AOA affiliated. As long as the core is ACGME or AOA, you are fine. Electives do not need to meet this criteria. Only Pennsylvania requires all cores and electives to be ACGME affiliated.

[Babydoc01]

As always.... thanks junito!

[MedChe]

If you want to truly do an ACGME rotation in Path, apply for Long Island Jewish Hospital. The rotations there is affiliated with an ACGME path residency (and there is no associated fee). For NY only core rotations done within New York State lines have to be ACGME or AOA affiliated. As long as the core is ACGME or AOA, you are fine. Electives do not need to meet this criteria. Only Pennsylvania requires all cores and electives to be ACGME affiliated.

you still on that acgme site? let it go!

[Junito]

Nah, I'm on Frieda now. ACGME no longer in style:p Don't you have a patient to see? Careful none of your patients get NMH...:shock:

[got milk?]

As long as the core is ACGME or AOA, you are fine. Electives do not need to meet this criteria. Only Pennsylvania requires all cores and electives to be ACGME affiliated.



wasn't there another thread where we said that most states require everything to be green? even electives.....

[docindistress]

Are the only green electives at Wyckoff GI,HEMONC, and Prev. Medicine. I noticed these being the only electives highlighted in Green on the first page. An answer to this question would be a huge help as Wyckoff mischeduled my electives and let me know the friday before a monday rotation. Thanks for your time and help in responding.

[UFTim]

It says affiliated programs are

Gastroenterology (IM) :
144-35-12-185 Brooklyn Hospital Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1443512185,00.html)
Hematology and Oncology (IM) :
155-35-12-135 Brooklyn Hospital Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1553512135,00.html)[/URL]
Pulmonary Disease (IM) :

[URL]http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/inst/0,1238,350412,00.html (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,3203511148,00.html)

[doctornaz]

I'm from NY and I was told by my clinical coordinator today that if I do any cores or electives in NY, they have to be ACGME approved in order for me to later come back to NY for residency....this information contradicts whats stated earlier on this thread in regards to electives....Any help will be appreciated. Also, is the Neurology elective at Wyckoff greenbook?????

[UFTim]

I'm from NY and I was told by my clinical coordinator today that if I do any cores or electives in NY, they have to be ACGME approved in order for me to later come back to NY for residency....this information contradicts whats stated earlier on this thread in regards to electives....Any help will be appreciated. Also, is the Neurology elective at Wyckoff greenbook?????

This is an important matter, and your best bet would be to call the NY medical board.

[Banker794]

Did Wyckoff raise their fees? My tuition bill showed up saying that an elective there is now $345 per week - which is probably the highest fee charged by a hospital in the country !!

Anyone else notice the change?

[qtncaribbean]

yes i've noticed that...that's how they stayed in business. Neuro at wyckoff is kinda tricky...if someone have any information on that please let me know.
But this is what i've found out...the neuro dept is acgme approved for internal medicine residents to rotate through it. But they don't actually have a neuro residency of their own. So according to the IM resident, and j, it is acgme. But what does that mean? No clue...bc when u look on Frieda...wyckoff is nowhere to be found under neurology.

[Jeep23Guy]

Sounds like neurology is not a green rotation, then. Unless they either have their own neurology residency or are listed as a "participating site" for another neurology residency, it's not green. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the case and I surely wouldn't follow the FP umbrella...

[Kronos]

Sounds like neurology is not a green rotation, then. Unless they either have their own neurology residency or are listed as a "participating site" for another neurology residency, it's not green. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the case and I surely wouldn't follow the FP umbrella...

Just finished Neuro at Wyckoff, there was no fellows or resident in sight, only the occasional rotating one from IM. You are with the attending at all times - it is actually a pretty good rotation, all things considered.

I highly doubt Neuro is greenbook there, how could it be without residents or fellows??

[Kronos]

It says affiliated programs are

Gastroenterology (IM) :
144-35-12-185 Brooklyn Hospital Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1443512185,00.html)
Hematology and Oncology (IM) :
155-35-12-135 Brooklyn Hospital Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1553512135,00.html)
Pulmonary Disease (IM) :

FREIDA Online institution information (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/inst/0,1238,350412,00.html)


I believe these are the only electives at WHMC with fellows. If an elective has rotating fellows from Brooklyn Hospital, then you know for a fact it is greenbook even if it is not listed on ACGME. However, some greenbook electives may not be listed on that site since it gets updated so infrequently.

[got milk?]

I believe these are the only electives at WHMC with fellows. If an elective has rotating fellows from Brooklyn Hospital, then you know for a fact it is greenbook even if it is not listed on ACGME. However, some greenbook electives may not be listed on that site since it gets updated so infrequently.


yes. only stick to the 3 electives above.

don't listen to the bullpoo JR tells you about all the electives being green. They're not. Neuro is blue until proven otherwise.
If in doubt, ask JR for the residency program numbers. If he can't provide them, then for sure you know it's blue.

When you go apply for state licensure, and they look up the program numbers, it will be found nowhere.

some states are very very strict, like nevada. If a state requires all green electives, there must be residents or fellows in it.

[Kronos]

When you go apply for state licensure, and they look up the program numbers, it will be found nowhere.

some states are very very strict, like nevada. If a state requires all green electives, there must be residents or fellows in it.

Nevada, Penn, and maybe Texas as far as I know... what other states definitely require all green electives? Cuz I know it can't be all states, only a handful.

[got milk?]

Nevada, Penn, and maybe Texas as far as I know... what other states definitely require all green electives? Cuz I know it can't be all states, only a handful.

dunno. but you can send 47 emails and find out

[qtncaribbean]

So is it green or not? This is so confusing. JR will give the IM program # by the way if you ask for it.

[got milk?]

So is it green or not? This is so confusing. JR will give the IM program # by the way if you ask for it.

ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access (http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/)

get the acgme program number and find out by double checking online.
Why would you want an IM # anyway? Neurology is a whole separate specialty. it's not under IM.

as far as i can see, there are no residents rotating through this. so no, not green.

if anyone tells you wyckoff is the affiliate of the affiliate of the affiliate hospital, and therefore, by extension, it is green............
they're full of poo.


the only hospitals with neurology residencies are

Albany Medical Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521066,00.html)
Albany, New York 180-35-21-066 Albert Einstein College of Medicine Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521070,00.html)
Bronx, New York 180-35-21-070 SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521079,00.html)
Brooklyn, New York 180-35-21-079 University at Buffalo Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521067,00.html)
Buffalo, New York 180-35-21-067 NSLIJHS-Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Long Island Jewish Medical Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521074,00.html)
New Hyde Park, New York 180-35-21-074 Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803513155,00.html)
New York, New York 180-35-13-155 Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521075,00.html)
New York, New York 180-35-21-075 New York Medical College at St Vincent's Hospital and Medical Center of New York Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803511078,00.html)
New York, New York 180-35-11-078 New York Presbyterian Hospital (Columbia Campus) Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803531071,00.html)
New York, New York 180-35-31-071 New York Presbyterian Hospital (Cornell Campus) Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521072,00.html)
New York, New York 180-35-21-072 New York University School of Medicine Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521077,00.html)
New York, New York 180-35-21-077 University of Rochester Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803531082,00.html)
Rochester, New York 180-35-31-082 SUNY at Stony Brook Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521081,00.html)
Stony Brook, New York 180-35-21-081 SUNY Upstate Medical University Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521083,00.html)
Syracuse, New York 180-35-21-083 New York Medical College at Westchester Medical Center Program (http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/pgm/0,1238,1803521076,00.html)


and none of these includes caritas or wyckoff.
wyckoff may be an affiliate of cornell, but still, no cornell residents rotate through wyckoff, and wackoff is not listed as a program affiliate, if you click the link above.

play it safe, and go directly to one of these hospitals, if you wanna stay in NY

[SummerB215]

I need help, I did Pathology and Radiology at Wycoff and I want to apply for my residency in New Jersey...Am I automatically not allowed to apply there now????



Summer

[elsko]

Hello, I am assigned to go to Wyckoff for IM, but I have heard horrow stories can you please let me know if that is the case? I hope the learning experience is decent,

Appreciate the reply, thank you,

E

[qtncaribbean]

IM decent at wyckoff. What you will get out of it depends on what you put into it. Not too much scut work so you will have lots of time to read, so be prepare to read on your own. Rounds are usually decent, but then usually you will have the rest of the time to do whatever you want. So...i would bring a book and read if i were you...unless you have other more important things to do (ny sightseeing)

[car4sale]

does anyone know what time orientation starts tomorrow (march 3rd)? and on what floor its held? thanks :)

[facemask]

And what if I do neurology at wyckoff and wish to do residency in NYS? Would this cause a major problem down the road?

[facemask]

Correction: What if I do neurology at wyckoff and wish to do residency in NYS? Would this cause a major problem down the road because I'm not sure about its "green" or "blue" status?

[got milk?]

Correction: What if I do neurology at wyckoff and wish to do residency in NYS? Would this cause a major problem down the road because I'm not sure about its "green" or "blue" status?

simple. do neuro elsewhere.

neuro is surely not green. no residents ever come through

[facemask]

Did any past student who either did neuro or radiology at wyckoff have any trouble with NYS Medical Board or obtaining Residency in NYS?

[got milk?]

Did any past student who either did neuro or radiology at wyckoff have any trouble with NYS Medical Board or obtaining Residency in NYS?

nys doesn't care.

[qtncaribbean]

neuro is acgme approved at wyckoff, so i don't think u would have a problem with residency in nys. It's acgme approved through internal medicine. Neuro is part of IM, and that makes it acgme even though they don't have a residency of their own. That's how it was explained to me.

[facemask]

thank you 'got milk' and 'qtscaribbean' for the info. any idea with radiology though? - i heard the hrs are short, but you review a lot of images with different attendings and is supposed to be a good elective. i like to take radiology as well, but am afraid of future repercussion with NYS licensure/medical board.

[Jeep23Guy]

neuro is acgme approved at wyckoff, so i don't think u would have a problem with residency in nys. It's acgme approved through internal medicine. Neuro is part of IM, and that makes it acgme even though they don't have a residency of their own. That's how it was explained to me.

Be careful who you listen to. While your statement may be true in some states, it is definitely not true in all states. Be sure to review your state's licensing rules. Neuro is NOT ACGME at Wyckoff. While it is possible that some states might consider it as equivalent with an "internal med umbrella," many states will not. Neurology is considered to be in the realm of Internal med, but it is it's own residency. For a rotation to be ACGME, there MUST be a residency/fellowship program at that site for that SPECIFIC rotation. For example, if a hospital has only an internal med residency with no other residency or fellowships, the only rotation that is green is internal med.

Believe me, I've really been researching the green/blue rotations (esp for Texas). In Texas, you must do all green rotations, OR rotations along with students from an LCME approved school (at the same site with the same preceptor) AND be able to get a letter from the dean at that LCME school to that effect.

[cantwait4md]

Hi Everyone,
I am looking to do some electives at Wyckoff like Adult Emergency, Pathology, etc... Are they green? The ACGME website does not list Wyckoff as green. Does anyone have any idea if they are green or not? Alternatively, which electives are green, and which aren't? Thanks.

[Jeep23Guy]

Hi Everyone,
I am looking to do some electives at Wyckoff like Adult Emergency, Pathology, etc... Are they green? The ACGME website does not list Wyckoff as green. Does anyone have any idea if they are green or not? Alternatively, which electives are green, and which aren't? Thanks.
I think you just answered your own question...

If they don't have residents/fellows in the specific field, they are not green.

[cantwait4md]

Thank you Jeep.

But, People claim that they are green. I want to practice in NYS later, so do I need electives to be green as well?

[got milk?]

NY doesn't require green electives.

[DrCannoli]

Does NJ require green electives?

[cantwait4md]

Hey gotmilk, can you please tell me where you got your source from?

[summerwind]

Thank you Jeep.

But, People claim that they are green. I want to practice in NYS later, so do I need electives to be green as well?

I wouldn't want to close any doors. State medical boards can change the requirements at any time. I would want all green electives if possible.

[charlottenian]

I wouldn't want to close any doors. State medical boards can change the requirements at any time. I would want all green electives if possible.

be prepared to do a US World Tour then in scheduling that

[dimipt]

gotmilk actually this is incorrect. As per NYS Medical Board all clerkships both core and electives must be green in order to get lisenced in NY state. See the e-mail below:
"Clerkships done in NY must be done in teaching hospitals with residency
training in the specialty of the clerkship.

L M. L
Program Assistant II
State Board for Medicine"

[cantwait4md]

I received an email response from NY state medical board that said that electives also must be Green. The email also responded to my question about Wyckoff, and it said "Not all electives at Wyckoff are ACGME accredited." Meanwhile, I asked my CC and I was told to ask Mr. JR. However, JR, responds by saying all rotations at Wyckoff are green. Of course he is not lying, because all rotations at wyckoff do make Wyckoff some green dollar bills.

[facemask]

in wyckoff, a friend of mine who has taken the radiology elective told me he has seen FP, surgery, and even DPM residents rotating/sitting there. would does count as being 'green' since there are residents in this rotation?

[UFTim]

in wyckoff, a friend of mine who has taken the radiology elective told me he has seen FP, surgery, and even DPM residents rotating/sitting there. would does count as being 'green' since there are residents in this rotation?

Not according to that email that was quoted on this thread.

Go to Maimonides and do a Rads elective. You fill it out online and they get back to you within a week.

[got milk?]

I received an email response from NY state medical board that said that electives also must be Green. The email also responded to my question about Wyckoff, and it said "Not all electives at Wyckoff are ACGME accredited." Meanwhile, I asked my CC and I was told to ask Mr. JR. However, JR, responds by saying all rotations at Wyckoff are green. Of course he is not lying, because all rotations at wyckoff do make Wyckoff some green dollar bills.

exactly. :rolleyes:

i wonder what kind of papers are fudged in order to satisfy NYS licensure.
cuz when you go to apply for a license, you have to submit program numbers and crap.
the worrisome thing is that, a lot of students doing electives at wyckoff want to practice in NY.

[Kronos]

There are thousands of students going through Wyckoff electives every year. I can't imagine that at license time, these thousands of people will be out of luck because of such uncertainty and the lack of clear answers.

[got milk?]

i've always understood that NY doesn't require green electives. that's why everyone rotating through wyckoff will be fine for licensure in NY at least.

[qtncaribbean]

That explaination was given to me the dept of IM at wyckoff when i called and asked them. It is true that in order for it to be green it has to have a residency...i don't know anymore. lol however, there are residents that are rotating in neuro at wyckoff. I can't take this green blue, purple, red stuff anymore. You sounded like you a lot about this stuff, so if u don't mind telling more about that would be great. Thanks

[Student@smu]

Hey guys, Just want to know if there is anyone starting surgery at wyckoff for summer?

[got milk?]

That explaination was given to me the dept of IM at wyckoff when i called and asked them. It is true that in order for it to be green it has to have a residency...i don't know anymore. lol however, there are residents that are rotating in neuro at wyckoff. I can't take this green blue, purple, red stuff anymore. You sounded like you a lot about this stuff, so if u don't mind telling more about that would be great. Thanks


what is there to explain?
it doesn't have a neuro residency. so it's not green.
it doesn't have a xyz fellowship. so xyz is not green.

[Student@smu]

Hey guys,
wanted to know if anyone is starting sugery at Wyckoff in May-june.. I have read about all the horror stories about sugery at Wyckoff.. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do well and get along with the staff? Is it really that bad? any advice or suggestion will be appreciated:) Thank you in advance........

[butterflymd]

You have to be really nice to surgeons in general they have really stressful jobs. Just act like they are god and you will be fine. LOL

[facemask]

from my experience, it's what you make of the rotation. yes, i believe the horror stories, but if you do your job, not make a huge fuss, and are professional and friendly to the attendings and residents, then it should be smooth sailing. make good use of any downtime you have - read up on your cases/procedures if they are scheduled the day before, do surgery kaplan/UW questions, and work your butt off - surgery is not supposed to be a day in the park, but you will look back and be proud of what you accomplished and realize how less strenuous the other rotations will be. my fifdy cents, i mean 2 cents:)

[wordman30]

Just work hard and you'll be fine.

[butterflymd]

Hey are SMU students allowed to do more than 12 weeks of core rotations in NY

[UFTim]

Hey are SMU students allowed to do more than 12 weeks of core rotations in NY

This isn't really the thread for this topic, but that 12 weeks only pertains to 4th year electives.

[Student@smu]

Thanks so much for all the great advice guys!

[dimipt]

SMU is approved by NY Education Department for completion of more than 12 weeks of clinical rotations.
If you attend a medical school that is NOT approved by NYSED you can still complete more than 12 weeks of rotations in NYS however you CANNOT get lisenced in NYS.

[got milk?]

here's a tip for all you future victims.

for OBGYN, make sure you impress the frickin PA's and INTERNS.

The 2 youngest PA's and PGY1s grade you. and if they don't know you, it doesn't matter how well you perform with the higher-up residents and attendings. You won't make the grade.

this is one rotation to avoid. it is entirely NOT performance based. it's about kissing butt.

[smu79]

here's a tip for all you future victims.

for OBGYN, make sure you impress the frickin PA's and INTERNS.

The 2 youngest PA's and PGY1s grade you. and if they don't know you, it doesn't matter how well you perform with the higher-up residents and attendings. You won't make the grade.

this is one rotation to avoid. it is entirely NOT performance based. it's about kissing butt.

while i agree with the first two points, i disagree with the last point. OBGYN at wyckoff is good. I have never kissed ***, and although i was told plenty of times that they dont give A's to students, I ended up earning an A from this rotation.

Regardless of who you are working with, PA's, nurses, residents, attendings- you should work as hard.

In fact, i think that obgyn and peds are the only good rotations at wyckoff.

[jjmalu]

while i agree with the first two points, i disagree with the last point. OBGYN at wyckoff is good. I have never kissed ***, and although i was told plenty of times that they dont give A's to students, I ended up earning an A from this rotation.

Regardless of who you are working with, PA's, nurses, residents, attendings- you should work as hard.

In fact, i think that obgyn and peds are the only good rotations at wyckoff.

Do people still get bumped from ob/gyn and peds?

[smu79]

Do people still get bumped from ob/gyn and peds?

as far as i know, ross was the only school getting bumpted.

[mike_brown]

hi,
I might be doing my IM in wyckoff. I heard good things and bad things about it. is there anyone who have an idea what's the hospital's reputation for IM rotation, coming down to your interviews?

I heard surgery is not good, and if you get an interview for surgery and did your rotation for surgery in wyckoff, they know its a not a good one (however I am not sure if this is the case in every interview and howmuch they know about every hospital)

does anyone have information regading this matter? heard similar stories...or know people who did their IM at wyckoff and now doing their residency in IM?

any help would be great, thanks ;)

[got milk?]

plenty of people get into IM after doing rotations at wyckoff.

don't worry so much about the rotation.
the one good thing about IM at wyckoff is that you get lots of time to study for step 2.
there's so much material to cover, i doubt any preceptor could do a good job covering it all.

[drj2b]

Anyone know if IM and Peds Sub-I is greenbook at Wyckoff?