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MrScottyMD

10-30-2003, 12:00 PM

I will post where I was accepted for interview and rejected for interview to future residency students at Saba to hopefully give them an idea where to apply.

I have only one outright rejection so far and this came from Loyola Internal medicine program in Chicago. (Not sure what they are looking for but they said this year they received 2000 applications) University programs I was invited to interview so far was UMDNJ, Jefferson, Drexel, Temple, Northwestern. Have not heard from Hopkins or Mass General as of yet. Im sure Mass General will deliver the death blow soon but Hopkins may be desperate because of their recent probationary status in int. med as their applications may be down somewhat. I have gotten an inteview at every single community hospital and university affiliated hospitals in int. med and fam practice program so I need not list them but they were in NJ, AZ, FL and PA.

I start my residency at Mayo Clinic on March 27th. They had a resident transfer and actually had a position for an early start for which I immediately requested and was granted after a commitee meeting. I will certainly do my best to pave the way for more Saba Students at least in Scottsdale Arizona if they chose this part of the country for residency. Mayo is certainly a first class program and the facilities needless to say are nothing short of spectacular and brand spanking new to boot. They are also a paperless system which means that every report is immediately dictated and every lab report, CT, XRAY, or whatever is immediately available to view with the report at any computer terminal. You will never have to go to a film library again to pull an imaging study of any type. NO WASTED TIME!!!!! Although I could have gone to Rochester MN or Jacksonville FL I chose Scottsdale as it is just absolutely gorgeous. (300 + days of sunshine per year with no humidity and beleive it or not Lots of Lakes for boating and fishing).

Good luck to all and I will continue to post or answer any questions of current or future students. Dont listen to the rumor mill about foreign medical schools and problems with licensure. Call the state directly and ask for the requirements yourself. There are a few problem states and quite frankly unless you have family their they are by far some of the worst economic states to practice in regarding medicine when looking at cost of living and physician reimbursement. I encourage all students to look up state medicaid reimbursements for states they are considering practicing in as this is a guage for reimbursement. (A worse case scenario if you will reimbursement schedule and the numbers will shock you). All states are not created equal. New Jersey leads the pack as one of the worst states to practice medicine in with one of the highest costs of living, lowest reimbursement rates for doctors (esp. medicaid which is horrific) and one of the highest malpractice rates for specialists and even FP. This is the reason I am high tailing it out of there. Go Mid West, Go South West (not in CA though) or go South East but stay the heck out of New England. Good Luck To All Scott Jones DC MS IV

MitchDC

10-31-2003, 10:40 PM

Scotty, I was informed that pre-match was no longer allowed and in fact in direct violation of ACGME policy. Is that correct? Do you still have to go through the match? Did your chiro degree serve our well as you applied?

Congrats!

MitchDC

stephew

10-31-2003, 10:50 PM

There was such an uproar, they are allowing pre-matching for the indefinite future. Congrats on your fine placement scotty.

Hopkins has a sort of reprieve (a chance to "Correct" their problems) and so I doubt they're desperate. But Beleive me, I wish to see more good IMGs along side with me there.

azskeptic

11-01-2003, 05:05 AM

Scott, since I live in Fountain Hills I agree with your take on the weather and I drive by the Mayo Clinic (and occasionally the hospital) nearly daily.

I wonder if you have an opinion on how to help other DC's keep from getting taken in by the correspondence medical schools that are pursuing them. You must get lots of emails from people asking about your transition from DC to MD.

Az Skeptic

Neuro4u

11-01-2003, 10:33 AM

Scott,

I have a question for you. I know that you have very high boards scores, so why Family Practice and not Internal Medicine?

Also, why not Radiology, Surgery, or Neurology?

I am just curious why you are going into Family Practice because most say the pay is the lowest but the hours are better?

I think if an IMG is offered a pre-match and a good one at that, then they should take it.

Good Luck and I am sure you will do very well in residency.

MrScottyMD

11-03-2003, 05:31 PM

If a chiropractor wants to get his MD he should only look to programs that do not offer advanced standing or any credit for courses done as a chiropractor as this short cut will blow up in your face. I truly beleive if you stick with Saba, Ross, St. Georges, AUC, MUA or St. Christophers (they are gangbusters with clinical sites) you will be okay. Many programs try to lure chiropractors into thinking they can go to MD school via the internet or offer some shortcut. If you see that there is a shortcut you should immediately steer clear. This is the best advice I can give. I get these types of letters almost weekly from every single rock in the carribean that has a medical school. I guess that they buy the mailing lists of every single chiro in the states. Chiropractic is getting hit hard especially in my part of the country and chiropractors are ripe for the picking from some rip off tiny medschool that is offshore that is promising the world. Just go the carribean, put in your 20 months or so in the basic sciences in one of the legit schools above and come back to the states for clinicals, it really is that easy and at least you know its legitimate and you wont get any nasty surprises down the road. Good luck. Scott

microphage

11-03-2003, 05:41 PM

I will certainly do my best to pave the way for more Saba Students at least in Scottsdale Arizona if they chose this part of the country for residency.

Oh come on, you gotta help out ALL FMGs right? :wink:

MrScottyMD

11-05-2003, 05:29 PM

I was rejected for interview at Mayo Jacksonville for Internal Medicine. It was a very polite letter but a rejection nontheless. Best of luck to all. Scott

stephew

11-05-2003, 05:31 PM

FP isnt the IMG of specialities;
that is you dont merely take FP because you didnt get into IM. Its very different field and some people prefer it.

rivling

11-07-2003, 01:30 PM

Hi, I am finishing the 1st quarter of my second year here at western states chiro college. I'm thinking about dropping out and going to SABA, other med-schools or PA school. Any feedback? My main reason is that I don't want the chiropractic profession to represent me as a doctor. There's more but I have to get to genetics class. Feedback from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
Tim Irving LMT :?:

dc2md

11-07-2003, 05:19 PM

I wouldn't think twice about it...go to med school!!! If you are at all questionable about your love for chiropractic now, you'll really hate it after you graduate. save the money and go to SABA or another caribbean school (SABA, AUC, SGU, ROSS); otherwise you'll have to wait til the fall of 2005 to go to a US med school. hope this helps.

rivling

11-07-2003, 06:17 PM

:shock: :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That helps alot. I'll look into schools other than SABA too.
-Tim Irving LMT

MrScottyMD

11-12-2003, 11:59 AM

I would not think twice about dropping out of chiropractic school. The profession has had splintered factions (being the ICA and the ACA) forever and unfortunately in part has lead to the profession's demise. Although most insurance plans do cover chiropractic the coverage is sketchy at best and nearly every plan has a severe cap on services or requires a referral or has a deductible so high that the person is a cash patient anyway. Workers Comp and Auto Insurance which use to be the cash cow for chiropractic in most states is dropping out like flies. In jersey and PA its all but gone. I respect what the profession can do for the patient and beleive in manipulation but at the end of the day you still have to feed your family and pay your loans and the default rate is the highest among chiropractors in the health care field. Its not that chiropractors are bumbs, they just can t pay back the loans. Roughly half of my friends who graduated with me are no longer practicing which is a crying shame. Over the last 10 years things have gone from bad to worse and the number of chiropractic offices that have closed here in New Jersey is startling. There have even been a number of law suits where students have sued their respective chiropractic colleges because of their inability to earn a living. On what legal grounds Im not sure but I know of one case where a student did get a tuition reimbursement. The bottom line is all of the medical professions have gotten wacked in healthcare but the chiropractic profession has been the hardest hit and I could not even tell my children in good faith that they should attend chiro school in fear that they will not be successful in practice. Chiropractic practice is competitive and even if you are the best marketer in the world and do weekly lectures, spinal screenings once a month, direct mailings, telemarketing, or even join management groups you can still fail and half do fail. My feeling is if you are going to spend between 100K-200K depending on what school you go to, do all of this work youll have to do, the least expectation you should have is to be able to pay your loans back, feed your family, and put a roof over your head. In becoming a chiropractor those basic expectations are not a given and that is quite unfortunate. Best of Luck and go to med school if you are able.

Sincerely, Scott Jones DC MS IV

MrScottyMD

11-12-2003, 03:46 PM

There was such an uproar that the NRMP had to repeal their decision and extend prematch at least for the 2004 match. I have no idea how much longer prematch will be available. To tell you the truth if you are a good canidate I think Prematch is a bad thing. If you are a student who barely scraped by and have low board scores then prematch is a good thing as you would be flirting with the possibility of getting no interviews and waiting for the scramble. The more spots that are left open at match time the better for a qualified candidiate. Just interview at alot of programs and I think youll end up at a place thats higher on your list. I may sound like a hippocrit since I signed a prematch contract but the only reason I did is because they offered me an early start. Im 40 and will be finished school in Jan. 2004 anyhow and will have ECFMG certificate by mid Feb. and I would have had close to 6 months down time before the normal July 1st start, so the fact I now start March 22nd is a good thing. Most programs dont offer Prematch anyhow and the ones that do you have to ask yourself why??? Im not saying all programs that offer prematch have problems but if they know they can fill why do it?. I just happened to find a program that was good that was short a resident otherwise the prematch and early start option would not have been there for me. Best of Luck To all, sincerely, Scott Jones

MrScottyMD

12-03-2003, 04:08 PM

Mass General
Johns Hopkins
Loyola
U of Penn
* All above for IM

*** and a an FP program in Clearwater- they must really have a hard on for foreign grads as this was the only FP I got a rejection from. So final tally was 33 interviews 5 rejections and two mediocre programs that have yet to respond. So for those of you who are worried, just do decent on the boards and dont listen to the nay sayer bull crap that invades this forum periodically. Saba was the best 50K I ever spent and if its 65K its still a friggin bargain. Best of Luck to all, Scott Jones DC MS IV

azskeptic

12-03-2003, 04:51 PM

millerhd84

12-10-2003, 10:14 AM

Hi Scott,
Just wanted to congratulate you on your residency match. I enjoyed having you as a student in Path. I on Saba and I know you will continue to be a success. I just completed by course work as an MD scholarship student and will sit for step one :D in April.
Best wishes.
DMH

StewieMD

12-31-2003, 09:49 AM

Just to add my 2 cents here. I have been offerred interviews in some of the following places for Psych: Mayo (Rochester), Wayne State (Detroit), Loyola (Chicago), CWRU/University Hospitals Cleveland, and Hennepin (Minneapolis). The Mayo interview went extremely well (even though it's not in sunny Arizona). I was rejected by 1 program, U Michigan (Ann Arbor). All in all, pretty good so far, for a Canadian citizen and IMG, who only started applying in mid-November.
... and Saba helped me get up to this point so far!

Hey Scott, how's it goin, eh?

MK