All Saints University of Medicine

[Davata]

I would like info. on the All Saints clinicals? Is there anyone who knows if the university really offeres clinicals in US teaching hospitals? Which hospital and where?

What is the overall rating? The school cliams that the listing on WHO is on its way, how truthful are they? Please comment...Thank you

[The Republic]

Please go only to reputable schools.

[IMG X-Files]

All saints by no means is a reputable medical school......better spend your money on schools that have history producing quality physicians.

AUC, ROSS, UWI, SABA, MUA, SGU are some of the better ones out there !!

[Dr_Implacable]

I would like info. on the All Saints clinicals? Is there anyone who knows if the university really offeres clinicals in US teaching hospitals? Which hospital and where?

What is the overall rating? The school cliams that the listing on WHO is on its way, how truthful are they? Please comment...Thank you

Check their websites for updates. All their rotations are conducted in accredited US teaching hospitals. You will have to contact the school for more information.

[Just Thinkin']

What do you think about AUA?

[drsandyppc]

thank you all members!

[dbass]

Please go only to reputable schools.

what is the advantage of the more reputable school? Obviously, neither St. George's or All Saints is an american school. The latter is about one-fifth the price. In all practicality, what advantage does one receive in going to St. George's over All Saints. I'm asking because I want to know, not because I want to put anyone on the spot.

[st_55]

hey you know i would have to say that you get what u pay for... a lot of these schools that have a lower tuition boast about how they are a great school and that they have a good rate for passing the boards and mold their students to be good physcians...becareful because alot of them dont...i know some students that took a whole year off to study for their boards and had to teach themselves what the schools were suppose to teach them. another thing with the newer schools...it maybe hard to apply for residency...with the older schools for the most part you wont have that problem...so if u cant afford sgu then i would try one of the other schools but my opinion is to keep away from all saints unless your a hundred percent sure that u wont encounter any problems in going there...and dont ask any of the schools because alot of them will lie to u because this is their way of making money. i am not trying to bash all saints but i just want u to really think about it because u are putting in alot of time and money so u want to make sure that you are secure in recieving a great education...okay i hoped this helps:)

[Dr_Implacable]

In the end it really doesnt matter what school you go to, so long as you have the accreditation to write USMLE/MCC exams. Some of the older schools give 2-3 months to prepare for step1, while newer ones can be more 'generous' in offering a few more months to prepare for your boards. This would have to be taken up with the Dean of Academics of the school.

There are no issues with residency. Only issue for licensure is with the states that require their own approval for each school (ex. california, etc).

With ASUM, you have to write step1 after basic sciences, before you can do your clinicals.

For the board exams, its upto you on how well you prepare yourself. Not based on what school you go to. A school may help you motivate yourself in some ways for the boards, but in the end you are all that is to be accounted for. All you have to do is study.

[specialknyc]

Aside from the fact that this school is new, what are the real problems with it? I understand that people oppose it because presently there might be more viable options. However, I can not understand why anyone would say that the school is bad simply because they have not proven their track record. I will be the first to admit, I do not contain all of the information about this school. The fact that they have two campus sites to me seems positive. The fact that a company may run them, to me is actually more of a positive than a negative, asumming they have a good business model. Anyways, I guess I am looking for any real reasons why this school should be avoided. Anyway, if anyone has any info, it would be nice to hear...
Thanks ...

[pulmdoc]

i'm writing b/c i'm vacationing in aruba currently and was curious about their medical school. i gratuated from SGU, so I am also an IMG.

one nice thing about the aruba med schools is that aruba is a more devolped or closer to an american style of living than grenada. Although, life in grenada was not bad and very enjoyable.

however, in regards to the differnces when you graduate. unfortunately, there is a discimination for all IMGs when you apply for residency. chances are that you will be ranked below an osteopathic graduate as well regardless of your scores. i know for SGU and ROSS, there are a lot of alumni out there. this means that their colleagues will also be aware and respect these schools. this makes placemment in residency, fellowship, and future academic positions easier. if you underestimate this factor, you should not! it helped me obtain residency and fellowship positions. the other factor is that QUALITY clinical rotations in america are hard to come by. even for many osteopathic students, quality rotations are difficult b/c we rotate at many of the same institutions (that's how i met my wife, an osteopath). this is not to discourage anybody, but i had to go through this process blind and very scared. In the end i'm in a great place and thigs worked out well for myself and my colleagues. i would not let anybody tell you that you will not be a good physician if you go abroad, but if you can choose a school, pick a school with an established reputation

[specialknyc]

pulmdoc:

I appreciate your post very much. I completely understand what you are saying. I am glad to see things worked out well for you and your wife.

[what up doc]

Well i am no expert but from what i come to understand about Residency is that it is entirely based on individual performance (how you do on USMLE steps). And as for clinicals, from my friends from US med school they say that all caribbean med schools are bad... So i guess it doesn't matter what caribbean school u go to cuz in the end its not a US med school.........

[Dr_Implacable]

I am glad it has worked out for you. Schools who have reputation is mainly due to their age. With age, any school grows and so does its alumni numbers. To keep it short, it depends on how well motivated you can keep yourself, sometimes regardless of the school (so long as there are proper accreditation) and to be able to score well on the USMLE exams. There are many things you can do besides the board exams to make your residency profile more attractive. Having the name of the school (i.e. Caribbean ones) is not one of them.... I've got this info from several licensed doctors in the U.S., who happen to go through the caribbean system.

[pulmdoc]

i was shocked how a residency program compile their rank order list.

there are 2-3 tiers that most places use. the 1st tier is usally a rank order list for us grads. the second tier is usually for DO. the third tier is for IMG. most residency can rank up to 99 applicants in total.
the concern for most residency is their reputation and ability to attract future applicants. they are afraid of haing too many IMGs, even if they have better STEP scores.

it is an unfair system, but as an img attending residency with other us grads, i received more honors than they did. again, if you are determined and work hard, very little can stop you. a good doctor is not about scores, a lesson everyone learns during residency.

[ayuze86]

i would not let anybody tell you that you will not be a good physician if you go abroad, but if you can choose a school, pick a school with an established reputation

Oh, several years back when it was only one medical school on the island, people picked only one school and they attended only that school, right?

I was just wondering if they were able to get places in the US for their rotations and residency programmes..... If they were able to get places in the US for their rotations and residency programmes as at that time, how did it happen when the school did not even have alumni or the students did not have colleagues to assist them?

Thank you.

[ayuze86]

All saints by no means is a reputable medical school......better spend your money on schools that have history producing quality physicians.

AUC, ROSS, UWI, SABA, MUA, SGU are some of the better ones out there !!


Hi there,
I visited one of the website links you provided and I saw something interesting. I quote "Accreditation Guidelines for New and Developing Schools (http://www.caam-hp.org/documents/2.1-Accreditation_Developing_Schools.pdf)" @ CAAM-HP (http://www.caam-hp.org/)

My questions are: Does that mean that CARICOM realises that there will always be new medical schools springing up and they are not against new and developing schools? On their website, they even have guidelines for new and developing schools. Are we saying that within the next 100 years, there should be no new medical schools on the island? It's not very clear to me. These schools you were referring to as "better ones" where not "better ones" several years ago (I mean when they were 6 or 5 months old), is that right?

Thank you.

[DOC82]

Every school is a new school at one point. I currently know All Saints students that have scored high 80s and 90s on there step 1 and are in some good rotations.

[Beachdoctor]

anyone here from Asum Aruba that is a new comer to the school , I would like to hear from them , and can anyone tell me how to start a thead or topic .....I am interested in knowing about one school at a time , just have 3 choices and Aruba Asum is the foremost , I need to hear from the students there , everytime I get on a thread that has all saints .....the discussions eventually reveals its about Dominica regards