Licensing for Spartan

[emerson24]

I suggest that if anyone cares to do some RESEARCH on their own as well to pitch in, that would great. I am going to attempt to make this post just for Licensing information only. Well see how that goes. Also, may be a good idea if each program works together and keeps posts of info just for your school. Things get a bit chaotic when people are asking about licensing all across the board. But whatever works for each.

As stated before, Idaho won't license you unless your school was running before 1975. I think Dan Quale may be the exception hehe. Oops, I broke my own rule, that wasn't licensing info :P

Alabama wrote me this : The Alabama State Board of Medical Examiners does accept applicants for licensure who graduated from Spartan University. This medical school is listed on our suspect school list and we require applicants to submit their passport for the time period that they were attending the school.

** I deleted the response to the next question, "what is suspect" He said that you must provide your PASSPORT to show you were at the instution. I wonder how this all came about. I suggest you keep all your paper work etc in a file. Because you may have to show verificaiton of things down the road :?
EDIT: I found it ---
Spartan University is one of the schools that the Board requires the
applicant to submit their passport indicating that they were indeed onsite
during their medical school training.

ADDITION:
The Florida Board of Medicine does not have any special regulatory issues regarding you clerkships other that you core clerkships must be done at ACGME approved residency programs. We do not have specific requirements relating to a specific medical schools. I hope this helps.
** I believe this contradicts what someone else has been told via phone or email ? (kirst ?) was it you ? Stating we are not allowed to do Clerkships in Florida, perhaps you can add your conflicting info ?

Maryland : If your school has an affiliation with an LCME accredited medical school in the states, and the post graduate training you receive is in an ACGME accredited program, this Board will accept the training as long as you successfully complete 2 years in a clinical program. ( this response does not address other criteria that are necessary for licensure. )MGOLDMAN@dhmh.state.md.us

[mindprobe]

This is great information for prospective as well as current Spartan students. I also hope that people take Picard's advice under the heading subject "Clinical Sites" to heart.

As for the passport issue, I think I can address why the Board is requiring that. Years back, people would enroll in Caribbean schools but they would not attend classes; they would enroll, and only fly back to the island where the school is to take exams. Most of the time was spent in the US, not matriculating. That is probably why this Board requires proof of the dates you were in the foreign country (allegedly studying :lol: ). There was a BIG stink about this, and so now I believe that all Caribbean schools institute a mandatory 80% attendance for all classes to be able to sit for the final examination in a class.

Just my theory.

[emerson24]

I definately took Picards post to heart. Very informative.

Here's additional info on Florida I dug up from an email. It's copied and pasted.

FLORIDA

Florida has no problem with any specific international medical school. At the current time licensure requirements require that your school be listed in the WHO directory (Spartan is listed) have a valid ECFMG certificate and have at least two years of ACGME approved training in one specialty area. Of course the law and rules can change and we have no way on knowing what the licensure requirements will be at the time you apply.

Hope this helps. If you would like to speak with someone please feel free to contact:
Chandra Prine
Program Operations Administrator
Florida Board of Medicine
(850)245-4135
Chandra_Prine@doh.state.fl.us


HAWAII

Please be advised that Hawaii's licensing law does not contain any
requirements regarding the curriculum. With regard to medical schools,
Hawaii currently accepts medical degrees from foreign medical schools
(FMG). Whether we would accept the schools you listed can't be determined
until you file a completed application with our office. Please keep in
mind that in general, graduates of FMG would also need two years of
residency in an ACGME accredited residency program in the U.S., ECFMG
certificate or certificate of Fifth Pathway and passage of the USMLE.


IDAHO

Attached are the rules for foreign graduates, as you can see any medical
school that graduated its first student after 1975 would not be approved
in Idaho.The schools you listed are all unapproved schools in Idaho, in
order to licensed in Idaho you would have to meet the requirements of
subsection 053. These rules were adopted in 2001 and are unlikely to
change in the near future. The Board has not granted any waivers of this
subsection.

b. If the foreign medical school issued its
first M.D. degrees after 1975, the school must provide a site visit or
documented evidence of equivalent evaluation efforts acceptable to the
Board is required.
(3-30-01)

I would suggest you go to their website for thoroughness if you WISH to be in Idaho. By the sound of (B), it can be worked around ??

MONTANA

You will need to meet the Board's qualifications and
requirements for licensure. Please consult our website
www.discoveringmontana.com/dli/bsd/med for the Statutes and rules with
regard to minimum qualifications and requirements for license.
Statues
37-3-307, MCA Qualification for Foreign Medical Graduates
37-3-306, MCA
Rules
ARM 24.156.502 Approved Medical Schools
ARM 24.156.501 Definition
ARM 24.156.508 Approved Residency
ARM 24.156.603 Application for Licensure
ARM 24.156.607 Graduate training requirements for Foreign Medical Graduates
ARM 24.156.608 ECFMG Requirements

I trust these statutes and rules will address your concerns.

For example you will be required to have a diploma from an approved
accredited medical school, accrediting agency is listed in the board rule
24.156.502. As a foreign medical school graduate you are required to
complete 3-years of residency in an approved program. You will be required to that and pass the ECFMG. for further information you will need to much more specific with your information, for example the name of the medical school etc.

VIRGINIA

The Virginia Board does not have undergraduate requirements. You may apply for a license in Virginia if your school of graduation is listed with the AMA or WHO and you have met the requirements by law and regulation. You may obtain a copy of the law and regulations on our website at www.dhp.state.va.us. Go to Licensing Boards. Board of Medicine. Laws and Regulations.

WEST VIRGINIA
I am attching the requirements for medical license in WV. We do not
have curriculum requirements, just receipt of the M.D. degree from a
school approved by the LCME or by the Board. Currently, the only school
not accepted is San Juan Bautista in Puerto Rico. crystallowe@wvdhhr.org

[Jojo]

Mindprobe, Kirst, Emerson24 and all the great guys over there using there time to research and share on great and beneficial issues, my "kuddos" to you all.

Thanks in a million and please keep it up

[emerson24]

I appreciate the kind words.

I will keep sharing info, but it also helps when other people make a contribution too. That is the only way things thrive and we can help each other. Perhaps some people are not in a position too, that's fine, just saying the more input the better for all.

EDIT: I erased the rest, I was trying to convey a thought on something and after reading it, it just didn't come out the way I had intended it to. I thought maybe someone would have taken my efforts to help, and think that I was being.........not nice (in lack of a better word)

:D

[louloo]

Hey everyone,

Over the past while I have found out some state licensing information that I will share with you.


Washington State
Eligibility Requirements for Foreign Medical Graduates

·MD Degree or equivalent (MBBS, etc);
.2 years of post graduate medical training accredited by the United States Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME), the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (RCPSC), or the College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) – unless you graduated from medical school prior to July 28, 1985 then only one year is required;
.successful completion of a national licensure examination: National Board of Medical Examiners (NBME), Federation of State Medical Boards Examination (FLEX), United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE), or the Licentiate of the Medical Council of Canada (LMCC); and
·a standard certificate designated “valid indefinitely” from the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) – in place of the ECFMG certification, successful completion of a Fifth Pathway Program or licensure prior to 1958 in the United States.

Note: Do not require any specific pre- med pre-req's. As well, Spartan graduates are approved by the state board for licensing. Any more information please contact Robert Nicoloff @(360) 236-4945 or www.doh.wa.gov, please verify your own information.

MAINE
Contacted this office, ask for Susan @ (207) 287-3601 was informed that Spartan graduates needed to be looked at on an individual basis to determine if they were eligible for licensing. As well, require specific pre-med pre-req's.

NEBRASKA
003.02 License Based on Education Received in a Foreign Country
003.02A To obtain a license to practice Medicine and Surgery on the basis of education received in a foreign country, an applicant must:
003.02A1 Have graduated from a school or college of medicine which is
substantially equivalent to an accredited school or college of medicine in the United States or Canada;
003.02A2 Have successfully completed three (3) years of approved graduate medical education;
003.02A3 Have been issued a permanent certificate by the Educational
Commission on Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG); or

Note: Called on Friday and left a message for someone in the office to return my call, trying to see if they consider Spartan equal to a US or Canadian school...keep you posted. For more info call (402) 471-2118 or visit www.hhs.state.ne.us/

New Hampshire
Licensure Requirements

•Obtained the M.D./D.O. degree or its equivalent as determined by the Board;
•Completed at least 2 years of postgraduate training in the U.S. or Canada approved by the Board, or its equivalent as determined by the Board;
•Successfully passed a national licensing examination sequence (or its acceptable hybrid combination) as approved by the Board on each examination, including:
•National Board of Medical Examiners (NBME) Part I, II and III;
•Pre-1985 FLEX or FLEX Component 1 and 2;
•USMLE Step 1, 2 and 3;
•NBOME Part I, II and III (or COMLEX);

Was in contact with Bruce @ Tel. (603) 271-1203, Spartan graduates are looked at on an individual basis and things they look for is postgraduate training, clinical clerkships, examination history, board action history and ECFMG Certification.

Hope this helps, I will keep trying to get licensing information for additional states.

Laura :D

[Kirst]

Great inputs everyone, it's so wonderful to see prospective, current, and former students as well as graduates frequent this forum with valuable information and useful advises!

Below are some facts you may find worthwhile to keep in mind:

DC, NJ, MA: Require one year of Biology and Inorganic Chemistry coupled with one term each of Physics and Organic Chemistry.

CA, DE, KY, LA, MI, NE, NJ, NY, NC, PA: Require Green Book rotations

PA: Require 4000 hours of medical training, accepts no FMGs for clerkship

IL, WY, VA: No transfering during Clinical Sciences

FL: Accepts no Spartan students for clerkship.

Most states require passing of USMLE I, II, III, and CSA within 7 year period.

I would recommend everyone to verify with state boards directly to make sure.

[louloo]

Hey everyone,

I just got a response from Colorado Board of Medical Examiners, I will cut and paste the response below.

Dear Ms. Murphy,

Spartan Health Sciences University is on our Board's list of questionable
medical schools. If a physician applies from this medical school without
board certification - then they will be denied. If they become board
certified, then our Board would consider their application on an individual
basis.

Sincerely,

Jan Seewald
Administrative Assistant
Colorado Board of Medical Examiners
1560 Broadway, Suite 1300
Denver, CO 80202
Phone: (303) 894-7716
E-Mail: jan.seewald@dora.state.co.us

I fogot to ask about greenbook rotations and pre-req's, so here is the answers to those aadditional questions. Its funny though, in this one she thinks I am a doctor :D
Note: Feel free to contact her for more information.

Dear Dr. Murphy,

No Pre-Med requirements, per se.

All postgraduate training must be completed at ACGME/AOA postgraduate
training programs in the United States or Canada.

Sincerely,

[emerson24]

Great inputs everyone, it's so wonderful to see prospective, current, and former students as well as graduates frequent this forum with valuable information and useful advises!

Below are some facts you may find worthwhile to keep in mind:

DC, NJ, MA: Require one year of Biology and Inorganic Chemistry coupled with one term each of Physics and Organic Chemistry.

CA, DE, KY, LA, MI, NE, NJ, NY, NC, PA: Require Green Book rotations

PA: Require 4000 hours of medical training, accepts no FMGs for clerkship

IL, WY, VA: No transfering during Clinical Sciences

FL: Accepts no Spartan students for clerkship.

Most states require passing of USMLE I, II, III, and CSA within 7 year period.

I would recommend everyone to verify with state boards directly to make sure.

Great info Kirst, really great. I would like to disagree with you tho :twisted: That IS ahem, If I MAY :wink:

Ok, here's where I disagree. I have gotten a email reply from someone at the Florida Board stating that there are no problems with a spartan student rotating in Florida. I have posted it as you have probably seen above. I have also talked to an 'informant' who has the same information. They also make mention of "greenbook rotations" and their take on it. I seriously think we need to go back to your source and reconfirm.

Here is the excerpt per thier request:


1.
X amount of states will only accept you if you have greenbook rotations.

* Foreign students are the only one's saying greenbook rotations (don't use this term, you will sound like an idiot in the clinical world). Now back to what i was sayin', spartan is a foreign medical school..right, so therefore, theorectically, students will have most likely done their training outside of the united states. That's why is called a foreign school (not to be condescending). What is really going on, some states require that foreign students, or gradutes have had at least 12 months or whatever it is that they require of clinical training in the U.S.

Technically you could do all of your rotations in Barbados and never set foot on U.S. soil, as long as you have the requirements you can apply for residency, providing that the state does not require 12 months of U.S. training.

2.
Florida accepts no foreign students.

*I used to think this was true, until 5 of my friends did all or most of their rotations in Florida. There are spartan graduates in Florida from my siblings class who did their clinical rotations in Florida. The office should be able to confirm this info, because they processed their paperwork.


Well, their you have it. If anyone can see reason why this may be incorrect or if you have any additions, please post. Thanks.

[Kirst]

As I tried to explain before, this office only deals with foreign medical
schools/clerkships, NOT with licensure of doctors. You must contact the
Board of Medicine for the answers to those questions.

Spartan is not approved for clerkships. Clerkships are the only thing this
office deals with. The only licensed foreign medical schools at this time
are St. George's, St. Matthew's, Ross, American University of the Caribbean,
and Saba (provisional license).

I hope this information is helpful.

Sandra Knight
Commission for Independent Education
Florida Department of Education

Chris, I'm not sure what your sources are... but the above email is where and how I came up with "FL: Accepts no Spartan students for clerkship." This is probably the 4th time I posted the above email to verify my source with regards to FL clerkship approval for Spartan students.

[emerson24]

Well perhaps something has changed in the last couple of years.

[Kirst]

I received the email from Sandra Knight last month.

[emerson24]

I received the email from Sandra Knight last month.

Right, I was meaning that since the other people did rotations there, perhaps the laws have changed. I"m aware that it was the a month ago.

[chip]

Because your medical school has been disapproved by the Medical Board of
California you are not eligible for licensure in Texas.

Please review board rule 163.1(10) at
http://www.tsbme.state.tx.us/rules/rules/163.htm#1631.

And the CA board website at
http://www.medbd.ca.gov/Unapproved_Med_Schools.htm

[raj]

Spartan alumni was elected Resident of the Year 2001 by the Florida's Radiology AssociationI think u are wrong. dobule check it.

Dr. Douglas Hornsby, a current fellow at the Harvard School of Medicine's affiliated Brigham and Women's Hospital at Boston, Massachussetts, was elected Resident of the Year 2001 by the Florida's Radiology Association. Dr. Hornsby performed his Radiology Residency at the prestigious Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, Florida and earned his undergraduate degree from Lemoyne-Owen College in Memphis, TN.

[Kirst]

Spartan alumni was elected Resident of the Year 2001 by the Florida's Radiology AssociationI think u are wrong. dobule check it.

Dr. Douglas Hornsby, a current fellow at the Harvard School of Medicine's affiliated Brigham and Women's Hospital at Boston, Massachussetts, was elected Resident of the Year 2001 by the Florida's Radiology Association. Dr. Hornsby performed his Radiology Residency at the prestigious Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, Florida and earned his undergraduate degree from Lemoyne-Owen College in Memphis, TN.

According to the email I received from Sandra Knight, Florida disapproves Spartan for CLERKSHIPS, not residency or licensure.

[Kirst]

CLERKSHIP = CLINICAL ROTATIONS IN 3RD/4TH YEARS OF MEDICAL SCHOOL.

To put it in the most simple language, YES you can get residency and be voted the most amazing Radiology resident in FL. YES you can get licensed and be the most successful Internist in FL.

But NO you CANNOT rotate in FL for CLERKSHIPS, AKA 3rd/4th year CLINICALS.