Come To St. Martinus This January

[smrtdoctor1]

Come To St. Martinus This January

The admissions for January trimester is in progress. You can apply online; the admission officer will get back to ASAP.

St. Martinus University is approved for EduCap’s loan to learn, St. Martinus approved for EduCap's Loan Program (http://www.valuemd.com/thread41415.html). You can apply online by following link, http://www.loantolearn.com/step1.aspx?channel=68 (http://www.loantolearn.com/step1.aspx?channel=68).

There are various other Financial Aid and scholarships are available. Please check the link below, http://www.martinus.edu/pop-up_banner/finaid.htm

If you want to contact current students, please feel free to PM or Email me. I will provide you with student contacts.

St. Martinus University welcomes you all to visit our campus. You can come over and check the facilities and infrastructure yourself. Come To St. Martinus For Free* (http://www.valuemd.com/thread41786.html)

Very soon St. Martinus University’s representative will be holding open house and information seminar’s at various places in US and Canada.

I will keep you informed. If you want to meet University representative please PM me I will give you the contact info. In US and Canada.

[MissPixie]

Sigh, another one of those infomercials... Your posts are really advertisements.No?

Everyone, do please go for an interview at St Martinus but read this article well, before you do so that you will be on your guard.

If you go to the St Martinus website you will read in the section entitled Welcome to the Faculty of Medicine, and I quote" St. Martinus University ...............is thoroughly familiar with medical programs in the Caribbean." One supposes that this means that St Martinus offers an American type education as is offered in the other "offshore Caribbean Medical Schools." So one is not surprised to find that the programme below is the advertised programme at St Martinus. After all this is much like that found for all "offshore Caribbean Medical Schools." EXCEPT FOR ONE THING! And you will only know this when you actually ENROLL. So prospective PARENTS and VICTIMS BEWARE!

ST MARTINUS DOES NOT FOLLOW THE SEQUENCE BELOW. IT FOLLOWS A HODGE PODGE SLAP DASH SEQUENCE THAT SUITS THE VERY LIMITED RESOURCES OF THE SCHOOL. THE SEQUENCE FOLLOWED DEPENDS ON THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS AND FACULTY. THE RESULT IS THAT FACULTY MEMBERS TEACH SEVERAL SUBJECTS, INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN THIER AREA OF SPECIALTY. As a student there for a few semesters, I saw it at work first hand.

The American Medical School Educators set up their system of education in a particular sequence to facilitate the students passage through the program.

All genuine "offshore Caribbean Medical Schools" follow this particular sequence except St Martinus.
When you go for your interview ask for the true teaching semester schedules for the last six to 8 semesters. Ask them to show you what subjects were offered in each semester for each of these semesters, and check and see what have been taught, and see if I am telling lies by noting carefully the contrived fables that smartdoctor will be asked to post in response to this note.



This is St Martiunus' cvurrently advertised programme.

PreMed I

Biology I

Chemistry I -Inorganic Chemistry

Physics

Medical Terminology

PreMed II
Biology II

Chemistry II- Organic Chemistry

Medical Ethics

Informatics

PreMed III
Anatomy

Physiology

Biochemistry

Informatics II

When you go for your interview, ask them how many times PreMed II and PreMed III have been offered in the school's three year existence? Ask them how many times the PreMed I program has been offered? Then if you are in PreMed I program, and really weak in the Sciences, ask them what will happen to you the following semester if there are no students admitted in the premed program, to make it cost productive to the school to hire teachers to continue the Pre med program? Will you get the required background to facilitate your progress through medical school.

You will ask why so much is being made of this. The Answer is simple. In his post on June 1st this year entitled info on St Martinus, Dr Hawkins does not mind telling a lie or two such as "All five semesters of Basic Sciences are here on Curacao." This is a big big lie. This is just not the case. The situation at St Martinus is more of a slap dash, hodge podge situation. ,,,,, a sorta mix and match situation .... a sorta patch the hole to suit.

Dr H also gave a white lie and half truth when he wrote "About half our faculty live on the island permanently, so there is consistently good teaching from semester to semester." He told the truth when he said that "About half our faculty live on the island permanently." He, Dr C and DrE Dr M are the only teaching staff members, at the time when he wrote, who were residents of the island. But this also establishes the veracity of our statement a few weeks ago that only seven staff members were at St Martinus last semester, because a number of teaching staff members found difficulty in returning to the island or coming to the island during the current calender year. Those who make it in, do so by telling the authorities lies about thier purpose for visiting Curacao.

When you go for your interview be sure to count the number of staff members you meet, or see around, because all five semesters of Basic Sciences are NOT offered at ST Martinus simultaneously as represented and advertised on the St Martinus website.

It is as said a few months ago. St Martinus is fraudulantly advertising a program/service that it does not give.The result is if you fail a course this semester, you will have to wait 4, 8 or 12 months before you can take it again. You will have to take it when it becomes available- not when you wish to take it.

Also, you do not have to necessarily fail a course to extend the length of your Basic Science program.If there is no teacher for your preferred course, or if there are not sufficient students enrolled, you will have to wait until the course is offered again, subject to availability of staff and students.

When you go for your interview, ask them how come that Medical Ethics is offered in PreMed 11 and in MD 5.
MD1

Anatomy

Embryology

Biochemistry

When you go for your interview, ask them how many times Anatomy, Embryology or Biochemistry have been offered in the three semesters of this calendar year. Ask them why it was that Anatomy or Embryology were not offered in the May 2005 semester? Ask them if it is not true that there were not enough students to justify hiring an Anatomy teacher to teach the only student in the school that needed to take Anatomy. The only student who enrolled that semester. Then ask yourself, what will happen to yourself some way down the road, when you really need to take a course, and there are not sufficient students for the course, because there is no teacher.

Ask around, and see if they are any students to whom this has happened.
Ask around, and find out at which other medical school in the world that such deception occurs.
MD2

Histology & Cell Biology

Physiology

Genetics & Molecular Biology

When you go for your interview, ask them how many times these courses were offered in the three semesters of this calendar year, 2005. If they are honest, they will tell you that Genetics & Molecular Biology were last offered in the fall semester last year. They will tell you that Histology & Cell Biology was not offered in the May 2005 semester, because the teacher was on maternity leave, and because there was only one new student who needed the course. They will tell you that the courses above are offered at the convenience of the school, when they are sufficient students or a suitable teacher.

When you go for your interview, ask them how it is that there was no Physiology in the January semester.They will tell you that the teacher was on maternity leave.

MD3

Microbiology & Immunology

Neuroscience

Public Health, Biostatistics, Epidemiology

Again when you go for your interview, ask them how many times these courses were offered in the three semesters of this calendar year, 2005. If they are honest, they will tell you that both Microbiology & Immunology, and Neuroscience were only offered once, and that Public Health, Biostatistics was last offered in the fall semester last year.

Note well at St Martinus, some courses are often offered only after an interval of a whole calendar year or more. As will be the case of Public Health, Biostatistics, Epidemiology, and Genetics & Molecular Biology when these courses are next offered.

MD4
Pathology I

Pharmacology

Physical Diagnosis

When you go for your interview, ask them how many times Pharmacology and Physical Diagnosis were offered in the three semesters of this calendar year, 2005. If they are honest, they will tell you that both these courses were offered only once. Ask them how come this semester the MD 5 course Psychology & Ethics is offered to current MD3 students this semester, when this course is listed as a MD5 course. Ask them what will this teacher teach next semester, since there will be no students for this course, seeing that they are currently no MD4 students.

MD5

Pathology 2

Psychology & Ethics

Clinical Medicine

When you go for your interview, ask them if Pathology 2 is being being offered this semester, and if not, why not. Ask them if Pathology 1 will be offered next semester.

I welcome you to experience the St. Martinus University difference! It certainly is a difference. When you have yourself examined the deception, you will see why it is that students transfer from St Martinus, when they decipher the deception there.

I am here looking at a class picture taken in the January-April semester this year. Guess what only 5 of the 13 students in that class are in school at St Martinus this semester.

Take the tour, and see for your self that the statement that "St. Martinus University has over two decades of experience in developing medical school programs in the Caribbean" is obviously false.

This is true only of the former and first ever Dean of the School. He is no longer at St Martinus, and as Dr Hawkins himself has admitted, is not at all involved in the day to day running of St Martinus. As far as I can tell, he has only been there once this calendar year.
Listen out now for the fragile, lame response of the St. Martinus University administration, and their spokesman. Listen to them blame A B C and any and everyone. Listen to thier efforts to divert attention from the truth, and from the facts. Oh listen! Listen! Its going to be hilarious.

As they say MOUTH OPEN.......STORY DROP OUT.

Oh by the way, you will not find students on this forum saying anything negative about this school, because once they use the school's server to send or recieve emails, it can, and is monitored by the administration.

There are cameras and recording devices in the library and one of the classrooms that monitor what is said. More of this another time.


edited for names.

[Pixie]

Guy’s I told you but you all don’t believe me. Misspixie is V booksie, worst teacher of my life. Smrtdoctor you are really not so smart, you cannot make out who the hell is he. Any student from St. James will recognize this pot bellied prof. When he walks in the corridor, students run away, why? He stinks. His pheromones are very strong for all us to stay there, just run which ever way you find. Just kidding but it’s the truth.

He is suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder. He should be admitted to mental home, kept under close supervision. I told you he has been kicked out of 4 schools. I already informed my school about his activities, they will never hire him. I will mail all other Caribbean schools not to hire him. There are many reasons for that. First of all he doesn’t know to teach. He is very untidy. His eating habit, his satiety center is destroyed. He is a psychiatrist patient instead should be admitted to hospital.

V Booksie don’t try to fool, get back to some work. May be US govt. will appoint you to clean toilets. He cannot go back to Barbados as he is banned from entering the country. You can go and check his posting from other user name. Compare the postings truth will come out.

He can teach multiple subjects, but students never understand any single of them.

My carrier got waste because of this fat, bulky guy.

Do you want me tell more of your stories or should I stop?

[smrtdoctor1]

Misspixie,
I think you very negative person. What ever I write or even some one else write you try to distort the post. I don't want to comment on your **. It's all lies, you are trying to move away from facts. You are just writting your own views. I will post what the current students think about Martinus, how do they feel here. When I get their reply's I will post. You will know the truth.
I ask all prospective student's not to go by this anonymous misspixie's word. She is a chronic liar, all baseless talk. Please beaware of these distractors. I ask you all to visit St. Martinus to know the real truth. When you all are starting with new school why to beleive someone whom you don't know. Look yourself you will know the truth.
I don't know who ever this person is. But one thing I am preety sure he has some kind of behavioural problem.
Anyone who has taken behavioural sciences in Basic Sciences could easily diagnose this person having narcissistic personality disorder—he fits all criteria and I could give examples of his delusions of grandeur, over-reacting to criticism, big big ego, etc but not worth time to write! He has a mental disorder that requires treatment.
Your main aim is destruction, by any chance you cannot achieve success by destruction. I know you have nothing to do, neither you are studying. This is the only way you can take out your frustration.
I wish you good luck with it. But you will never succeed by this way.

S

[Pixie]

I received a mail from teratos to edit the post. I have no clue how to edit the post. Please explain me, I am new to valuemd.
The prof. says he is taking out the truth. The same I am doing, may be my language is againt the tos but still the truth doesn't change.
The prof. is a big liar. His profession is writting on valuemd, after he is kicked out of any school.
Dude! trust me I have more info. about him. Nice job done V Booksie. As a prof. he is pathtic.
See you soon.

[smrtdoctor1]

Pixie,
I have sent you a PM, you can find in that how to edit you post.
I will personally advice to restrain away from writing about any faculty members Please don't drag the prof. in all this stuff.
Please don't write about faculty members.
The person you are talking about is no longer a faculty member at St. Martinus.
Very soon our updated website will on. Please check for more info.
Thanks.

S

[Dummy4Ever]

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF THIS KIND OF LANGUAGE?

JUST READ IT AND DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION!

WHO IS HE/SHE TO TALK OF BODY SMELL?

Guy’s I told you but you all don’t believe me. Misspixie is V booksie, worst teacher of my life. Smrtdoctor you are really not so smart, you cannot make out who the hell is he. Any student from St. James will recognize this pot bellied prof. When he walks in the corridor, students run away, why? He stinks. His pheromones are very strong for all us to stay there, just run which ever way you find. Just kidding but it’s the truth.

He is suffering from obsessive compulsive disorder. He should be admitted to mental home, kept under close supervision. I told you he has been kicked out of 4 schools. I already informed my school about his activities, they will never hire him. I will mail all other Caribbean schools not to hire him. There are many reasons for that. First of all he doesn’t know to teach. He is very untidy. His eating habit, his satiety center is destroyed. He is a psychiatrist patient instead should be admitted to hospital.

V Booksie don’t try to fool, get back to some work. May be US govt. will appoint you to clean toilets. He cannot go back to Barbados as he is banned from entering the country. You can go and check his posting from other user name. Compare the postings truth will come out.

He can teach multiple subjects, but students never understand any single of them.

My carrier got waste because of this fat, bulky guy.

Do you want me tell more of your stories or should I stop?


QUESTION: WHY DO YOU WIPE YOUR REAR AND FLUSH IT AWAY IN THE TOILET?
ANSWER: BECAUSE OF BAD SMELL OUT OF YOUR DAMN BODY!

QUESTION: WHY DO YOU USE TAMPAX AND THROW AWAY?
ANSWER: YOUR BODY HAS BAD MENSES SMELL.

QUESTION: WHY DO YOU WEAR HEAVY PERFUME TO COVER YOURSELF?
ANSWER: BECAUSE YOU SMELL LIKE A SKUNK WITHOUT PERFUME.

PLEASE DON'T EVER INSULT ANYBODY.

MSPIXIE VOICED AN OPINION. HE DID NOT INSULT YOU STUPID SKUNKY SHE DOG!

[smrtdoctor1]

I personally think no one should write this type of stuff. It bad, plus involving someone who is not aware of.

[Manny22]

the st martinians are wild

[vtrain]

the st martinians are wild
word - f'shizzle m'nizzle

[MissPixie]

The last three months have been trying as illness and the struggle to grapple with Pathology and perhaps trying to take too many courses in one semester took its toll. But now that I have some time to rest, and read and write on the forum, I must say a few things as I read the awful insults levelled at my former professor as the St. Martinians sought to identify the author of my posts.

In my last post on this thread I predicted '' Listen out now for the fragile, lame response of the St. Martinus University administration, and their spokesman. Listen to them blame A B C and any and everyone. Listen to thier efforts to divert attention from the truth, and from the facts. Oh listen! Listen! Its going to be hilarious."

Well did I lie? You saw the responses didnt you?

Nobody has any right to throw undeserved insults at another, or to also insult the decent folk who follow this forum . After all dont we live in democratic societies where people must be able always to freely voice their opinions and of course their dissent?

Criticism is one thing, but blatant insults are another matter altogether, and such disgusting language is certainly not becoming of doctors to be.

The powers that be responsible that allowed this insulting fiasco do not see it as their fault, due to the simple fact that they are so accustomed to being lord and master over all they survey and touch that whatever they do is right in their sight and woe unto whomever oppose them, for the wrath of victimisation will be brought down on one's head.

The administration, moderator and students of this school should in my opinion examine the litany of complaints presented so as to put things right Instead of being bitter, they should strive to be better.

The administration, moderator and students of this school should check the approach that moderators and students of the other schools use in responding to cricism. Worse of all they have blamed an innocent person for my posts.

There is severe criticism of Xavier and AUA on this forum, but no one will see insults hurled at any poster on these fora like those seen on the St Martinus forum, in response to my posts. No one has tried with facts to refute what I have said. All they have done is hurled insults at a person who worked very hard at their school, just because he has posted against other schools in the past.

Mike Caesar's post have proved that I have spoken the truth.

None of my posts are as provocative as these seen on the XUSOM forum.

Go there and you will see headlines such as
Problems at Xavier? or
xavier on downhill or
Xavier is just a scam! or
Whats the future of Xavier? or
Mass exodus from Xaviers to All Saints or
Xavier Lost Cause or
What kind of school is this?

If you read the responses, on the XUSOM forum, however you do not see anyone descending to the depths as they do on the St Martinus forum.

Careful perusal of both the AUA and SJMS fora will show that similar nasty posts have been made about everything under the sun. Yet the responses are proper, and this school contains to grow by leaps and bounds despite all the criticism.


It is very clear that, unable to refute the logic of my arguments, St Martinus administration and its assigns have attacked who they think is my person using, an old debating tactic designed to win an argument but not to arrive at the truth.

In doing so, they are demonstrating the fallacy and the problem of the presumptuous, a carelessness in evaluating objectively, and a commitment to erroneous opinions.

St Martinus' are not interested in any facts about the standards they claim to hold so dearly. They are interested only in the condemnation, dispensing with, and muzzling of anyone whom they think are opposing them.St Martinus' is not interested in even considering the claims of those whom they think are opposing them.

They need to realize that pride in one's knowledge often results in blindness of what is really happening around them. St Martinus' is a perfect example of those people who let prejudice (prejudging) and superficial evaluation blind them to the truth.

St Martinus' needs to learn rebuttal with facts is always preferable to attacks with insults.

As the man whom they insult would say, as he quotes his favorite book JUDGE RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT AND NOT BY THE APPEARANCE

In the posts of Pixie, and smart doctor we see some students, or administrator or representatives of St Martinus in a very very poor attempt to deflect their accountability for their improper program as presented in my simple posts.

The St Martinus defence seeks to discredit the source of their rebuke. Rather than being ashamed and convicted because of their incompetence, and inability to attract the number of students to make their school viable they resort to confrontation by villification.

Rather than responding to my post with verbal venom, and by telling us about a stinking professor whose teaching stinks, St Martinus representatives should seek to be better, rather than bitter. All that garbage about a professor is just a red herring across the trail.Who cares about the Prof that St Martinus does not like? St Martinus should seek to get on with the business of getting thier act together, rather than resort to confrontation by villification. And if they employ poor teachers then they should see that they should be held culpable for such a dirilection to doing due diligence on behalf of their students.


St Martinus continual deflection of accountability demonstrates that their is a great deal of truth in all the posts, and in the allegations levelled at them. All my posts report the plain truth . The authority in the statement of the facts indicates that I am both confident about the facts, and an eyewitness to the facts, or/and that my sources are eyewitness to the facts.

Smart doctor has repeatedly challenged everyone to come to St Martinus and see thier facilities first hand, because somehow St Martinus continues to believe that realestate is all that is needed to have a proper medical school.

The irony of it all is that wheras smart dr as moderator of the St Martinus forum allowed his pals to post nasty insults as he sought to defend his school is that he did not even graduate from the Basic Science program in the recent White Coat Ceremony there. Having spent a whole year there doing MD 5 and preparing for Step 1, he fled back to India.

If it is so good, why didnt he graduate?

[Magen-MD]

This is the first time I have read your writings and supposedly warnings! I just have one question. I could ask milliards of questions just from your one posting but I really believe it would not make any difference. I have therefore chosen to ask only one and make a little comment, if I may.

Personally, I have attended a few interviews. And the interview panels may range from as few people as 3 or 5 to 6 or 7 people. How can a candidate being inteviewed tell from such small panels of interviewers to define the faculty population/size? Since you are advising everyone to look out for such a factor as they go for interviews..... I mean, even if you went to any university campus or faculty, How would you tell as a visitor, without being told or without reading from a university calendar (which of course will have been writen by the university itself), the size of any faculty? That is if you don't count them individually (sensus taking, which is not even one of your premises).

In another posting you wrote:
:twisted: When he walks in the corridor, students run away, why? He stinks. His pheromones are very strong for all us to stay there, just run which ever way you find. Just kidding but it’s the truth. :twisted:

In another post yet, you wrote:
If it is so good, why didnt he graduate?
Come on! Misspixie, it is absolutely unfair to call things good because you benefit from them. It takes a highly principled and morally honorable person to say " hey I screwed up, but that is a great place to be".

You can't call a university bad because you failed to graduate. In fact, bad universities give good grades to students who do not perform. The dean's office becomes a centre for social engineering. Those are bad universities. So If it is so good, why didnt he graduate? If it is true that he did not graduate, it is because he screwed up maybe? Therefore, if a student fails and still calls the university where he failed a great university, I would trust such a person than any kind of ranting voice trying to block a flowing river with hands.

Read my other POST entitled "Wisdom in Passing"

My father always said, " I will help you if you need my help".

Misspixie, you don't have to push your help on people, they will come to you if they need your help.

:ald:
:)

[jameslynton]

This is the first time I have read your writings and supposedly warnings! ...1st - Most interviews for island schools are over the phone with one person. 2nd - Misspixie left St M and is in clinicals with another school now. She left me some PM's about the school. Are they true or not - I don't know. Was about a year ago. I would do your research. Many of the newer schools on VMD have cheerleader posters. So I would be very careful. Very few students post on VMD after they go to these schools. Whereas students from Ross, AUC, AUA, SMU, MUA-N, Saba and SGU post the good the bad and the ugly. So you need to ask yourself why?

[Magen-MD]

Hey jameslynton, I really appreciate your comment.

And to a degree it does confirm what I wrote and even worse/better, whatever one may call it, that the interviews are conducted by phone. So, keeping one's eyes open on phone (as she puts it) would not make one observe anything at all.

The fact is, whether the students from these new schools post anything on VMD or not, it does not tell us anything at all. It leaves us in limbo wondering why. But intellectually speaking, one may not conclude that it is because there is nothing good to write about. Rather, it may be due to the fact that everyone at these schools is new therefore they need more time to learn about the schools before they go mouthing to the world misleading people. While at Ross, AUA, SMU, MUA-N, SABA and SGU, being older schools with some track record to show and having students who have been there long enough to know these schools as write something about them. And there are those students that just don't care whether they misinform people or not. They can just come back after misinformation and claim paradigm shift in the reality of things, so to speak--I find this problematic and deficient.

Let's remember that these: Ross, AUA, SMU, MUA-N, SABA and SGU were once new too. And let's remember what founders like Robert Ross is saying: Dr. Robert Ross - Founder of Ross University (http://www.ross-founder.com/)
It is important, specially for the "doctor to be" to demonstrate superior degree of maturity and analysis. And try to be pacimonious with language. Without being nasty, disagreeable and exaggerating.

I love the individual University Surveys, they are very informative and straight to a point. Why not use them? I really believe they can make a difference to many prospective students. Than "dump-on innuendo" and propaganda. Attacking new universities is absolutely ironical. It is because someone had to start anew and break away from the tradition and restrictive conventions that we are here as med students and docs. Without these new beginnings none of us would be here today. So why get sucked into traditionalism and status quo? Haven't this been the cause of our diaspora today?

[jameslynton]

Hey - first there is a very real risk in the unapproved island medicals schools. I would strongly suggest you visit any of the islands schools before you go. Just because they put a number on a website of a pass rate - that means nothing. Talk to current students.

[dt]

My prophecy is St. Martinus U. is going to be within 5 years from now, one of the most powerful and best medical schools, I mean excellent med schools, in the Caribean and the world. Contact me, within 3 years, and remind me if I am wrong.

Kind regards,
:):):):):)

Doubt it, if their management maintains the same mentality as they do now.

[jameslynton]

Doubt it, if their management maintains the same mentality as they do now.I have to agree with this statement. They have neither the capital backing, teachers or infrastructure to become a power house school. If they don't have the infrastructure in progress now for five years from now - they are going no where. SGU, Ross & AUC took over 30ish years to get where they are. They all have a good solid building program adding more resources each year. I did not see that when I visited that school. Their location locks them in unless they move to a place outside of the city. AUA has purchased a lot and have a building plan on the island they are on. St James is also locked by location also.

[hasan1196]

I have been accepted in St. Martinus school for Sep 2007. Can somone who is living there or lived there, please tell me, how is the life on the island, crime rate and choices of resturants.

How is the school and so far how many students ( roughly)have actually got residency in US in 2005-06

Regards
**** Hasan

[Hawk-Eye]

Do what ever you want, i dont care what you do or where you go to school. sorry
good luck to you, though!

[mohamedelkhaloui]

wassup guys!
I was wondering which student loans are the most popular in St. Martinus now? since Signature loan will not be offered by sallie Mae to St. Martinus any more.

I am attending St. martinus in Sep. I am looking forward to speak to previous students, current students, and students attending in Sep. Email me at: elkhaloui@gmail.com.

[lion-or-castle]

Salliemae is pulling loan availability from all Caribbean schools not currently approved for Stafford loans (that only leaves, SGU, Ross and AUC). I would advise that you get in touch with the financial aid office to see what your options are (I do know that SMU has at least one other loan source option).

All the best.

[kodmd]

which one is that???

[PiredPiper]

All this makes for intersting reading, especially for some1 who will be attending SMU this summer...
are there any curent SMU students/forum moderators who are willing to give an insight of the current status of the school to date, either supporting these allegations that have been labelled against the school or quiet simply rubbishing these allegations.:faint:

Youre all welcome to PM or email me on mu505@hotmail.com

I look forward to reading your posts

[einsteinsbuddy]

Hi Everyone
I used to go to St Martinus. This school unfortunately turned out to be a nightmare for me. Students are horrible Professors are even worse and administration will never give you a straight answer. Only students that go to this school are the ones that cant get in anywhere else and because of that the education level of the institution is horrible. Premeds only have to do one to two semesters (essentially kids right out of highschool) in order to get in to the medical program. They have 19 and 20 year olds "graduating" and taking the usmle.. Many students unfortuantely comeout not even knowing what organic chemistry is. The tuition is a rediculous amount of money and forget about asking for a refund because you will not even be granted one. Students are more into thier social lives than studying and drag the whole campus down. If you are looking for a below mediocre medical education then definietley go to this school...if you want a good medical education definitely think twice before coming to st martinus:) .

[Martinus Admin]

All this makes for intersting reading, especially for some1 who will be attending SMU this summer...
are there any curent SMU students/forum moderators who are willing to give an insight of the current status of the school to date, either supporting these allegations that have been labelled against the school or quiet simply rubbishing these allegations.:faint:

I look forward to reading your posts

Hello PiredPiper,

How did it turn out for you after looking around ValueMD? Did you enroll at St. Martinus? Where are you now?

Martinus Admin

[greatdoctor]

This school is a mess. The semesters are messed up, due to lack of faculty, poor planning, some courses are taught by people who are not qualified to teach them. Truly, beware when you apply to this school. better still, Don't apply. As a student there, it has been a ghastly experience. And wait till you are ready to do your clinical rotations, and see what mess you encounter there In all likelihood, getting an M.D. from this school is a good deal of luck, taking a lot of nonsense from admin and faculty, and they don't even provide decent internet connection - they don't want to spend your money on YOU - who have paid for this garbage. As I said, Best apply to another school.

[Plato]

Hi GreatDoc,
I wonder if you can clarify when you started at St. Martinus and why you haven't elected to leave? You clearly feel strongly about encouraging people to stay away. I'd be interested in hearing more.
Would you mind answering some qustions?

Cheers,