I have St.Christopher College is not good

[faisal_786]

Hello everyoen,
I was planning to get admission in St.Christopher College of medicine, but I read some very disturbing things against it on the net. It was saying that the college does not has any formal buildings and is situated above Shops in a commercial plazas. And that the classrooms are very small and that the faculty is not good etc..
I am not sure wether this information is correct or not...
If someone has been to St.Christopher college, please tell me wether this info is correct or not...
Thanx

[robpabalate]

I am not sure how to answer your questions. I just finished Basic Sciences at this school and for whatever it is worth, what you read or hear and what you see and formation of your own opinion(s) are worlds apart. I'd suggest looking into other schools first and then apply to this school if you still feel strongly about it.
The school just acquired a bigger building as the student population is getting bigger. I'd advise that you come over, see and experience for yourself what St. Christopher's is then do the above. If everything else fails, trust your instinct...I did and i'm happy with what i've accomplished so far.

v/r,

Rob

[bts4202]

Hello everyoen,
I was planning to get admission in St.Christopher College of medicine, but I read some very disturbing things against it on the net. It was saying that the college does not has any formal buildings and is situated above Shops in a commercial plazas. And that the classrooms are very small and that the faculty is not good etc..
I am not sure wether this information is correct or not...
If someone has been to St.Christopher college, please tell me wether this info is correct or not...
Thanx

I am a 4th year student at st chris and that is not true at all. We have 3 buildings in Luton as well as a full university in Senegal.

The buildings in Luton are very large. In England, almost all commercial buildings that have a street side, will have shops on that street side. Parts of Oxford University have the same setup as do many other places. However, to explain anyways.... in york house, those shops would be part of the basement, then we use the foyer and 2 additional levels. In the admin building there are no shops, but it is a smaller building. the third building has 1 shop, but again, that is like the basement, even seperate from the foyer of the building. In total the space is at least 50,000 sq ft if not more (don;t really know, just estimating).

To answer the rest, I am not sure about the classrooms since there has been quite a bit of construction since i left. however, considering that the 6 year program has its own building, i imagine that people are not too cramped. As far as proffs, it is like anywhere, you will have some good and some bad. however, I think that most of our proffs are pretty good and I think most students echo that sentiment. You can see some of their qualifications here: http://stchris.edu/about/faculty.php

The best suggestion I can make is for yout o make a trip out to england and see the campus yourself. You will also be able to sit in on classes, meet proffs and students, and see how things are first hand. Good luck to you.

[robpabalate]

Faisal,

I guess I posted my opinion without responding to your questions:

The school have two bigger buildings for classrooms and labs, plus a good sized library. The first building with lecture rooms is now slated just for Basic Sciences alone. The newly acquired building will be for pre-med. At least these were the plans for this buildings as of 19 Aug 2005. It might still change. Each of the lecture rooms are equipped with audio-visual integrated components and i'd say comparable to most bigger schools.
There is a third building for the administrative offices and two floors of that building are offices for the professors. These are pretty good sized buildings per UK standards. There is a Pizza Hut restaurant on the bottom floor of the Baic Science building (Park Chambers Building), although it is not part of the school, nor will you smell or hear anything from this restaurant. Convenient it is though...especially if you are a pizzaphiliac. Anyways, the school is centrally located and as i've mentioned before, this is a full pledged school contrary from what others would lead you to believe.

V/r,

Rob

[selim007]

I visited St Christophers campus on Thursday18th August 2005 at Luton. A threee floor building opposite Luton University(British University). Further down the road(park street west) is where their office is. The receptionist was a 16 year old girl who new absolutely nothing. As a matter of fact she reported me to one of the lecturers for asking questions. I asked a lot of questions but could not get any straight answers e.g how many students are enrolled? For some reason everything seemed so secrative. I asked to be show around the building but they refused saying that i had to make an appointment. I couldn't understand this as I had turned up on their advice. I had spoken to them the day before.

I asked them for a copy of the time table which they reluctantley provided after confirming that I was holding an offer. I left the office and headed towards the lecture building which was not very big. I went into the building but was stopped by a the security guard who did not allow me entrance. He said that I had to be ecsorted by an official staff. I left in dissapointment. The building is located behind shops in the high street.
As a British student how can i be expected to pay thousands of pounds after this treatment. This college seems far too suspicious and secrative. I do not recommend this college to anybody. On the balance of probabilty it is far too risky and the suspicious behavior of staff doesn't help.

I have spoken to two asian student during my visit. They said the course was good and the staff were helpful. This is my experiance during my visit. Thank you.

[bts4202]

After the london bombings (and considering we have hundreds of americans in one building).. the admin instituted the policy that no one can get into the school without a school ID. You do need to make an appointment so that someone can be arranged to meet you. If you had even arranged it with some of the students on here, your trip probably would have been much more efficient.

[selim007]

Bts4202,

Earlier in your reply you say you have three buildings, now you have reduced it to one. Which one is true.

Talk about an objective view.

[bts4202]

Bts4202,

Earlier in your reply you say you have three buildings, now you have reduced it to one. Which one is true.

Talk about an objective view.

lol, sorry for the confusion. I meant hundreds in any one building at a given time. there are over 300 students on campus, so maybe 100 in the 6 year building and 200 in the basic science building (for example). The point was simply that precautions were taken due to the large numbers of concentrated americans.

[Darlyn3]

Hello everyoen,
I was planning to get admission in St.Christopher College of medicine, but I read some very disturbing things against it on the net. It was saying that the college does not has any formal buildings and is situated above Shops in a commercial plazas. And that the classrooms are very small and that the faculty is not good etc..
I am not sure wether this information is correct or not...
If someone has been to St.Christopher college, please tell me wether this info is correct or not...
Thanx

Dear Faisal,

It is good to hear that you are pursuing a career in medicine. I was a student at SC, and let me tell you, for the time that I was there, I had a blast. I won't say that Luton has a lot to offer, but others might argue this. The education at SC is more than just average. I have a number of friends there, smart ones at that, and I know for a fact that they won't stay in an institution that they feel isn't adequately preparing them for the USMLE exams, clinicals, etc. You just have to disregard what you hear from other students and make your own research. Call places, speak to current students, both basic and clincal students. Look up at the MATCH list and inform yourself. Make sure you know exactly which states you can potentially get an unrestricted license in so that you don't run into any unexpected surprises when you reach the very end.
This site is very informative for almost everything. Although it may sound as though a lot of the students here are selling the school, trust me, they are not. I'm not too big in bashing schools cause I've seen the unimagenable with students that have graduated from schools that are far worse than the worst you can ever think of and still, they have accomplished a whole lot. Take a trip down to Luton, for a few days to accomodate yourself, call the Luton office and ask to speak to one of the deans or anyone who will be willing to take you around the campus, etc. Finally, make your decision based on what you see, etc.
Remember, a lot of other students bash other schools because they think that they'res is the best to ever exists. Well, we all have our different opinions, and have differenct drives, expectations, and wants. The way to do it is: 1) You 2) You and 3) You, then comes everyone else.
To sum everything up, SC can get you to where you want to be, of course there are limits, but you can reach a lot of heights. The education is solid, they have made a lot of changes and are really expanding far more than anyone ever expected.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me or anyone in this forum, the top three being BTS, WHUDS, and ANSGENIOUS. They can give you information to anything that you are looking for.

GOD BLESS

D

[robpabalate]

I agree with bts...There was hardly anybody at the Basic Science building as everybody were drowning their post exam blues. The only students onboard were us, attending the Kaplan Review. And, yes, I thank that security guard and really appreciate that he did not allow anybody in the building without proper documentation...which I think you'd appreciate too, if you were in our shoes.

I am a student of the school and I still have to show my ID to the guard at the front desk whenever I walked in, therefore, whatever you experienced during your visit is not a mistreatment, just what the administrators ordered. I am sorry that you came at the most inopportune time.

Thanks.

Rob

[neilc]

a good policy, in general: trust, but verify.

in the past, st chris has always hid behind these little rules for secrecy. if you cannot independantly verify the grads (ie more than some current students telling you they exist), then it is always best to assume they are not credible. same for licensed grads.


at this point in time, it is still a risk to attend st chris, they still hide behind confidentiality (i find it amusing that you can only get guided tours of the campus...they prob don't want you to uncover an unhappy student while you are there, hurts the recruiting pitch...), they still WILL have issues in several states, and have only one verifiable licensed grad working in louisiana....other schools such as saba, auc, ross and sgu do not have these issues, and are a bit more transparent (see match list postings, complete faculty listings, no id badge locked door policy or cia clearance required for information, etc...)

choose wisely, and with an eye out for potential complications. why court disaster, when there are so many other good options. it is a great idea to visit a school, but all the nice buildings in luton, and happy students and whatever else they try to sell you won't help a lot in licensure time. visiting a school is a great idea AFTER the school meets your requirements. a nice campus is no substitute for a low risk future

[OLDPRO]

I visited St Christophers campus on Thursday18th August 2005 at Luton. A threee floor building opposite Luton University(British University). Further down the road(park street west) is where their office is. The receptionist was a 16 year old girl who new absolutely nothing. As a matter of fact she reported me to one of the lecturers for asking questions. I asked a lot of questions but could not get any straight answers e.g how many students are enrolled? For some reason everything seemed so secrative. I asked to be show around the building but they refused saying that i had to make an appointment. I couldn't understand this as I had turned up on their advice. I had spoken to them the day before.

I asked them for a copy of the time table which they reluctantley provided after confirming that I was holding an offer. I left the office and headed towards the lecture building which was not very big. I went into the building but was stopped by a the security guard who did not allow me entrance. He said that I had to be ecsorted by an official staff. I left in dissapointment. The building is located behind shops in the high street.
As a British student how can i be expected to pay thousands of pounds after this treatment. This college seems far too suspicious and secrative. I do not recommend this college to anybody. On the balance of probabilty it is far too risky and the suspicious behavior of staff doesn't help.

I have spoken to two asian student during my visit. They said the course was good and the staff were helpful. This is my experiance during my visit. Thank you.

Hi, I'm a current student and take some issue with your posting. I have been at the school for 9 months and you seem to be quick at making comments about a school you hardly know.
1. A secretary has nothing to do with education at the school.
2. Why should they tell you everything and give you access to the school without proof you are considering attending?
3. If you live in the UK then, tell me, no one rents thier property in the UK?
So St. Chris. Rents space for its school there is a new building also that opens in Sept. Other schools in the Carrib also rent buildings. Renting a building should not matter as to the education anyway.
4. I'm glad the security guard stopped you, they stopped me at Luton university across the street also when I went to get a pass over there.

If added security, good security bothers you then don't come to St. Chris, I for one am glad for a careing school. One who wants me safe!

Cheers.

[OLDPRO]

a good policy, in general: trust, but verify.

in the past, st chris has always hid behind these little rules for secrecy. if you cannot independantly verify the grads (ie more than some current students telling you they exist), then it is always best to assume they are not credible. same for licensed grads.


at this point in time, it is still a risk to attend st chris, they still hide behind confidentiality (i find it amusing that you can only get guided tours of the campus...they prob don't want you to uncover an unhappy student while you are there, hurts the recruiting pitch...), they still WILL have issues in several states, and have only one verifiable licensed grad working in louisiana....other schools such as saba, auc, ross and sgu do not have these issues, and are a bit more transparent (see match list postings, complete faculty listings, no id badge locked door policy or cia clearance required for information, etc...)

choose wisely, and with an eye out for potential complications. why court disaster, when there are so many other good options. it is a great idea to visit a school, but all the nice buildings in luton, and happy students and whatever else they try to sell you won't help a lot in licensure time. visiting a school is a great idea AFTER the school meets your requirements. a nice campus is no substitute for a low risk future

Ok there is some improvements needed with escorting interviewing students but it seems to me this person "Just shows up". Not good to do. Did this person even apply? Did they call and make an appointment? Appears not. I think if they are upset with good security and scrutiny of people who "Just Show up" then they can go somewhere else please. St. Chris will not "just drop everything" because someone "just stops in to take a look". THis was just after exams and it was the end of the semester.

Cheers

[Skipper]

there is a pizza hunt below the school--easy lunch acess--

skipper

[OLDPRO]

Hello everyoen,
I was planning to get admission in St.Christopher College of medicine, but I read some very disturbing things against it on the net. It was saying that the college does not has any formal buildings and is situated above Shops in a commercial plazas. And that the classrooms are very small and that the faculty is not good etc..
I am not sure wether this information is correct or not...
If someone has been to St.Christopher college, please tell me wether this info is correct or not...
Thanx

St. Chris leases its buildings in Luton. There are 3 large buildings now. It is quite normal for companies and even some schools like St. Chris to lease buildings in England. This in no way affects the school or the education at St. Chris. In fact the buildings have been customised for St. Chris. There is wireless internet through out. Each classroom has an lcd computer projector and sound system. I really don't see this as a problem since there are several schools in the carrib who do the SAME THING.

Anyway I'm quite happy with St. Chris.

Good Luck.

[bts4202]

I would feel much safer on campus knowing that the identity of each person entering the building is verified. The bombings in London reminded everyone of the real dangers that still do exist. I am very impressed that the school acted so quickly and responsibly to ensure the safety of its students. they even offered a shuttle service to take everyone to london for labs so they do not have to take the trains. I, personally, think that is too much and think that if londoners can stil ride the train, so should we.... however, i respect the admin for making such efforts.

[TAFKA]

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[OLDPRO]

I would feel much safer on campus knowing that the identity of each person entering the building is verified. The bombings in London reminded everyone of the real dangers that still do exist. I am very impressed that the school acted so quickly and responsibly to ensure the safety of its students. they even offered a shuttle service to take everyone to london for labs so they do not have to take the trains. I, personally, think that is too much and think that if londoners can stil ride the train, so should we.... however, i respect the admin for making such efforts. Hey of all the improvements that St. Chris has to do in the future, security is not one of them, they wont even let my wife on campus! lol

[neilc]

yeah, you guys are right...a potential student shows up, so it is a security risk. my god, don't let somebody walk in to admin and ask to be shown around! or, for god's sake, don't let him talk to students...

give me a break with the security crap. i can understand not letting strangers in just randomly to wander around. but, go to any respectable school in the US or the UK and ask to have a look, and they will find somebody to help you. but, not st chris. nope. the locations of the double secret clinical rotations may leak out! or, egads, somebody may ask to have a list of grads in practice.....arrrrrg!!!

oh yeah, thanks for the note to me ****...i appreciate that you took the time away from your fake british accent, and between your lies to program directors to reply. but, don't worry...i don't have any minions (or as st chris refers to interested students..."potential perimeter violators and seekers of classified documents". hahaha

[neilc]

there is a pizza hunt below the school--easy lunch acess--

skipper

well, they wont serve you luch at pizza hut without a school id, a criminal background check and a signed document stating that if you happen to overhear students discussing clinical locations or the names of those many, many grads (note sarcasm) with licensure, that mentioning these things will result in your swift demise.

can't be to careful these days. :rolleyes:

[microphage]

YOU LEFT ME OUT ****!!!! :mad:

[azskeptic]

NeilC, Picard, and AZskeptic:
This post is explicitly addressed to all users OTHER THAN YOU and, as such, should NOT be misconstrued as an invitation to post unfounded deleterious remarks about my school.

What is unfounded about saying that St. Chris is a Senegal school, teaching in Luton England and not under the UK supervision of medical school system, and is part of a Sufi/Islamic University in Senegal and as BTS says, an award winning Shayk is the head of the University and has hung out with Jimmy Carter. Also we could add that it has had a failed relationship with a NJ college due to the college discovering problems with licensure in NJ for St. Chris grads.

[neilc]

hey az...**** is under the mistaken impression that ALL deletrous remarks about the school are unfounded. but, i am of the strong opinion that st chris is full of well founded, real issues.

but, you can see how that would interfere with the delusions they have about the school. the solution: ignore the issues, pretend they do not exist, and convince yourself you are now english. **** is good at all of them

[LJG]

I visited St Christophers campus on Thursday18th August 2005 at Luton. A threee floor building opposite Luton University(British University). Further down the road(park street west) is where their office is. The receptionist was a 16 year old girl who new absolutely nothing. As a matter of fact she reported me to one of the lecturers for asking questions. I asked a lot of questions but could not get any straight answers e.g how many students are enrolled? For some reason everything seemed so secrative. I asked to be show around the building but they refused saying that i had to make an appointment. I couldn't understand this as I had turned up on their advice. I had spoken to them the day before.

I asked them for a copy of the time table which they reluctantley provided after confirming that I was holding an offer. I left the office and headed towards the lecture building which was not very big. I went into the building but was stopped by a the security guard who did not allow me entrance. He said that I had to be ecsorted by an official staff. I left in dissapointment. The building is located behind shops in the high street.
As a British student how can i be expected to pay thousands of pounds after this treatment. This college seems far too suspicious and secrative. I do not recommend this college to anybody. On the balance of probabilty it is far too risky and the suspicious behavior of staff doesn't help.

I have spoken to two asian student during my visit. They said the course was good and the staff were helpful. This is my experiance during my visit. Thank you.

I like you had visited SCCOM after visiting several Caribbean programs. I prearranged my visit with Mr. B. We had a set time of arrival and the Director and Dean after greeting us sat and talked about the program with me and my dad for a good 20 minutes before the tour began. We were provided with coffee, tea, and snacks during our discussions. Upon completion of our discussion we were given a full tour of all the facilities and told about future plans for expansion. During my visit I was also provided access to black board where all course information is available. This was limited access for three days, my dad (a physician) loved it. After our visit with the admin we were allowed to sit in on classes, visit labs, and speak with students, faculty, and staff in an unsupervised enviroment. Did I mention that our visit included lunch with Mr. B (on the school). We stayed for the full three days, there was nothing secrative and all answers to our questions were immediate. I guess good planning is the key, I did not have a positive visit in the Caribbean in comparison.

[AUCMD2006]

what is the likelyhood of terrorists attacking some african school in luton....luton for god's sake....thats about as likely as a terrorist attack happening in bustleing downtown skokie...better yet what are the chances of an attack on an Islamic based university

regardless SC has made improvements ...they are aquiring buildings, admitting more students, etc....in the end SC is a good option for students who otherwise can't get into 'better'* schools because if grades, failure or they just don't like the location of other schools....i don't care as long as they aren't being lied to openly like before....

*better schools are subjective and my own personal opinion based on lenght of practice, licensability, and decades of residency placement so until SC or any new school has a decent track record, practicing physicians in most states (more than 25), and permanent buildings (showing it just can't close up and reopen under a differntr name like in 2000?) i will not refer people there...

what does this mean to SC? well that the 1 person who asks me for med school advice each year will not attend SC so NOTHING....if it works out SC will be another option for students and if it doesn't i don't care it will not impact my future in any way wether SC thrives or goes the way of LMC, Kigezi, Grace, St Luke i will still owe 250k

[OLDPRO]

yeah, you guys are right...a potential student shows up, so it is a security risk. my god, don't let somebody walk in to admin and ask to be shown around! or, for god's sake, don't let him talk to students...

give me a break with the security crap. i can understand not letting strangers in just randomly to wander around. but, go to any respectable school in the US or the UK and ask to have a look, and they will find somebody to help you. but, not st chris. nope. the locations of the double secret clinical rotations may leak out! or, egads, somebody may ask to have a list of grads in practice.....arrrrrg!!!

oh yeah, thanks for the note to me ****...i appreciate that you took the time away from your fake british accent, and between your lies to program directors to reply. but, don't worry...i don't have any minions (or as st chris refers to interested students..."potential perimeter violators and seekers of classified documents". hahaha

Well Like I said one cannot just walk around LUTON UNIVERSITY security will ask you to leave. There must be some perceived security risk of unknown people just wandering around. Hey there was a link to the bombings and Luton. One cannot do anything without an appointment in many places in Britain why should this be different? Unless things have changed, The University Of Maryland Medical School located in Baltimore Md. Will not just let anyone in either. High security everyone has name badges / student IDs. A person just can't walk into the buildings to "look around". You have to make an appointment. (I worked at MIEMSS for 5 years) I think TERATOS would know what I'm talking about. SO this is just another oppurtunity to jump on the band wagon because some potential student drops by to check out St. Chris and now wines that they were not "Jumped to and catered to" because they are special (my mommy says I'm special). Give me a break!:toiletgr:. I think it is immature to expect such treatment. Hey to get into medical school is a privilage not a right. Students apply and bite their nails to get in Medical schools are not just waiting in blind anticipation for the next " customer" to show up, this is not a barber shop.

Hey I have an idea lets all get back to reality and disscuss REAL issues instead of this crap.

Cheers:microwav:

[teratos]

I don't see why a school is under any obligation to show people around without prior arrangements. Admitted or not, people sholdn't just show up and expect to be given the grand tour. This shouldn't even be an issue. G

[stephew]

I don't see why a school is under any obligation to show people around without prior arrangements. Admitted or not, people sholdn't just show up and expect to be given the grand tour. This shouldn't even be an issue. Gstop your crazy talkin' reason teratos.

[teratos]

stop your crazy talkin' reason teratos.

Sorry. Sometimes I think to myself..."what would a reasonable, uninterested 3rd party think about this situation?" Unfortunately, my thoughts sometimes make it on to the internet.....

Of course, why anyone would go to another country and just "drop by" unannounced is beyond me.

[oldquack]

funny - its just before start of another term, and yet again the usual suspects come out like the four riders of doom, from postings made by newbees, nobody has ever heard from before.

Oh i miss the X-files- they would have a field day with this- now which one is the smoking man

Part of me thinks its all a ploy to try to hit last minute enrollment, but then again if the students are scared off by this sort of tactic maybe they are not ready for the road ahead as non american Medschool graduates.

[AUCMD2006]

"Hey to get into medical school is a privilage not a right"

depends on the medical school...some have much higher acceptance rate.....

[OLDPRO]

Sorry. Sometimes I think to myself..."what would a reasonable, uninterested 3rd party think about this situation?" Unfortunately, my thoughts sometimes make it on to the internet.....

Of course, why anyone would go to another country and just "drop by" unannounced is beyond me. Oh I understand they are from the UK.

[selim007]

Hello People
I appear to have caused an uproar for which I apologise for. I think I need to make some clarifications.
1) My identity was checked at the office and as such was given the class time table
2)I had spoken to St christophers the day before and turned up in Luton furtherence to their advice. I didn't just turn up from space.
I had pleaded with them, telling then that I had driven 100 Miles to see this place and just needed two minutes to look at the building, this was refused despite the fact that there were a lot of lecturers hanging around the office.
3) all this was communicated to me Via a 16 year old receptionist, they did not even come down to speak to me.

I really wanted to go to this college, making freinds with american students. I as a person who is holding an offer and a person who turned up to pay them my deposit,couldn't they even come down and speak to me rather than leaving it to the receptionist to ask me to leave. I ask those who oppse my thread, is this fair treatment?
Thanks, selim

[OLDPRO]

Hello People
I appear to have caused an uproar for which I apologise for. I think I need to make some clarifications.
1) My identity was checked at the office and as such was given the class time table
2)I had spoken to St christophers the day before and turned up in Luton furtherence to their advice. I didn't just turn up from space.
I had pleaded with them, telling then that I had driven 100 Miles to see this place and just needed two minutes to look at the building, this was refused despite the fact that there were a lot of lecturers hanging around the office.
3) all this was communicated to me Via a 16 year old receptionist, they did not even come down to speak to me.

I really wanted to go to this college, making freinds with american students. I as a person who is holding an offer and a person who turned up to pay them my deposit,couldn't they even come down and speak to me rather than leaving it to the receptionist to ask me to leave. I ask those who oppse my thread, is this fair treatment?
Thanks, selim

I still have issues with what and how you say it.

First when you talked to the receptionist did you make an appiontment, that is not clear.

Second you were trying to arrange something during finals at the school. St. Chris is a small school and busy during finals. This week would be a better time, before Friday.

Third all schools have time tables to interview students you have to have patientce especialy if you want to be doctor.

Fourth if you would have posted on this forum your desire I would have helped you. It's not my job but I like my school and willing to help.

Fifth You still can't just walk around in the buildings without an escort untill you are attending. It's the rules. Thought the British understood the rules.

Sixth What in the heck do you have against a 16 yr old working anyway? I don't know if they are 16 but you keep coming across as no older than that cause you keep making a point about age. I think a 10 yr old could answer phones man get off the girls in the office and make a good point. Sounds like they were trying the impossible, trying to accomidate your demands, listen there are almost 800 students paying tuition to the school thats hundreds of thousands and you come off about a few thousand get real.
Have a little maturity and patientce ( I know I'm 41 and still impatient at times)

Sorry I was at school today and it was quiet since they are closing down Fri.

Cheers.

[selim007]

WHUDS, Your the person that threatend me for Double posting via instan message. I can give you my address if you want to come and ******?

No wonder you've ended at St Chris, you are unable to weigh the facts and give an objective view. If the truth hurts, ***********************

[OLDPRO]

WHUDS, Your the person that threatend me for Double posting via instan message. I can give you my address if you want to come and********?

No wonder you've ended at St Chris, you are unable to weigh the facts and give an objective view. If the truth hurts, you can*************.

As moderator it's my job to tell you about multiple posting the same post, it's against the TOS. Also What's up with threats? I never threated you but did voice my opinion based on what you wrote here. Threats are against TOS you have a pm waiting.
You still didn't answer my question, did you call and make an appointment before leaving to come and see the school? I'm investigating your problems with the reception at the school because there may be a problem.

You did read the Terms of Service (http://www.valuemd.com/disclaimer.php) before signing up here didn't you?

Cheers.

[OLDPRO]

Bts4202,

Earlier in your reply you say you have three buildings, now you have reduced it to one. Which one is true.

Talk about an objective view.
Uh didn't you go to the York House then try to get into the school across the street? Since you did that you didn't see they were 2 different buildings? The 3rd is opening in a week.
Cheers

[selim007]

Uh didn't you go to the York House then try to get into the school across the street? Since you did that you didn't see they were 2 different buildings? The 3rd is opening in a week.
Cheers

I was told to turn up anytime on Wednesday or Thursday but not friday,and that they will show me around. This did not happen. They refused to show me anything or even to make an alternative arrangement. After two hours drive from London , I felt very upset.

[OLDPRO]

I was told to turn up anytime on Wednesday or Thursday but not friday,and that they will show me around. This did not happen. They refused to show me anything or even to make an alternative arrangement. After two hours drive from London , I felt very upset. Look I understand you are upset but this is a public forum. I'm a student at the college and I have helped others with problems before. I agree there are problems like this that need to be address but to condemn the school because of this, well I just don't know how to feel. There may have not been anyone who could show you around at the time you were there. I didn't go that day cause I had just finished exams and was at home. I was there most of Fri for the results and AMSA buisness. St. Chris is a good school though. The professors are knowledgeable.

Cheers.

[bts4202]

After two hours drive from London , I felt very upset.

Should have taken the train at the st pancreas station, takes 20 minutes.

[TAFKA]

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[selim007]

Are you really from England, Selim?

Yes I am, from South East London. I am considering school of health sciences in Nottingham, they are recognised by GMC.

[AUCMD2006]

not everyone likes the train...i absolutely hate riding in the damn thing and will do anything to avoid it...i would rather pay $20 to valet in downtown chicahgo than take a train and the same when i was in new york so as soon as someone is a critic they are lying about their intentions yet everyone should beleive that there are no licensing issues, no questions about the cahrter, or that the school has hundreds in residency right?

[neilc]

...as soon as someone is a critic they are lying about their intentions yet everyone should beleive that there are no licensing issues, no questions about the cahrter, or that the school has hundreds in residency right?

or course, rrod! this is the way it always has and always will be. how dare anyone question legit issues!
:rolleyes:

[bts4202]

not everyone likes the train...i absolutely hate riding in the damn thing and will do anything to avoid it...i would rather pay $20 to valet in downtown chicahgo than take a train and the same when i was in new york so as soon as someone is a critic they are lying about their intentions yet everyone should beleive that there are no licensing issues, no questions about the cahrter, or that the school has hundreds in residency right?

thats right, u are not allowed to ask where someone is from.. it is wrong i tell you... wrong!!

rrod, u pay your $20 for valet and $300 for gas (lol) and I will take the train.

[AUCMD2006]

you guys didn't ask this person where they were from you made it seem like they were a troll, not having been to SC by asking them about the buildings, and saying that they showed up without an appointment when they said they were specifically told to come a certain day.

its always easier for a current student to show someone around so they shoudl try and do it withg one of you guys...same at auc people have arranged stuff through meio in miami and they get to sxm to find out the school didn;t know they were coming...the other person who went got a tour and got to eat lunch with your world renouned ER doctor...hehe so someone obviusly had a good experience with the tour and somone diodn't..happens

[oldquack]

lads, you would have a point- except then after going on about how shady St Chris is - he then states he is looking at the school in Nottingham- thats so funny !!!!

You are both going to enjoy yourselves on that one, provisional second hand charter from the carrebean which runs out before the end of the year, which worries the GMC. No graduates or hospitals in USA or loans, and affiliated consultants rather than hospitals in UK. I hope it works out for the school, and the student- but talk about jumping out of the frying pan.

Would be easier to learn a Slavic language.

[AUCMD2006]

so that school in nottingham is not a brit school either?....at least SC has a charter that is permanent and a few licensed grads....stick with SC dude who cares if the receptionist was rude at least the school has people passing the plab....

[OLDPRO]

Yes I am, from South East London. I am considering school of health sciences in Nottingham, they are recognised by GMC.

Good Luck there:hiding:

( I don't think they have a forum here yet you will have to post in the main forum your impression of them).

As for the all this pointless disscussion on St. Chris being shady and such, I'm a current student and yes there are many areas and room for improvement at St. Chris. Because of a rude receptionsit St. Chris should not be called suspicious. The receptionist are not qualified to give all the info the visting person would need. Treating anyone rudely is a misstake by anyone in a receptionist job. I get mad and hurt too. But remember we were not there and only have one side of the story. I will ask for the other side of this story. Many of you have come down hard on St. Chris in the past and I still read that yo can't get over the past St. Chris.
Even with all the problems at St. Chris I find no more than any other buisness I've been a part of my whole life. Even when I was in college 18 years ago there was bad infromation given to me, rude receptionists (hey try a Dr.'s office where you call in a critical patient and boy the stories I could tell) and a bureaucratic mess at times. Tell the truth but hey lighten up man!

Cheers

[LJG]

NeilC, Picard, and AZskeptic:
This post is explicitly addressed to all users OTHER THAN YOU and, as such, should NOT be misconstrued as an invitation to post unfounded deleterious remarks about my school.

What is unfounded about saying that St. Chris is a Senegal school, teaching in Luton England and not under the UK supervision of medical school system, and is part of a Sufi/Islamic University in Senegal and as BTS says, an award winning Shayk is the head of the University and has hung out with Jimmy Carter. Also we could add that it has had a failed relationship with a NJ college due to the college discovering problems with licensure in NJ for St. Chris grads.

How could there be a problem with NJ licensure, we have 2 grads in their 2nd year residency in Jersey City Medical Center and one grad in his final year of a surgical residency having no prob with his licensure application??????

[robpabalate]

I believe that the prospective student came by on the 18th of August, two days after the finals...and there is hardly anybody in the building but the students attending the Kaplan review (us, 5th Semester students) who are holed up in Lecture Rm #3, with nary a break time to relieve him/herself. I also think that most of the classrooms are locked up except for the library, LR #3, and the bathrooms.
York House was operating as usual then, but then again, the receptionist(s) is/are not there to respond to questions specifically about the school. I think they can only respond to questions specific to their jobs only...nothing more, nothing less.
I respect the fact that the school should have bent over a little bit to accomodate the applicant although it would have made his experience better if he/she requested a tour of the facilities when he/she informed that he/she was coming over. I've seen quite a few prospective students in the past and have even walked them around the place before. As the 5th sem rep, I usually address them when they sit-in in some of our classes.
Again, calling the school shady just because of the responses this applicant received from the receptionist or the security officer is unfair and uncalled for. True that it is his/her opinion, but at least know the facts before hurtling stones.

Thanks.

V/R,

Rob

[oldquack]

In my view what this shows is the changes that have come over st chris in the 18 mths I have been there. If someone had asked these questions a year ago you would have got a few fanatics holding up the flag, but otherwise many of the students would have probably stayed quiet and kind of agreed.

But now most of us are content, we have seen great improvements in the school, buildings aquired (yes rented but thats the UK way- some of the most expensive property prices in the world in UK remember so most growing businesses rent), graduates getting licensed, New York being at least seriously applied for, a true campus in sengal, 5th semseter in USA/Kaplan and with the advent of the internal student web of st chris, run by the students for the students- the students have been able to share the experiences with those in rotations and resendency, which has helped those in the preclinical semesters understand the processes in becoming a doctor a lot.

Maybe we actually have a little bit of pride in our school now, yes its not perfect but things are getting pretty good now. As many of the students on VMD have stated this school is not for everyone, choose carefully where you go, for others the top 4 carribean schools would be better options, but overall I am happy with my lot as are many of my collegues.

[neilc]

How could there be a problem with NJ licensure, we have 2 grads in their 2nd year residency in Jersey City Medical Center and one grad in his final year of a surgical residency having no prob with his licensure application??????

as i remember, NJ laws have a statement regarding attending school in the country of charter. st chris students do not do that. so, an undergrad college in the states declined a relationship with st chris.

btw, having folks doing a residency in a state does not mean that licensure will not be a problem. getting a training license is MUCH easier that a permanent license. so, until you have somebody who has a license (and is not simply in the process of applying), NJ is up for grabs. bts claims that they will evaluate everyone individually, despite this law being in place, so it appears you guys have a shot there at least.