Still no response from ross...problem will not just go away

[pablo]

I find it hard to believe that we have heard nothing at school or on here about the problem that happened in classroom one this weekend. I did get a pm from dean wagner basically that I should not stereotype all ross administrators based on the behavior of one..which I do agree with, however, he is the only administrator that has acted on this manor. Mr. Pueschel's unprofessionalism, and ignorance is the only representation that Ross has on this issue right now...so I have to assume this is the opinion of the university since noone else has given us their opinion.

Mitch keeps on stating that nobody he emailed him about this. What do you expect? When we see a Ross administrator get in students faces and yell at them why should we think that coming forward will resolve anything. If you are so confident that it will work to bring this to administration that you can bring it. The rest of us are a little uncomfortable right now after seeing this disrespect and unprofessionalism.

I really think this should be addressed now b/c the space issue will only get worse in August...we will be gaining a class double the size of the one that we will be losing. Then new building (even if it is finished) will not help with this b/c I am sure we will not be allowed to study in there!

[preppystud]

think about it, ross started more than 20 years ago, you are not the first one who is studying there. it makes one wonder how those early people manage to go by everyday?

And also, what did those people do 10 years ago, when there was no internet? it must be quite costy to call and talk to people in the states.

[pablo]

You know so much about life here, even though you are not here. Answer this..do you realize that Ross is growing and there are more students here now than there ever have been before..maybe that is why this is an issue now as opposed to 20 yrs ago when there were less than 50 students per class..do you realize I am in the biggest class in the history of Ross..and that the next class will probably even be bigger?

Please don't comment unless you check the facts.

[preppystud]

aol changed its pricing plan a while ago, and people sued them for bad service. Do you think that you can sue Ross in Dominica?

Lack of room is not the most important issue here. I would be concerned if Ross decides to hire med. students to teach med. students.

If the library is closed, you can always go home and study. That is what millions do here in the states.

[2ndyear]

I agree with my colleague on this point. We can write/email MitchDC but what else can we say on this matter that he hasn't read on this forum? Oh well, I just want to finish, get my degree, and begin paying back my loans asap.

[tRmedic21]

Because the school is located in a place where electricity is not something that can be taken for granted, many students must study at the school, rather than at home. I know here in Sint Maarten, we lost electricity last night for about 3 hours, and we had an exam today. So my wife went up to the school to study, as studying by candlelight just doesn't seem to cut it, not to mention the other factors like no airconditiong, etc.

It seems the students at Ross are concerned about the apparent disregard of Ross' official(s) toward their needs. I would tend to agree that the school should probably address this issue. These students pay good money to be there, and if Ross has a tradition of providing students a place to study with reliable electricity and A/C, then they should think about the fact that those students might not have chosen Ross if they knew they were going to be at risk of losing study time every time the power went out. Here at AUC, they do provide us with several rooms for study, but not nearly the space Ross provides, from what I can tell. I think this is because electricity does not seem to be as big of a problem in Sint Maarten as in Dominica, but you can bet your rear that if it were becoming a major problem, I would be among the first to be raising the roof at AUC to remind the school of their responsibilities.

And if an administrator had acted that way to me, I am not sure if I would have been able to keep my cool as well as the Ross students reportedly did. I commend your restraint and level-headedness. I have remained silent thus far about this matter, because I didn't want to get involved in an internal matter, but I feel that your attitude about the event in question is somewhat flippant, and I don't believe you fully understand the ramifications of all that has transpired. The ability to study in comfort should be of paramount importance at any medical school, and if mine didn't allow for that, through either a stable locale, or a place on campus, I, too, might reconsider my choice.

Good luck to all of you at Ross in your attempts to resolve this situation, and hopefully certain members of the administration there will realize that they need to respect their students, as well as the other way around.

[2ndyear]

First of all, thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts on this forum, tRMedic. Your comments are always well-received and appreciated.

The problem with this whole deal is that in times of extreme stress, which every medical student in the world faces most days, we need level headed leadership. Perhaps Mr. Pueschel was having a bad day, maybe him and his wife had a fight, but it still doesn't excuse his behaviors in front of a bunch of kids. On top of that, Mr. Pueschel has a history of displaying his temper toward the Ross staff and certain students whom he deems unworthy. I have seen this man getting in the face of one the employees here that would make any drill sgt. look like Oprah. This man is like Martha Stewart.

[devilsadvocate]

Pablo, Why don't you study AT HOME you freak! !

I'm tired of hearing this crap about NO PLACE TO STUDY!

How in the heck can you study in a crowded classroom anyway--aren't there many distractions? How can you get any quality studying accomplished in that environment?


THE WHINERS IN THIS FORUM NEED TO GROW UP!

[Ross Redneck]

As I sit and read all the arguments on this forum, I cant help but remember that myself and those in my class had the exact same concerns: Ross shutting down classroom 1 from time to time, rogue administrators and conflicts with the local staff. also ross expanding the class beyond its apparent resources to contain. these were all and still are pertinent issues. when I was there I was certain that ross would either go out of business or be shut down before I was done due to all the controversies with the miami project, etc...

but rest assured, i graduated and so will all of you.

Do not lose sight of your goal.

Even though you are paying big bucks to Ross, you should always just tell yourself that you are only paying them to sign you off to take the USMLE. Sitting in class and listening to the professors recite their lectures doesn't really help and its UP TO YOU to learn the material, pass the silly mini exams, shelfs and the USMLE. if you have to buy a lantern and study at home, then just do it if you want it bad enough. Your 10k/ sem unfortunatly doesnt get you alot of luxuries, but it gives you a shot to get a residency. i hated alot of things about ross basic sciences and even more about the clinicals. since few of us rossies have any other options, we are at their mercy.

but you know what... now that i am a grad and in a competitive residency, I can really say it wasnt that bad.
RR

[RossMD2006]

Pablo-

Nothing is going to be done about this. If you think Pueschel is going to get reprimanded, forget about it. Just go on with your studies and try to phase everything else out.

I, myself, was in Classroom 1 that afternoon. My reaction to the situation was that 4-5 students unreasonably erupted in anger when the lady said there was going to be a potluck. I think these students overreacted. These ppl need to calm down. If you are going to yell at someone, go yell at the deans. No need to soundoff on a person who was given permission by the University to use the classroom. That is not going to help the situation.

I felt sorry for the lady. Everyone was getting on her case. It wasn't her fault. The administration gave her permission to use the classroom. I dont know if you know the guy who ripped down the KSA flier that was attached to the door (in anger). I thought that was immature, disrespectful and something that I would have done when I was in high school. He called the woman 'unprofessional' for telling students that were studying to leave because SHE GOT PERMISSION FROM THE SCHOOL TO USE THE CLASSROOM???? 4-5 ppl walked outside of class and began phoning deans and whoever they could get a hold of. But, they forgot....they lost 1-2 hours of studying just to get a hold of a school official. OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not saying that Dean Pueschel's reaction was right (in my opinion, I thought it was wrong and unprofessional). But I thought the initial reaction of some of the students need to be highlighted so that we can learn how to correct these situations in a mature and reasonable manner in the future.

[discombobulase]

I was wondering when Id hear the other side of the story. The accounts have been pretty one sided. I wasn't there. But from hearing lots of arguments in my time, my "hmmm" meter started to go off.

The idea of quiet, submissive, peaceful students suddenly attacked without provocation by a frothing steaming big bad admin makes for good evening news. Is that how it happened ? Was the admin not provoked at all ? Did the students really act that "professionaly" ?

I heard from people who were there that the yelling occured before, during and after the admins arrival. That the admin acted that way was WRONG, no matter how he was treated. He was supposed to be adult about this. And for some of the students to reply in kind was WRONG, no matter how he treated them. They are supposed to be adult about this too. It takes two to escalate. If one side didn't, you wouldn't have a spiral.

[Cuando2]

From my experience here and noticing the study trends here, since it was a saturday, i would HIGHLY doubt that the library was so full that the small number of students in the classrooms couldnt simply relocated. it isnt even that close to the finals yet, and people are acting as if it was SO busy all over campus. Sorry, but I was just in the library the past few days, and didnt even see that many people in there. On top of this, there are TONS of students who study at home. My apt. complex has six units, occupied by 11 people (some are doubles), and out of those 11 people, 8 people are always home studying. The majority of people who live within close proximity to school seem to be studying at home...and if the power WAS to go out, then they would go to school. Most power outages here are planned, and thus, students who wish to remain at home may do so and prepare to relocate to school during the planned outage. For those who live miles away in Glanvilla and in P'mouth, your best bet to avoid large study crowds near exam times is to move close to school and study there. But just like any school, not everyone is blessed with the "lucky" living spots...if you are not, you will just have to deal with it. Thats life!

[MitchDC]

I agree that now having heard the story from another point of view makes a lot more sense. I stopped in to chat with Mr. Pueschel about this whole incident and he admitted that he made a mistake and didn't attempt to justify with excuses at all. I didn't even ask him about his behavior, I just asked "what happened this weekend?" I thought that was very professional. I too have recently been informed by others who were there, that there was a lot of yelling and unprofessional behavior long before Mr. Pueschel arrived. One student said "he is a prinicipal by trade; if you act like a child, he'll treat you like one." I wasn't there so I cannot justly provide any input above and beyond that which others who were there have contributed.

On another note, I have heard that the new facility being built will have a lot of "break-out" room which, like several others distributed around campus now, are available for study 24 hours (there are no locks on the doors, white boards, tables, and chairs). We'll see how that pans out when the building is ready.

MitchDC

[prosport35]

Copy from the other post

First off, all you ^%&$ are in medical school, so why don't you act like it. None of what has been said here except the first couple of lines is true. Just a little side bar, did you know that most people here who complain and bitch are the people who shouldn't be, not only here, but in the medical profession. It amazes me how much time the have to complain rather than do their work!). Okay, moving on
I do see how the inadequate study area can get to you, especially when it is take away for a supposed "less than" important reason. However, this group did go through procedure (school policy) in order to book a room. Mr Pueschel even tried to find another room for them, but none where available (and this is hardly the point).
The problem is the horrible attitudes of some students here are having lately. They are rude not only to faculty, but to each other. And yes, I would be pissed if I had to come to school to solve an immature cat fight among pseudoprofessionals. It is ridiculous!!! So you cannot blame Pueschel for anything. He comes down to solve some fight that should be solved amongst the students. Did anyone forget that the medical profession is about, hum, problem solving. Or I just guess the group that was in the room that day skipped that class on how to act in your life (which I wouldn't doubt). Moving on
Has anyone here ever talked to the guy (Pueschel), or do they just like to past judgement? I guarantee he is on top of the list of the best faculty here. Go talk to him, about anything, and I am sure you'll be amazed on what a great resource he is.
So the moral of the story, quit blaming others and passing false judgements on things, not only on this matter, but on the school period. Don't get me wrong, there are troubles within the school, just like any institution, but this matter should not have came about. Some people here have nothing better to do but to complain, start trouble, whatever. These people are stuck in undergrad, live at the wine bar, and expect to pass with 3 hrs of studying. And then time for boards and the student complains about how the school didn't do this, do that.... No!!! More importantly the school gets a bad rap because they were nice enough to let you, yah you, in with a god-aweful GPA and a who knows what kind of personality because we all know what the interview is like.

Second moral. Ross gives every opportunity for students to do well, in fact, they promote it, amazing huh!!!. So don't let the bottom 25% of the class that actively participates on this site discourage you from this school. Most of the faculty are great, the school has great new owners, and all the rotations are in the state. Living here is a breeze. Bottom line, you have to want it to do well!!!!!

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[ROSSGIRLMD]

Hi, I am new here, but have an opinion regarding your post.

Second moral. Ross gives every opportunity for students to do well, in fact, they promote it, amazing huh!!!. So don't let the bottom 25% of the class that actively participates on this site discourage you from this school.

I guess this means you are not doing that well since you are on here??

I just read a lot of this info and I find it discouraging that the school official acted the way he did. I do think Ross should provide us 24 study facilities, after all that is what we are here to do, right? I want to leave here as soon as possible and I will have to study night and day to accomplish this so hopefully there is always space for me to study. The library is very full here all the time I have noticed.

[prosport35]

In fact, that was my first post ever, and my first visit to the site. And guess what, this is my last. I just heard about some ** going on and wanted to see on a scale of 1-10 what the ** level was... and as I expected, a 12!!!!!

And if you were to read my post, it is obvious I am not the bottom 25%

good luck with the shelves!!!!!

[jim]

from what i have read it seems like some people are definetly dwelling way too much on one minor inicident. i cant tell you how many times we had things like this happen. from potlucks to some cuban musical group playing live in classroom 1. big deal, study somewhere else. they always had 1, 3, and the histo lab open 24-7(hell, my roomie in 4th semester shoudl have paid rent to the hsito lab, he studyed, ate, slept there. i saw him like 5 times the whole semester, other then class). yea, it sounds like some administrator(who wasnt there when i was, so have no clue if this is normal for him) got bent out of shape and was unprofessional. but it also sounds like some students also were unprofessional also. let it rest, and go study!