Lutheran Medical Center, Brooklyn

[Dru]

Lutheran Medical Center, Brooklyn

[infirisgirl]

does anyone know what rotations are offered here.
I heard IM for sure, but wondering about ob/gyn and peds
thanks

[McGillGrad]

does anyone know what rotations are offered here.
I heard IM for sure, but wondering about ob/gyn and peds
thanks

http://www.valuemd.com/ross-university-school-medicine/44507-part-2-acgme-approved-ross-clinicals-cont.html

[MedChe]

does anyone know what bout electives done here? such as internal sub I?
is it any good? organizeed? good learning experience?
any info is good
thanks!:shock:

[butters]

has anybody done their surgery here? any thoughts on it?

[Potatooo]

I have a few friends who had done surgery rotations overthere. It is a trauma one center in that part of Brooklyn. The service is very busy. I have only heard good things about the rotation. Like most surgical rotations, you have to work hard....hours are not easy but learning is good. It is one of the 'clinical center' for St. Georges students. They have a DO surgery residency program.
For informations about the rotations (including electives) offered. You can e-mail the medical student coordinator:

Diana Calderon: Dcalderon-Ngui@lmcmc.com

Good luck.

[butters]

wait, so does that mean the rotation is DO???

it's not an MD rotation?

[Junito]

wait, so does that mean the rotation is DO???

it's not an MD rotation?

AOA/DO rotations are not ACGME approved rotations. Some states like PA have a problem with MDs doing DO rotations. Some states like NY don't care.

[Chianti]

Lutheran surgery counts as a MD rotation because of their affilitation with SUNY-Downstate (SUNY residents, who are MDs, rotate at Lutheran).

[TheGriffin]

Lutheran surgery counts as a MD rotation because of their affilitation with SUNY-Downstate (SUNY residents, who are MDs, rotate at Lutheran).

Not according to this information:

http://www.hscbklyn.edu/gme/section4.html#lmc

(PDF version) http://www.hscbklyn.edu/gme/SECTION4.DOC.pdf

LMC sponsors fully accredited residency training programs in Family Practice, Internal Medicine, Obstetrics & Gynecology, Dentistry and Podiatry. The Medical Center also participates in integrated residency programs in General surgery, Pediatrics, Radiation Oncology and Thoracic Surgery. Lutheran Medical Center is very active in the education of medical students and offers a variety of third year clinical clerkships and fourth year electives to SUNY students, as well as an Introduction to Clinical Medicine course for second year students.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Anyone know about the IM residency here? Are they all FMG's or are there some US IMGs as well?

Is it a good program to apply for a residency?? Lot of teaching?? Good fellowship placements???

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I guess LMC is not one of the "well known" Ross hot spots!

[ross_student05]

IT is ACGME approved in Surgery. Go to ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access (http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/) , click on accredited programs, go to NY and surgery. Under SUNY Health Sciences Center at Brooklyn it is listed as a "Other Participating Institution". That makes it ACGME. I have it scheduled for the end of 2007.
Anyone do the surgery rotation there recently (in the past year?!). I could use any info that you have so I can prepare to change my schedule if need be. thx

[lalalala]

Anyone know if Lutheran is good for Peds or if its greenbook even?

[adipose]

Hey

I'm starting surgery on monday. although i have heard many great things about the program, i'm nervous as well because i am also studying for step 2 and am planning on taking the exam two weeks after surgery.

so my question is, can someone please post their experience on here? how were the hours like and how were the calls like??

I'm not lazy. Just really stressed about having enough time to study or not.

thanks.

[adipose]

word of wisdom -- i have been here so far for six weeks -- don't come here if you're really not interested in surgery -- they work you like dogs.. it's no joke. everyone gets a beeper so at all times, they know where you are... no time to study/breath/sleep. calls are intense intense intense. q4. no joke. step 2 will be definitely pushed back. damn.

[thethom]

Sounds EXACTLY like IM at Kings. q4 call, 80-90 hours a week, 530 am till 7pm or later, intense... Your post makes me definately wanna do surgery at Lutheran...! Give us a breakdown of a typical day, student responsibility (writing progress notes, handling consults, doing admissions and discharges, and responsibility in the OR?), and a typical call night. How much scut, how is the ancillary staff, are the nurses a lazy bunch that complains when asked to take a patient's FS...?

[gooch1021]

6-7 rounds
7-8 interesting case presentation and or lecture
if you have OR cases you go and scrub in... pretty much do whateva they let u during the surgery....
alll notes are written by students.... weekend calls u got to cover more patients but its not that bad....
1pm is clinic if ur not in a surgery al so q4.... quick hpi present the patient to the attending ...so ur pretty much the doc... quick note and thats it...
calls are fun if u like doing procedures, putting in lines, ng tubes, abgs foleys, stiching drunks, some interns scut a lot some dont.... but if u wanna do stuff they'll let you and teach you.... its a level one trauma center so you get the occasional stab wound or gunshot so if ur into that then this place is good for u.... the hours do make u tired so planning to study during the rotation is not a good idea but u do have some down time during the day to get a few questions in...
oh and u get 2 weeks of the SICU... lots of learning here... the attending is really good make u nervous but you learn... no calls during this time...
you also get 2 weeks of a specialty... like ortho or nuero... so no calls during those weeks either so your essentially only q4 for 6 weeks...
overal i like it so far... annoying at times but overall a good experience...

hope this helped

[thethom]

Excellent. Is plastics one of the specialties you may choose from for 2 weeks? Also about how many patients are usually in the unit, how many patients on weekends. At Kings it was usually around 12 for each med student on weekend call. How many surgeries can people typically scrub into during the day?

[Chianti]

Is Dr. B still the SICU attending? He was fun to work with and a great teacher when I did SICU there. Learned a ton from him.

[ghaleon]

Dr. B in SICU? Good teacher? Enjoyed working from him? He is the most disrespectful attending I have ever met! Yes he still works there, unfortunately.

BTW , my opinion of Dr. B is the typical opinion of almost every single student that has rotated through there.

I still distinctly remember one time when he handed a student a piece of cumpled up trash and said, "here, make yourself useful."

[adipose]

just out of curiosity, I know the first years just started a couple of weeks ago... how is that resident treating them --> the blonde resident who thinks she's all that and her name is the month between may and july... I just finished that rotation not too long ago and still till this day, everytime i think of her I cringe. what an absolute snob. she was the worst part of that rotation... i feel really bad for those interns... poor things...

[Chianti]

Found out yesterday that Dr. B in the SICU is actually an old-time Ross grad!!!

[rizaphobia]

Has anyone done IM at Lutheran? What were the hours, was there a lot of scut work, did they do a good job teaching?

[dishanarula]

I am scheduled to do my surgery core at Lutheran during my 4th year from november to february during residency interview season. Wonderful Ross couldn't schedule it during my third year and left me with 12 weeks worth of gaps to fill with electives instead. I'm afraid that the Hospital is really going to look down on me taking time off for interviews and i'll get a bad grade for surgery. Does anyone know how strict they are with giving time off? My only other option is to push surgery to feb to may after interview season and do it in my last months as a medical student.

[CPR_ME]

I am scheduled to do my surgery core at Lutheran during my 4th year from november to february during residency interview season. Wonderful Ross couldn't schedule it during my third year and left me with 12 weeks worth of gaps to fill with electives instead. I'm afraid that the Hospital is really going to look down on me taking time off for interviews and i'll get a bad grade for surgery. Does anyone know how strict they are with giving time off? My only other option is to push surgery to feb to may after interview season and do it in my last months as a medical student.


I did surgery at Luthern.. they're forgiving BUT not that forgiving.. if you miss 6 total for the whole rotation it may be ok (kinda pushing it) but if you're thinking of missing more then that have fun doing extra calls!!! When I was there (june 2007), it was a really demanding rotation and the calls are no joke... every fourth day you're on call.. unless you can find a friend to cover you, you better be there... it's a good rotation, but i would not recommend you doing it during interview season. i myself am doing a core and am currently interviewing and am getting SH8T for it.. push it back and do an elective...

[dishanarula]

Thank you so much for the advice. I think I will push it back until after interview season. The lutheran student affairs person got back to me and said we have only 2 sick days and no personal days or vacation time. It's just such a shame that i'm doing 12 weeks worth of electives in my 3rd year when I should be doing my surgery core and I have to deal with this core with everything else that's going on in 4th year.

[dishanarula]

by the way CPR ME....what rotation are you doing right now that they're giving you shit for doing interviews?? Why do we get blamed for everything as students....our schedules at Ross are pretty much out of our hands and they always screw up our schedules and assign us cores in our 4th year. But we have to go on interviews so we can get a residency. Either way we get the blame and our lives are played like it doesn't matter. Ross made its money so why would they care now. I hope ppl stop going to that damn school. They deserve a lesson.

[kkmdmph2b]

Here's the skinny on LMC for Internal Medicine that I wish someone would've told me:

Hours: Monday-Friday 7am-at least 3pm on a regular day. From 7am-8am morning report. PGY-2s on night float go over the admissions from the previous night. 8am-10am Go to the floor and see your patients individually. 10am-12pm Round with the attending and the rest of your team and sister team discussing all patients on that floor and visiting patients who aren't being seen by their private doctor. 12pm-1pm Noon lecture. 1pm-2pm Lunch 2pm-3pm Student lecture 3pm-until your intern tells you to go home Go back up to the floor and finish whatever you didn't finish between 8-10.

Short call is every 4 days (including weekends). 7am- (about) 7:30pm
Long call (24 hr call) is once a month

Other notes of interest: There is a weekly paper due every Tuesday. Professional dress except for long call days you can wear scrubs. The hospital provides scrubs and white coats. Everyone (students and residents) take a test about every other week - students don't receive a grade for the test.

[zoddaman]

Does anyone else have any more information on Lutheran? I'm scheduled to do and IM and Surgery rotation this spring. I'm considering taking my step at some point during this rotation? Is this a crazy idea? Feedback welcomed. Thanks