Prince George's Hospital Center, Cheverly

[Dru]

Prince George's Hospital Center, Cheverly

[maybatch2000]

Did OB/GYN in JUL-AUG 2005. Very realxed ob/gyn rotation. We were ther from 7:45 till 3PM. We rotate with howard university med students. Call is q5. Students get to do lot of deliveries and can scrub in lot of gyn cases. Residents are nice and helpful. Staff here loves the ross students

[easymd]

hi guys, did any body do IM in this hospital? how was it? do you rotate with residents or just attendings? please answer as soon as possible, I need to make a decision by tomorrow.
thank you very much.

[rick949]

does or has anyone done electives at prince georges? if so, was is good to take over there? if anyone knows pl ease respond asap!! thanks!:)

[Dru]

see:

http://www.valuemd.com/ross-university-school-medicine/57414-prince-georges-cheverly-md.html

[Doc Holiday]

Has anyone done a neurology elective here? What does the day consist of? Hours?

Thanks

[k-23]

i'm going to be doing radiology, nuclear medicine, and obgyn at pg. if anyone has any info good/bad about these rotations please let me know. also, i am looking for housing. any suggestions? i don't have a car right now, do you think i will need one? thanks

[onmyway]

Doing IM core here soon. I heard it's a good experience, but I know the area in PG county is a bad crime area etc. Anyone who has rotated here, can you recommend places to stay/live for 12 weeks?

[pierrefonteau99]

PGHC is closing down, they are bankrupt, I know it is going to take awhile to shut down the hospital and I don't know if you will still be able to do your rotations there. Contact BC immediately.

[onmyway]

did you hear something specific? they've been "closing down" and bankrupt for years now. according to FREIDA they will be taking applications for July 2008 residency spots still....

[Linda Green]

Unlikely that the hospital will close but should know if no deal is reached by Friday the 20th. I agree that you should check with BC, the student contact for Prince George's if you are concerned but no one will be sure until the 20th.

[Linda Green]

It appears that the board meeting will be on Wednesday, April 18 - after that should know the future of the hospital at least for the next year. Feel free to contact me with questions after that.

[onmyway]

thank you for keeping us updated. would be such a tragedy if it closed...for the patients, employees, and surrounding hospitals that are stressed already.

[smangraj]

It appears that the board meeting will be on Wednesday, April 18 - after that should know the future of the hospital at least for the next year. Feel free to contact me with questions after that.
Dear Dr Green,
I was going to join as PGY1 this year in july in IM ,but now I am very worried for our future .iT will be a very abd thing if the hospital closes in every aspect .I know that the meeting will be on wednesday but just wanted to know that what happens to applicants like us who have signed the contract and were expected to join this year,if the hospital closes.I would really appeciate if you can reply
Thanks

[summerwind]

Dear Dr Green,
I was going to join as PGY1 this year in july in IM ,but now I am very worried for our future .iT will be a very abd thing if the hospital closes in every aspect .I know that the meeting will be on wednesday but just wanted to know that what happens to applicants like us who have signed the contract and were expected to join this year,if the hospital closes.I would really appeciate if you can reply
Thanks

Do you know how many Ross students would be affected by this hospital closing?

[cavalletti]

Dear Dr Green,
I was going to join as PGY1 this year in july in IM ,but now I am very worried for our future .iT will be a very abd thing if the hospital closes in every aspect .I know that the meeting will be on wednesday but just wanted to know that what happens to applicants like us who have signed the contract and were expected to join this year,if the hospital closes.I would really appeciate if you can reply
Thanks

Why not research NRMP contract rules. Here's the link. National Resident Match Program (http://www.nrmp.org/)

Best of luck with this.

[onmyway]

Actually the institutional requirements are promulgated by the ACGME. They are, in pertinent part:


Residency Closure/Reduction: The Sponsoring Institution must have a written policy that addresses a reduction in size or closure of a residency program. The policy must specify



that if the Sponsoring Institution intends to reduce the size of an ACGME-accredited program or close a residency program, the Sponsoring Institution must inform the residents as early as possible; and,


that in the event of such a reduction or closure, the Sponsoring Institution must either allow residents already in the program to complete their education or assist the residents in enrolling in an ACGME-accredited program in which they can continue their education.

[cavalletti]

Actually the institutional requirements are promulgated by the ACGME. They are, in pertinent part:


or assist the residents in enrolling in an ACGME-accredited program in which they can continue their education.



This could be open to much interpretation. What exactly is their obligation to the resident?

[onmyway]

basically, the rule requires the hospital to have a written policy that if they cancel the residency program, they must either let residents under contract finish there or, if that is impossible (e.g. if the hospital itself shuts down not just the residency program), then they must help the residents get into another accredited program where they can finish. The actual details of how that is all carried out are presumably spelled out in the hospital's written policy that this rule requires them to have.

[summerwind]

This could be open to much interpretation. What exactly is their obligation to the resident?

I agree. The information onmyway posted pertaining to residency closure would not alleviate my fears. It seems that all the sponsoring institution has to do is try to get the resident enrolled in another ACGME-accredited program.

[onmyway]

Yes, it would not alleviate my fears either were I in that position. Seems like the regulation contemplates residency closure at a particular institution, not closure of the whole institution itself. If the latter happens, the contracts with residents may become part of a whole bunch of contractual obligations that are in line when a business shuts down. How a bankruptcy proceeding, which is one avenue the hospital is considering, would affect residency contracts is an interesting question too.

[summerwind]

Yes, it would not alleviate my fears either were I in that position. Seems like the regulation contemplates residency closure at a particular institution, not closure of the whole institution itself. If the latter happens, the contracts with residents may become part of a whole bunch of contractual obligations that are in line when a business shuts down. How a bankruptcy proceeding, which is one avenue the hospital is considering, would affect residency contracts is an interesting question too.

You bring up another good point. Where would the residents stand in terms of priority. How motivated to fulfil its obligations to its residents would a hospital looking at closure (bankruptcy) be?

[Daniel]

I agree. The information onmyway posted pertaining to residency closure would not alleviate my fears. It seems that all the sponsoring institution has to do is try to get the resident enrolled in another ACGME-accredited program.

Look at the residency programs that closed at Charles R Drew University. Residency programs in Anesthesia, Derm, FM, OB/GYN, Ortho, Peds, Psych, etc....talk to their former residents. I personally know of a few who openly stated that their respective programs did little to nothing to help them out.

They (the residents) had to research and find open spots around the country on their own...and once they did that...the respective programs would just come in and sign off on the deal.

Charles Drew Univ also promised their residents that they would do all they could to "help" place their residents into other programs but that never happened obviously.

If a major Univ center with 12-13 residency programs wont/dont help with impunity, I wonder if PGHC will step up for their lone in-house IM residency program?

[onmyway]

actually, if you carry the logic out a bit further, why should the hospital care about the ACGME rules if it is closing down? All the ACGME can do is penalize by suspending accreditation of graduate medical education there...but if the hospital shuts down, who gives a crap about that anyway?

[Linda Green]

County will keep hospital open through 2008 while longer term solutions including state money are sought. This is pretty much where we have always been but I believe that the residency will be ok for the incoming class and the students should plan on their rotations as scheduled. Check the Washington Post etc for details. :)

[mdcnwoman]

PM me if you need housing near PGCH for rotations. Can send you contact info.

[Linda Green]

actually, if you carry the logic out a bit further, why should the hospital care about the ACGME rules if it is closing down? All the ACGME can do is penalize by suspending accreditation of graduate medical education there...but if the hospital shuts down, who gives a crap about that anyway?

Since you asked I would say that the only people who would care would be the GME folks. Through the program director's list serve several contacts could be made with other programs and it is not too difficult for a program to add a position when a hospital or program closes suddently. Our experience when DC General closed was that the CIR (Committee of Interns and Residents) already represented the residents and their staff worked hard to help them Prince George's actually took two of their residents at that time. Union representaion can be helpful in such situations and in pushing for improvements in programs. :roll:

[onmyway]

anyone done a rads elective here or know how difficult it is to get one? I have a gap before doing my IM at PG and would like to see about doing one.

[Clad128]

I did IM core at PG last year...loved it, was treated very fairly, no overnight call. After talking with other students I am convinced that this is one of the best clinical sites for IM. It was a lot of work, but I learned a ton. The only negative thing I can say about PGHC in general is that the nurses are perhaps the WORST NURSES I have ever worked with (rude to attendings/residents/students, lazy, and incompetent).

Infectious disease was an excellent rotation as well...lots of AIDS-related diseases, saw a couple cases of TB, lots of wound infections. Worked M-F 8am until 5-ish.

[jungleprincess]

Does anyone know any details about the ob/gyn rotation and can anyone offer any housing information. Is this hosp still accredited? What are the hours for OB/GYN, any calls?

[Cuando2]

yea theres ob there. in fact they have a new floor complete with under-water birthing processes. I heard a particular gunner Ross med student went into the tub with a pregnant pt and assisted in the underwater birth, naked.

[Doct51]

http://www.valuemd.com/images/icons/icon1.gif Fully furnished Room in Townhouse in Maryland, a deal you can't pass up!
My brother is a Ross University medical student, and I know how hard it is traveling to different parts of the country to complete your rotations. I am located in North Beach Maryland (Calvert County), a 45 min drive to Baltimore or DC and only minutes away from Prince George Hospital and Annapolis. My brother lived with me for 6 weeks when he rotated at St. Elizabeth's in DC.

I have a 3 bedroom, 3.5 bath townhouse that is located a half mile from the beach. I am extremely flexible regarding short term renting and will pro-rate your stay if needed. I will require a security deposit that you will get back. You will have access to the entire house except my room in the basement.

Rent is $600 and includes everything. There are two bedrooms located on the second floor. You will have the larger bedroom that has a private bathroom, the other bedroom is a spare bedroom that I will NOT be renting out. Your room has a full size bed, desk with chair, dresser, and a 32 inch television. What your rent includes:

All Utilities (yes, everything, AC included as well b/c it's central air)
Wireless Internet
Cable TV (with HBO and Showtime)
Washer and Dryer
Townhouse has Dishwasher, Microwave, Electric Grill on back patio
Phone with Unlimited Long Distance anywhere in the United States
And a parking space
Living room has a 42inch plasma tv with a leather couch that has two recliners in it.

As for me, I am a State Trooper and work on a rotating schedule so I am always working. As for you, you MUST BE CLEAN, Trustworthy, and pick up after yourself, i.e. don't leave dishes in the sink or pots on the stove with food in it, and when you move out leave a clean bathroom). The community I live in is quiet and the place is perfect for studying. If your interested please email me at jac51pc@comcast.net , also I can email you pictures if you'd like to see the place.

[Doct51]

Correction: 35 miles to PG hospital

http://www.valuemd.com/images/icons/icon1.gif Fully furnished Room in Townhouse in Maryland, a deal you can't pass up!
My brother is a Ross University medical student, and I know how hard it is traveling to different parts of the country to complete your rotations. I am located in North Beach Maryland (Calvert County), a 45 min drive to Baltimore or DC and 35 miles away from Prince George Hospital and 20 minutes to Annapolis. My brother lived with me for 6 weeks when he rotated at St. Elizabeth's in DC.

I have a 3 bedroom, 3.5 bath townhouse that is located a half mile from the beach. I am extremely flexible regarding short term renting and will pro-rate your stay if needed. I will require a security deposit that you will get back. You will have access to the entire house except my room in the basement.

Rent is $600 and includes everything. There are two bedrooms located on the second floor. You will have the larger bedroom that has a private bathroom, the other bedroom is a spare bedroom that I will NOT be renting out. Your room has a full size bed, desk with chair, dresser, and a 32 inch television. What your rent includes:

All Utilities (yes, everything, AC included as well b/c it's central air)
Wireless Internet
Cable TV (with HBO and Showtime)
Washer and Dryer
Townhouse has Dishwasher, Microwave, Electric Grill on back patio
Phone with Unlimited Long Distance anywhere in the United States
And a parking space
Living room has a 42inch plasma tv with a leather couch that has two recliners in it.

As for me, I am a State Trooper and work on a rotating schedule so I am always working. As for you, you MUST BE CLEAN, Trustworthy, and pick up after yourself, i.e. don't leave dishes in the sink or pots on the stove with food in it, and when you move out leave a clean bathroom). The community I live in is quiet and the place is perfect for studying. If your interested please email me at jac51pc@comcast.net , also I can email you pictures if you'd like to see the place.

[Cuando2]

I'll be damned if you have a property by the beach that is accessible to PG hospital at peak hours (rush hour) in a 35 min time span.

[DrunkenDancer]

I'll be darned if you have a property by the beach that is accessible to PG hospital at peak hours (rush hour) in a 35 min time span.

I would have to say that Cuando is right, during rush hour if you live in GreenBelt it may take 25-30 minutes to get to PGH. The rental in question is about three times as far away and not near the beltway or a major highway (Greenbelt is), I would guess it would take you about 1.5 hours or maybe more to get out there during rush hour in am, you would have to leave around 5 am to get to PGH by 7:30 am, worth it maybe if you get free rent, but probably not if you don't. It can't be 45 minute to Baltimore or DC as DC is easily 45 minutes from Greenbelt, and Baltimore is much further, buyer beware!

[Doct51]

That's actually not true guys. Your only on the belt for a couple of miles. Most of it is through route 4 which there is no traffic on it between 6-7am. Granted it is a little far for PG hospital, however, like I said, my brother lived here when he went to St. Elizabeth's which mapquest says is 45 min, and he made it 30 min everyday, and 45 at 5pm in rush hour. I apologize, I screwed up PG with Calvert county hospital.
Regardless, the deal I offer is better than most of the deals you'd get elsewhere.

[Doct51]

And it says 35 miles to PG, not 35 min... However, it is that many minutes to St. Elizabeth's in DC

[Doct51]

And it is an hour to Baltimore

[Doct51]

And I have been honest to every reply that I have received. I'm just trying to help you guys out. It doesn't make a difference to me if people choose not to rent.

[Cuando2]

It doesn't make a difference to me if people choose not to rent.

yeah it does...thats why you keep posting one after another like a madman :bored:

[mpd210]

Anyone do the radiology elective here lately? I heard they just tell you to take the days off and study then come back the last day to sign out. Is this true? I need some time to study for the boards...

[onmyway]

anyone else starting IM here next week? anyone who did it here have any helpful hints to share? thanks

[DrunkenDancer]

I think PG is a great place to do a IM clerkship and I enjoyed my time there. There is morning report around 8 am or 7 am (I think it is usually 8 am but has been a while), this is good to go as is the noon conference. I would review how to read EKGs, as you will be doing some of this, as well as how to write a SOAP note. Basically it is a good opportunity to help out as there are alot of patients and alot of small things can fall through the cracks, so stay up to date with all of your patients' labs, and pending tests i.e. CT and you may need to actually call to make the pt. is scheduled to get that head MRI as often the order is taken to do this but it is not done! You need to get in the habit of reading about your patients on your own, i.e. if you have a patient with heart failure you have to read about this yourself to learn, it is busy so you need to find the time to do this, and start early on those H and P s . . .

[RossMed239]

I am doing IM at Prince George's. Does anybody have any recommendations of short-term (3 month) housing options near Prince George? Any help would be appreciated.

Also, how is the city of Cheverly, MD?

[ChicoMD]

Hi,
Just wondering if anyone knows where it's good to live around this area? Does anyone know where students generally stay?
Any help is much appreciated:)