Jackson Park Hospital, Chicago

[Dru]

CA Willy wrote re. Jackson Park accreditation:

"According to my research, JP qualifies for CA Med Bd by virtue of the fact that they have an ACGME accredited Family Practice residency. They are also affiliated with the Chicago Medical School, but I don't know whether it is "major" or not. You'd have to get that information from the Graduate Medical Education Directory ("Green Book"). Nevertheless, all your rotations done at JP would be approved by CA Med Bd. As always, though, I would encourage you to independently varify this as I don't want the responsibility of leading you astray!!"

[smashweasel]

Has anyone done rotations here? I just got accepted to Ross and my in-laws are asking about rotations that I might do in their area. Anyway......

[jim]

I was there 5 years ago. so things may be different. but here goes.

IM- dr k**** takes a small group, usually only 5 or 6. he only takes Ross or Chicago med or Rush students(you will also see students there at JPH from AUC, Saba, SMU). K**** works you like a dog, but teaches you an amazing amount, as he treats you like a residnet. my first day of rotation, i had to put in a temporary pacemaker! He talked me through it, but it was nerve wracking! If you dont get k****, you get another guy or a resident, and the groups are much larger, things are more slack, but you dont learn near as much. call is about Q6 to Q9.

OB- DR S***. lectures every day. excellent. step 2 felt like it was straight out of his mouth! deliveries are hot and cold. my friend finsihed the rotation the friday before i started, and said they had only 3 deliveries during the daytime the whole rotation. that monday, my first day, we had 3 before lunch! He allows you to do the actual deliveries, as well as assist in c-sections. you are on call about every 6 days. usually a few deliveries on call.residents at night less likely to allow you to do delivery.

surgery- dont do it here if you want to go into surgery. slow. lectures every day. no call. no traumas. mostly elective stuff.

peds- all outpatient. office off site. dont remember the docs name, but he was a decent lecturer. group of about 8, of which 2 were from UIC.

psych- a waste of time. not much in lectures. home early all the time.

ER- good elective. lots of hands on. usually very busy small ER(about 12 beds, but in the hood, so lots of action, though major trauma eventually gets shipped out.)

Cards- outpatient. excellent teaching. m-f, 9 to 5.

anesthesia- boring. you do lots of lines, IVs. otherwise, watch a lot of surgeries.

like i said, its been a few years, so thing may have changed.

[ERMD5]

I just finished in Chicago.
Yah things have changed a little bit. I also rotated with Dr. K**** for IM and I believe now he takes students from any school. We had ppl from Ross, and MUA in our group there were 8 of us.
Peds is with Dr. M*********. She seems mean, but is awesome and very good teacher. Its still all out patient.
There is a new surgery rotation introduced under Dr. R**** thats the one I did. Lots of traveling in this rotation, but it was good because u get to go to Rush and st. berbards besides JPH, and ofcourse there are not that many surgeries at JPH.
Psych is the most laid back rotation I did there with Dr. R**********.
I did Ob/GYn at Michelle Reese instead of JPH becuz I wanted to get more experience ....awesome rotation but call schedule is Q4 days.
Electives at JPH that are great are ER and ID. I learned the most in these rotations. Nephrology is a good one too.
Hope this helps.

[Bhoot]

For those of you in the Chicago area doing rotations, what is the schedule like (in general)? I ask, because I am going into rotations as a single parent and need to get my system and back ups well planned. I know it may be different from day to day but any general observations about time would be helpful.

[naperthrill]

to be honest it really depends on what rotation you do and whom you do it with. There are people in chicago doing Surgery through Ross who dont go in every day or maybe only go for a few hours. On the other hand, there are also students who go in from 5-6-7am and dont leave till the evening. I think you can ask for easier/harder rotations depending on what you want.

[Doc Roc]

Thanks so much.. hope everyone's rotations are going well.

[RossMD2006]

Hi Doc Roc-

All rotations will show up as Jackson Park Hospital on the transcript. The residency programs will not know you did a pediatrics rotation in an outpatient setting unless you tell them. I did not do the rotation at JPH, but am doing rotations in the Chicago area. You can also do pediatric rotations at St. Anthony's Hospital I believe. Also, you can do numerous pediatric electives at Cook County Hospital in Chicago. Also, try Michael Reese Hospital. Wherever there is a peds residency program, I would suggest you do your rotations there.

Hope this helps.

[butters]

I was just wondering if anyone who did the peds rotation knows how the rotation shows up on your transcript does it say jackson park or the name of the clinic? I am going to applying for a peds residency and I wanted to know if doing an out pt thing would hurt my chances of getting a good residency. I also was wondering if anyone could tell me more about the rotation about the hours and if you get to go to the hospital at all. Is it necessary to have a car? does anyone know of cheap housing in the area for 6 weeks because I have an apt in NY I have to pay for as well? Some how this is the only rotation ross has available for peds before oct 29th of 2007 which would make it impossible to sent out my applications on time. Thanks so much.. hope everyone's rotations are going well.


Outpatient pedes at JPH is actually not even near JPH. It is in Joliet, a suburb about 40 min away from where JPH is located. I'm not sure if things have changed, but I've heard that you don't get to do much.

Like the above poster said, try to get your Pedes at St. Anthony's in Chicago. It is a much nicer hospital and has taken more Ross students into its program.

[salbhore]

Hi
I'm planning tgo do rotations at jackson Park and want to know who's Dr k and Dr S as they take studednts from any school Pls guide me who arranges these rotations

[Biobabe]

Hi
I'm planning tgo do rotations at jackson Park and want to know who's Dr k and Dr S as they take studednts from any school Pls guide me who arranges these rotations
I would suggest the education coordinator, docs prolly wouldn't have much to say.:bored:

[bevo]

Dr S will take from anyone I believe, but didnt take any students this current block. I'm not sure about Dr K. I do think he's loosened up some, but got no clue really. One surgeon (Dr D) is retiring this week. Some new guy was hired I heard. Peds can either be in hospital with NICU and Peds in the family health center. Or you can go out to Joliet. Basically, there is Inside JPH system and a outside the JPH system. Outside is rotations done outside the hospital through L*****. Everything is under the jackson park umbrella. Inside the JPH system is when you do IM at JPH. Dr R**** is outside the JPH system and you'll see surgeries at St Bernards primarly. The thing at Rush is more about getting people to do research there. You don't rotate at all, don't do anything clinical there. You can sit in lectures there from the research you get involved in. Not sure how strong that connection is. Heard recent block of students have been less willing to do this. OB - very low volume. In my rotation I've been around to see only 1 birth. Another occurred while I was on call but I was never notified by the nurses as everything had occured soon after my regular check in. I've scrubbed in once for an emergency C-section. Lectures are good with Dr N. Dr M (not peds M) can be good but are inconsistent.

[salbhore]

can someone pls specify which doctors r good for which rotations at jackson park pls thanku

[butters]

Dr S will take from anyone I believe, but didnt take any students this current block. I'm not sure about Dr K. I do think he's loosened up some, but got no clue really. One surgeon (Dr D) is retiring this week. Some new guy was hired I heard. Peds can either be in hospital with NICU and Peds in the family health center. Or you can go out to Joliet. Basically, there is Inside JPH system and a outside the JPH system. Outside is rotations done outside the hospital through L*****. Everything is under the jackson park umbrella. Inside the JPH system is when you do IM at JPH. Dr R**** is outside the JPH system and you'll see surgeries at St Bernards primarly. The thing at Rush is more about getting people to do research there. You don't rotate at all, don't do anything clinical there. You can sit in lectures there from the research you get involved in. Not sure how strong that connection is. Heard recent block of students have been less willing to do this. OB - very low volume. In my rotation I've been around to see only 1 birth. Another occurred while I was on call but I was never notified by the nurses as everything had occured soon after my regular check in. I've scrubbed in once for an emergency C-section. Lectures are good with Dr N. Dr M (not peds M) can be good but are inconsistent.


Dr S from JPH gives really good lectures to his students and has a majority of the OB patients that come into JPH to deliver. From a more recent block of students I know that they are scrubbing into a lot more C-sections and assisting with more deliveries...Deliveries are hot and cold depending on patient load. JPH doesn't have much of an OB population. With Dr. N and Mc u will see more Gynecology but they don't do as many deliveries.

Dr. K for IM is good and he works you like a Resident so you learn patient management inside and out. Also, he's really particular about doing a complete physical exam so you really get good experience with PE's and writing notes.

Dr. R for Surgery...rethink that choice b/c you won't be scrubbing in for Surgeries and he makes his students sit for hours at a time to listen to him lecture on and on about the Philosophy of Medicine. The new guy at JPH for Surgery is pretty good.

[naperthrill]

has anyone done the rotation with Dr. W at St. Bernards? Is it any good? What is the schedule like? Did you feel like you were prepared for step 2 (and if not, did you at least have a lot of down time to study on your own?)

Thanks for the info in advance,

[sheikh1]

How is the accomodation like.

[mtr]

I have OBY w/ dr.W at bernards.... dr.M for family same place...and peds at bethany hospital...

anyone know anything for these rotations? any advice?

:confused:

thanks

[RossMD2006]

Most, if all, the rotations in Chicago suck. (Anything connected to JPH). I did FM with Dr. M. He doesn't teach...you pretty much do H and P's and observe (like you did when you shadowed a doc as a premed). You get your patient exposure and get to practice interviewing. If anything, use it as a means to practice for the CS. (I know it's hard to start studying for it, if you're just beginning 3rd year, but believe me, come CS time, you may have wished you practiced for it during this useless rotation).

JPH is a cr*ppy hospital in Chicago. It's puts "community" in a community hospital. They got a FP residency there and thats it...and the FP program there sucks too. You will not know the meaning of a good rotation until you do one at a University setting/great community hospital.

I didn't do any of the other rotations you mentioned, but I hear peds at Bethany is aight. All outpatient...uris up the hizzle.

[ERMD5]

Most, if all, the rotations in Chicago suck. (Anything connected to JPH). I did FM with Dr. M. He doesn't teach...you pretty much do H and P's and observe (like you did when you shadowed a doc as a premed). You get your patient exposure and get to practice interviewing. If anything, use it as a means to practice for the CS. (I know it's hard to start studying for it, if you're just beginning 3rd year, but believe me, come CS time, you may have wished you practiced for it during this useless rotation).

JPH is a cr*ppy hospital in Chicago. It's puts "community" in a community hospital. They got a FP residency there and thats it...and the FP program there sucks too. You will not know the meaning of a good rotation until you do one at a University setting/great community hospital.

I didn't do any of the other rotations you mentioned, but I hear peds at Bethany is aight. All outpatient...uris up the hizzle.


It surprises me how ppl do their rotations and then talk bad about them. I know hte rotations in JPH are not hte best, but the fact is that u r the one who have to TRY to learn. For sure if u wanna slack u sure can, but if u wanna learn u'd have to step up for it. I think IM with Dr. K at JPH is not bad, he's gotta bad rep for being strict, but it makes u learn, again u gotta work hard at it. Some electives at JPH are very good. ID is excellent....u'll see all kinds of infections. I know till the time Dr. F was in ER...that rotation ws great, not sure about now. I didn't do FM there so I can't say. Some of the others u can look around in Michael Reese and St. Bernards. OB/Gyn at M.R was great.

[mtr]

hey...thanks for the help...i'm not too worried about the rotations themselves anymore....because i do agree that you have to make the rotation work .... although i'm sure there are places where the doc's just suck at teaching!

now i'm scared that st.bernard is not greenbook...or is it affiliated with jacksonpark or somethin? confused

[MD3]

I'm about to start my rotation in peds at Jackson park hospital/Grove Pediatrics. Is there any one who have done this rotation recently? How is the rotation? I'm also trying to find a place to stay in that's close to Buffalo Grove

[MD3]

Is the peds rotaion at Jackson park hospital, a green book rotation?

[pet127]

no it is not. it is suppose to certified through the family practice, so will not work if you are goingg to texas.

[chickshpro]

I just wanted to post something positive....

I did my spych rotation in Loretto Hospital in Chicago and it was super slow, never on call because the doctor we had only rotated in that hospital. I had Dr. G****** but Dr. D***** students had to do more hours. Overall, we got exposed to all the cases, got to interview the craziest people, learned, and got to observe how an hospital Psych ward works. They stabilize and send them out after a few days. I am actually happy I was not on call or had long hours because you can only deal with crazy people so much in one day...lol The doctor was nice, flexible, and interesting...

Family Practice I am doing in an outpatient facility with Dr. S******. She owns about 7 or 9 clinics and has us rotating between a few. The rotation is awesome! we get total hands on! We are learning to do paps, draw blood, do full PE, prescribe....I mean we do it all. She makes us see all her patients and write notes and then she comes in and checks the patient to see all we found is ok and we write the prescription she states and we see the next on... I heard horrible things about it before i got there, but honestly I love the fact that we have room to be independent, that is the only way to learn and not be nervous about doing labs and blood work...ect. And we are also supervised so we learn. Being in clinics also gives you the opportunity to see all types of cases and diseases.

[RossMD2006]

I am actually happy I was not on call or had long hours because you can only deal with crazy people so much in one day...lol The doctor was nice, flexible, and interesting...



Let's not say "crazy". I think it would be nicer to say psychiatric instead.

[vrs1008]

I am starting my rotations at Jackson park and just found out from relatives that the area around it is not very safe. If any one has done rotations there can you please tell me if its safe for a female?

[butters]

I am starting my rotations at Jackson park and just found out from relatives that the area around it is not very safe. If any one has done rotations there can you please tell me if its safe for a female?


Jackson Park is an inner city hospital on the South Side of Chicago...if you are not from the area, it means that it is not the safest of places. But like in any other major city, you just have to be careful. Don't walk by yourself around the area at night. I know that there is an apartment complex next door but I wouldn't recommend people (especially females) to live there. You are pretty much confined to your room at night because it isn't too safe to walk around. Try living in Hyde Park or closer to downtown.

You have to keep your guard up any time you move to a big city and do rotations. JPH security will walk you out to your car if you are at the hospital late at night. There have been a handful of cars that have been broken into at the Employee parking lot so make sure you lock your doors and close your windows...also, it may be helpful to invest in a Club for your steering wheel. Don't wear loud gold jewelery that will attract attention when you are walking within or outside of the hospital. Some students have left laptops lying around the hospital which have subsequently been stolen so always make sure you put your valuables in the Employee Locker rooms!

I know that what I'm writing may make some people scared but honestly, it's not that bad as long as you are not foolish about what you do. As long as you don't come into South Side Chicago expecting things to be anywhere close to Beverly Hills, CA, I think you'll be okay (translation: be cautious and use common sense).

[butters]

I'm about to start my rotation in peds at Jackson park hospital/Grove Pediatrics. Is there any one who have done this rotation recently? How is the rotation? I'm also trying to find a place to stay in that's close to Buffalo Grove





You might be better off living somewhere between Jackson Park and Buffalo Grove. Buffalo Grove is on the North Side of Chicago whereas Jackson Park is on the Southside. Try living somewhere in the middle such as the area around UIC/Rush or Downtown. The traffic can get really bad if you live on one side or the other.

[butters]

Most, if all, the rotations in Chicago suck. (Anything connected to JPH). I did FM with Dr. M. He doesn't teach...you pretty much do H and P's and observe (like you did when you shadowed a doc as a premed). You get your patient exposure and get to practice interviewing. If anything, use it as a means to practice for the CS. (I know it's hard to start studying for it, if you're just beginning 3rd year, but believe me, come CS time, you may have wished you practiced for it during this useless rotation).

JPH is a cr*ppy hospital in Chicago. It's puts "community" in a community hospital. They got a FP residency there and thats it...and the FP program there sucks too. You will not know the meaning of a good rotation until you do one at a University setting/great community hospital.

I didn't do any of the other rotations you mentioned, but I hear peds at Bethany is aight. All outpatient...uris up the hizzle.


Yes, JPH is not a University hospital or anything close to it...it is a small, inner city community hospital. But like a previous poster stated, there are 2 systems, one inside JPH and one that sends students to rotations outside of JPH. The rotations that I've had within JPH have actually been pretty good. But it comes down to a matter of perspective. If you want to be spoonfed material, no, you won't get that here. If you are willing to take an interest in the subject and work hard, you will enjoy and learn quite a bit from your rotations. The good thing about this hospital (unlike many University facilities), is that they will let students do a lot if the student wants to do it. The Attendings like to teach (but only if you are the type of student who will have the attitude to learn).

The rotations outside of JPH are hot and cold depending on the Attending and where you end up going.

I'm sorry that you haven't had a good experience with JPH but personally, I think it is a good place for students to get the opportunity to learn. The FP residents are nice and willing to teach if you ask them...unfortunately they are worked so hard that a lot of times they don't have time to go out of the way to search students out to teach them.

Just my opinion.

[vrs1008]

Jackson Park is an inner city hospital on the South Side of Chicago...if you are not from the area, it means that it is not the safest of places. But like in any other major city, you just have to be careful. Don't walk by yourself around the area at night. I know that there is an apartment complex next door but I wouldn't recommend people (especially females) to live there. You are pretty much confined to your room at night because it isn't too safe to walk around. Try living in Hyde Park or closer to downtown.

You have to keep your guard up any time you move to a big city and do rotations. JPH security will walk you out to your car if you are at the hospital late at night. There have been a handful of cars that have been broken into at the Employee parking lot so make sure you lock your doors and close your windows...also, it may be helpful to invest in a Club for your steering wheel. Don't wear loud gold jewelery that will attract attention when you are walking within or outside of the hospital. Some students have left laptops lying around the hospital which have subsequently been stolen so always make sure you put your valuables in the Employee Locker rooms!

I know that what I'm writing may make some people scared but honestly, it's not that bad as long as you are not foolish about what you do. As long as you don't come into South Side Chicago expecting things to be anywhere close to Beverly Hills, CA, I think you'll be okay (translation: be cautious and use common sense).

Thank you, this helps a lot. :)

[mpd210]

anyone know of any very easy 2 week elective in chicago. kaplan is a 6 week course and I need a 2 week elective to take while taking kaplan so that I'm not withdrawn from ross. We can only take a maximum of 4wks off before being withdrawn from the school.
I'm not sure how i could work out an elective and kaplan at the same time... Perhaps a night time elective?? any suggestions?

[naperthrill]

Has anyone done the Family Practice rotation in Woodridge with Dr. P? If so, how was it, what were the hours like, etc. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

[cdnzed]

Wondering if anyone with recent experience could share any insight regarding the rotation.

TIA

[naperthrill]

Has anyone done Emergency Medicine with Dr. L at Rosalind or Norwegian? What are the hours and schedule like. Please respond!

[tainted]

Hey People,

Has anyone done a Family Med rotation at St. Barnards with Dr. A? How is the teaching? and what are the hours like?

Also, I have never been to chicago :(- it would be awesome if someone could recommend some generally safer areas to live in being female? If someone has any housing recommendations that would be even better!!

And do we need cars there? Or is public transportation ok?
:confused:

Thanks

[butters]

Hey People,

Has anyone done a Family Med rotation at St. Barnards with Dr. A? How is the teaching? and what are the hours like?

Also, I have never been to chicago :(- it would be awesome if someone could recommend some generally safer areas to live in being female? If someone has any housing recommendations that would be even better!!

And do we need cars there? Or is public transportation ok?
:confused:

Thanks

u should drive a car to st. bernard's or have someone drop you off. St. bernard's is not in a good area...actually, it is in Englewood...one of the worst neighborhoods in Chicago. The hospital is nice but the surroundings are rough...buses and trains run right past the hospital but I don't think it's safe to take those around that area. i've heard of people getting their jewelery snatched at the train stations.

safer areas to live include hyde park (around 51-53 rd streets)...anything around university of chicago is okay. downtown and a little south of downtown are safe. a lot of students live near michael reese hospital because there are 8 high rise buildings near there that have affordable studios, 1 and 2 bedrooms.

good luck!

[shutterbugmd]

What's the deal with the ACGME standing of Jackson park??

[tainted]

u should drive a car to st. bernard's or have someone drop you off. St. bernard's is not in a good area...actually, it is in Englewood...one of the worst neighborhoods in Chicago. The hospital is nice but the surroundings are rough...buses and trains run right past the hospital but I don't think it's safe to take those around that area. i've heard of people getting their jewelery snatched at the train stations.

safer areas to live include hyde park (around 51-53 rd streets)...anything around university of chicago is okay. downtown and a little south of downtown are safe. a lot of students live near michael reese hospital because there are 8 high rise buildings near there that have affordable studios, 1 and 2 bedrooms.

good luck!


Thanks for your advice. I am off to chicago next month and definately not prepared for it! But your suggestions on housing areas are great.

[ross_student05]

So looks like there hasn't been any new info for a while. I'm scheduling "easy" electives in Chicago so i can study for Step 2. In NY, they are mostly pretty tough or booked so I got out.
I tentatively have ID scheduled at Roseland Hospital with Dr. S****Q** (offsite of JPH) and GI at Norweigian with some other person. Both were setup with the JP Affiliated Sites contacts we get through our Ross advisor. Any info on these? Or any other rotations that are "easy" (easy = not 8hr/day, 5 days/wk). From what I heard, most Chicago rotations are only few days a week or 2-3 hours a day... but which ones are these?! thanks for any info

[StepperK]

try NOT to live south of Irving Park Road if at all possible. If nothing else, use the Metra to get to the hospital. Jackson Park Hospital is smack in the middle of the Cottage Grove area and if not the worst area of Chicago, then the second. (along with the near West)

[caribbean_amphibian]

What's the quickest way to go about setting up a couple electives at JPH?

[seandubbers]

any idea how jackson park hospital is in chicago for rotations? i checked out their site and it seems like they offer all core, and even a few electives. this might me helpful for you guys lookin for a place.

[sukhtinder]

it was great for cores im my day, everyone wanted to work there, i dunno how it is now.

[Sree Cheruku]

offer all core

Nothing but family at that hospital is Green. See the second link in my signature for places you can't practice if you do anything else at JPH.

[jcu]

http://www.valuemd.com/ross-university-clinical-forum/40618-jackson-park-hospital-chicago.html

...

[seandubbers]

ok im kinda new here, and im still confused as to what exactly a greenbook is?

can i use a combo of hospitals in the chicago land area to complete all my cores and electives (greenbook).

funny thing is im not even at ross yet lol i guess im getting ahead of myself

[duwende]

wayyy ahead of yourself

[medic300107]

but if you must know ck this link http://www.valuemd.com/aua-medical-school-clinical-forum/139617-what-greenbook-rotation.html

[jim]

though you should always be concerned about greenbook status, everybody i knew from JPH had no rpoblems getting licensure anyweher in the US. including cali, Pa(god only knows why anyone would want to work there) and texas. i could start a list of other states, suffice it to say they are easier to get license then those 3 mentioned.

[seandubbers]

ok so i checked this site :ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access (http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/)

and i did a search for IM rotations. many of Ross's affiliates are not listed?

am i doing this correctly?

[seandubbers]

also does it matter if electives are greenbook? ive been running a search and alot of the affiliates dont show up on the list of ACGME hospitals. I keep seeing UIC, rush , etc

[kobaism]

I have a question, my school is telling me that Jackson Park is Green Book under the family medicine umbrella, is that actually true? also has anyone here completed rotations at Jackson Park and was able to be licensed in NY, Illinois, or Michigan?

[09shine]

wow, a great thread going here - very informative! So I'd like to start off by thanking all of you for posting such vital info on here!

I also have a bunch of questions that still remain unanswered - I am looking to start my rotations soon and would like to consider Chicago the prime option...but just want to get some info on what I'm getting into. So here goes:

1) If your school does not have affiliations in a certain state, does that automatically mean you cannot do more than 12wks of a rotation there? Or does this rule vary by state - and if so, how can I get more info as to states and their respective max alotted time for foreign medical school students?
[ example: my school is not affiliated in NY, therefore I'm told I can only do up to 12wks there (I'm assuming elective?). However, if I wanted to set up everything in NC (provided I do the leg-work), will that be allowed? ]

2) Could you please rank the following chicago hospitals in terms of safe area / all cores & or electives being greenbook / good teaching:
cook county hosp, st. bernard's, st. elizabeth, jackson park
>also, any suggestions for nearby affordable (cheap) housing in these areas would be veryyy appreciated!!

3) To double check the credibility of 'greenbook' status for rotations, would I simply need to call the hospital and ask for their residency programs list? (so basically, if the hosp has a residency in IM, OBGYN, Peds, etc etc then those cores are greenbook, correct?) Do the 4 hospitals listed above have greenbook electives offered as well?

I know this is asking quite a bit - - I would be very grateful to any kind soul that could provide me with some guidance and answers!! Very deeply appreciate you reading this - thanks in advance for your time & effort!!!