Is the white coat ceremony after grad.

[hassaholic]

I thought it was when 4 years of med school are over, but someone told me its during orientation?

[OLDPRO]

I thought it was when 4 years of med school are over, but someone told me its during orientation?

No on both, White Coat is graduation from Basic Sciences, After 2 years of Medical school. In other Schools you Take Step 1 and then go to Clinicals for the last 2 years of school. Now at St. Chris you will go to 5th semester after White coat Which is Intro to clinical med and Physical Diagnosis.

Cheers.

[ansgenius]

Some schools do their white coat their first day, representing the entrance into medical studies. We don't do it that way. We do it to represent the transition from basic sciences to clinical studies.

[Bob2k]

Well, US med schools do the white coat ceremony at the start of med school because getting into a US med school actually means, in 90 percent of cases anyway, both that you're qualified to be a doctor and that you will be a doctor.

Attending St Chris means neither of those things. If anything, you should move your white coat ceremony to after graduation when and if anyone from your unlicensed, unaccredited school is actually granted a residency.

[DiscoDoc]

If anything, you should move your white coat ceremony to after graduation when and if anyone from your unlicensed, unaccredited school is actually granted a residency.

Uh-oh, here we go....:rolleyes:

[ansgenius]

Well, US med schools do the white coat ceremony at the start of med school because getting into a US med school actually means, in 90 percent of cases anyway, both that you're qualified to be a doctor and that you will be a doctor.

Attending St Chris means neither of those things. If anything, you should move your white coat ceremony to after graduation when and if anyone from your unlicensed, unaccredited school is actually granted a residency.

Mmm...that whole post was troll-licious. Nevermind that people have gotten licensed (one of them being posted up here), and nevermind that we have people in residency. Awww...too bad, nice try. Keep trying for the troll hall of fame though. Speaking of which, we should have one of those.

[OLDPRO]

Well, US med schools do the white coat ceremony at the start of med school because getting into a US med school actually means, in 90 percent of cases anyway, both that you're qualified to be a doctor and that you will be a doctor.

Attending St Chris means neither of those things. If anything, you should move your white coat ceremony to after graduation when and if anyone from your unlicensed, unaccredited school is actually granted a residency.

This of course is an opinion:

St. Christophers is an offshore Foriegn Medical school, Chartered by Senegal, WHO, and IMED listed.

Foriegn Medical schools are chartered not accredited by any body from the United States nor Lic by them. Sorry but what was stated was not a fact.

Cheers

[azskeptic]

This of course is an opinion:

St. Christophers is an offshore Foriegn Medical school, Chartered by Senegal, WHO, and IMED listed.

Foriegn Medical schools are chartered not accredited by any body from the United States nor Lic by them. Sorry but what was stated was not a fact.

Cheers What he should have said is that St. Chris is not UK chartered and not under the supervision of the UK medical college evaluation system. He is incorrect obviously when he says you aren't chartered: St. Chris is chartered in Senegal and indeed IMED/Who recognized in Senegal. Its recognition does not mention the UK officially but one assumes that a satellite school is part of that recognition. We'll all know more when NY finishes its evaluation of Senegal, which it must do to approve or reject St. Chris.

[OLDPRO]

What he should have said is that St. Chris is not UK chartered and not under the supervision of the UK medical college evaluation system. He is incorrect obviously when he says you aren't chartered: St. Chris is chartered in Senegal and indeed IMED/Who recognized in Senegal. Its recognition does not mention the UK officially but one assumes that a satellite school is part of that recognition. We'll all know more when NY finishes its evaluation of Senegal, which it must do to approve or reject St. Chris.

Well I'm very tired of this debate, On the St. Chris Web site it states the School is chartered in Senegal, the GMC in England has:

From their web site:

http://www.gmc-uk.org/med_ed/default.htm


St. Christopher's College of Medicine, Luton (http://www.stchris.edu/)

This institution currently awards degrees from the St. Christopher's College of Medicine, Senegal which is WHO listed and therefore we accept its degrees for the purpose of registration.


So it looks as if they "Recognise" St. Chris and know where the school is from.

I see that there are many Carrib school who are not "accredited by the US also."

Cheers

[OLDPRO]

Well, US med schools do the white coat ceremony at the start of med school because getting into a US med school actually means, in 90 percent of cases anyway, both that you're qualified to be a doctor and that you will be a doctor.

Attending St Chris means neither of those things. If anything, you should move your white coat ceremony to after graduation when and if anyone from your unlicensed, unaccredited school is actually granted a residency.

You are really off base in the fact that just because you are accepted into med school in the US it DOES NOT MAKE YOU A DOCTOR! Passing the USLME steps 1 and 2 and actual grad from med school makes you a doctor! Thats true everywhere! How arrogant an wrong!

[FLK]

Well I'm very tired of this debate, On the St. Chris Web site it states the School is chartered in Senegal, the GMC in England has:

From their web site:

http://www.gmc-uk.org/med_ed/default.htm


St. Christopher's College of Medicine, Luton (http://www.stchris.edu/)

This institution currently awards degrees from the St. Christopher's College of Medicine, Senegal which is WHO listed and therefore we accept its degrees for the purpose of registration.


So it looks as if they "Recognise" St. Chris and know where the school is from.

I see that there are many Carrib school who are not "accredited by the US also."

Cheers

So are you trying to tell folks that being recognised by is the same as chartered by, because this is what Dean said, and you somehow are challenging his statement?




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Medical schools in the UK or a British Overseas Territory whose students receive degrees from a university based outside the British mainland.

These medical schools award degrees from an overseas University where some or all of the teaching takes place in the UK or a British Overseas Territory. Their parent universities are not subject to any quality assurance arrangements by the QAA nor are the medical schools subject to any quality assurance arrangements by the GMC. In addition, students are not necessarily entitled to apply to the student loans company (http://www.slc.co.uk/) for government funding towards the cost of their tuition fees.

A degree from one of these institutions does not give any automatic entitlement to registration with the GMC; graduates will additionally be required, amongst other things, to provide the GMC with additional objective evidence of their capability for practice, most commonly by passing the PLAB test (http://www.gmc-uk.org/register/plabdetails.htm), in order to gain registration.

Whilst these arrangements are legal under UK law, in the absence of UK based quality assurance cover, the GMC advises potential applicants to assure themselves about the following issues before making any financial commitments:

Is the school financially stable and will it exist for the duration of my studies?
There have been instances of schools failing in recent years.

Am I sure that I will be awarded a degree from an institution that is listed in the World Health Organisation's (WHO) Directory of Medical Schools?
Some schools have long standing relationships with WHO listed Universities. Others appear to change allegiances regularly.

Are graduates allowed to practise medicine in the country where the degree is awarded?
This may give some indication as to whether local quality assurance arrangements are operating and the outcomes of any such arrangements.

What are the views of the existing students studying at the medical school?
There are various web discussion forums available where students have posted their views and comments about medical schools which may provide an indication as to whether they are satisfied with their choice of school.

The institutions operating in this category are listed below. Please note that this list only contains institutions we have been made aware of and so may not be exhaustive. The GMC reserves the right to alter its view of these institutions at any time in the future.

If you wish to check the status of any school not listed here please contact registrationhelp@gmc-uk.org (registrationhelp@gmc-uk.org)

Institution & Location

Degree awarding institution and their status with the WHO and GMC*

(* Correct as at 15 June 2005)

European College of Medicine, London (http://www.euromedicine.org/)

This institution currently awards degrees from St Luke's College Liberia. Whilst it is WHO listed and as such we would normally accept the degrees for the purpose of registration, there is some speculation as to whether the medical school is accredited by the Liberian government. In light of the information received we are currently reviewing whether we will accept its qualifications for the purpose of registration. We expect to reach a decision in September 2005.

Grace University School of Medicine, London (http://www.grace-usom.org/)

This institution was previously affiliated to Grace University School of Medicine in Belize and the College of Medicine and Health Sciences in Saint Lucia. It is awaiting accreditation from a new host country. We currently do not accept degrees awarded by this institution as it is unclear who is awarding them.

London College of Medicine, London (http://www.londonmedicalschool.org/)

London School of Medicine, London (http://www.londonmedicalschool.org/)

London Medical School, London (http://www.londonmedicalschool.org/)

The parent institution appears to have changed its name several times. It was previously affiliated to the International University of Health Sciences in St. Kitts and Nevis. It is currently affiliated to the College of Medicine and Health Sciences in Saint Lucia. Whilst this institution is WHO listed, it is only provisionally accredited by the Government of St. Lucia until September 2005. Its degrees may not be acceptable for the purpose of registration after this date.

School of Health and Neural Sciences, Nottingham (http://www.journals.graph.org.uk/med.html)

This institution currently awards degrees from the College of Medicine and Health Sciences in Saint Lucia. Whilst this institution is WHO listed, it is only provisionally accredited by the Government of St. Lucia until September 2005. Its degrees may not be acceptable for the purpose of registration after this date.

Medical College London, Montserrat (http://www.mcl-edu.co.uk/index2.html)

This institution currently awards degrees from the University of Science, Arts and Technology, Montserrat, British West Indies which is not WHO listed. We do not accept its degrees for the purpose of registration.

American International School of Medicine, UK satellite campus (http://www.aism.edu/)

This institution currently awards degrees from the American International School of Medicine, Guyana which is WHO listed. We accept its degrees for the purpose of registration.

St. Matthew's University School of Medicine, Cayman Islands (http://www.stmatthews.edu/)

This institution currently awards degrees from the St. Matthew's University School of Medicine, Cayman Islands which is WHO listed. We accept its degrees for the purpose of registration.

St. Christopher's College of Medicine, Luton (http://www.stchris.edu/)

This institution currently awards degrees from the St. Christopher's College of Medicine, Senegal which is WHO listed and therefore we accept its degrees for the purpose of registration.



Kigezi International School of Medicine, Cambridge (http://www.studyoverseas.com/america/usuni/kigezi.htm)

This institution currently awards degrees from the Kigezi International School of Medicine, Uganda which is WHO listed and therefore we accept its degrees for the purpose of registration. However, we believe that this school is no longer functioning due to financial difficulties but have no confirmation of this.

Breyer State University, Alabama, USA (http://www.breyerstate.com/)

This institution currently awards degrees from the University of Science, Arts and Technology, Montserrat, British West Indies which is not WHO listed. We do not accept its degrees for the purpose of registration.

Lady Memorial Medical College, Florida, USA

This institution currently awards degrees from the University of Science, Arts and Technology, Montserrat, British West Indies which is not WHO listed. We do not accept its degrees for the purpose of registration

[OLDPRO]

So are you trying to tell folks that being recognised by is the same as chartered by, because this is what Dean said, and you somehow are challenging his statement?
No No Why can't people like you read the written word:

1. I have written "The School is chartered in Senegal."
2. I posted a link and copied the infromation from the GMC in the UK.
The GMC states in writting they accept degrees from St. Chris and that
St. Chris is a Senegal school. Do you need it repeated 100 times before it
is clear? I could post all the links in which this has been discussed at
nausem, give me a minute and I could just do that! I bet it has been posted with you and others at least 15 to 25 times in the last 2 years.

Jealous huh?

[FLK]

No No Why can't people like you read the written word:

1. I have written "The School is chartered in Senegal."
2. I posted a link and copied the infromation from the GMC in the UK.
The GMC states in writting they accept degrees from St. Chris and that
St. Chris is a Senegal school. Do you need it repeated 100 times before it
is clear? I could post all the links in which this has been discussed at
nausem, give me a minute and I could just do that! I bet it has been posted with you and others at least 15 to 25 times in the last 2 years.

Jealous huh?

jealous of what?
your inability to practice medicine in multiple states?

[OLDPRO]

jealous of what?
your inability to practice medicine in multiple states?
Jelous St. Chris keeps getting better, Once NY comes through I think other states will come through also. (Won't that just curl your milk! St. Chris has another good thing happen)

Oh reciprocity is always a way in. But I don't have to tell you that.

And I do not care about the other states at my age once I settle down in my practice I will not go to the other states anyway. ( I want to do FP in some hick town unlike many of you who dream of 500,000 a year in some big city)

Personally for me all the good things that happen to my school HELPS ME, so thats why I care. Why you care so much is beyond me.


Good Luck

[FLK]

Jelous St. Chris keeps getting better, Once NY comes through I think other states will come through also. (Won't that just curl your milk! St. Chris has another good thing happen)

Oh reciprocity is always a way in. But I don't have to tell you that.

And I do not care about the other states at my age once I settle down in my practice I will not go to the other states anyway. ( I want to do FP in some hick town unlike many of you who dream of 500,000 a year in some big city)

Personally for me all the good things that happen to my school HELPS ME, so thats why I care. Why you care so much is beyond me.


Good Luck

well I do hope you fulfill your desire to settle down in a small town and practice medicine. God knows, people in rural areas are very deserving of stable healthcare. It's not for me, but if that's what you want then best of luck to you