Reconsider attending Ross

[Ganja Magic]

This is to all the prospective students out there.

Read the posts about the Classroom One fiasco and the administrators here, and the fallout over the next few days. Read older posts about the problems at Ross. And think hard. Consider that this will be your life for the next sixteen months, and then make your decision about attending Ross. It probably won't be an easy decision for a lot of you.

[Fear]

im not one to judge since i wasn't there, but it seems that you guys are escalating this problem. you were kicked out of a room... aha... that doesn't happen anywhere. i went to a major state university where this is routine. don't you have apartments you can return to and study there? i mean what happened isn't right no matter how you look at it, but to call it a fiasco is a little harsh. again i wasn't there, and if i was i would have probably been furious, but if you look at the situation from the side, its really not a big deal. and why would you engage in a heated argument with someone you KNOW you shouldn't be doing that with.

[bevo]

knowing the events that have occurred here since I have joined the Ross community.

I would still have matriculated to this school.

Its very easy to get tangled up in the problems this school and island have from time to time. But in the end, I think you have to keep focused and let certain things go and just concentrate with the goal in mind.

I didnt enjoy what occurred today and I hope it will never happen again, but I have a feeling it will occur again, more than a few times. But I am not going to run away. I will just have to find a better way to adapt to the situation next time.

Coming home isn't an option for me. I get nothing done here.
I will have to look for some other place to setup if it happens again.

[Fear]

if you haven't noticed the problems that people post about = bugs, switching rooms, and copy machines... i hope that's the least of the problems, any other school has these "problems" and more. sometimes we just have to suck things up. remember a lot of US schools don't have forums like this, or aren't as popular, so no one hears about minor details like this, but this forum is created because going away to school creates many questions that can be answered here, while those questions are being answered, many things are brought to light, then people think Ross is the only place with problems, and then start posting recommendations to reconsider, SUCK IT UP.

[Cuando2]

Guys...relax. This isnt such a big deal. The event that was scheduled to take place in classroom 1 never ended up taking place there anyway. It was relocated promptly and the students in CR1 were allowed to study. I wasnt there, but I imagine the disturbance that the students INSIDE the room experienced wasnt much longer than the ones earlier this semester from a string of 2-3 power outages every 5 mins (probably had some problem with the generator or something). And the above poster is right, a "heated" argument should never have taken place with whichever administrator was present. I'm sure in the back of his/her mind, (s)he figured you guys should have been professional enough to not have to bother calling him/her out in the middle of the night just to resolve this. Thats something that elementary school kids do...they call the teacher out to resolve their problems for them. On top of that, the person IS part of the administration and deserves some respect...yet once again, I was not there so I cannot say for sure if the student(s) who talked with him/her were respectful or not, but after seeing how many students down here behave (arrogance), they think they're on top of the admin.

The organization that requested the room was allowed to have that room for the few hours it needed it for...it IS a student association just like all the others here at school...it DID deserve to have the room regardless of how many members it is comprised of. Its not like the organization came in and demanded the room be emptied...it was formally scheduled to have that room. All organizations should be equal...just because others may be more established and have a larger student base does not mean it shall be entitled to more respect/privelages.

I have already been here for 2 semesters and never had any problems that you anticipate future students will have. Many people at this school open their mouths about the smallest things because they feel that they CAN...they feel that since this school is smaller than the massive state school they came from, they can have their way for everything...oh and this too becuase now they are professional medical students...sorry, but this same type of administrative stuff goes on at massive schools at home also...just that there, everyone is just a number to the admin so nobody bothers...they just suck it up and move along. Sure, the administration is going to have rules and ways to enforce them, thats just the way it has to be, otherwise this place would be chaos. Every school is like that.

[pablo]

Since when is 4pm the middle of the night?? This is what time the adm. was called...obviously if this person is on call they are getting paid and taking 15 mins out of their day to assist their customers should not be too much...remember who pays their salaries.

For your information...the dispute was settled between the students in the room and the club..they agreed they would move to another room and the students also stated they would not mind moving...one problem..all rooms locked! Security refused to open another room w/o ok from administration...please consider all these facts and you will see there was not choice but to involve administration...I agree they should not be bothered if at all possibe, but remeber they are here to do a job and are getting paid handsomely for it...maybe you agree with pueschel that ross does not owe you anything for your 10000 every 3 months?

[canon]

The issue here is the respect for the students. It does not matter if the dispute was settled in the end or not. It was very disappointing to read the
following statements from an earlier post:



"Remember this: Mr. Pueschel has the power and authority of a dean. He has the power to expel you. He is a very scary person who will never, I REPEAT, NEVER side with the student(s)."

What is this? This is a medical school not "Saddam's territory" that if you voice your opinions, then you will be thrown out. Now, I do find some truth in Nasir's complaints. I am certainly going to bring this issue to administration in NJ and Dr. Rios. I do not know how much difference would it make to talk to someone in NJ but I will do my best to bring this subject to administration's attention. After all, this is where my future is going to be.

[felixthecatheathcliffgarf]

At any school you don't intentionally argue with a person that could get you expelled unless you a)don't want to attend the school anymore, b)don't care, c) know you can win, or d) feel that the principle at hand is worth the risk of any consequence. I personally think the administrator was in the wrong from the accounts I've read. How he reacted (not acted) really set the tone. Regardless, I'm still applying to Ross. I attended an undergraduate institution where alot of the faculty and administration frankly don't give a rat's behind; I've had my share of dealing with these types of reactions and I've followed through with all of the options listed above at some time or another. My point is, you should really pick your battles with a quick but careful assessment of the situation; conclusion jumping is sure to get your gluteal burned, no matter what option you choose.

[Ganja Magic]

My point is, you should really pick your battles with a quick but careful assessment of the situation; conclusion jumping is sure to get your butt burned, no matter what option you choose.

An excellent point. No one is going to win a fight with Pueschel or any of the Deans. Thankfully noone threw punches (literal or verbal) yesterday, and noone gave their name, so hopefully nobody will get expelled. It is a sad state of affairs, but there is no point picking this fight. Students cannot win on this campus, period. Let's accept it.

Now more than ever, its time to bury our heads back in the books.

[Cuando2]

So I am assuming that you now understand that you cannot pick fights with any adminstrators on ANY campus...and therefore, you understand that it was wrong for you to say to "reconsider Ross" in a recent thread post. What others have posted so far should hopefully allow you to realize this...

[IDreamOfMedicine]

So I am assuming that you now understand that you cannot pick fights with any adminstrators on ANY campus...and therefore, you understand that it was wrong for you to say to "reconsider Ross" in a recent thread post. What others have posted so far should hopefully allow you to realize this...

From what I got reading from the posts so far is that there were no "fights" or anything that should have angered that Administrator. The students were denied study time and were not notified of the event that was going to take place that day at that library. He had no right to go off on the students because correct me if I am wrong, but it so far seems like the faults were of the Administration and not the kids. Also, the party was even scheduled last minute from what I understand. Next, the students have EVERY right to argue with Administrators over the right cause and especially when they are being robbed of what they paid for. I find it very hard to believe that such administator is still employed by Ross even after so many run-ins with the students. Also, it wasn't wrong for Ganja Magic to say "reconsider Ross" because from what I understand, this forum is for information and that student is informing prospective students on what they will deal with. From reading the posts so far, it seems like the students who experienced this situation first hand seemed very angered, so let me ask you this question: were you there to experience it first hand? and put yourself in their shoes, how would you feel? anger? helplessness? upset? This forum is good for voicing opinions with other students, but if you want something done or resolved, I would recommend organizing yourselves and confronting the administration with what is going on at your school and the issues you need to resolve. Good luck with everything guys

[tiredintern]

I still remember when I was at sgu and admin decided that the micro lab needed to be carpeted at 1:00 AM the night before the mirco final... and the time 50+ students were kicked out of a lecture hall so the indian club could practice their dancing... and the time my friend was robbed 3 times walking to his house before the school made the bus driver drop him off at his door instead of 3 blocks away. How about the time we held our post midterm party at a local club and gangs of grenadians showed up looking to kick our butts.. or the time a female students apartment was broken into and robbed while she was in the shower.

What I'm trying to say is that these events are not isolated to any particular carribean medical school, they are just a fact of life when this many people, most with deep rooted mental issues, are torn away from everyone and everything they know and tossed into a VERY stressful environment. Yes it sucks to be you right now, but guess what.. it will be over soon enough and you will have real problems to deal with. I still havent forgotten all the hell I endured at the hands of sgu administration but compared to the 19th minute of a frantic code listening to a woman screaming down the hall "please dont let my father die" it all seems very petty and miniscule.

[ross guy]

This thread says volumes more about certain Ross students than it does about the administration.

First of all, this is a MINOR issue. So you were asked to move to a different location to study, and myabee it was porrly handled, but coming on an internet forum and complaining to perspective students will do nothing.

I also wouldn't judge the administration just by this one incident. In my experience here at Ross, I have found the administration to be interested in the students and sensitive of students' needs. This is minor. Also, complaining about this incident on an internet forum is childish and petty.

I am not suprised that many Ross students report trouble with the administration; not because the administration is difficult to deal with, but because most Ross students lack the maturity, tact, and social skills to handle such a situation appropriately.

Ganja Magic, I know you are very unhappy here. If you are advising others not to come to Ross, perhaps you should take your own advise and leave, maybee transfer into another medical school. In this and in previous posts, it is quite aparent that you are unhappy at Ross. Please do not continue to use this forum as your personal wailing wall. I am sure you are like virtually all Ross students, unable to get into a US medical school. If you really want to be a doctor, stop your constant complaing on this forum ans study. If you are truly that unhappy with the way things are here at Ross, SGA elections are coming up, perhaps you should run (although I certainly wouldn't vote you, others proably would). Just please, study, leave, or take action by running for SGA, but please stop complaing on this forum. Your complaints do nothing to improve the school, only trash the reputation of Ross. Although you are bitter about being here remember, when it comes time to apply for a residency, the reputation of your medical school does matter; I would suggest to you and everyone else on this forum to remember that before posting anything on this forum. If you attend Ross and do anything to harm its reputation, in the end, you are only hurting yourself.

[Fear]

Ross Guy thanks for your post, exactly what i wanted to say...

[Cuando2]

Wow, i couldnt agree with "ross guy" more. And I must say, you took all that I've wanted to say, and more, and put it into a great post.

I especially agree that if "Ganja Magic" is not happy with this school at all, and is posting that others should reconsider Ross, then I do not understand why he/she does not reconsider his/her own position here at Ross. As far as I understand it, you are in first semester. It would not be hard to transfer to another school and start fresh, with a school that you had done plenty of research on to determine whether or not it meets your needs. Personally, I would rather you go to a different school rather than have you experience something you do not agree with and complain about here on these boards...mainly because I, nor OTHERS at this school, would want to have trouble finding a GOOD residency because people read these comments from a few disgruntled students which are tarnishing the image of our school. Please, take a moment to reconsider your options.

[2ndyear]

Thanks for sharing your experiences, TiredIntern; every school has its fair share of problems. Best of luck!

[Kevin]

I Used these forums to read everyones views about Ross (good and bad). Some people will have good things to say and some wont. But if you tell everyone who says anything bad about a school to not post, then you will not get a good picture of what going to that school is like. Ganja was not telling people to not go to Ross, he was just giving his view of the school and saying to think his experiences before going. I think people need to look and both sides and then make the best decision for themselves. It is obvious that many people (not only ganja) are upset with the Ross Admin, and this is a very important topic when considering a school. I have heard complaints about the Ross Admin for a long time and it was one of the main reason I decided not to attend. Ganja keep on posting your opinions, it is great to see the other side of the story.

[TopGunner]

When thinking about this situation, I was reminded of a great philosopher who once said "I could get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a cow's [***], but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." I am a prospective student, I applied to Ross, and I want to get in. However, I'm not sure if I'll go here, nor will I be until I analyze a multitude of factors, both academic and non. I'd rather hear about these things beforehand than to step foot on the island and be disgruntled.

People have said some really insightful things about the situation at hand. I think attending an institution of higher learning warrants the teachers/faculty to act in a professional manner. They should also realize that, as educators, it is their job to provide a nurturing environment, regardless of the $$$. At the same time, I don't think that posting negative information about this particular incident will be the deciding factor for any prospective. For all you people that seem to be saying "OK, stop whining and either do something or shut up and study," I agree with you too. People should keep things in perspective. One isolated incident should not warrant a hatred for the entire institution, and people SHOULD take more interest in these things and run for SGA. But please, don't sugar coat anything. Active involvement to reform starts with honest and open discussion, so tell it like it really is, good or bad.

[Silenthunder]

I have a few comments on the situation at hand,

I am not a student at Ross, but am a person applying to Ross, and will possibly be attending Ross in the near future. As such, I appreciate hearing about all the experiences that people are having at Ross: both good and bad.

Specifically I wish to comment on Ross guy's comments about Ganja magic, and all the people who agreed with Ganja magic (great name btw :D )

First of all, this is a MINOR issue. So you were asked to move to a different location to study, and myabee it was porrly handled, but coming on an internet forum and complaining to perspective students will do nothing.

Were they asked to move to a differnt location, or simply to MOVE? Was an alternat location provided for students to go to? It seems that part of this problem is that people don't have enough space to study in while at Ross. Perhaps this is a MINOR issue to some, but for me it would quickly become a major issue, since:

1. I need to STUDY to get good grades, and
2. if I can't be in a good environment to study, I will not get good grades

Also, complaining about this incident on an internet forum is childish and petty.

Is it? I thought that it was a rather good way to get other people's opinions on the matter. For some people it will actually help to understand the situations from many different perspectives. It also helps to inform other people who are not at Ross, that the place may not be as conducive to learning as the admin would like people to believe. In addition, it seems like some people are afraid of going directly to admin, so that a forum where they are posting (almost) anonymously would be a good place to present these arguments for consideration.

but because most Ross students lack the maturity, tact, and social skills to handle such a situation appropriately.

Isn't this generalizing a bit? If it isn't, do I really want to attend an institution where the majority of my peers lack "maturity, tact, and social skills"? It seems as if you are criticizing a group of individuals directly, in order to pull emphasis away from their main argument (which actually WAS the focus of this thread.....).

Although you are bitter about being here remember, when it comes time to apply for a residency, the reputation of your medical school does matter; I would suggest to you and everyone else on this forum to remember that before posting anything on this forum. If you attend Ross and do anything to harm its reputation, in the end, you are only hurting yourself.

Perhaps Ross does have a reputation for producing decent doctors. But it seems it is quickly earning a reputation for abusing it's students trust. The two things are fairly unrelated in my eyes.

I want to voice my support for ALL the people who post comments on these forums, both good and bad. Even Ross Guy, while some of his/her comments may be a bit off the mark, he brought up a few good points, and a valid perspective on the situation (ie. that it is seemingly minor to some students).

I think Ganja Magic should run for SGA if he/she feels this strongly about student issues, and if he/she thinks they would be able to get something done.

hope everyone's doing well,

Cheers,

Silenthunder

[Cuando2]

Were they asked to move to a differnt location, or simply to MOVE? Was an alternat location provided for students to go to? It seems that part of this problem is that people don't have enough space to study in while at Ross. Perhaps this is a MINOR issue to some, but for me it would quickly become a major issue, since:

1. I need to STUDY to get good grades, and
2. if I can't be in a good environment to study, I will not get good grades
When you get down here, you will find that there will be a place for you to study. Even if your primary space is taken (let's say you had a favorite seat in the library somewhere), there are plenty of places to move to. On top of this, not EVERY student studies on campus. MANY students study at home. You will realize this from 1.)meeting/talking to people 2.) realizing that you never see certain people around after classes. So yes, many do study at home. I can say that half-and-half. The people who live across from me are constantly home studying, even when the power is out (they light up a few candles). Ultimate point...you WILL find a place to study, dont worry.

Is it? I thought that it was a rather good way to get other people's opinions on the matter. For some people it will actually help to understand the situations from many different perspectives. It also helps to inform other people who are not at Ross, that the place may not be as conducive to learning as the admin would like people to believe. In addition, it seems like some people are afraid of going directly to admin, so that a forum where they are posting (almost) anonymously would be a good place to present these arguments for consideration.

Yes, it would be useless for the most part to post on these boards. These boards are frequented almost entirely by current or prospective students. A lot of people are doing fine here as far as grades, so suggesting that this place is not "...conducive to learning..." makes no sense. No matter what anyone says, the final determining factor in a person's grades is the person him/herself.

Special events do not go on in the larger classrooms each day. They are usually isolated to a few days in the one or two weeks after a mini examination. Once again, the situation did not ultimately require the students to leave the classroom and were still allowed to study...so how can this all create an environment that is not "conducive to learning?" I still think that the situation could have been resolved without the need to call the administrative official...even though I was not there, I feel as though the group who needed the room would have relocated anyway.

Isn't this generalizing a bit?

All I can say about this one is: just wait until you get down here. You will realize what your classmates are like. This school is obviously giving many more a chance to seek their goal of being a physician. There will be many classmates who attempted (and were probably qualified for) acceptance into a US school, and there will be many who are not. And yes, you will have a student here and there who will think the human heart is "heart-shaped." They are given the chance to prove themselves, and you will notice that your class will shrink as you move on to each successive semester. Many students will end up leaving for a multitude of reasons. Anyhow, you will realize how "whiney" your classmates are, and your class reps will probably be the most annoyed with it. Just keep in mind however, students are "whiney" at even medical schools back home in the US (and Canada).

I think Ganja Magic should run for SGA if he/she feels this strongly about student issues, and if he/she thinks they would be able to get something done.

From what I have seen of SGA representatives, they seem to be the type who do like their school and have less to complain about. They are the ones who hear the students who are not as happy with school. To me, it seems as if "ganja magic" is the type of person who is prepared to depart to another school.

[felixthecatheathcliffgarf]

I don't really care if the posts on this forum are negative or positive. It seems it's my responsibility to sift through all of the opinons posted and extract what I can from them.

Although some posts are annoying (blah) and others are useless (funny :lol: ). Had to stick my cent and a half in.

[TopGunner]

A lot of people are doing fine here as far as grades, so suggesting that this place is not "...conducive to learning..." makes no sense. No matter what anyone says, the final determining factor in a person's grades is the person him/herself.

From the feeling I got, no one is saying that Ross sucks and that their facilities are poor. The point was that the educators, in this instance a specific educator, was not conducive to learning b/c of his lack of professionalism.

Cuando, you seem quick to make generalizations about the situation. I can understand your apathy towards situations like these due to the nature of constant complaining as you say. However, your apathy leads us to believe that perhaps you are disillusioned as well about Ross? So it seems as though you and ganja magic have something in common.

This is besides the point but: if Ross keeps increasing the size if its student body, shouldn't it also be held accountable for providing more study space?

[preppystud]

There are colleges in the usa that don't have libraries that open 24 hours. So i don't see the big deal is here.

On the other hand, it shows that Ross needs to build more rooms so people can study.

[Stephanie B.]

Dear Ross Guy ,
No one has to trash Ro$$ reputation: Ro$$ doesn't have any to be proud of! I know many of ex-Ross students ; after they left Ro$$ and got odd jobs to make a living; now they're studying at US schools. Are they unqualified med students?HELL NO! You know the answer, pal!

[preppystud]

Dear Ross Guy ,
No one has to trash Ro$$ reputation: Ro$$ doesn't have any to be proud of! I know many of ex-Ross students ; after they left Ro$$ and got odd jobs to make a living; now they're studying at US schools. Are they unqualified med students?HELL NO! You know the answer, pal!

why do you use $ for s? I don't think that Ross is expensive at all.

And why did those ex ross students get odd jobs to make a living? how was their usmle scores? Why are they studying at US schools? med schools?

I don't want to defend ross, however, because many of the applicants are "unqualified" in the eyes of US med. schools, that is why they are applying to Ross, because ross gives them extra opportunities.

[ross guy]

Dear Ross Guy ,
No one has to trash Ro$$ reputation: Ro$$ doesn't have any to be proud of! I know many of ex-Ross students ; after they left Ro$$ and got odd jobs to make a living; now they're studying at US schools. Are they unqualified med students?HELL NO! You know the answer, pal!

What are you implying by using $ instead of "S"?

If you look at the most recent residencies obtained by Ross graduates, you would see that Ross has plenty to be proud of.

Are you even a Ross student? You might know several former students, but do you know any successfull graduates? If they had to resort to doing "odd jobs to make a living", it seems to me that they were not very good medical students. If they couldn't even handle an offshore medical school with nothing to be proud of, do you honestly expect us to believe that they are in a US medical school? When you say they are studying in US schools, what exactly are they studying, truck driving or plumbing (not to say that there is anything wrong with being a truck driver or plumber, but flunking out of a medical school will not be very harmful to one's career in such trades)?

What qestion do I know the answer to? Most students at Ross are qualified to be in medical school. Your knowing several unsuccessfull former Ross students is anectotal and irrelevant. Yes, there are plenty of students here who fail, but there are just as many, maybee more, who graduate without any problems and move onto to desireable residencies.

[Stephanie B.]

I forgot to tell you more about those students. They left Ross. voluntarily by the 1st or 2nd semester ; they did not flunk , SIR! Now they're in cozy places in US DO & Med Schools. I believe they are not smart enough to attend plumbing /trucking schools or Ross. By the way, please pay some respects to plumbing or trucking schools. Without these schools our society can't function very well;without Ross life doesn't change a bit.

[Cuando2]

You seem very hateful of Ross. To me, you seem like someone who had failed out of Ross, or left because you could not handle it (and knew that you had no shot at getting into a US school) and are now hiding behind the "I know people who left Ross becuase of so and so" excuse. I'm sorry, but if I knew people who failed out, or left a certain medical school, I dont know if I could put fourth the effort to search out the school's unofficial website and post comments that reflect so much hatred, unless it actually happened to me. To do this without having anything to do with Ross myself, seems fabricated.

[preppystud]

:lol: Are you a comedian?

Ross U is not Harvard med. schools. It is easier to get in than any DO or MD schools in the US.

please, if you want to tell lies, go somewhere else. We are all intelligent people.

People are applying to Ross, most of them have already done the US med schools routines, and they didn't get in. That is why they are coming to Ross.

without blue collar mechanics, and you can't even get anywhere. And what is up with the plumbing schools, i don't know that there is one. And are you living in a ghetto, that your bedroom is flooded?


I forgot to tell you more about those students. They left Ross. voluntarily by the 1st or 2nd semester ; they did not flunk , SIR! Now they're in cozy places in US DO & Med Schools. I believe they are not smart enough to attend plumbing /trucking schools or Ross. By the way, please pay some respects to plumbing or trucking schools. Without these schools our society can't function very well;without Ross life doesn't change a bit.

[Stephanie B.]

Some of my friends had been Ross "students"(or "customers" if you will ). They left R , and even without looking back/bothering to check the forum; otherwise they'll get MI . I'm currently student with very low IQ( in comparison to Ross students) in one of the US schools on west coast. Now it's summer time, and I have plenty of time to read all forums; I need to speak out what I know from them.
Gentlemen, please open your eyes and your minds to examine objectively what (events, data, facts, numbers,timeframe,chaotic policies etc...) are going on at Ross now. Tough lucks! It's not too late to change for a better future, gentlemen!

[jim]

leaving ross for a DO school is probably a step down, when you see the way everyone acts towards DOs in the hospitals. as for the last couple of posts, yes, they sound like a ross failure. as for the whoile stink over losing a spot to study for an hour or so...geez, grow up. study somewhere else.

[preppystud]

I think that stephanie b is totally mad.

Ross U is not an ivy college, we didn't chose to go there if we can go to any med. schools in the states.

so stephanie b, either you are mad about your own incapability or you are simply here to spread rumors. you got things all confused. We all would love to go to a med. school in the US if we can.

your story is a total lie. You got kicked out from Ross, I doubt that US med. schools will accept you.

[infirisgirl]

Well, lets see
I think If would have been accepted to a medical school in the US , I would have probably gone to the US medical school instead of here...but I dont know about a DO school
But considering my options coming from Puerto Rico were everyone studying biological sciences and the competition to enter medical school over there is really hard, its really hard to enter medical school in PR even if you have a 3.7 GPA and a 3.5 science GPA. Would I go to a DO school instead of here I dont know, most likely not, but not because I think DO is not a real doctor thats just my preference.
I do know that a DO degree is respected among many doctors, th only problem I have heard they encounter is wth the patients , when they dont know exactly what a DO is!! but They have told me a DO can do a residency in just about any field, but I dont know if they have any limitations on which fields they can or can't do. Does anybody know exactly what residencies they can do? just a little curious to know wha are the true differences between MD and DO. I know that they take almost all the classes if not the same as ours.. is that true? :-)

[yipeee]

From what I have heard DO's can get a residency in any field. Their focus in school is mainly to make Family Practice and Internal Med doctors but many have gotten very prestigious residencies as well. It is all what you make of it. They do have an extra bonus b/c they qualify for full Loans, whereas we have to get private loans.

[Cuando2]

I once worked with a DO who was in general surgery. Anyway, the DO concentrates more on the whole body. If a patient had come in complaining of pain in the leg, they would concentrate/diagnose with regard to its effects on the ENTIRE body, whereas the MD would focus directly on the leg. I dont know how DO schools are setup, but many medical schools (not including Ross) are setup so that you are taught in an "organ based" method, where you go organ by organ for your first two years and learn everythign about that organ, and move on. I think the focus on organ-by-organ my have something to do with how MDs practice...focusing more than generalizing...I could be wrong in those regards, but be assured that the DO is concerned with the whole whereas the MD is focused on a specific thing. I have also heard that DOs are more encouraing of naturopathic-type treatments...such as more "home remedy" type things, whereas an MD is more apt to prescribe a drug.

[Doc]

You can find some D.O. vs. M.D. posts in the Premed forum (http://www.valuemd.com/viewforum.php?f=76) if you're interested.

[Stephanie B.]

Preppy Stud please don't waste your money on any Carribean schools. They were established to take money from naive US students or desparate wannabe MD. I haven't spent single penny on Carib schools . I think that studying in carib schools is A JOKE . Sir, it's still not to late to apply for US health professional schools. Come on , try it today!

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[preppystud]

oh, yea, that is right. Ross is like Harvard in the caribbean, and any us med schools is beyond Ross "elite" level.



Preppy Stud please don't waste your money on any Carribean schools. They were established to take money from naive US students or desparate wannabe MD. I haven't spent single penny on Carib schools . I think that studying in carib schools is A JOKE . Sir, it's still not to late to apply for US health professional schools. Come on , try it today!

[Cuando2]

after reading a few of "Stephanie B's" posts, I am starting to think that "Stephanie B" is "Nassir." The writing styles seem very similar.

[Stephanie B.]

Preppystud, wake up ,Sir! I hope that some day these kinds of schools have some "special treatments" to blow away your dream. Well , at that time you wish you followed my whistle blows .

[Stephanie B.]

I don't think so Cuando. I'm a woman and never has any (honor ) to set my feet on Carib med schools. Nassir is a man and he is ex-Ross student. I hope I clarify the differences .

[dt]

everybody seems to be like Nasir now...

even preppystud

strange...

[infirisgirl]

Hello, stephanie
I am curious to know what you are doing in a foreign medical school forum??? If you feel so strongly about your opinions why are you visiting this site. I can tell you this, I am proud of my decision coming here and I feel that I am getting well prepared for the USMLE. I know I willl do well and probably the same or better than students in US medical schools. So I will ask you again what are you doing in a foreign medical school forum?

[JokerABC]

Stephanie B = Nasir


duh.

[Cuando2]

Ok, so you're Nassir's sister then. whatever...the underlying point is the same. Why would you come onto a board for prospective students and, without anyone knowing WHO you are, and without even BEING down here or being a student here, who did you think was giong to believe any of what you have to say? You have no "base" here at all. Many of the members on this board who are either prospective students or are current students know others who went through the program and know it works. Its proven. Nobody is going to believe you. So instead of wasting your time on here posting about how not to go to Ross (nobody will listen), why not make more use of your time by volunteering at a local hospital...they could really use the extra free help that you could provide.

[Stephanie B.]

Some of my friends have had a "goodtime" with Ross . Now they finally woke up with almost 100K loans on their backsfrom Ross. However, they 've started their MD career over in the US Med Schools. Here what I know about Ross. Ross constantly throw parties under very subtle forms. Salybia Mission Project, Outdoor Clubs, AMSA fair, Sport events, talent shows etc... I don't know if alcohol is served.Anyway, these activities just fool students ; they make students forget that this is a crappy school with sociopathic student body(just avery few are decent , they will get out of it soon, incompetent instructors( some were really good, and they're booted out forever),rogue administrators,chaotic policies and ownerships...As a sis talk to a sis,you are so young-only 21 y.o - you have a full life ahead. Don't bury your beautiful life at Ross or Caib Schools. The facts that some advocate Ross grads wrote their own experieces on this forum mean nothing. Incomparison with lottery, some people become milionaire doesn't mean the majority will become ones even buying lotteries all of their lives.If you 've decided to go to Ross,tough luck!

[Stephanie B.]

I have nothing to do with Nassir. I belong to a US med school on West Coast; I currently stay in the hospital more than90hrs /week. Is that busy enough ? I believe that I'm not eligible to be a" hardworking and smart Ross student" like you.

[tekky]

Stephanie B. = Nasir

[BIGOSUFAN]

This Stephanie B character's writing style and grammatical errors mirror ole Nasir. Stephanie B= Nasir.

Nasir, you've really outdone yourself this time. Posing as a woman. How pathetic.

[Stephanie B.]

Come on , guy. Don't you see how different we are. With your Ross IQ like this, no wonder you 're stuck with Carib med school.

[Fear]

Steph you say people waste their life away at the carib. schools, do you forget that its only textbook study, the patient care is in the US its only studying books, what is the damn difference, its all individual you'll pass your boards. not to mention why are you so concerned for us, and come here when you have this 90 hour /week busy schedule, go scrub somewhere.

[emerson24]

Some of my friends have had a "goodtime" with Ross . Now they finally woke up with almost 100K loans on their backsfrom Ross. However, they 've started their MD career over in the US Med Schools. Here what I know about Ross. Ross constantly throw parties under very subtle forms. Salybia Mission Project, Outdoor Clubs, AMSA fair, Sport events, talent shows etc... I don't know if alcohol is served.Anyway, these activities just fool students ; they make students forget that this is a crappy school with sociopathic student body(just avery few are decent , they will get out of it soon, incompetent instructors( some were really good, and they're booted out forever),rogue administrators,chaotic policies and ownerships...As a sis talk to a sis,you are so young-only 21 y.o - you have a full life ahead. Don't bury your beautiful life at Ross or Caib Schools. The facts that some advocate Ross grads wrote their own experieces on this forum mean nothing. Incomparison with lottery, some people become milionaire doesn't mean the majority will become ones even buying lotteries all of their lives.If you 've decided to go to Ross,tough luck!

As already pointed out, if you are in the US system, and never been to ROSS, why on earth would you even be in here ? Then to say that you have friends etc....with x,y,and z experience.....and that's why people shouldn't go there is just completely inappropriate behaviour for the situation at hand. And that's you, a US student being in here expressing yourself the way you do. It makes no sense steph...I mean Nassir...I mean.... damn, who the heck are you again ? :lol:

I'm not sure if I wan't to ignore you, or just have fun with the rebuttal to these absurd things you throw out. You know, you probably do have a good and valid point, in some aspects, but you totally burned that bridge for people to cross to see the case you built. I think what you need to realize is that this forum is cracking down on the "trolls". We're exposing them. That's partially why the forum seems at a bit of a lull right now, and more comedy. We're all getting the info we need to make the best and informed decision. All the rubbish is being taken to the curb. Therefore, there's less rumors to fight. And I'm having fun.

The forum may not be as informative, but I think that's due good posts and good people. All skeptism is welcome, that's why were here, to help one another, but if your just going to come in and try and wreak havoc, then don't waste your time, you're fighting a losing battle. We all know there are problems, and we discuss them, but not in the way that is filled with all voltility and no facts.

Also, one last thing.....if my school 'sucked', I would welcome a party and gatherings to make me feel that is 'sucked' less. What's wrong with a tension release anyhow ?

Peace.

P.S. dt....i'm still on to you..u sure your not 24 :lol: jk

[Silenthunder]

hey all,

I agree with emerson24 on pretty much everything he posted above.

I also think that Fear brought up a great point: in Ross, as well as many other Carib. schools you only do your text/pre-clinical work outside of the US, so it really doesn't make as huge a difference as Stephanie B. is trying to make it seem.

I also think that emerson24 pointed out that it is actually A GOOD THING
if Ross throws parties for the students to keep morale up. (I am not saying that I know this is true, I'm just saying that I think it's a great idea). I know it must be hard for some students to come down there and live differently than they're used to, and far away from their families etc.

The last (and most important) thing I have to say is:

Stephanie B. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?!? Your argument is fragmented and circular. Are you trying to say something? Can you provide some details as to your "friends" situation? (oh dear, I seem to remember posting something sounding alot like this to Nasir...... :D )

Hope everyone's doing well,

ttyl

Silenthunder

[Cuando2]

Now I am almost sure that Nassir has been reborn into the new name, Stephanie B. Why use a female name? Of course, a weak attempt to distort people's suspicions. You made the mistake of registering the new name soon before you knew you ran the risk of being banned with the name "Nassir." Then out of nowhere, once the old "Nassir" name was banned, you came under fire with the new name dishing out the same underlying hatred for our school. Now, you must resort to weak attempts to try to pull apart the name of our school...coming up with the most lame examples...like "Ross holds too many parties to purposely fail the students so that they make more money." How much more lame can you get? Also, on ANY of the other message boards I've been on (whether they are school-related, auto-related, or related to my palm pilot) have I NEVER seen anyone refer to another person as "Mr.(insert screen name here)." Only "Nassir" did this, and now I am seeing that "Stephanie B." does the same thing. On top of all of this, your broken sentences and horrible grammar remains littered within your posts even under your new screen name, "Stephanie B." Its somewhat "fishy" to see someone go so fast, and then see a new SN come in posting messages of the same subject (the typical troll who has nothing reasonable to say about the school) and with the same exact writing styles. Maybe you could have done a better job if you took a longer break, took some writing-skills classes, and THEN came back on here. Now, where are the moderators to see if his IP is still coming from Howard, or was he smart enough to start posting from a diff. IP? btw, when you (Stephanie B.) responded to my original accusation of being Nassir, you were pretty quick to respond to "clarify" the situation...strange how you knew that "Nasir" is a male (only someone who is named "Nasir" would know its a male's name) and that he is an "ex-student"...all this after only being here since the 13th...a few days before Nassir was banned!

[Cuando2]

whoa...i just realized that the word "palm" in my previous post was automatically translated as a hyperlink directly to palm's website???

[emerson24]

Cuando...that was pretty funny dude. :lol:

[Doc]

I just can't do it....I cannot seem to read any of Cuando2's posts without cracking up at the dancing avatar :lol: . I figured by now I would be desensitized to it, but I laugh just as hard everytime I see it http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/roflmao.gif. Is it just me? Thanks for the laugh.

[Silenthunder]

Yeah,

when cuando said that palm was automatically hyperlinked, I have noticed this with some other words also, such as kaplan. (but for some reason not examkrackers!!) hmmm.... wonder about princeton review, arco, barrons, lets try microsoft, corel, intel...... well that's odd!!

heh,heh.....useless post.......

Cheers,

Silenthunder

[Ross]

I was beginning to think that I was just feeling paranoid. It seemed like if the University let you live on a third world island, with nothing recreational to do and provided no social outlets, we didn't care about the students. But according to StephanieB, if we diddo something for the students, we were only subtly trying to fool you. I was beginning to feel we were damned if we did and damned if we didn't! I'm glad that someone stuck up for the University.

Sure we provide some recreational activity. Sometime it is a reward for high academic performance. Sometimes, like a party for EMTs, it is for service to the University. And then there are the ones that are just for fun e.g. while the SGA is providing music and food at the Sandblasts, the University is providing the watersports.

Are these parties good business? Of course, but it is also just fun for us (faculty and administrators) to see students having a good time, as they did at yesterday's sports tournaments and last night's talent show... events that are run by SGA, not Ross! You see, both the students AND the University share in providing appropriate recreational activities for students!

[BIGOSUFAN]

Mr. Wagner, could you explain what the Sports Tournament is? Is it held every semester?

[tekky]

break out the copas 8)

[Cuando2]

They have each semester play a few football games, there is a kickball game, tug-of-war, and some other stuff. There is also a girl's powder puff football game. There are some other events also.

[CountMacula]

what acts did you find memorable ?
I didn't go because I woke up too late.

[moishe]

If you are not Nasir, how do you specifically know all of the events that Ross holds for the students? If you never went to Ross, I would be surprised b/c you obviously know a lot about Ross.

Also, you first said you were not in class fo the summer and therefore had more time to spend on this forum, but then you say that you work in the hospital 90 hrs/week. Which is it?

You sound out-of-control...just like Nasir

[Stephanie B.]

Please check your grammar ,spellings , and logics before you write a critical e-mail. I believe that CSA is a huge obstacle for you in the future .

[Stephanie B.]

I believe you write this e-mail under because of your position as a Dean ; even you know what 's going on behind parties,events etc... That's understandable.

[Stephanie B.]

1. Hospital
2. I'm not Nassir
It's easy to know about Ross b/c my friends are ex-Rossies, and I follow up the forum.

[emerson24]

1. Hospital
2. I'm not Nassir
It's easy to know about Ross b/c my friends are ex-Rossies, and I follow up the forum.

Right...so your friends are EX ROSS's whom aren't even in here THEMSELVES, but YOU are. Furthermore, you don't even GO here.

Ok, thought I was missing something. Dude, you are an absolute JOKE.

[Cuando2]

wow, i'm almost sure that anyone who is down here or has been down here would be the only ones aware of/using the term, "Rossies."

[Stephanie B.]

This is my final message to you guys on this topic; you just don't get it .You have the worst choices as you study at carib med schools , and now you're fanatically defensive. What's wrong with you? WAKE UP!

[tekky]

Lets throw a party! Nasir has agreed to leave valuemd!

Please take your factless rambling elsewhere. Thx.

[stateofequilibrium]

Lets throw a party! Nasir has agreed to leave valuemd!

Please take your factless rambling elsewhere. Thx.

Well, let's be fair though. Stephanie/Nasir.. whomever do represent a valid voice. There will always be disgruntled students who do not make or enjoy their opportunity for one reason or another. But it's that opportunity that drives a lot of people to schools like Ross. Not for millions, not for a name, the prestige or even the degree in itself. It's the chance that Ross gives to fulfill our dreams, and because of that we'll do our best and give thanks.

So to you naysayers who want to discourage us from this path I just have this to say, "tread softly because you tread on my dreams." :)

[Cuando2]

Lets throw a party! Nasir has agreed to leave valuemd!

:-rainbow :yeah: :-happy :-wave :-jump

[jim]

cuando, love the party...just hope you aint serving kubuli!!! by the way, the word is out at the med school/hospital that i am at. there class for this year to take step 1 had a drastically higher fail rate then my class did at ross. sure, its a small sample size, as they have only 70 students, but 15 of em failed. and this school is a well respected one in the SE!

[TopGunner]

The age old chicken or egg debate takes on a new frontier. Stephanie and Nasir: who is the original, who is the alias?

- another useless post -
this topic has now been "microphaged"

[teratos]

They do get a lot of attention though, don't they? Look at this thread...now on the 6th page. We all know Ross offers a good education. While the caribbean is not the first choice for sane people, if you have to go that route, Ross is a great choice. Why waste your breath on these idiots. G

[emerson24]

They do get a lot of attention though, don't they? Look at this thread...now on the 6th page. We all know Ross offers a good education. While the caribbean is not the first choice for sane people, if you have to go that route, Ross is a great choice. Why waste your breath on these idiots. G

WOW, over 2600 HITS. Now that's a post....SIX pages!!!

You know, I thought the same thing....why pay attention to the fool. If we want him to stop, then ignore him. Kind of like in school, the best reply to a kid who makes rude comments is to NOT reply.

Then on the other hand, after a while, it become laughable....a comedy show....where he's the side show. It's like we all come, buy our ticket and laugh :lol:

I think the other reason I continue to comment, and perhaps others...is at 2:24 am there's no other cans to kick around :P

As for wasting my breath....I have a large Vital Capacity :D

Well, it's time to go devour a pint of Haagen Dazs Ice cream :D

[microphage]

The age old chicken or egg debate takes on a new frontier. Stephanie and Nasir: who is the original, who is the alias?

- another useless post -
this topic has now been "microphaged"

Hey wait, I never even posted on this topic. Geez, how did I dragged into this.

Now kids...
Attend Ross, it's a good Caribbean med school. Onto the next useless topic please...

As for the ice cream, can you get me some too?

[Stephanie B.]

I planned to stop the fight , but your arrogant e-mails force me to come back.
You guys are just like big birds with heads diving way too deep in the sand . Yeah, why don't you make huge copies of your elite carib med schools MD diplomas, and run around your towns to show off?
Now, think about yourselves seriously,PLEASE!If you were hardworking and smart , you did not go to carib schools. If you were not smart , please choose another careers to make a living.
WAKE UP!

[microphage]

Yeah, why don't you make huge copies of your elite carib med schools MD diplomas, and run around your towns to show off?

Not a bad idea, perhaps we can get a float at the tail end of Macy's Parade.

"And look what we have here, it's the diploma mill float. Yes, it's their first year in the parade. They show their diplomas high and proud." :lol:

[emerson24]

That was WAY FUNNY!

See, that's what show's all about. Hold on, let me get my popcorn :lol:

I actually think that the more this gentlemen writes, I think I am becoming more persuaded to the 'see the light'. I believe what got me this time was the big headed bird analogy. Micro, if it's ok with you....I would like to have that as our mascot at the HEAD of the float. :lol:

Maybe even dress in Toga's like they did in Animal House. Just go all out to show what uneducated slobs we are.

By the way Mr. Poster....did you attend grammar school at the University of Phoenix :wink:

[stateofequilibrium]

Now, think about yourselves seriously,PLEASE!If you were hardworking and smart , you did not go to carib schools. If you were not smart , please choose another careers to make a living.
WAKE UP!

WHOA! I haven't said much before, and when I DID I stuck up for you! But that was really just an asinine thing to say! A lot of us looking at Caribbean medical schools are doing so because we screwed up somewhere in our undergraduate studies that would preclude our raw scores from being considered by most U.S. med schools.

Does that mean we're stupid or not smart enough to be doctors? Not at ALL! It means most of us made a MISTAKE. But a mistake is also a learning tool, and you're only an idiot if you do not learn from it.

Caribbean schools is that shot in the sky for most of us. A chance to prove not to the world, but to OURSELVES that we have learned from the mistake and can play with the best.

Personally I am looking towards Caribbean medical schools because of financial reasons. As long as its a medical school my parents will help subsidize the costs as opposed to a graduate program first. If I choose a graduate program, that will be two years that I have to take out further loans, study, and slave away in a lab.

With places like Ross, it gives me the chance to snub my noses back at U.S. medschools and tell them that I can still play with the best. And personally I KNOW I can already. In breadth and depth of scientific knowledge barring clinical correlates.. I can keep pace with 2nd year med students and soundly spank them as well!

[emerson24]

I can keep pace with 2nd year med students and soundly spank them as well!

I think that's called sexual harrassment....someone correct me if I'm wrong. :D

[microphage]

You're on a roll today, keep going! :lol:

[stateofequilibrium]

I can keep pace with 2nd year med students and soundly spank them as well!

I think that's called sexual harrassment....someone correct me if I'm wrong. :D

Not if it's consensual :twisted:

[emerson24]

I can keep pace with 2nd year med students and soundly spank them as well!

I think that's called sexual harrassment....someone correct me if I'm wrong. :D

Not if it's consensual :twisted:

Hey Steph.....are you consenting ? :lol:

[teratos]

Steph is consenting. He/she keeps coming back for more so she is obviously enjoying the spanking. Have fun making her buns red. G

[Cuando2]

Isnt it fun to know that we are pissing off someone so much...someone who claims they have nothing to do with Ross and never did?? Wow, what a way to stick up for your ex-Ross friends...they let YOU take the beating while they're busy studying for the boards up at Harvard and Yale.

BTW: with this post, I have officially become a "Senior Member." :shock:

[teratos]

Now you have all the rights of a senior member....
The mindset of disgruntled ex-students is fascinating. Think about how much time they spend reading these threads and responding to insults when they should be out looking for a job or another med school to transfer to or something else. It's sad, really. :cry: It's hard to make people who are out practicing medicine and happy with the decision they made to go to Ross feel bad, just becasue you didn't do well. :-flame

G

[TopGunner]

I can keep pace with 2nd year med students and soundly spank them as well!

I think that's called sexual harrassment....someone correct me if I'm wrong. :D

Not if it's consensual :twisted:

oh it'll be sensual all right :oops:

[emerson24]

BTW: with this post, I have officially become a "Senior Member." :shock:

Hey Micro....we got another one on the hunt....Hey Doc, you're a wanted man :lol: Were all gunnin for ya :D

[Doc]

Hey Micro....we got another one on the hunt....Hey Doc, you're a wanted man :lol: Were all gunnin for ya :D

I better get moving...
http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/chase.gif
...ah another useless post to add to the collection :wink: .

[microphage]

Now you have all the rights of a senior member....

I have yet to figure out what the benefits are. As I see it, there's nothing beyond the rank of senior member.

[stateofequilibrium]

Now you have all the rights of a senior member....

I have yet to figure out what the benefits are. As I see it, there's nothing beyond the rank of senior member.

What? The dancing girls should be in the mail.

[teratos]

There are no rights of a senior member...shut up and keep posting.....G

[emerson24]

You guys are just like big birds with heads diving way too deep in the sand . !


Is that eastern philosophy ? I love that saying. It's so meaningful. :lol:



(knock knock)

Where are you ? Can you play ?

[Stephanie B.]

WAKE UP, GUYS!

[tekky]

*Hits Snooze*

[emerson24]

*waves amonia smelling salts in the air

(response)
.................................................. ....

[Silenthunder]

THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED!!!!!!!


and what the hell are you doing in my bed?!?!?!

:-teeter

(heh,heh, never seen that one used in a post before.....needed to indulge myself)

Cheers,

Silenthunder

[TopGunner]

over a 100 posts on this topic? i guess people like beating a dead horse...

[stateofequilibrium]

over a 100 posts on this topic? i guess people like beating a dead horse...

http://www.goenglish.com/GoEnglish_com_BeatADeadHorse.gif

[emerson24]

over a 100 posts on this topic? i guess people like beating a dead horse...

Isn't it interesting that you opened it ...again? There's something about curiousity is there ?

People drive by a car accident.....saying to themselves how horribe death is, and perhaps gruesome, yet we all look for the body. Everyone get's pissed because everyone's rubbernecking and causing a slow down in traffic, but what does the person do who is b*tching aobut it ? They look also. Hmmph

We watch a bull rider ride PSYCHO the bull, not hoping he gets injured, but in sick perverted way, kinda wanting to see "something".

How about car races, no want's injury, but seems that people get awfuly riled up when an accident happens.

Ever have a break up, person writes you a letter, meanwhile you just told yourself you don't care what they have to say, yet you open the letter. Why is that ?

Society and it's warpedness.....So interesting. Almost comical. Almost sad. The irony of life...

[stateofequilibrium]

[quote=TopGunner]over a 100 posts on this topic? i guess people like beating a dead horse...


We watch a bull rider ride PSYCHO the bull, not hoping he gets injured, but in sick perverted way, kinda wanting to see "something".

[quote]

Have you ever ridden a mechanical bull? God, those things are FUN. There's one in Vegas under the Stratosphere that doesn't get much customers. So when I opted to try it the operator was so excited and she wanted to make it as fun as possible. Very soon there was a huge crowd watching me yell YEEHAW in a cow-pattern Cowboy hat!

[microphage]

over a 100 posts on this topic? i guess people like beating a dead horse...

When was the last time we actually talked about the topic(I'm not sure if I read the topic post)? I think it was over 30 posts ago. It's strange how easily a heated topic can turn into... this! Blame it on emerson, he was the one obsessed with the whole spanking thing hehe :lol:

[TopGunner]

over a 100 posts on this topic? i guess people like beating a dead horse...

When was the last time we actually talked about the topic(I'm not sure if I read the topic post)? I think it was over 30 posts ago. It's strange how easily a heated topic can turn into... this! Blame it on emerson, he was the one obsessed with the whole spanking thing hehe :lol:

This topic is wayyyyy beyond being "microphaged". Wow, I never thought such a thing would exist. I wonder what it's called...
Any suggestions Jeff?

[emerson24]

over a 100 posts on this topic? i guess people like beating a dead horse...

When was the last time we actually talked about the topic(I'm not sure if I read the topic post)? I think it was over 30 posts ago. It's strange how easily a heated topic can turn into... this! Blame it on emerson, he was the one obsessed with the whole spanking thing hehe :lol:

I'M A LITTLE FIRED UP RIGHT NOW!! I just came by for no other reason than than to KICK the horse......*kicks horse UNHHHHH :twisted: