Classroom 1 situation..Dean Wagner, Mitchdc, and potential a

[pablo]

There is another thread about this incident already (named gripe of the day if you want to read..I wanted to change the subject b/c I want to draw the attention of the dean). As the other thread states, unfortunately the person who started the other thread did not stay around for the main event, today there were approx 50 or so students diligently studying in classroom 1. The school leaves classroom 1 and 4 open 24 hours, and these are the only places students can study on campus that are open 24 hours. During the day students can also study at the library..however, there is a major problem with overcrowding in the library so many students even study in the classrooms during the day when class is not in session. Anyway, today around 4:30 pm a person entered room 1 and stated that everyone studying must leave b/c she will be having a potpourri time dinner in the classroom. She stated this will go on for 5 hours. This person was not a student (I believe a spouse, but not sure) so obviously she does not feel the stress that we all feel right now with finals just around the corner. This disgusted many of the students in the room. Why are all of us getting displaced for a dinner party that this non-student admitts at max will have 25 people attending. A group of students were so offended by this that they called the on duty administrator who happened to be Mr. Pueschl. He arrived on campus shortly thereafter. At this time several students professionally went out to speak with him. As soon as he exited his vehicle he was highly upset. Before the students got to explain what was happening he told them that they were selfish, immoral and ethically wrong. He also told them that they ruined his weekend! The man lives about 1 mile from campus. One student got highly upset at this point and challenged Pueshl's opinion. This got Pueschl even more angry and unprofessional. He states that Ross has no obligation to provide the students ANYWHERE to study. When this student stated that this is a medical school and not a restaurant Pueschl states this is a ridiculous way to try and justify our unethical and selfish behavior...the student then told him he was not selfish and there was a lot of individual who felt the same way as he did (as was evidenced by the large group of students standing there in shock at how unprofesional this ROSS ADMINISTRATOR was....Pueschl then continued to yell at this student and demanded his name etc..undoubtedly this student will be in serious trouble and maybe expelled for doing nothing wrong.

After the incident many students stated they would send a letter to administration about this, but they would do so under a fake email address. Students were advised by upperclassmen not to send a letter with their real name b/c they have seen unjust action taken to students who do this in the past..they stated to go to an internet cafe in town and not write anything on the school computers.

Dean Wagner I ask you to answer this (on here and not PM) b/c I want you tell all of us and the potential students reading your opinion. I want to know directly wether or not you feel Ross should provide us a place to study. I want to know what Ross if Ross is going to attempt to stop scheduling events in classrooms where students are trying to study since the library is overcrowded (several other classrooms are locked and not available to study). Is Ross's top priority to cater to students trying to excel or to hosting small dinner parties? Also, what do you think of the behavior of Ross's on duty administrator and will he be disciplined for this.

[hi]

is this true? are you serious man?

[tekky]

I am not sure what to say. Maybe I should get a list of what my tuition WILL cover :shock:

I look forward to Ross officials’ follow-up to this incident.

[2ndyear]

Hi,

I was in the room with Pablo and others at the time. I really hope that no student will be suspended for this rediculous situation. This is another prime example of Ross University making another mistake without any thought of its 'bread and butter' and blame others for its mistake. Mr. Pueshel should be the one being disciplined for this, not the students. How ridiculous, kicking out dozens of dedicated, hardworking students who have given up EVERYTHING to come here and study medicine for some silly Club Dinner for a spousal organization!!!!!! What ever happened to decency and professionalism? If the ADMINISTRATION can't be professional, why should the students act any better? Heck, even the professors are bringing CELLPHONEs into the classrooms and answer them during seminars and lectures. These aren't just any professors, they're the head people like the DEANs of the schools!!!!!! But they always tell us that it's disrespectful to have a phone ring in class or get up to use the bathroom during their lectures. Come on, it's the Hippocrates oath not HIPPOCRASY.

[newB]

wow.. I was not present during this incident, but I can definatly understand the frustration. If the students were professional in their approach of the matter, and the admin was not, then something should be done.... There needs to be an understanding that needs cannot be met for everyone, and all students need to understand that. I see 3 major faults with this incident, #1: the school not informing the students via any communication that the room would be unavailable, #2.. calling the admin, there is really nothing he could of done at that point during the situation, it should of waited till monday, and discussed then. #3: the behavior of the admin should be an example to everyone, and professionalism should be mainted... My recommendation is to bring this to the honor council as they are responsible for student issues... I believe their scope should be broadened to encompass everyone, including professors or admin that act unbecoming a professional. The honor council, which is overseen by a faculty member should do some research into this matter and interview the parties at hand...

[IDreamOfMedicine]

wow, that is a horrendous situation. Even though I am not attending Ross and will not be in the future, I am appalled by what was described. Medical students should always have priority over such ridculous events because we're paying like 200K for our 4 years. Hopefully, you guys can organize something to show the administration that they work for your benefit and not the other way around!
Remember this: United you can bargain, Divided you can only beg.

[Ganja Magic]

Excellent post, Pablo! I agreed with all your points, and I second your description, everything you said was an accurate and unbiased account of the events.

However, I believe we need to go above Wagner on this. He has not done much in the past when we raised the issues about housing, security, or class handouts. Judging from DPS this semester, he has not done much at all. His opinion only goes so far if we keep getting disrespected and our right to study is infringed upon like today.

We need someone who is above Pueschel, above the other administrators who didn't answer their phones this afternoon in response to this crisis. If need be, we need to talk to Dean Houghton, who hasn't had enough time to become corrupted by the system here, or go higher up to Stateside administration who can discipline Pueschel for his unprofessionalism. In short, we need to have a unified response from a unified and outraged student body. This extends to solidifying the policies on study spaces for current and future semesters; as the final exams approach, this becomes more and more critical. We can't have Dinner and a Movie interrupt our study time like this!

I have not been here at the "University" long enough to know how we can spur on some action without putting our real names out there, and our school status at risk. Does Pablo or any of the other upper semesters have suggestions for a formal complaint or greviance? I don't think anyone but Houghton or her superiors can do anything about this. I for one do not believe the other Deans will do anything but give Pueschel a slap on the hand and a wink. The situation here makes me sick. :evil:

[canon]

I just do not know what to say. It seems scary. It totally shocked me. :shock: If administrators did not take any step, I think I need to reconsider my decision to attend Ross in September :!: I wish good luck to all the students on the island!

[MitchDC]

I've copied and added to my post I wrote in response to the original post:

Hey Guys! Thank you for your input. It would probably be a better idea to inform your class representative directly about this issue versus posting it here, but I'll look into it for you. I definitely understand your "gripes" and a few other prospective issues have arisen here as well that I think need to be looked at.

You are correct, academics are the main purpose of the University. However, extra and co-curricular activities are very important as well. Sometimes the student lead groups don't schedule a room very early, but as you guys mentioned above, they are entitled to meet if the other rooms are already taken.

I would suggest that you e-mail your concerns to Dean Wagner personally at his Ross e-mail account OR if you wish to remain anonymous to him you can e-mail me at my Rossmed e-mail account (for those of you who know me or at least know my e-mail address) and I'll take all your comments to him to see what we can do to prevent this issue in the future. With your comments, it is important that you include possible solutions.

I entirely agree that one of the solutions needs to be the library squatting issue (where students "move-in" to the library and "reserve" their spot with books, family pictures, computers etc). I plan to make that one of my main focuses next semester as part of the SGA. Not just to shut people out, but to come up with other options and move towards resolving the "study space" issues.

I look forward to your official input through the proper channels. Due to the public nature of such a forum, and the anonymous nature of the posts, nobody can act solely on the input here. So e-mail me from your Ross e-mail accounts at my Ross account. If you request to be anonymous to the admin, I'll keep it that way, but I do need to know who you are.

By the way, if you'd rather send your comments directly to the administration DO NOT SEND IT THROUGH A FAKE E-MAIL ADDRESS. That would be a HUGE waste of your time.

Thanks again!

MitchDC




There is another thread about this incident already (named gripe of the day if you want to read..I wanted to change the subject b/c I want to draw the attention of the dean). As the other thread states, unfortunately the person who started the other thread did not stay around for the main event, today there were approx 50 or so students diligently studying in classroom 1. The school leaves classroom 1 and 4 open 24 hours, and these are the only places students can study on campus that are open 24 hours. During the day students can also study at the library..however, there is a major problem with overcrowding in the library so many students even study in the classrooms during the day when class is not in session. Anyway, today around 4:30 pm a person entered room 1 and stated that everyone studying must leave b/c she will be having a potpourri time dinner in the classroom. She stated this will go on for 5 hours. This person was not a student (I believe a spouse, but not sure) so obviously she does not feel the stress that we all feel right now with finals just around the corner. This disgusted many of the students in the room. Why are all of us getting displaced for a dinner party that this non-student admitts at max will have 25 people attending. A group of students were so offended by this that they called the on duty administrator who happened to be Mr. Pueschl. He arrived on campus shortly thereafter. At this time several students professionally went out to speak with him. As soon as he exited his vehicle he was highly upset. Before the students got to explain what was happening he told them that they were selfish, immoral and ethically wrong. He also told them that they ruined his weekend! The man lives about 1 mile from campus. One student got highly upset at this point and challenged Pueshl's opinion. This got Pueschl even more angry and unprofessional. He states that Ross has no obligation to provide the students ANYWHERE to study. When this student stated that this is a medical school and not a restaurant Pueschl states this is a ridiculous way to try and justify our unethical and selfish behavior...the student then told him he was not selfish and there was a lot of individual who felt the same way as he did (as was evidenced by the large group of students standing there in shock at how unprofesional this ROSS ADMINISTRATOR was....Pueschl then continued to yell at this student and demanded his name etc..undoubtedly this student will be in serious trouble and maybe expelled for doing nothing wrong.

After the incident many students stated they would send a letter to administration about this, but they would do so under a fake email address. Students were advised by upperclassmen not to send a letter with their real name b/c they have seen unjust action taken to students who do this in the past..they stated to go to an internet cafe in town and not write anything on the school computers.

Dean Wagner I ask you to answer this (on here and not PM) b/c I want you tell all of us and the potential students reading your opinion. I want to know directly wether or not you feel Ross should provide us a place to study. I want to know what Ross if Ross is going to attempt to stop scheduling events in classrooms where students are trying to study since the library is overcrowded (several other classrooms are locked and not available to study). Is Ross's top priority to cater to students trying to excel or to hosting small dinner parties? Also, what do you think of the behavior of Ross's on duty administrator and will he be disciplined for this.

[Skip Intro]

HUGE PIECE OF ADVICE!

Do NOT cross Mr. Pueschel. I'm not disagreeing with you at all on the facts with what you state happen. From what I know, it is highly likely that this is how the incident transpired and it is certainly consistent with the way I know he would behave in such a situation.

BUT...

Remember this: Mr. Pueschel has the power and authority of a dean. He has the power to expel you. He is a very scary person who will never, I REPEAT, NEVER side with the student(s).

When I was on the island, I recall a very similar situation a fellow classmate had with Domlec wrongfully turning off their power. The student happened to be home when the tech showed up, and challenged him when his power went off. The technician in charge of shutting off his power was clearly in the wrong, but due to his overweening Dominican pride refused to turn the service back on EVEN after his boss at the station was called and directly told him that he'd made a mistake.

Well, my classmate demanded to know why he wouldn't turn the power back on, and he didn't get a straight answer. The guy was standing there, right in front of him at his place, and simply refused to do it. The situation got escalated, words were exchanged, and the student thought that he was going to get satisfaction when the Domlec technician went out to his car. WRONG! The technician came back with a machete and threatened the student for daring to stand up to him. Clearly, the situation was getting WAY out of hand and, fortunately, the student backed-down and calmed the situation without getting a machete swung at him! This was smart. This entire situation, though, was precipitated by this Domlec technician's action. He was clearly in the wrong. And, the student did nothing worse than the technician did except for, out of frustration at the complete lack of logic and willingness to admit he was wrong, engaging the technician in a battle of words.

Why am I recounting this? Well, obviously the student complained about the incident to the school. Mr. Pueschel investigated, and determined that it was entirely the student's fault! Again, he gave some mumbo-jumbo about the student not being professional, etc., etc. And, basically, put the entire incident back on the student. Now, remember, this Domlec technician came at this student with a friggin' machete and threatened him - all after he'd made the mistake in turning his power off in the first place! Did Mr. Peuschel carea about that? No! He simply threatened expulsion to the student if he didn't drop the issue.

Here are the facts:

1) Mr. Peuschel is an arrogant a$$hole. Period. He thinks he's better than any of you, and when he makes a decision he will not be proven wrong. Personally, I think his entire existence on Dominica is pointless. (He's headmaster of the dayschool - a job that any one of the student's spouses could equally do. Waste of an income.)

2) Everything I said in item 1) above is irrelevant. Rios likes him. He kisses the right "***" with the Ross admin. He's a good "face" man. If you complain or try to change these facts, you will lose. Get used to this. There are a lot of "Mr. Peuschel"-types in the world, especially in medicine. You have no power to stand up to them. And, until you do, you might as well be pissing into a stiff wind.

I advise you to just take your lumps and pick a different battle. We had similar issues on campus with the allocation of student study resources, and I was even there before the campus got so crowded (you don't want me to tell you when the came and kicked us all out of classroom 4!!).

Instead, I suggest that you go directly to Dr. Rios and remind him that he FULLY agreed that CR 1 & 4 should be used only for student studies. For functions such as what you describe, the room above the gym was allocated. Remind him of this.

Good luck to you guys dealing with this bullsh*t. I feel your pain because I was there. Just try to keep studying, and don't get into battles with the administration (including Mr. Pueschel). He's more powerful than you realize. And, you don't want to accidentally screw yourself over on something that you're not going to win anyway.

-Skip

[Black_Pride]

Maybe Nasir isnt so crazy after all.After cuttin thru the nonsense it sounds like he may be on to somthing like not crossing the admin and stuff. I am glad you all posted this. This may let another person go in sept. as I may reconsider Ross. (we have another few weeks to get the deposit back).This is crazy.What you got to say MitchDC?

[dt]

Maybe Nasir isnt so crazy after all.After cuttin thru the nonsense it sounds like he may be on to somthing like not crossing the admin and stuff. I am glad you all posted this. This may let another person go in sept. as I may reconsider Ross. (we have another few weeks to get the deposit back).This is crazy.What you got to say MitchDC?

I believe Nasir had till today to post his info. With valueMD down for a long while today (Saturday) and for any rebuttals, maybe valueMD can extend his allotted time...

[2ndyear]

With all due respect, MitchDC, I agree with you that it's not a good thing to 'hang Ross dirty laundry' in an open forum like this but what other choices do we have? None of us want to get in trouble with administration. They don't have a high opinion of us already. Yes, in the short run, it is detrimental to the University and to all the recent graduates that we are broadcasting Ross problems in the open like this. However, in the long, I think telling the truth about this school will benefit both the school and its students more rather than going thru the traditional channels and see it getting swept under the rug by the Administration as just another tiresome "oh, the students are just complaining" routine. Will the changes come because they 'care' about us? nope, the right changes will come when enough students like Canon tell Ross that they choose not to attend the school because of inept and unprofessional attitudes of the likes of Mr. Pueschel!!!! I don't think Devry University will be too happy. Power of the Purse, friends and colleagues.

p.s. Is there a way we can paste all these comments and send them to both Devry CEO, Dean Rios/ Houghton? Maybe someone should send an anon. email to Mr. Pueschel, invite him to visit this forum so he can read about his inappropriate behavior tonite. I think I will....

[IDreamOfMedicine]

I disagree with MitchDC because this forum was designed, I'm assuming, to voice your opinions about a school. It is great to see that current students are doing this. I am not encouraging dissent or slander, I am encouraging free speech and the freedom to express facts (press). At the same time, the students should write to the Dean or the Director to voice their concerns. Prospective students should know the nature of the Administration even if it's bad or good. They are investing their future so might as well know the details of their investment.

[Fear]

someone posted that the event that was going to take place there was moved. so if that was the case, why is everyone making a big deal about just moving rooms, no one got expelled, no one got hurt, come on. and like i said in another post, why would you get in a heated argument with someone that you know you shouldn't do that with.

[Suzzallo]

The event was moved to another room and I'm sure the meeting organizer has learned something. I think this is not a big deal.
I work for a big company. I have never seen anybody stand up and started a heated argument with the boss. Everything needs to be incorporated into development plan and is presented in a constructive confrontation. You'll get fired if you start up a heated argument with the boss. Your boss has the power to promote you or ruin your career. That's life. You have to play politics to survive in any job. You're in school. Dean is the boss. Professor is the boss. They have the power. Just stay out of trouble guys.

[pablo]

The reason this is such a big deal to me and the other students on the island is b/c it proved first hand what a lot of us have been told, but something that we didn't want to believe: we simply cannot trust the administration here. Recent events have had me really starting to think I could trust the administration here (like the way the microbiology situation was handled and reading some of dean wagners honest and factual posts and im's on here), but today I saw with my own eyes the truth. It really dissapointed me. I can honestly say I was shocked at what I was seeing. The unprofessioanalism, anger and ignorance of Mr. Pueschel was unbelievable. I cannot believe this man is an administrator at a medical school. I would like to know his credentials.

For the student who states about this happening at universities in the states, I agree. In the states it is not a big deal though b/c usually the university has a library that is bigger than ours, and the students don't have to worry about the power going out when they study at home. Is it unfair to ask for a place to study with reliable power? For those of you who are not here the entire campus has backup generator power that automatically kicks in when the power goes off.

Also the event was def. scheduled to begin at 430 according to the signs that the person was posting at 4pm. She said clearly the event would start at 430 and end at 930 and everyone must leave the room and take their belongings.

Another question to Dean Wagner...if Mr. Puecshel is right and the university does not owe us a place to study...why do they owe someone who is not even a tuition paying student a place to hold a dinner party?

I do think this is a good place to discuss this b/c people who are considering coming to this school have the right to know this. Also, since we are afraid to present this for fear of retribution it is the only way that administration, and hopefully new ownership can see what is going on.

[Cuando2]

Another question to Dean Wagner...if Mr. Puecshel is right and the university does not owe us a place to study...why do they owe someone who is not even a tuition paying student a place to hold a dinner party?


Not a tution-paying student? Do you think that woman is just down here for fun? What do you think...she is married to a student here. Just because they BOTH dont pay tuition does not mean that she is not allowed to be on campus or has no rights on campus. Even the locals who do maintenance work on campus should be allowed to walk around here. Do you think you have some special godly rights simply becuase you pay tuition? Realize that the school is very supportive of married couples here...this is not undergrad where the majority of students are around the average age of 20. People here are older and married, many have children, etc. The school realizes this and issues IDs to these people. Anyhow, the event was FOR students anyway, the woman was just hanging signs and such since she is the wife of a student. She doesnt have to worry about studying, so she takes the responsibility to handle such things. Take a step back, relax and think about what I wrote and hopefully you will at least undertsand.

[pablo]

I agree with you, however, my point was that Pueschel says that even the students are not owed anything...I do think it is good that the ross family includes the spouses, however, the students must come first..that was my point...not trying to say that spouses should not be included. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Cuando2]

No problem man...its true that the room should be prioritized for studying before other things, but all i was asking is that people understand that the organization who wanted the room followed whatever procedures were accepted by the school to acquire the room...nobody just marched in there and took the room. I know the students were willing to give up the room to the club, but at least it didnt turn out that way and the students ended up being able to remain and study, regardless of the Mr. Pueschel incident. This is why I said that the situation could have been resolved by the students and club alone...the end result was the same with or without Mr. Peuschel. They will NEVER open CR5. This is also why I am saying its not such a big deal (as for some reason, three threads have started about it) since the students were able to stay in the room and not forced to leave.

[MitchDC]

2nd Year, thanks for your comments. I hope you and others didn't misunderstand me. I didn't mean to infer that people SHOULDN'T post this here, but what I did definitely did infer was that it won't do as much good as if you contacted the admin directly or through the proper SGA avenues. Hope that clears things up.

Have a good day.

MitchDC


With all due respect, MitchDC, I agree with you that it's not a good thing to 'hang Ross dirty laundry' in an open forum like this but what other choices do we have? None of us want to get in trouble with administration. They don't have a high opinion of us already. Yes, in the short run, it is detrimental to the University and to all the recent graduates that we are broadcasting Ross problems in the open like this. However, in the long, I think telling the truth about this school will benefit both the school and its students more rather than going thru the traditional channels and see it getting swept under the rug by the Administration as just another tiresome "oh, the students are just complaining" routine. Will the changes come because they 'care' about us? nope, the right changes will come when enough students like Canon tell Ross that they choose not to attend the school because of inept and unprofessional attitudes of the likes of Mr. Pueschel!!!! I don't think Devry University will be too happy. Power of the Purse, friends and colleagues.

p.s. Is there a way we can paste all these comments and send them to both Devry CEO, Dean Rios/ Houghton? Maybe someone should send an anon. email to Mr. Pueschel, invite him to visit this forum so he can read about his inappropriate behavior tonite. I think I will....

[medNoir]

That lady acted on behalf of a student organization owned by students. Not a club of student spouses. The other posters have legitimate complaints about improper forewarning and space availability. Putting down a group doesn't help your case.

But even if this was a club of spouses, if the school recognizes a group of whatever qualifications, and they follow all the rules, then their right to exist and act is the same as even the largest most conventional groups on campus.

The lady went over on Thursday to get a room. The only one left available was room1 so they gave her that. That there was no public advanced notice was a problem but there isn't a procedure for that. So obviously there should be. Or they shouldn't have allowed her Room1 to begin with. Thats the issue.

Confronted with the visceral reaction from the room, the group had to back down and scrounge up an alternate location.

[pablo]

obviously there was another room available on thursday or whenever she made the request as one was found on the spot yesterday. The problem is the idea that ross feels that they do not owe us a place to study and they do not make it a priority not to schedule things in the study rooms.

[pec740]

After reading all of the posts about the incident which occured yesterday in classroom 1, I feel like people are losing track of what the main problem is. The issue is not one of who got to stay in the room, or whether or not the activity was moved. The issue is the lack of cooperation from the university to resolve a minor situation. As stated earlier, the students and the student association were willing to work something out, and both groups were more than ready to relocate. The problem arouse when there was no where else for the displaced group, whether it was the students or the KSA (korean Student Association), to go. While classroom 3B was open, the woman in charge of the KSA, rightfully did not want to use the room without university permission, and the students are not able to set-up and study in portable folding desks, with the tiniest of writing spaces. The situation could have easily been resolved, without the slightest hint of hostility and aggression, if the university had been willing to reassign the KSA to another room, which they did not do, or to have unlocked classroom 5. When the school representative arrived no one was looking to start a fight, all they were looking for was some support and understanding. The fact that a representative of the university started verbally attacking students, instead of trying to solve the problem, speaks volumes about the university's views of students. This portrays the university's total lack of respect for the students and inability to resolve the simplest of disputes. From the beginning the two groups were more than willing to resolve the situation like adults, but the university official did absolutetly nothing to help resolve anything. We needed him to open up a room, or give permission to use 3B, and he did nothing but cause trouble. I think that people should not be judging this discontent if they weren't there to witness the situation.

[2ndyear]

Excellent point, Pec740. Yes, the main concern here is the poor communication and managment of the situation. The issue is not about the KSA nor any other organization, it is about the administration failure to resolve a delicate situation peacefully and satisfactory.

Suzzallo and Cuando2- I was there in CL1, no one wanted to upset Mr. Pueschel nor the KSA. I thought the students acted admirably yet the administrator was unreasonable irate and confrontational.

[preppystud]

When I was on the island, I recall a very similar situation a fellow classmate had with Domlec wrongfully turning off their power. .................
-Skip

I think that sometimes, people have condescending attitudes against the blue collar workers. I think that that situation probably could be solved if that particular student can act nicely.

[preppystud]

The event was moved to another room and I'm sure the meeting organizer has learned something. I think this is not a big deal.

finally, now we knew the other half of the truth.

That is good.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/6741

if you guys want some more annoymousity, go post on there.

[pablo]

I have a few updates regarding this situation:

I am dissapointed that Dean Wagner did not address this issue on this forum, however, I know that he read it as he sent me a private message about it. Dean Wagner makes a good point by saying that we should not stereotype all administration based on this incident, however, he only addressed the issue about wether the university owed us a place to study by saying they owe us a library. So I think the overall problem here is that the University feels this is a favor to leave these rooms open, and not something that they need to provide. I dissagree with this. This is a medical school in a 3rd world country whose students live in little apts. with unreliable power and not enough space to study..I do feel the university should be committed to providing us a place to study. Am I the only one who feels this way? The issue is that it cost the university money to a/c the room and leave the lights on...Last time I checked this university (including the vet school) just sold for 310 million dollars and PROFITED 18 million or so last year...I believe this money comes from us and they should be willing to spend a little of it to service their customers. This info is public info on devry corps website.

Another funny thing happened yesterday. I was speaking with my father in the U.S. He asked me where I study, and I thought this was strange but I told him. To make a long story short...he read about the issue on here. I have never told him about this site, and after he mentioned it to me I denied ever hearing of the sight, but I was shocked. I told him I was aware of what happened though and what he told me was true. He was as angry about this as I was. Apparently he also talks to several other parents of students here (don't know how they got to know each other..maybe a ross orientation that we went to), and they have all talked about it amongst themselves. He told me they plan on contacting the ross nj office and devry about this! I told him I didn't know if this was a good idea, but he insisted. After I hung up with him I thought this might actually be a good thing b/c if the administration here doesn't want to address this issue maybe the higher ups in N.J. or DeVry will want to fix the image and address this. Maybe there are other people reading this in the u.s. that will call also...the power is in #'s! Lets keep our fingers crossed.

[2ndyear]

Yes, b/c of the special circumstances that we are under; the university should provide its students reliable facilities to study. Come on, it's not like we want a place to hold a rock concert! We just want comfortable, well-lit, and a/c running places to STUDY MEDICINE.

[MitchDC]

Thus far I have recieved ZERO e-mails from students who want to use the proper means to resolve this issue.

-MitchDC

[ross guy]

Thus far I have recieved ZERO e-mails from students who want to use the proper means to resolve this issue.

-MitchDC

Mithch, did you honestly expect anything different? Of course no one sent you an email to attempt to resolve this situation. Ross students would rather come onto an internet forum, complain about everything, act like childern, and bad mouth the administration. All of these things are much eaiser to do than working with the administration to reslove an issue. The worse thing that could possibly happen would be the amdinistration fully accomidating the students because then the students would have nothing to complain about, although this would never happen because nothing is ever good enough for the spoiled Ross students.

The lack of interest in resloving the issue is typical of Ross students.

[2ndyear]

Who in the heck is this Ross Guy? I'm assuming this individual is one of our recent graduates base on his recent activities on this forum?

Hey buddy, why don't you get off that soap box you're on and face reality. Once you come off that high horse and come to grip with what's goin on here then you won't be so quick to JUDGE. Jeez. I hope you are not this arrogant toward your patients. You should be ashame of yourself, being as highly educated as you are for posting such baseless accusations.

Nobody has written to MitchDC yet is b/c we don't want to get screwed by Mr. Pueschel. So, if we send MitchDC emails with our real names and somehow the University get a hold of it, we'll all be in trouble. Besides, we want real changes. Nothing will get done if we go through the SGA! We will get the same condescending attitude as this Ross Guy is showing. That is, the same tiresome from the administration of "oh, the students are just spoil and only complain". Hey Ross Guy, you didn't see the way Mr. Pueschel was behaving toward the students on Saturday? Nope, you weren't here, were you? He wasn't provoked at all, he just acted like a real jerk instead of helping the students find a satisfactory solution. After he let off some steam and left fuming with rage, we did come to a solution on our own and continued on with our lives.

[preppystud]

i partially agree that ross doesn't owe students a study place.

like i wrote somewhere else, there are lots of university libraries that don't operate 24 hours a day. And with the budget cuts, some even chose to close early, etc.

And i don't see a big deal about that. It is not like Ross stops offering classes, so they can save a buck or two.

[Silenthunder]

Hey all,

I disagree with Preppystud. I think that Ross does owe its students a place to study.

I come from a university without 24 hour libraries, but it was always possible to find a place to study at 4pm!!! Perhaps if these students were trying to find a place to study at 2am I would agree with you.

I am not even a student at Ross, but this situation bothers me. I have applied to Ross already (actually a day before this whole classroom 1 thing went down). As someone considering various medical schools, (some in the caribbean, and some not) Ross is quickly sliding to the bottom of my list of preferred choices.

It may seem rather minor to some people, but it is very valid to me that students are complaining about a lack of study space at this school. It seems like an even larger concern that certain members of admin feel that they don't need to address this question, since they don't "owe" the students a place to study.

just my .02.

Cheers,

Silenthunder

[preppystud]

no, ross doesn't. There are many college libraries that don't open 24 hours a day. And I am sure that even those which open 24 hours still have some days that don't open, such as christmas, etc, etc.

For those of you who demand for a 24 hours library, i suppose that you would also ask your local public libraries to open 7 days a week, 24 hours a day? after all, those public libraries are using your tax to operate.


Hey all,

I disagree with Preppystud. I think that Ross does owe its students a place to study.

[Silenthunder]

Hey Preppystud,

I think maybe you misinterpretted what I said originally, right after I disagreed with you I explained my view a bit further:

I disagree with Preppystud. I think that Ross does owe its students a place to study.

I come from a university without 24 hour libraries, but it was always possible to find a place to study at 4pm!!! Perhaps if these students were trying to find a place to study at 2am I would agree with you.

I agree with your point that the school does not owe anyone a place to study 24 hours a day.

I disagree with you on the situation at hand though: students trying to find a place to study on campus at 4pm should be able to find a place on campus to study - and should have this recognized by administration.

hope everyone is well,

Cheers,

Silenthunder

[john_smith_532]

is that students in caribbean med schools are scared by the lack of local laws and the inability/unwillingness of administration to do what a school is supposed to do. it was no different at auc, i understand it's no different at spartan and mua, and it's probably not even all that different at sgu. but we're all repeatedly voting for this type of treatment with our tuition dollars.

[preppystud]

so is it just a matter that you all demand Ross to provide you a place to study whenever you feel like it?

I have gone to college libraries which closes at 6 pm during fridays, and won't open till 1 pm on sundays. That is quite common.

Some libraries also closes during holidays. So if you are not a christian, and the library closes on Christmas day, are you going to demand that particular library to open for you, because that is not a holiday for you?

And what about your local libraries that can't open 7 days a week because of budget cut. Are you gonna call your senator and demand him to open those libraries for you?

I am sure that there are other important things that Ross needs to improve on. This is getting ridiculous to demand Ross to open 24 hours so you can study.

seriously, if you have to study 24 hours just before the exams, I doubt that you will do any good.

[bts4202]

Preppystud,

I have been watching your posts on this subject for quite some time now and I have to say that I am surprised someone who has never set foot in Dominca has such a strong opinion on the subject.

Do you not realize that there are black outs quite often and that the school is the only place with free flowing power due to their generator?

Do you realize that in the carrib there are no starbuck's, waffle house, costa, caribou coffee, etc, etc for you to go and study in instead of your house.

Do you realize that if the power goes out on the island and you are at home, you have to study by a candle to get any good light. That would be horrible.

Do you realize that by paying $200K, the students should not be just paying for a chance to sit for the USMLE? If thats all they wanted they could go to *****(edited because it was stupid of me to write in the first place). The school markets itself as a self-reliant medical school that takes care of its students and wants them to succeed. If that marketing ploy is true, then they MUST adhere to it and assist students in finding a place to study with reliable power and light?

I agree with the actual Ross students that they deserve a place to study and the school should be open to all students, most times of the day and night, especially just before exams. Fight for your rights everyone, there is strength in numbers.

[dt]

content removed 'cause bts4202 was gracious enough to edited his original comment.

[bts4202]

Your right dt, I shouldn't have written that and I have edited it now. I apologize if I offended anyone, my hands typed while my brain was on a vacation. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

[pablo]

Preppystud,

There will be no budget cuts at Ross...this institution PROFITED 18 million u.s. last year (combined with the vet school) and is getting bigger by the year...so i think they can afford to keep these facilities open for us.

[prosport35]

First off, all you ^%&$ are in medical school, so why don't you act like it. None of what has been said here except the first couple of lines is true. Just a little side bar, did you know that most people here who complain and bitch are the people who shouldn't be, not only here, but in the medical profession. It amazes me how much time the have to complain rather than do their work!). Okay, moving on
I do see how the inadequate study area can get to you, especially when it is take away for a supposed "less than" important reason. However, this group did go through procedure (school policy) in order to book a room. Mr Pueschel even tried to find another room for them, but none where available (and this is hardly the point).
The problem is the horrible attitudes of some students here are having lately. They are rude not only to faculty, but to each other. And yes, I would be pissed if I had to come to school to solve an immature cat fight among pseudoprofessionals. It is ridiculous!!! So you cannot blame Pueschel for anything. He comes down to solve some fight that should be solved amongst the students. Did anyone forget that the medical profession is about, hum, problem solving. Or I just guess the group that was in the room that day skipped that class on how to act in your life (which I wouldn't doubt). Moving on
Has anyone here ever talked to the guy (Pueschel), or do they just like to past judgement? I guarantee he is on top of the list of the best faculty here. Go talk to him, about anything, and I am sure you'll be amazed on what a great resource he is.
So the moral of the story, quit blaming others and passing false judgements on things, not only on this matter, but on the school period. Don't get me wrong, there are troubles within the school, just like any institution, but this matter should not have came about. Some people here have nothing better to do but to complain, start trouble, whatever. These people are stuck in undergrad, live at the wine bar, and expect to pass with 3 hrs of studying. And then time for boards and the student complains about how the school didn't do this, do that.... No!!! More importantly the school gets a bad rap because they were nice enough to let you, yah you, in with a god-aweful GPA and a who knows what kind of personality because we all know what the interview is like.

Second moral. Ross gives every opportunity for students to do well, in fact, they promote it, amazing huh!!!. So don't let the bottom 25% of the class that actively participates on this site discourage you from this school. Most of the faculty are great, the school has great new owners, and all the rotations are in the state. Living here is a breeze. Bottom line, you have to want it to do well!!!!!

Late

[preppystud]

Well, sweetie, this is not a socialism or a communism school, u know, i heard that if you go to med. schools in Cuba, it is free. And they educate lots of students from all over the Latin America.

This is capitalism. You can't say because so and so is making lots of money, therefore, so and so should give me some benefits.

same rule applies to the public libraries in the US, you can't say that because the government is getting richer and richer by taxing everyone. Hence, I demand that all public libraries to be open 24 hours 7 days a week.

The real purpose of Ross U. is to make money, its first purpose of existence is not to educate more medical students. Same thing applies to Harvard and Yale, their prior goal is to make money. If Harvard, yale, ross are not able to make more money, all of them would have perished long time ago.

I am not saying that ross should not provide more study space, it is just like that I don't think that Ross has the duty to do so.

Preppystud,

There will be no budget cuts at Ross...this institution PROFITED 18 million u.s. last year (combined with the vet school) and is getting bigger by the year...so i think they can afford to keep these facilities open for us.

[preppystud]

are you a student at ross? or st. christopher? bts4202.

thanks for watching me from a distance,
From distance the world look round and real

yes, there are blackouts. and you got it all twisted around. You should thank Ross for providing free flowing power due to their generator. Without Ross's consideration, you would be in total dark.
So you should be thankful for that!

Yea, coffee houses are always noisy, I don't know how anyone can get their study done in those noisy places. And it is the problem of the government of Dominica, you should complain to them for not having US standard coffee houses.

yes, when power is out, there is no light. ross didn't cause that problem. And you were told about that before you coming over. And you accepted that fact.

yes, I know that you pay taxes for public libraries in the US, too. Have you asked your own public libraries to be open 24 hours a day? you paid money to study in Ross, I don't think that Ross ever gave you a contract that promising 24/7 library access.

There are colleges in the US that don't even open 24 hours during final exams. So I don't know what you r talking about. :roll:


Preppystud,

I have been watching your posts on this subject for quite some time now and I have to say that I am surprised someone who has never set foot in Dominca has such a strong opinion on the subject.

Do you not realize that there are black outs quite often and that the school is the only place with free flowing power due to their generator?

Do you realize that in the carrib there are no starbuck's, waffle house, costa, caribou coffee, etc, etc for you to go and study in instead of your house.

Do you realize that if the power goes out on the island and you are at home, you have to study by a candle to get any good light. That would be horrible.

Do you realize that by paying $200K, the students should not be just paying for a chance to sit for the USMLE? If thats all they wanted they could go to *****(edited because it was stupid of me to write in the first place). The school markets itself as a self-reliant medical school that takes care of its students and wants them to succeed. If that marketing ploy is true, then they MUST adhere to it and assist students in finding a place to study with reliable power and light?

I agree with the actual Ross students that they deserve a place to study and the school should be open to all students, most times of the day and night, especially just before exams. Fight for your rights everyone, there is strength in numbers.

[bts4202]

are you a student at ross? or st. christopher? bts4202.

Well, considering the fact that my signature CLEARLY states I attend st christophers I think you should answer that questions yourself.

However, let me ask you a question. Are u going to be a student (not one yet...lol) or an administrator at Ross? Because you clearly are NOT rooting for the students here. You very clearly feel the admin should not have to do anything for their students. If I were you, and thank G-d I am not, I would be trying to support my fellow classmates... especially after dozens of people on here have voice their hatred for you.

Good luck in Dominica. I hope no one there decides to jump you for your arrogance, but if they do I am sure your fat will protect you (yet another reason to take your pic off this site).

[tRmedic21]

Man, that was uncalled-for.

And another one bites the dust. Oh how the mighty have fallen, eh?

[Silenthunder]

Hello all,

I agree with bts4202's post.

I wish to criticize Preppystud's "style".

I am NOT criticizing him because of his negative view; he can have whatever view he wants.

I AM criticizing him because he does not actually READ CAREFULLY what other people are posting.

He criticized me EVEN WHEN I AGREED WITH HIM!!!!

He rather arrogantly requested that bts4202 provide info about which school he goes to even though it is CLEARLY POSTED AT THE BOTTOM OF BTS4202's POSTS.

No one thinks you're clever for latching on to the whole "It's not realisitc to ask Ross to open their library 24 hours a day, on holidays 365 days a year -" argument.

Y'know why Preppystud?

Because No one made that argument to begin with.

I encourage you to post with your comments Preppystud.

I'm not going to criticize your avatar. Physical appearances provide very little information about what a person is truly about.

Cheers all,

Silenthunder

[preppystud]

if you are a student at ross, why r u posting here? you don't know what dominica is like yourself. And shouldn't you spend some time studying instead of posting?

[felixthecatheathcliffgarf]

This is turning into a ridiculous flying circus. Preppystud, if you're not a student (yet? I don't know), why do you always speak as if you're an authority on what's going on in Dominica? Geez, it never ceases to amaze. I'm not a student there (just applying), and I think it would be stupid for me to speak on a subject as if I have experienced or am experiencing it myself when I HAVEN'T. Please, put a lid on it and let someone who knows a little more about the actual TOPIC OF INTEREST use the space YOU use to inform us.

Also, try using the "preview" option before submitting your posts. You can't be as dumb as your writing skills imply.

[Skip Intro]

First off, all you ^%&$ are in medical school, so why don't you act like it. None of what has been said here except the first couple of lines is true.

...

So don't let the bottom 25% of the class that actively participates on this site discourage you from this school. Most of the faculty are great, the school has great new owners, and all the rotations are in the state. Living here is a breeze. Bottom line, you have to want it to do well!!!!!

Mr. Peuschel? Is that you? :lol:

Secondly, I'm in the top 25% of the class. And, I stand by everything I say. My original response was not directed at the "faculty" as a whole (there is no blanket statement that can summarize and describe the entire faculty, most of whom I agree are very good, helpful, and accomodating).

So, just to clarify, my statements were directed only towards you, Mr. Peuschel. You are an arrogant, self-important hot head who has no real authority (except for your office) with what goes on day-to-day with the actual School of Medicine. I think Ross should get rid of you (and your worthless wife who also collects a salary from the school).

Good day.

-Skip

P.S. I do hope parents are reading this forum and getting the picture.

[Incognito]

Omgosh,

"Mr." Skip Intro.
Obviously you demonstrate how scholastic aptitude is no replacement for class and tact.
Be the Administrator questionable in certain aspects of his dealing with this over-hyped incident (imho) is no excuse to go out with personal attacks.
The lady you mention, does not deserve your immature insults given from an anonymous young punk such as yourself.

I think when you got off that plane the first time, and was yearning to see a welcoming face, you should have thanked Mrs. Pueschel for arranging that whole commitee that so comfortably welcomed you to this foreign land.

I think when you were running late for that important lecture, and stopped by the Library Timetable sheet do double-take your classroom, you should have thanked Mrs. Pueschel for making that every week.

And for all the emails regarding umpteen events, announcements and matters of intereste that anyone involved would this institution would be
grateful for hearing about, just for reason of maintaining some degree of normalcy in their life, you should thank Mrs. Pueschel.

Take your upper 25% crassness and learn some manners youngstah.

-Incog.
(Sem 2)

[preppystud]

Also, try using the "preview" option before submitting your posts. You can't be as dumb as your writing skills imply.

yea, what are u talking about, silly woman. if you think that my writting skills are "dumb," so why don't show me some examples or something? as you already knew, I got Q on mcat writting, what is ur score, huh?