35 FACTS ABOUT SPARTAN I WISH I KNEW BEFORE I SENT MY SEAT D

[anotherstudent]

UPDATED

35. administration is very selective and apathetic about the schools existence and image.

34. discrimanatory attitude toward certain students.

33. no one know's where the main santa teresa ofice is located, for some reason it's a secret.

32. Vice President, Financial Aid Officer, and Clinical Rotations coordinator are physically available to students 1 day (fri) a week and only for 1 hr at the decoy office, which doesn't bear the school's name on it. you know they don't answer the phone saying it's spartan either.

31. spartan accepts anybody who applies, no interview or review of credentials needed prior to decision.

30. poor usmle pass rates especially first and second timers, school shares no responsibilty regarding it's students failures.

29. poor to no student services in st . lucia and the U.S. (I mean by getting things done for you in a timely manner).

28. administrations work ethics in st. lucia and the U.S. are well below standards. Slow slow slow & lazy lazy lazy. you gotta double check everything with these guys.

27. History of failing students b/c of personal vendettas instead of academic reasons. (This may have change for the better recently)

26. instructors are trying to teach u.s. based medicine eventhough they have never been to the states or practiced medicine before.

25. Vice President is more interested in student gossip than trying to help students professionally. Pulls rank on Asian students. He has personally called students (Asian's only) parents and made behavioral reports to them. Invasion of privacy.

24. pathetic financial aid service, your money is held for a unreasonable amount of time like a month after they had received it from the bank, they don't care if you don't have enough money to buy food, (I'm assuming it's to make intrest off your money).

23. auc lost there stafford loan and got it back within a reasonable amount of time, like several months. spartan has been statting this loan has been around the corner or my favorite line is "we are working on it" for over 8 years. how long can you work on something?

22. spartan is not respected by the st. lucien medical society, only one instructor is licensed the rest are not, they have no clinical or academinc affiliations with st. lucia outside of spartan gates, basically they are nobodies once they step foot off the campus. Public relations in St. Lucia is not good regarding intergrating the Spartan with St. Lucia health care.

21. sparatan, st. georges, and auc all started around the same time and look at the difference. it took this school 20 years to build basic features at a medical school (gym proper path lab etc.).

20. administration is very vindictive toward students they don't like, which is very unprofessional and a abuse of power. they would be fired in a proper institution. you pay tuition, your not there to be like or disliked, your there strictly for the medical education.

19. administration waste so much school money on fighting avoidable lawsuits caused by them from disatisfied current and previous students. This money could be better used for student services.

18. (deleted, no longer exist).

17. (deleted, this issue is resolved)

16. (deleted, this issue is resolved)

15. no organized or standardized pre clinical exposure during basic sciences, don't even count that bp/glucose thing done on one saturday which is purely optional.

14. you must take a exit exam after 4 tri, if you fail it, which a good handful of students do. you have to fly several thousands miles from where ever you are from (hundreds of extra dollars), back to st. lucia to re take the test.
(see question 29 & 35).

13. administration don't even try to accomodate students by making it more convenient for them by having students re take the test in the states or mexico. They don't care.
(see question # 28)

12. (deleted, this issue is no longer)

11. the few clinicals they claim to have if you pass your step 1, they are not formally affiliated, you can arrange them yourself, anybody can.

10. they will knowingly let you do a rotation, accept your money, and then claim you weren't authorized to do it, and won't give you credit, so now you wasted x amount of weeks b/c of them. they don't care.

9. many st. luciens especially in the north, don't even know spartan exist, eventhough the school has been on the island for over 20 years.
(see question #35)

8. spartan has never had affiliations with any hospital in st. luica.
(see question 22 & 35)

7. spartan has never been affiliated with anybody, b/c everytime a u.s. hospital is open to the idea they turn it down or screw up the contract.
(that's a known fact)

6. administration will let some students choose there own clinicals with no problems and not let others. (see question # 34)

5. most students are afraid to speak up about there dissatisfaction for fear of retrobution from the faculty or administrators. (which is blatent abuse of authority)

4. administration will not send out your transcripts in a timely manner even after you had paid for them, if they know you are transferring to another medical school.

3. the majority of spartan graduates refused to have anything to do with the school after they leave. there are very few alumni willing to give back to spartan.

2. No Graduation Ceremony, after all that hard work. No letter of congratulations of any kind from the administration.

AND NOW FOR NUMBER ONE

Spartan has been around by 6 or 7 years more than SABA, and SABAhas surpassed Spartan by leaps and bounds. A proactive administration really makes a big difference.

[dt]

i know i said i was threw posting on this site but after several emails requesting why i feel they way i do, here are 35 reasons why.

35. administration is very selective and apathetic about the schools existence and image.

[rest snipped]



Seems to me to be contradictory -- are you saying selectivley apathetic?

As for the rest of your reasons, it's easier for me to respond generally. If I summarize correctly, you are essentially saying that:
1. Spartan is indiscriminate in their selection and discriminatory against some student they did select;
2. poor customer service;
3. poor management/administration;
4. lack of milestone recognition.

Interestingly, except for number 4, I have seen similar comments attributed to other schools where students pay much, much more tuition.

As for the lack of white coat or graduation ceremonies, that does not bother me at all.


dt

[sweetmia81]

#16..we had ppl cheering here in the US and no one did anything bout it...what the hell did u expect spartan to do?deport them?lol :roll:

[Eddie]

31. spartan accepts anybody who applies, no interview or review of credentials needed prior to decision
...OK, I'm there!! just downloaded an app!

[Kirst]

anotherstudent, thanks for your post. I can appreciate your constructive and assertive criticism of the school put in more eloquent language than the flat out low blows and trash talking that usually take place on these forums by few individuals under multiple aliases.

Complaints, rumors, controversial issues, disappointments and frustration are universal in every educational institutions, off-shore or not. Of course some are better than others- and yes, from what I gathered thus far, Spartan would certainly be one of the worst, if not the worst school in the Caribbeans in terms of its administration and quality of education. However, there are many practicing Spartan graduates in US busy with their lives in medicine, including the few who do find the time to come around on these forums to advise and enlighten prospects.

You see, experience is subjective for everyone, and even under the same circumstance, two people can have very different impressions. So how I would perceive a certain situation cannot be forespoken by anyone including you, but me. This means that I can turn out to be just as bitter, but I hope that my case would follow the example of those successful Spartan graduates.

I have verified by email and phone with every single official boards, organizations, and governing bodies with regards to the basic authenticity of Spartan as a medical institution- I post and update such information on the forum here for the prospects like myself. My results all came up positive- so yes, I can practice in US given that all conditions applicable to every IMG are met. And frankly that's all I need.

Sure a white coat ceremony sounds lovely, but not if I have to pay for it. Do I want to take out another $5K in loans to fly my family down from for a graduation ceremony? Oh please, I'm not graduating from Johns Hopkins. A diploma in the mail would be just how I would have asked for it.

All Caribbean IMGs share the same goals- MD degree or its equivalent, ECFMG certification, ACGME residency, and ultimately US licensure. And being an IMG I won't be driving on the same road as US/Canadian students. Yes I can choose to ride a mercedes but that won't make my trip any shorter or travel restrictions any lighter as an IMG. Sure going on a geo metro will at times be an uphill battle, and I'll be lying if I don't want the luxuries of a mercedes- but it will get me to my destination at half the cost. No we're not talking about $1 instead of $2- but $100,000 instead of $200,000-$300,000. In US Dollars, yes it makes more than a little difference for Canadians sitting on the worse side of currency conversion at 1.4. Let's not forget about all the interest compounding on that extra baggage of debt- tick tock.

I have corresponded with 16 different Spartan students and graduates, and most gave honest feedbacks with both positive and negative points. Yes some of the deficiencies and problems at Spartan do utterly suck. But who said saving money is easy? I would much rather take these valuable warnings from former students like you, to prepare for, overcome, and turn to my advantage. At the same time, I would like to think that I have the required level of optimism, perseverance, and acumen in me to survive the minimal conditions at Spartan and make the most out of my time there to be one of its successful alumni one day, like the few I came across. I'm leaving this August, so it won't be long before everyone can hear from me for my first hand experience at St. Lucia.

My options were Spartan, Saba, MUA, St. Eustatius and Ross- I considered every school in the Caribbeans including AUC and SGU before applying to those five. Ross dropped out of my list very quickly even with its stability and reputation, due to expensive tuition and ridiculous number of matriculating students per semester. I almost settled for Saba for all its great strengths as a foreign medical institution at an affordable price, but I was offered admission in January instead of September and apparently there will be a 25% tuition increase with its full New York approval. You see, it's a matter of personal priorities and choices. What scores high in your book?

I only have 4 months and 5K to lose if Spartan turns out to be an absolute hell hole with rapists teaching classes and no student ever passes boards like some claim so. My decision to give Spartan a try is neither lethal or permanent. I can always back out after a semester if necessary, only stronger and smarter from the experience if anything. I see this as an opportunity and I'll know what it means for me only if I take it on myself. So here I go... But sincere thanks again for your inputs.

[dt]

Kirst is right -- thanks anotherstudent for your post. It helps in setting expectations.


dt

[dt]

kirst

i feel bad for you

because even dispite complete proof that spartan is career suicide, you still defend the school (that you have not even attended yet!)

complete ignorance on your part


I also see, that you are from canada !!


do you not know that as a canadian, as soon as you go to a foreign medical school your chances of getting back are zero?


so your only hope is the U.S.


with spartan you are for sure starting a death march

but i really don't care where you go

so by all means go to spartan and then realize while you are on the island what the rest of us already know


I just pray to God that you dont get raped by one of the faculty members who's names I can give you



tobykeith, how do you know that the list you are passing around is correct? Were you a student at Spartan once? Did those things happened to you?

You must or should have some way of supporting your claim. Could you share that with us?

And, if you dont really care where she goes, does that mean that you care about Spartan?

Please do share some facts on why you believe what you do.


dt

[Kirst]

because even dispite complete proof that spartan is career suicide, you still defend the school (that you have not even attended yet!)

How am I defending Spartan by stating that it may as well be the worst school in the Caribbeans and that it is dirt cheap? Please specify what gave you the impression that I know Spartan by first hand experience and serving as its advocate.

do you not know that as a canadian, as soon as you go to a foreign medical school your chances of getting back are zero?

When did I mention I wanted to go back to Canada to practice?

I just pray to God that you dont get raped by one of the faculty members who's names I can give you.

I appreciate your kind words, please keep praying as you offered so.

[dt]

because even dispite complete proof that spartan is career suicide, you still defend the school (that you have not even attended yet!)

How am I defending Spartan by stating that it may as well be the worst school in the Caribbeans and that it is dirt cheap? Please specify what gave you the impression that I know Spartan by first hand experience and serving as its advocate.




No, it cant be the worst school in the Caribbeans. There are a few of them around which I would rank lower.

[Kirst]

Hehe dt, the catch is "it may as well be". And yes, there are few other schools I would overall rank lower than Spartan. But by choosing Spartan, I ended up unintentionally making it #1 in my book according to my preferences, circumstances, and priorities... Sigh, if money and time weren't issues I would have chosen SGU or Saba in a heartbeat ;)

[emerson24]

its not worth wasting your time

[microphage]

its not worth wasting your time

You lure me with your posts and yet, there's nothing there! This isn't the emerson24 that I know! :roll:

And isn't this forum suppose to be moderated since it's school bashing

[dt]

its not worth wasting your time

You lure me with your posts and yet, there's nothing there! This isn't the emerson24 that I know! :roll:

And isn't this forum suppose to be moderated since it's school bashing


Yes, it's a new and improved emerson24!

He had written something but thought differently later. For mere mortals like emerson24 and me, we do not have the "delete" button to remove posts.

(Sorry emerson24, I had read your post before the edit and I thought it was a fair response. I think the other poster's reaction is too intense -- dont know why since he does not want to explain.)


Yes, too bad there is no moderator for this Spartan forum... On the positive side, people who do go to Spartan do so with eyes wide open.


dt

[emerson24]

Yeah, I was going to refute that irrational sounding post, but then after I sent it, I thought about it, and although I felt my message was appropriate, it kinda just added to the rubbish. Nonsense..... :lol:

Micro....better luck next time :lol: :wink:

[Beaker]

even dispite complete proof that spartan is career suicide, you still defend the school

what proof??? a disgrunted transfer student making a bunch of false claims? is that ur proof? please provide some real proof if u even have any. i have better things to do than to argue with some pissed off transfer student who doesnt even go to the school, but still finds time to bash it (the same person who said he would not post here anymore. liar). his statements r very obviously out of anger and not at all objective. so he defaulted on his loans and i feel bad for him, but now he's in some other school so he should make the best of it and move on. do ppl out there actually believe all his crap? i hope not. i know of very few ppl who feel the same as this disgruntled transfer, but many many more who are very happy with spartan.

and the thing about kirst "defending the school"? why do the minority of ppl that have anger towards schools feel that u either have to bash or defend it? a truely objective person like kirst can point out both sides without letting emotions get in the way. all schools have some good and bad, but u want to paint a picture of ur school being all good and this school being all bad?? u expect ppl to believe that crap? but since she didnt totally bash it than u accuse her of "defending" it? i value kirst's balanced opinion much higher than the school bashing trolls. kirst's objective is to share info to help others while the bashers goals r to trash a school with vengance :evil:

do ur own research and dont believe ppl who choose to tell "all good" or "all bad" about any school. objective ppl like kirst, emerson, formerstudent, currentstudent, truthfinder and others have much more credibility in my opinion.

peace

[emerson24]

do ur own research and dont believe ppl who choose to tell "all good" or "all bad" about any school. objective ppl like kirst, emerson, formerstudent, currentstudent, truthfinder and others have much more credibility in my opinion. peace

Thanks brutha :wink:

You know, I have had my ups and downs with the forum and deciding where to go etc. And after a while and many posts both on the open forum and the PM's, I have finally made a decision. How it will turn out will be seen in time. But I have to say that a lot of people have certainly helped me in my decsion, but moreso, in feeling that so long as it's right for me, then that's all that matters.

I know a lot of people are going down there for the first time this up and coming semester, and there will be those who are already there. I was thinking, it would be cool if we could possibly organize some kind of "bash" (no pun intended :lol: ) for the new students and at the same time, a social outting for the existing students. Would be neat to meet some of the people in here that seemed to have had a helping hand not only in my decision, but in others as well. If people would like to do this, we can choose an island, shoot out a tenative time, say like Fri or Sat before the Sem begins, and begin a plan. Any one up for it ?

[microphage]

If people would like to do this, we can choose an island, shoot out a tenative time, say like Fri or Sat before the Sem begins, and begin a plan. Any one up for it ?

I'm in. Which island? (My vote goes to SXM)

[emerson24]

DUDE...that's so funny. I was just thinking.....'I should put this on the open forum in a new post... I KNOW micro will be in." LOL and who replies ? HEH...MICRO :lol:

[microphage]

HEY! I'm insulted somehow but I'm not sure why.

[Kirst]

microphage... a prospect with 339 posts.

You're just so precious! I choose you pikachu!

[mj03]

I am a student who has currently finsihed basic sciences in St. Lucia and right now I am studying for step 1. As every school, It has its downfalls! But overall, i find the school to be good. I don't know why this guys is making false accusations about the school. I can say that my last semester of basics, a few students in the semester did transfer. But they left for stupid reasons. Some of left cause they were failing classes and wouldn't be eligble to take the make-ups because they were over their limits. I had a class with them, half of them were cheating of each other anyways. If they can't make it Spartan, you really think they would be able to make it at another school! If you study, you can pass. Other students left cause they got caught cheating! How can you expect to be a doctor if you cheating your way through med school. And the others tranferred cause I guess the nite life sucked as to their standards. Its not like they ever came to classes anyways. i would see them partying and starting fights with locals and tourist anyways. So i guess it better that they left anyways.

I can agree about the loan check holding. But i heard the reason why they do that is because when they used to send out the checks early, students would not enroll in classes and clincials and take off with the loan checks. this is one reason why Spartan lost the Stafford Loans. They are just scared about giving the checks out ealrier.

I've been on the island 16 months. I NEVER heard of any faculty member raping a student. So thats a lie. I find it very childish that you are making up stupid stories to scare of people. The faculty members are really nice and caring. I don't know too much about *******. I don't care either. The only times that I have spoken to him is when i was applying. Besides that, you barely speak to him.

I had no problems with anything down on the Island. I personally know alot of graduates from Spartan. They are all well off! My aunt graduated from there almost 15 years ago, and she is still very successful. She still keeps in touch with alot of former classmates and they are successfully practicing all over the US! People can write whatever they want, but don't judge until you come down to the school.

The person who wrote these bad things about the school probably never ended up doing anything with their life after leaving school and blaming the school. You make your future. the more effort you put into studying for Step exam, you'll pass., no matter what school you go to unless, u are just an idiot! . Just because you go to the top 3 caribbean schools, doesn't mean you are gonna pass either.

One more thing, the clincials are legit! i had no problem setting up my rotations in the states. i've been talking to the hospital coordinator and also to the school, as of now everything is set for me to start my clincials this fall! No one made me choice where to go, they told me all my options and I picked where I wanted to go and they set it up for me within less than a week!

The schools is continuing to grow. they made a new building and now they are going have access to the hospital in town. It might not be as lavish as an american hospital, but you see alot of things down there you probably won't see in the US! You probably gonna have more hands on experience as well! I don't regret anything about Sparatn1 i happy with the choice I made!!!

[anotherstudent]

if you have any questions about any of my previous statments now is the time

[RajPatel]

Your previous statements based on firsthand experience means NOTHING.....A Spartan graduate holds a NOBEL PRIZE! :P

And Courtney Cox's (also known as Monica on Friends) mom lives two streets down from me (for real). Therefore I am proud and honored to be considered a cast member of one of the most popular sitcoms in history. Even though I can't stand that show.

[TrueDoc]

I find nothing wrong with the fact that you stated deficiencies with Spartan as you see them.
I think it only goes to show insecurity on the path of those who seem to have a problem with you speaking your mind.
"In an unjust society, silence is a crime"

[TrueDoc]

Quoting MJ,
1. "I am a student who has currently finsihed basic sciences in St. Lucia and right now I am studying for step 1."
(say, how long have you been off the island. I hear it takes 16 months on the island to learn 'nothing', and another 8 or more months afterwards to do self-tutoring. true?

2. "The faculty members are really nice and caring".
(Awww.. how sweet, do they also teach as well?)

3. "I don't know too much about *******. I don't care either. The only times that I have spoken to him is when i was applying. Besides that, you barely speak to him".
(yeah, I hear his primary assignment is in the 'admissions' office, after which ......well, he is M.I.A)

[qnguyen]

hi,
I was just wondering if you can give me your opinions on Spartan. I am considering it and St Matthew's. How was your experiences there and would your recomend Spartan or if you would attend there if you can do it over again. Thanks

[anotherstudent]

hi,
I was just wondering if you can give me your opinions on Spartan. I am considering it and St Matthew's. How was your experiences there and would your recomend Spartan or if you would attend there if you can do it over again. Thanks

Absolutley not!

Administration is just too weak and deficient for a medical school. It's not that they couldn't be better, they are just not interested in going the extra mile for their students.

[anotherstudent]

Possible Updates from the original list. Please challenge any changes.



22. spartan is not respected by the st. lucien medical society, only one instructor is licensed the rest are not, they have no clinical or academinc affiliations with st. lucia outside of spartan gates, basically they are nobodies once they step foot off the campus.

They probably have two licensed physicans teaching now.

18. basic science administrator turnes a blind eye to physical assaults and prejudice on students by other students. he does nothing.

Haven't heard of any new assualts. The school could be getting students with better attidudes now.

17. no white coat ceremony, unless the students do it themselves. it's not the students job ( se question 28 & 35).

I hear the white coat ceremonies are a little more regular now.

16. spartan at times enroll religous finatics who have open negative attitudes toward westerners especially americans. don't believe that ask students who were on campus during 911. ask about the students who cheered it on. administration did nothing. ( see question # 31)

No new reports on religous finantics, could be a thing of the past

9. most st. luciens don't even know spartan exist, eventhough the school has been on the island for over 20 years.
(see question #35)

Not sure about this one

[qnguyen]

hi,
Thanks!!!

[anotherstudent]

hi,
Thanks!!!

No problem. I can't answer present questions about the actual campus due to possible changes that may have occurred since i've been gone, but you can always count on me for answers about the administration. Still the same.

[emerson24]

Geese, I haven't been on here in ages and I see it's like the middle east. There was civil unrest 1000 years ago and there will be 1000 years from now.

I've been out of the loop but in someways it's not hard to pick up where things left off because it's the same thing.

If anyone has followed spartan or at least read some of the posts from Kirst before she even enrolled in Spartan you would find that she isn't telling you not to go there now that she IS enrolled there.

I had the pleasure of befriending her months before she went to spartan. I was going to go there as well but decided to remain a PA for personal reasons. She was extremely thorough and that couldn't be more evident by her posts. So for anyone who is just typing with some hostile manner, I would not give it much credibility.

She said herself that it's not the best school at all, but it's given her the tools to get the chance. If she doesn't pass her boards, then perhaps it wasn't the right decision, but if she does, then it just goes to show that it was probably the lack of effort, or ability brainwise to pass for the other disgruntled people.

Think about it, if you pass your boards, what would you write on here ?
If you fail, what would you write then ? I guarantee it would have nothing to do with the student who failed, the finger would be pointed at them.

Seems to me that this entire forum is a broken record that I would have thought would be playing a nice melody. Guess not.

[microphage]

Geese, I haven't been on here in ages and I see it's like the middle east. There was civil unrest 1000 years ago and there will be 1000 years from now.

I've been out of the loop but in someways it's not hard to pick up where things left off because it's the same thing.

If anyone has followed spartan or at least read some of the posts from Kirst before she even enrolled in Spartan you would find that she isn't telling you not to go there now that she IS enrolled there.

I had the pleasure of befriending her months before she went to spartan. I was going to go there as well but decided to remain a PA for personal reasons. She was extremely thorough and that couldn't be more evident by her posts. So for anyone who is just typing with some hostile manner, I would not give it much credibility.

She said herself that it's not the best school at all, but it's given her the tools to get the chance. If she doesn't pass her boards, then perhaps it wasn't the right decision, but if she does, then it just goes to show that it was probably the lack of effort, or ability brainwise to pass for the other disgruntled people.

Think about it, if you pass your boards, what would you write on here ?
If you fail, what would you write then ? I guarantee it would have nothing to do with the student who failed, the finger would be pointed at them.

Seems to me that this entire forum is a broken record that I would have thought would be playing a nice melody. Guess not.

I saw your name and thought of the insane words-to-post ratio... I was disappointed when I found out this post was not one of those super long essays... :lol:

Welcome back! :wink:

[anotherstudent]

MORE FACTS TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU SEND YOUR SEAT DEPOSIT

1. SABA and a few other new schools (2-5 years new) would surpass Spartan in growth and vision, eventhough spartan has been around since the 1980's. Another clear indication of a pityful and sorrow administrator.

2. You might as well give your hard earned cash to a proactive program that has an interest in the success of your medical career .

[IMG X-Files]

THAT IS WHY I SUGGEST TO OFFSHORE MD APPLICANTS, TO GO WITH THE MORE RECOGNISED PROGRAMS !!!

ROSS, UWI, AUC, SABA, SGU, AND RECENTLY SMU AND MUA !

BEST REGARDS,

[anotherstudent]

MORE FACTS TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU SEND YOUR SEAT DEPOSIT.

DR. ******* and staff promised..promised...promised...and promised..Stafford Loans earlier this year. They told students that they were APPROVED and was just finalizing the paperwork. Some students enrolled because of this promise, some students stayed because of this promise. The loans never made it. NOTHING was ever said about it. AS if the statements and promises never existed........HHhhmmmm.

[shockandawe]

MORE FACTS TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU SEND YOUR SEAT DEPOSIT.

DR. ******* and staff promised..promised...promised...and promised..Stafford Loans earlier this year. They told students that they were APPROVED and was just finalizing the paperwork. Some students enrolled because of this promise, some students stayed because of this promise. The loans never made it. NOTHING was ever said about it. AS if the statements and promises never existed........HHhhmmmm.


Fair enough, anotherstudent... But we have heard this before. Your thread is now starting to become nothing more than SPAM!!!

Think about it, while you are sitting around complaining about a school that you currently have nothing to do with, some of your friends and classmates are now residents and licensed physicians... I think that it is time for you to move on. -s&a

[anotherstudent]

Spam or not. It's true and critical information.

[ZAATARI]

don't get so occupied with staffords,people with common sense do not marticulate in a school based on promise and anticipations because nothing is guaranteed anywhere,even with schools very close of getting CA approval I would not advise Californian to join the school until the decision is made by CA.with today's enviroment and changes I would recommend going to schools that is approved by all states and none of the for profits carribean schools approved by all states until the Texas issue resolved.for the best bargain SABA is the most attractive today based on low cost and CA approvals,followed by the big 3[they are more established by I think overpriced].Destructive criticism never help.

[anotherstudent]

don't get so occupied with staffords,.
How can you not? this is a major hook and trump card being used on financially desparate people.

people with common sense do not marticulate in a school based on promise and anticipations.
commen sense is relative to one's desparation, throw in the stafford trump card and it's all over.

because nothing is guaranteed anywhere,even with schools very close of getting CA approval I would not advise Californian to join the school until the decision is made by CA.with today's enviroment and changes I would recommend going to schools that is approved by all states and none of the for profits carribean schools approved by all states until the Texas issue resolved..
agreed


for the best bargain SABA is the most attractive today based on low cost and CA approvals,followed by the big 3[they are more established by I think overpriced]..
agreed

Destructive criticism never help.
But FACTS do.

[anotherstudent]

Think about it, while you are sitting around complaining about a school that you currently have nothing to do with, I think that it is time for you to move on. -s&a
it's people like you why i'm here s&a. i've seen countless spartan cheerleaders come on here trying to overhype the school, alway's failing not to mention the major shortcommings. people's lives are at stake, and their is thousands of dollars being spent. if people still want to jump on board after knowing the facts, well goodie for them, at least they know.

i'm not a complainer s&a, only the Devil's Advocate.

[shockandawe]

Think about it, while you are sitting around complaining about a school that you currently have nothing to do with, I think that it is time for you to move on. -s&a
it's people like you why i'm here s&a. i've seen countless spartan cheerleaders come on here trying to overhype the school, alway's failing not to mention the major shortcommings. people's lives are at stake, and their is thousands of dollars being spent. if people still want to jump on board after knowing the facts, well goodie for them, at least they know.

i'm not a complainer s&a, only the Devil's Advocate.


In your original post, you mention that your brother is a Spartan graduate and now resident... What have you, anotherstudent, acheived with your constant complaining???

Not everything that you mention in this thread is fact. And a lot of what you mention is true, but it is true for ALL carib. schools...

The funny thing is that you actually think that by constantly crying like a baby, you are actually going to hurt the school but over the past 2 years the school has had the biggest classes ever... I agree that there are better schools than Spartan but if you cannot get in or afford anywhere else, it is a lot better to follow your dreams than to sit around, do nothing and complain...

I'm not trying to be mean, anotherstudent, but your brother, your friends and classmates are now physicians and residents and I think you should pick yourself up and do something... The sad thing is that you let people like ****** and others intimidate you from being a physician and now all you can do is complain all the time... -s&a

[anotherstudent]

Updated version.

[drfisher]

I take on board all of your comments and I tell you something I AM STILL GOING TO SPARTAN. I spent last night reading through every single message on this board about Spartan. I went back to 2003 which is as far as it would allow me to go.

I have noticed that most of the Spartan students including Kirst have posted some truly wonderful things about Spartan and the only real complaint is the lack of administration.

The education appears to be good and the school supportive. There have been bad spartan grads but no more than any other med school. They are simply heavily publicised because they came from Spartan.

So to cut a long story short GIVE IT A REST. We know what you are trying to say and it is getting very boring now. You are in fact breaching more laws than I care to imagine now as you are now also in breach of the Protection from Harrasment Act. Your constant posts about Spartan could land you in prison my friend. If Spartan cared enough to prosecute, then not only you but the forum moderators would be in serious trouble.

I asked an attorney and you cannot hide behind the internet anymore.

Please please please give it a rest and give up this vendetta against Spartan. Find a new hobby and find a life.

[mindprobe]

Okay, report back to all of us in about 3 years. Cheers to you!

[anotherstudent]

I AM STILL GOING TO SPARTAN.
DF...I could really care less If you attend Spartan or not is your decision not mine.


So to cut a long story short GIVE IT A REST. We know what you are trying to say and it is getting very boring now.
My post are not for you to read. My post are for those that want all of the information available to them before they choose an offshore school.


Please please please give it a rest and give up this vendetta against Spartan. Find a new hobby and find a life.
No vendetta, just stating the facts DF. I can tell right now, that you are going to be pissed in 2 1/2 years, but I do wish you the best.

AS