Bad Student at SMU

[steaa]

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[Knight007]

Its best to leave out names or hints on the forum, especially cuz what anyone hears is usually 99% gossip...or hearsay. I dont know if its true that people have old exams,
but they are only cheating themselves if they do. Come time for Step 1, there wont be any cheat sheet passing around ;)

[steaa]

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[Junito]

I don't know about Cayman, but in Maine we have quite a few. Students still violate the MMC library policy, disrespect professors in front of the class, and many other issues. No wonder we lost a few clinical sites (windsor (Canada), one in the UK, etc). Guys get your acts together and don't ruin it for the rest of us.

Juni

[dapimp36]

Yes this is true. Actually, starts with * and she is known for her stupid mnemonics.

[lionking]

Yes this is true. Actually, starts with * and she is known for her stupid mnemonics.

Yep that is her, the girl is the biggest retard to ever attend SMU. The minute she steps into a clinical rotation site we will lose that site. This girl thinks it is still fourth grade and that she is a girlscout by selling cupcakes and candy along with being a narc on fellow classmates.

[stateofequilibrium]

Question: Are students NOT supposed to have these old exams? And if not, how were they obtained?

[acetre]

I think all of you need to grow up and get lives!!! If someone has old exams, then it belongs to them not you. The person would probably be kind enough to share them with others if you guys did not have such a holier-than-thou attitude. Also, just because you use old exams in basic sciences, that does not mean they will fail the Boards. There are students who had old stuff for every exam at SMU and they did well on the boards, so stop the generalizations. Stop snitching on each other, and stop trying to ridicule each other. There is no one in basic science, that has not or is not moments away from utilizing a hook up of any kind. You all need to focus on your own grades because regardless of what any of you think, the person with the old exams may pass while the rest of you sit back and fail due to not minding your own business.---acetre

[Giovanni]

I think all of you need to grow up and get lives!!! If someone has old exams, then it belongs to them not you. The person would probably be kind enough to share them with others if you guys did not have such a holier-than-thou attitude. Also, just because you use old exams in basic sciences, that does not mean they will fail the Boards. There are students who had old stuff for every exam at SMU and they did well on the boards, so stop the generalizations. Stop snitching on each other, and stop trying to ridicule each other. There is no one in basic science, that has not or is not moments away from utilizing a hook up of any kind. You all need to ocus on your own grades because regardless of what any of you think, the person with the old exams may pass while the rest of you sit back and fail due to not minding your own business.---acetre

There you go!
This could not have been said any better! 100% with you on this acetre!

[cubmd]

I think those old exams don't make any difference in your grade cuz they are " OLD EXAMS" and profesors do not repeat the same questions, they are really good to study but that's it. I don't really care about how old students got these exam so, if you are going to blame somebody, blame them. I personally saw some of those olds exams (which i did'nt care about it) and none of the questions where in the test, so people stop talking about other's business because it is "NOT YOUR BUSINESS".

I also agree that she is the greatest RETARDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!...ever....
cuz i know her personally and i always have my doubts about it but, with this I just confirm that she is so retardddddddddddddddddddd.

by the way .....hey acetre i think you had a little to much caffeine during these exams .....so relax and go out, all you posts are so skeptical......talk a little about how the sunrise where u live or something like that ...lol..lol:toast:

[JTP73]

As an outsider to SMU, (but soon-to-be on the inside), I can't help but laugh at some of things that are posted here. There is certainly a wide range of maturity among the current student population. Thanks to everyone for the laughs. I hope that I don't have to deal with too many disordered students as I begin semester 1 in Cayman. Either way, I'm prepared. I'll bring my whoopee cushion, JIC.

http://www.fakecrap.com/products/whoopee_cushion.html

[HeyMcfly]

Are you kidding? Professors don't re-use the same questions? Where have you been? Most of the time they pull at least a third or more of their questions from old exams. In fact the last neuro exam was identical as the one from the previous semester. Why do you think so many people got high 90's-100 percent. And yes people having old exams DOES affect others, and so it IS MY BUSINESS. If half the class has old exams and because of it they do well the class average for the course is much higher because of it. This affects others because now there won't be as much of, or any of a curve on our tests and grades. This really screws over the borderline people who did NOT have old exams. I agree that they are good practice and we should have access to them, but the profs should at least write a new test each time.

[stinky]

uh...dude...are you guys in 5th grade or what coz this trash you're puttin' out is too funny...specially about the retarded girl...you know...the one with the pneumonics...I love this trash dude...do go on!

[rpostlewait]

If any of ya'll read this orginal post and thought this it was about me, Robert, a third semester student, b/c you talked to either... that guy who drove a Hummer in Maine and can't play cards to save his life, or any other people in my class..... I just wanted to say that it is about a second semester student, not me. I really don't care who, how, or how often any of yall do anything from cheating to... well...just about anything. But yeah, thanks for playing though.

Robert P.

[dapimp36]

Robert, ...your the man! lol

[funnymedgirl]

First of all, let me just say that that girl is anything but retarded...she is a genius...

That girl that was selling candy and cupcakes at school was doing it only for the White Coat Ceremony...and the irony is that she is NOT even on the White Coat Committeee...she did it out of the goodness of her own heart...she raised $350 on her own...

And as far as her mnemonics are concerned, they help her and she is so kind to share...she is probably the smartest girl in her class and I am proud to call her my friend :)

And that girl is in my Patient Doctor Care Lab, you guys should see her...she is a natural...even the professor said so himself...

And I am also in AMSA with her...you should see her stitching that she did a few weeks ago...she did it perfectly.

As far as being retarded, she is anything BUT retarded. You should see her grades and then look at yours. You are the ones who look academically retarded. All of the professors respect her for her desire to learn and for her good performance in their classes. There need to be more students like her at school. She is a model student.

Those of you who are bashing her need to look twice at the situation...because you can't see a friend who will do anything to help you when you are in need...if that girl knows that you are struggling with a class, she will give you her charts or even take time to teach you and make sure that you learn.

F, I am so proud to know you and to call you my friend...Don't listen to these people, they are nothing but jealous of your talents...

They are the "bad students" at SMU...don't even let them walk in your path...becayse they don't deserve to know you...first they do something unethical, and then they lie to cover it up...they will continue to do this one day until it catches up with them...and then it will be too late, because either they will get sued or they will lose their license for being "crooks"...

[MD999]

Grow up guys.

[MDhero]

it seems like many people in this forum dont know the true definition of a bad student. a bad student is one who cheats, lies, signs other people with attendance, dont atttend lectures, and dont spend time studying for their classes. the girl, who starts with the letter F, is a total opposite of what a bad student is. she is one of the nicest and most hardworking students at SMU. theres no one who deserves more to be a doctor than her. from reading lionking's post, it seems as some people are truly jealous of a good hardworking student. we need more people in this school like the girl, whose name starts with the letter "F"...the last thing we need is more students who are truly the bad students, ie. those who put the hardworking students down. like we learned in embryology, to succeed in medical school one needs concentration, hard work, and RESPECT FOR OTHERES.

[bts4202]

Are you kidding? Professors don't re-use the same questions? Where have you been? Most of the time they pull at least a third or more of their questions from old exams. In fact the last neuro exam was identical as the one from the previous semester. Why do you think so many people got high 90's-100 percent. And yes people having old exams DOES affect others, and so it IS MY BUSINESS. If half the class has old exams and because of it they do well the class average for the course is much higher because of it. This affects others because now there won't be as much of, or any of a curve on our tests and grades. This really screws over the borderline people who did NOT have old exams. I agree that they are good practice and we should have access to them, but the profs should at least write a new test each time.

If they really do use old exam questions and people have those old exams, then the only word to describe it is cheating.. period. Looks like SMU may need to update their question bank.

[Knight007]

Using public forums to trash a fellow student is lame!
People need to grow up... it reminds me of H.S. when people would write
demeaning things about others in restrooms.

[sweetpea]

it seems like many people in this forum dont know the true definition of a bad student. a bad student is one who cheats, lies, signs other people with attendance, dont atttend lectures, and dont spend time studying for their classes. the girl, who starts with the letter F, is a total opposite of what a bad student is. she is one of the nicest and most hardworking students at SMU. theres no one who deserves more to be a doctor than her. from reading lionking's post, it seems as some people are truly jealous of a good hardworking student. we need more people in this school like the girl, whose name starts with the letter "F"...the last thing we need is more students who are truly the bad students, ie. those who put the hardworking students down. like we learned in embryology, to succeed in medical school one needs concentration, hard work, and RESPECT FOR OTHERES.


"MD Not-A- Hero"

To bad you learned that after the embryo test. HEEHEE

[Nimmuk]

Enough with this-

This is the most unethical and unprofossional it gets-bashing people.



This thread should be close- it is demeaning people

[MDhero]

"MD Not-A- Hero"

To bad you learned that after the embryo test. HEEHEE

LOL you'll be surprised with the amount of information i learned in embryo:D

[fh71182]

before I realized that I was wasting my time reading this forum, I felt as if I was reading the diary of a 12year old. why don't ya'll go study for finals/shelf, and leave everyone alone. 'nuff said.

[sweetpea]

Nummuk and ft--whatever,

Relax, it was a joke between MDhero and I. Geez, people that is why he is laughing. :rolleyes:

[MD999]

If they really do use old exam questions and people have those old exams, then the only word to describe it is cheating.. period. Looks like SMU may need to update their question bank.

Well BTS, EVERY medical school has old exams/notes floating around somewhere. They might not be the exact exam, but more like "remembered questions". SMU does, AUC does, Ross does, SGU, St Chris does (yes I have friends there to confirm it too). At AUC they even sold the old biochem exams in the noteservice shop.
Old exams are a helpful study guide at times. They would be a diagnostic test to see where you would stand before an exam. But to memorize it is straight wrong. You not only are cheating, but you're not learning.

You can only ask a medical question about a certain disease in a limited number of ways. So you cant really deviate from the signs/symptoms of a disease. True some professors shouldnt repeat exact questions, but really, the question shouldnt be dramatically different from others. Youre not going to have a 15 year old male coming in for PID are you??

Isnt that why students go over thousand of USMLE-like questions before Step 1? That's what Im doing now. To give me exposure to different ways they can ask a question about an illness.

Professors shouldnt use the exact same question. But this isnt an SMU only thing. It's a MEDICAL SCHOOL thing. Any med school you go to, this happens.

[bts4202]

Just because there is cheating at AUC and Ross does not mean that it is acceptable everywhere and should be condoned. Plus, you must be early in medical school to be saying "there is only so many ways to ask these questions"... cause you will learn soon enough that there is a million ways to ask the same thing (and yes, when u do OB/GYN u will see 15 yo's with PID). If the old exam questions are really 3/4 of the new exams as your fellow student said, and old exams are floating around as freely as people indicate in this thread, then SMU needs to create a new question bank and be a bit more strict about their exam policy. SC is extremely strict about exam security to avoid just this problem. They learned to do this because we went through the same problems SMU is going through now. Students may hate it, but it works. Plus, it is only for teh students benefit in the end.. if people are not learning and just aceing exams cause they saw the questions ahead of time, they will never pass the boards. You do not get to se those questions ahead of time.

BTW, I am not trying to insult SMU, I am just saying that the cheating is a problem that needs to be recognized and fixed or the students are going to be the ones who suffer.

[MD999]

Just because there is cheating at AUC and Ross does not mean that it is acceptable everywhere and should be condoned. Plus, you must be early in medical school to be saying "there is only so many ways to ask these questions"... cause you will learn soon enough that there is a million ways to ask the same thing (and yes, when u do OB/GYN u will see 15 yo's with PID). If the old exam questions are really 3/4 of the new exams as your fellow student said, and old exams are floating around as freely as people indicate in this thread, then SMU needs to create a new question bank and be a bit more strict about their exam policy. SC is extremely strict about exam security to avoid just this problem. They learned to do this because we went through the same problems SMU is going through now. Students may hate it, but it works. Plus, it is only for teh students benefit in the end.. if people are not learning and just aceing exams cause they saw the questions ahead of time, they will never pass the boards. You do not get to se those questions ahead of time.

BTW, I am not trying to insult SMU, I am just saying that the cheating is a problem that needs to be recognized and fixed or the students are going to be the ones who suffer.

My example I gave would be a 15 year old MALE with PID? I hope St Chris doesnt put that down as a question.

And as far as SC exam security is concerned, thats a load of crap. It must not be that tight, because we have some SC transfers here who talk about SC's old exams floating around. They might be exact exams or they might be remembered questions, but theyre floating around, and yes it is considered cheating (both academically and personally).
I agree with the fact that if they rely on remembered questions/old exams theyre only screwing themselves.
Every school has them, no exceptions, and those that live and die by them will not pass boards or become competent physicians.

[charlottenian]

I hope this thread gets locked / deleted because it is degrading and is just a bash fest. Let us all be professional and work on ending the semester on a good note.

[cubmd]

Are you kidding? Professors don't re-use the same questions? Where have you been? Most of the time they pull at least a third or more of their questions from old exams. In fact the last neuro exam was identical as the one from the previous semester. Why do you think so many people got high 90's-100 percent. And yes people having old exams DOES affect others, and so it IS MY BUSINESS. If half the class has old exams and because of it they do well the class average for the course is much higher because of it. This affects others because now there won't be as much of, or any of a curve on our tests and grades. This really screws over the borderline people who did NOT have old exams. I agree that they are good practice and we should have access to them, but the profs should at least write a new test each time.

Hey heymcfly, what are you talking about, i saw some of the question from the old exams and none of the question were in the new ones , of course if it is the same school, the same professor and the same material covered the question are going to look similar, if u are talking about the 3 exam i don't think to many people passed or got good grades, if you are talking about the second i think it was a good exams too and not too many people got good grades and if u are talking about the 1 exams that was a very easy because the material for that exam was easy, so you better get your a.............s to study and try to do better on the final and worry a little less about the other people, because i have , 98, 96 and some high 90 in this one too ( don’t even care about the old exams) and yes i am helping to increase the average of the grades, that way the school WON,T curve and student like you will fail.


About the girl f i don’t know her personally and i retract what i said about her but please don't put her either like the best student because she is not, at least i don't ask stupid question to the professors like she does and i haven't fail any class yet and i won't.



I agree that the school should secure more the old exams and integrate new questions in the new ones so not only the " crying people who complain about others having old exams" will fail but also the people who have the old exams, that way at the end of the school only the smart people will graduate.



Yeah guys mature………………………..you can lock it down now :rolleyes:

[MDhero]

"There are no such thing as stupid questions" as dr r. would say.

[acetre]

Are you kidding? Professors don't re-use the same questions? Where have you been? Most of the time they pull at least a third or more of their questions from old exams. In fact the last neuro exam was identical as the one from the previous semester. Why do you think so many people got high 90's-100 percent. And yes people having old exams DOES affect others, and so it IS MY BUSINESS. If half the class has old exams and because of it they do well the class average for the course is much higher because of it. This affects others because now there won't be as much of, or any of a curve on our tests and grades. This really screws over the borderline people who did NOT have old exams. I agree that they are good practice and we should have access to them, but the profs should at least write a new test each time.


The class aveage does not determine anything in relationship to your grade, because there is no more curving at SMU. Perhaps if you were not worried about the studet with the old exams, you would have caught that fact. What that student does with their $8,900/sem education is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, and if I were that student, you would get knocked back for invading my space and my privacy...So, be glad I and so many other are not that student.---acetre

P.S. Curiosity killed the cat...

[HeyMcfly]

Hey heymcfly, what are you talking about, i saw some of the question from the old exams and none of the question were in the new ones , of course if it is the same school, the same professor and the same material covered the question are going to look similar, if u are talking about the 3 exam i don't think to many people passed or got good grades, if you are talking about the second i think it was a good exams too and not too many people got good grades and if u are talking about the 1 exams that was a very easy because the material for that exam was easy, so you better get your a.............s to study and try to do better on the final and worry a little less about the other people, because i have , 98, 96 and some high 90 in this one too ( don’t even care about the old exams) and yes i am helping to increase the average of the grades, that way the school WON,T curve and student like you will fail.


About the girl f i don’t know her personally and i retract what i said about her but please don't put her either like the best student because she is not, at least i don't ask stupid question to the professors like she does and i haven't fail any class yet and i won't.



I agree that the school should secure more the old exams and integrate new questions in the new ones so not only the " crying people who complain about others having old exams" will fail but also the people who have the old exams, that way at the end of the school only the smart people will graduate.



Yeah guys mature………………………..you can lock it down now :rolleyes:


I don't know what old exams you saw but some of the exam questions were IDENTICAL, not similar, or at least they were for micro and psych.