Question about AUC clinicals

[Maxico]

Can anyone tell how are the clinicals in the 3rd and 4th year? Are they arranged for us or do we have to arrange them ourselves? Also how often do we have lectures and do the AUC profressors come teach us at the clinical sites or do we just work with an attending physician. Are we pretty much on our own and given a stack of work to complete or do we get instrucutions and demonstrations.

Anyone in the 3rd or 4th year please let me know if your'e happy in your clinnicals?

Thanks

[ChanceCount]

Can anyone tell how are the clinicals in the 3rd and 4th year? Are they arranged for us or do we have to arrange them ourselves? Also how often do we have lectures and do the AUC profressors come teach us at the clinical sites or do we just work with an attending physician. Are we pretty much on our own and given a stack of work to complete or do we get instrucutions and demonstrations.

Anyone in the 3rd or 4th year please let me know if your'e happy in your clinnicals?

Thanks

I'm not in clinicals, but I'm pretty sure the only instruction is from attendings.

If you are looking to be spoonfed anything, I would suggest you look another direction.

The best way I can say it is: if you feel like you can learn 5 semesters of basics sciences on you own, then AUC is a good option. If not, you should look another direction.

[teratos]

Clinicals you learn by doing. You see patients, read about their problems, listen to hearts and lungs etc. Mostly self taught. G

[anencephalic]

Clinicals you learn by doing. You see patients, read about their problems, listen to hearts and lungs etc. Mostly self taught. G

*Gasp!* You mean, no one will spoonfeed me material and hold my hand through it all? Oh, the horror.... :rolleyes:

Aloha,

[AUCMD2006]

depends on the rotation and the site:

LSU psych: not many formal lectures, maybe two in six weeks. we had house staff meetings every two days and a hospital staff meeting once a month. also some drug company lunches/lectures. you were on your own with your attending and they determined how much you did. some of us saw our own pts in clinic while others still couldn't do a MSE at six weeks.

Michigan IM: morning lectures 7:30 AM 4 days a week (wednesday off), then there are one or two daily medical student lectures daily, radiology lecture every thursday. meeting with the IM medical director every tues at 2: morning med student lecture is at 7:15 or 7:30 afternoon is at either 1:00 or 2:00. in between that time you have to see your pts, do all the scut, read up on your cases, and if you are lucky you can eat. its a lot more fun than basic science.

as far as faculty, you are taught by attendings teaching the US med students the only difference appears to be our schedules. they start rotations on tuesdays i beleive and, unlike us, they get off the tues before they have to take their rotation exam. we on the other hand have to take it when its given, even if you are not done with that rotation you take it (if you are within 7 days of finishing and the exam falls on one of your rotation days, you take the shelf for that rotation plus any other that you haven't taken yet) once again advantage US.

setting them up: cores are set up for you. if you do electives at one of the auc core sites then you can do most electives at one site. if you do them at non affiliated sites you set them upi yourself. 5th semester you get a book with ahuge list of elective sites were auc students have doen at at least 10 weeks of rotations. if you go to auc, don't worry about clinicals, concentrate on getting through basic, the slots are there. i know its hard and worrysome and i didn't beleive it either when i was told not to worry but its true, you really don't need to worry about clinicals until you leave the island and pass yoru exam

[dc79md]

"see one, do one, teach one"

dunno who said it first, but "I see more than one, try to do one with help, do a few without help, then teach one horribly, relearn it by seeing another one, finally doing one correctly and efficiently, teaching one so-so", finally feeling ok about this one" Dan

[AUCMD2006]

see one do one my ****.....it takes a few just to know where your hands go. clinicals are like prom, it helps to have done it before

[swimguy23]

The best way I can say it is: if you feel like you can learn 5 semesters of basics sciences on you own, then AUC is a good option. If not, you should look another direction.

I wasn't spoonfed and I didnt have to teach everything to myself and I did just fine in basic sciences.....its not so much you have to teach yourself, its more that you have to put in effort to pass.....something a lot of people didnt need to do in college

[PaulN]

I'm at Aultman doing my IM rotation where you get assigned patients and then you see the patients-do an interview and physical exam, check lab and tests, write a soap note and present to the residents and attendings on rounds. There are 2 formal lectures in the afternoons on average per week and every morning at 7:15 is a 45 min lecture for all students and residents in IM called morning report. This is an excellent learning experience. We have to write 12 formal H and Ps to turn in for evaluation everyone is evaluating you so there is no taking it easy so to speak. I went to the hospital for morning report on Thursday at 715 and didn't come home til saturday at 2pm-was on an overnight call. This is a big change from the didactic learning of the basic sciences.

My 2 cents
Later,
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[Scott1981]

i am assuming the 80 hour work week limit only applies to residents? i guess its free for all against med students. also, from thursday to saturday..... wouldnt that be a double overnight?

[microphage]

i am assuming the 80 hour work week limit only applies to residents? i guess its free for all against med students. also, from thursday to saturday..... wouldnt that be a double overnight?


You could always goto England and Ireland. I hear its less intense.

[aychamo]

Less?? I want more intense! I'll just move into the hospital and never come home..

But seriously, on clinicals, how do the exams work? What if you just aren't taught some things you are tested on?

[teratos]

i am assuming the 80 hour work week limit only applies to residents? i guess its free for all against med students. also, from thursday to saturday..... wouldnt that be a double overnight?

No work hour rules for students....
It makes you a better person. G

[caribbo]

interesting..

[microphage]

No work hour rules for students....
It makes you a better person. G

Right.......... I'm not fooled by your evil ways Lightyear!

[PaulN]

you are right it was Friday morning to saturday was more than 36hrs with a knap in the call room. I'm so tired I loose track of days. It only seems to get harder as we go. The interns seem to have it the hardest. That is going to be a rough year. Anyway thanks for setting me straight.
Later
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[AUCMD2006]

studying. i have been told to study what i see then review the types of pts we didn't see to fill in the gaps. i don't know how much filling in there will be?

[Scott1981]

hey rrod, how is the apartments in michigan. are there decent ones near the hospital?

[Scott1981]

its just me and my fiance, no kids. i guess anywhere is gonna be better then dealing with the shananagans of sxm apartments. im actually looking forward for a little snow.

[teratos]

Allow me to ammend my prior post. You do get lectures in all of your rotations. Clinicals are different than what most people are used to. It is case based. You will get the most out of your experience if you go see patients on your own, read about their problems, listen to their hearts and lungs, and abdomens etc. Don't just listen to patients with murmurs. Listen to everyone. If you don't know what normal is you can't figure out what abnormal is. I can hear benign flow murmurs in 10-20% of people I listen to. most med students have a hard time hearing a 3/6 mitral regurg murmur the first few times they listen, cause they aren't too sure what they are listening for.

See patients with X problem, read about X problem. When you see X problem on the boards you will remember it. G

[teratos]

I split the banter from this thread. Move back to the top.