green book issues

[doc3]

i just started my rotations at a hospital in illinois because that is where i want to end up. however, i know that it is not a "green-book" hospital. i know what i heard from the people at the hospital about that, and basically, it is that as long as i want to stay in illinois, its not a problem. however, i thought i would see if anyone had any huge warnings against something like this. as a side note, i have been told by other students ahead of me that the actual rotations there are pretty good, so that isn't a factor. also, if anyone wants info on this hospital, (which is not jackson park by the way) personal message me.

[jim]

Non green book can be an issue. what hospital are you at? JPH is green book, as is st anthonys, so I know you are'nt there. obviosuly, you must have set these up yourself. you should have asked this question before you started there. I believe that it will be an issue in illinois, also.

[El Guapo]

I apologize in advance, but I am new to this and just trying to get some clarification.

When you say that Jackson Park and St. Anthony’s are green book, does that mean that the entire hospital is green book or just one rotation? I was under that impression that EACH rotation should be green book. For example, I understand that if one were to do a Family Practice rotation at JPH, then that would be green book. Yet, according to http://www.acgme.org/adspublic/ if one wants to do a Surgery rotation at JPH then that is NOT green book.

Can someone please clarify? Is it possible to have all green book rotations from the Ross affiliated hospitals in Chicago?

Thanks...

[jim]

all that is needed to be a "greenbook" hospital is one residency. in most states, that is good enough. in soem states, the residency must be at least in FP. while in some states(i believ this number is only 1 or 2), for licensure, the rotation must be a residency affiliated one.
this is just for cores. you can do electives just about anywhere there is a doctor working.

[justdoit]

To El Gaupo: You can have one greenbook rotations at a hospital that does not mean they are all greenbook.

I'm glad someone started this post.
I've been told and according to my research Ross does have a greenbook rotation in all of it's cores. I would love to hear that from a current student. What's the current situation with the greenbook cores?

It's a little disconcerting that people who need greenbook rotations don't even know what they're rotating in....hmm! :shock:

[El Guapo]

Based on what I have seen from other posts, I have ascertained that if I do just ONE core rotation that is not ACGME (greenbook) then I will have difficulty obtaining a license in certain states. Is this correct?

Since we are using Illinois as an example, I went to http://www.ildpr.com/WHO/med.asp and clicked on medical rules. Reading that, I came up with a question. It states, “Each applicant for licensure who completed rotations in an affiliated teaching facility must submit a copy of each affiliation agreement between the medical college which conferred the degree and each clinical teaching facility in which a core clerkship rotation was completed.” Should students ask for this agreement and keep a copy of it? What if the affiliation changes by the time one is applying for a license? The next section mentions what to do in lieu of the absence of written verification; however, does this cause headaches down the road?

At any rate, it would be a pain to do this for each state so can someone please give a summary as to which states are difficult (like Texas)? Meaning, what if I do a non greenbook rotation: does that mean I can only be licensed in Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana (chosen arbitrarily)? Or, are there more options?

Thanks…

PS. According to my research, the state of Illinois states that clinical sites are certified (eg, you can get a license) if: “The Department, upon the recommendation of the Medical Licensing Board, has determined that all clinical training programs accredited by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, the American Osteopathic Association, the College of Family Physicians of Canada, the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada and the Federation of Medical Licensing Authorities of Canada as of January 1, 1999, meet the minimum criteria set forth in this Section and are, therefore, approved, except as provided in subsection (e).”

I am unclear because I do not see why anyone would do non-ACGME clinicals. Does anyone have any insight? I guess AOA rotations qualify you, but then does this mean you cannot be licensed outside Illinois?

PLEASE LET ME KNOW if anyone disagrees with my post. I am currently trying to understand the information myself and would appreciate any ideas.

[justdoit]

Based on what I have seen from other posts, I have ascertained that if I do just ONE core rotation that is not ACGME (greenbook) then I will have difficulty obtaining a license in certain states. Is this correct?


Yes that's exactly what that means.

Since we are using Illinois as an example, I went to http://www.ildpr.com/WHO/med.asp and clicked on medical rules. Reading that, I came up with a question. It states, “Each applicant for licensure who completed rotations in an affiliated teaching facility must submit a copy of each affiliation agreement between the medical college which conferred the degree and each clinical teaching facility in which a core clerkship rotation was completed.” Should students ask for this agreement and keep a copy of it? What if the affiliation changes by the time one is applying for a license? The next section mentions what to do in lieu of the absence of written verification; however, does this cause headaches down the road?

I'm not familiar with Illinois and I would not dare try to decipher all that wording on my own. You also can't count on what everyone else tells you on here. If you are really interested in a particular state than you need to and I can't emphasize it enough....CALL the state boards or you will have headaches down the road.



At any rate, it would be a pain to do this for each state so can someone please give a summary as to which states are difficult (like Texas)? Meaning, what if I do a non greenbook rotation: does that mean I can only be licensed in Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana (chosen arbitrarily)? Or, are there more options?


You are right it would be a pain to look up all the state regulations so you can know which ones take what rotations. I'm pretty confident that know one will have this information. People are just going to know about the states that they have researched due to their own interest. For example: I can tell you Virginia is a stuff state....yes you have to have all core greenbook rotations.


I am unclear because I do not see why anyone would do non-ACGME clinicals. Does anyone have any insight? I guess AOA rotations qualify you, but then does this mean you cannot be licensed outside Illinois?


Don't be too sure that AOA rotations will qualify you in every state.....AOA rotations are not accepted core rotations for Virginia. You maybe able to get a license with non-acgme clinicals for Illinois, but you are right, there will be some states you will not be able to get a license in do to your non-acgme rotations.

[Chi]

Hello,
Please inquirying whether if one starts at Ross can transfer to AUC. Has anyone done it
Please advise --thanks

[Gator98MD]

Hello,
Please inquirying whether if one starts at Ross can transfer to AUC. Has anyone done it
Please advise --thanks

Come again?
Besides Just being a plain dumb move, as our good buddy Jim has pointed out, there are also consequences come fellowship time for having attended more than one offshore school. I believe he said that the fellowship requires a letter validating every single rotation you do at BOTH schools. Just go to AUC to begin with and be done with it.

[sheikh1]

Why not do, your entire medical education in one school!! :)