Lousy Pharm department!

[MBA-MD]

Now I thought I had a lot of respect for the Head of the Pharm department, but I lost it today when the final grades came out.

Seems our scores were higher than in prior terms, so what was an A in the last two terms was not enough, even after the assurances of the Course Director that it would be the same raw score.

Lousy Germans!

And for all those nay sayers out there that say the feed you the same line every year about your class being smarter, obviously ours wasn't a line if they had to raise the raw scores to keep from having more than a 1/3rd of the class from getting an A! :lol: Amazing how the "numbers" worked out and a third get A's and 3/5ths get B's and there are a few C's.

Also, on behalf of the few that failed the Pharm class, I want to tell Dr. ------- to stuff it...obviously the statement that no one ever fails is wrong. We have seen the numbers to prove it. So be warned you Slacker 4th termers out there. Micro looks easly next to Pharm. :shock:

mods note: edited for proper names as per no-name policy.

[f1drvr]

i think youre not supposed to say names on here.

[ed gee]

Five years from now, it won't matter.

Now I thought I had a lot of respect for the Head of the Pharm department, but I lost it today when the final grades came out.

Seems our scores were higher than in prior terms, so what was an A in the last two terms was not enough, even after the assurances of the Course Director that it would be the same raw score.

Lousy Germans!

And for all those nay sayers out there that say the feed you the same line every year about your class being smarter, obviously ours wasn't a line if they had to raise the raw scores to keep from having more than a 1/3rd of the class from getting an A! :lol: Amazing how the "numbers" worked out and a third get A's and 3/5ths get B's and there are a few C's.

Also, on behalf of the few that failed the Pharm class, I want to tell Dr. Johnson to stuff it...obviously the statement that no one ever fails is wrong. We have seen the numbers to prove it. So be warned you Slacker 4th termers out there. Micro looks easly next to Pharm. :shock:

[restlesseye]

hey not all germans..... just those two who taught us everything except pharmacy..... i think those two should sit down with dr. j and watch the movie "Great Escape." also funny how the neuro department had the same deficits.

i dont know whether it is worth it or not but something has really gone wrong here. somehow job security for some profs spells "screw the students" i dont know what the trend is but i have heard through the grapevine that our board scores are not what they used to be.

here some mud....

1) seems like this course needs some fine tuning and a major overhaul. lots of slides we have are dated "2001 or 2002" or something like that. they may be coherent in german but when translated to english they are sometimes impossible to read.

2) two out of three of the profs for pharm are unapproachable. i've tried several times to get a simple answer only to be replied with "were you not in class?" - no i was not thats why im asking. what is their job? i was told when i applied to this school that profs are fully available to the students.

3) exams we get do not reflect the quality of questions one would get in a BRS book or USMLE prep book or the kaplan quiz bank. this course does not prepare us at all for the boards let alone real life in the hospital.

[gatormed]

Don't worry, its no bearing on how you'll answer Pharmacology questions on USMLE Step 1. And that's definitely more important.

[f1drvr]

yeah i agree, this class hasnt impressed me and i feel that i am quite unprepared for the boards in htis class. There is very little in the way of thinking for the questions in pharm, jsut straight regurgitation, did you catch the last little blurb at the end of the slide?? Our professors dont seem at all like experts in the field, more like ppl who just look up the topics for us before the lecture and read it to us...

Joint lectures need to go, those are the biggest waste of time. More often than not the VP is correcting our course director on what is said in the notes, and it does nothing but hinder us learning the material. Who to believe?? the VP or the guy writing the test?? It almost seems like he wants to show that he knows about the subject but ends up embarrassing himself when a true expert speaks. There is no reason the VP's cant do the entire lectures, they can read the slides to us in english for once. We dont mind, honest.

[BabaOriley]

Agreed about the joint lectures. There were times during those lectures when I'd wonder if the course director was just pretending to be a bumbling idiot in order to get more laughs from the class, followed by the sad realization that he wasn't pretending.

[tiredintern]

i had the lowest passing score when i took pharm.. and it was well below "failing" score... there was 1 guy who failed it with 20% on the final. Vinnies classes are great, just show up and pass.

[restlesseye]

5 people failed this class and will be kept behind. sad.

[algen]

Well look at it this way, it is better to have five people fail pharmacology, than to have almost 100 fail Neuro, which is what happened with the term 2 class this semester. Now that is tough, and I doubt that the Neuro department will budge an inch. And incase you are wondering, the failures took place after the curve.

[restlesseye]

Well look at it this way, it is better to have five people fail pharmacology, than to have almost 100 fail Neuro, which is what happened with the term 2 class this semester. Now that is tough, and I doubt that the Neuro department will budge an inch. And incase you are wondering, the failures took place after the curve.

100 people failed the class? was that after the final exam?

argghhh!!!! im not surprised if the 2 german profs are still running the show there. i think the 4 of them (2 here and 2 there) are trying to bring this school down to its knees......

im sorry but they couldnt teach a class if their life depended on it. so many irrelavant topics in the neuro class which dont even prep you enough for the boards or for anything purposeful......

the biggest achievement of that class is to teach you what an MLF lesion is and how a caloric test works.

they shafted me by a letter grade by 0.2% (thats not even a full mark)

[algen]

Not only did those failures arise after the final, but after a serious curve, to prevent more failures. :shock: Those neuro heads are something else yes, but it is up to you to keep those ears open, because trust me the uppertermers always have bad things to say about neuro.

[restlesseye]

so what happened to the 100?

were they allowed to take a makeup exam?
were they forced to take the term over?

[RAMAIR57]

Wow, I have also heard that around 100 people failed this, but I wasnt sure if they meant that they failed the final or they failed the class. Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information? If you fail neuro, you have to repeat it. I am just trying to imagine how they are going to fit all of these people into the next term, which is already a huge class! It seems as though many people failed a class in term 2 this semester. I am really curious as to how many people who started in the fall with me as first termers are going to be left by the third term as non-decelled students. I wonder if there is a way to obtain this info, because it seems like many people have either decelled or failed now!

[Amanda]

I must say that I am appalled by the amount of whining going on! This is med school. Yes, the profs may not be that competent, but all you have to do is read, memorize, and regurgitate. Look, they can train monkeys to do that. If you are having trouble just passing these classes, how do you think you'll do when a patient comes in with symptoms X, Y, and Z and there aren't even five answer choices to pick from?

[algen]

Yes that is true, but to each his own. Neuro and physio are not the easiest of classes to take as we all would know. I think that with a large amount of failures, the school may have to have a makeup exam, as the term one class is already ridiculously large as it is.

[restlesseye]

I must say that I am appalled by the amount of whining going on! This is med school. Yes, the profs may not be that competent, but all you have to do is read, memorize, and regurgitate. Look, they can train monkeys to do that. If you are having trouble just passing these classes, how do you think you'll do when a patient comes in with symptoms X, Y, and Z and there aren't even five answer choices to pick from?

our patients are in deep doo doo....

[Buttons]

Hold on there........ There were people who failed the neuro course, but NOT nearly 100. I know that rumor has been bouncing around and got everyone so excited that the SGA has mounted a protest. The number is more around 30. That's not to say that the neuro department is fabulous, or that some unfair stuff didn't happen with the grading policy, but just to clear up the rumor and let everyone know that they didn't fail 1/3 of the class.

The same sort of rumor went around about physio. People were crying that 100 people failed the exam. This prompted the course director to email the stats around. As it turns out 18 failed physio.

Not only did those failures arise after the final, but after a serious curve, to prevent more failures. :shock: Those neuro heads are something else yes, but it is up to you to keep those ears open, because trust me the uppertermers always have bad things to say about neuro.

[edved100]

Not only did those failures arise after the final, but after a serious curve, to prevent more failures. :shock: Those neuro heads are something else yes, but it is up to you to keep those ears open, because trust me the uppertermers always have bad things to say about neuro.

There definitely was not a "serious" curve, unless you consider three points serious that is.

[restlesseye]

only 30 students failed? thats nothing. for a minute there i thought you said 31 students failed now that would have been something.....