what happened to the dean?

[dahai]

He signed up for 5 years of contract. All of sudden, he is gone.

He has great vision, however, he forgot the major factor - students are human beings, too. Forcing students to repeat entire
semester is not a caring act. students are not glass bottles with cracks, you can't just threw them in the fire again and redo them all over.

second, two semesters ago, students only got their final score without their shelf scores or final raw scores. Students complained about it. However, he did it again for the last semester. After all, this is a med. school, not a communist election party.

under his leadership, the classes are getting smaller and smaller.

let the rumor starts now.

[Dru]

Are you referring to Ross or AUC, dahai?

[williamrobert]

yep, the Executive Dean here at Ross is history, and apparently quite suddenly. A former Dean was approached (according to him...he taught us for two hours today) just a few days ago and asked to fill in as interim Dean. He does not even have a place to live yet. So whatever went down must have gone down fast.

[FRNC]

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_School/Administration/administration.html

[microphage]

Are you referring to Ross or AUC, dahai?


huh? how did you get AUC out of the message?

[link626]

when did ******* start working here again?

oh, and i overheard some students discussing how they might do away with BMSI.
hmm... may be a bad thing...

Of course I don't believe any of the crap until it's official.

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[Dr E]

I kind of knew this was going to happen, the previous dean tried to raise the bar to fast and in the process, less students applied to Ross. It's very simple really, foreign schools are about making money, they don't have the luxury of grant's which US schools have. I understand
about improving the school but just not so fast.

[williamrobert]

I dunno, I have no idea about actually why this happened, but according to our interim Dean (who was Dean for three years prior), he was literally asked "overnight" to rush down here and take over until a search could be implemented and a permanent Dean found. If it were just a matter of general performance issues, this would have been handled months in advance, with plenty of notice etc. SOMETHING happened, I just have no idea what. Some people say "Shelfgate" but that is just rumor/guessing.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I dunno, I have no idea about actually why this happened, but according to our interim Dean (who was Dean for three years prior), he was literally asked "overnight" to rush down here and take over until a search could be implemented and a permanent Dean found. If it were just a matter of general performance issues, this would have been handled months in advance, with plenty of notice etc. SOMETHING happened, I just have no idea what. Some people say "Shelfgate" but that is just rumor/guessing.

What do you mean by "shelfgate"

Is ******* being blamed for it?

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[Junito]

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_School/Administration/administration.html

******** is no longer the Chair for physio, neither is he at Ross, I thought he was at AUA. The link needs to be updated.

Juni


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[Shah_Patel_PT]

When does the next semester start?

[Dru]

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_School/Academic_Calendar/academic_calendar.html

[Linus]

http://www.rossmed.edu/Medical_School/Administration/administration.html

******** is no longer the Chair for physio, neither is he at Ross, I thought he was at AUA. The link needs to be updated.

Juni


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dont you go to a different school, or at least i figured that since you always post on st matts forum

[homerbrave]

He signed up for 5 years of contract. All of sudden, he is gone.

let the rumor starts now.


I like what he was doing in Dominica. He was moving the basic science course in the positive direction by raising admission standards and making the curriculum more cohesive. I hope the school didn't fire him b/c of the missing shelf. I know the other professors didn't like his managment style b/c he makes them work harder but he meant well. Too bad he wasn't allowed to see through the new plan.

What are they going to do now with the newly implemented first and second semester curriculum enacted by the former Dean? Change it again?

Best wishes to you and your family Dean O!!!

[zedpol]

MedicinePosted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: what happened to the dean?
dahai wrote:
He signed up for 5 years of contract. All of sudden, he is gone.

let the rumor starts now.



I like what he was doing in Dominica. He was moving the basic science course in the positive direction by raising admission standards and making the curriculum more cohesive. I hope the school didn't fire him b/c of the missing shelf. I know the other professors didn't like his managment style b/c he makes them work harder but he meant well. Too bad he wasn't allowed to see through the new plan.

What are they going to do now with the newly implemented first and second semester curriculum enacted by the former Dean? Change it again?

Best wishes to you and your family Dean O!!!

I didn't always see eye to eye to him but I liked his over all plan for the school.
Z

[MitchDC]

Hopefully the University will come out with a statement explaining his quick exit. Possibly this could be in the form of an e-mail from our new University President?

-MitchDC


MedicinePosted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: what happened to the dean?
dahai wrote:
He signed up for 5 years of contract. All of sudden, he is gone.

let the rumor starts now.



I like what he was doing in Dominica. He was moving the basic science course in the positive direction by raising admission standards and making the curriculum more cohesive. I hope the school didn't fire him b/c of the missing shelf. I know the other professors didn't like his managment style b/c he makes them work harder but he meant well. Too bad he wasn't allowed to see through the new plan.

What are they going to do now with the newly implemented first and second semester curriculum enacted by the former Dean? Change it again?

Best wishes to you and your family Dean O!!!

I didn't always see eye to eye to him but I liked his over all plan for the school.
Z

[Neuro3]

during class yesterday the interm dean said that the board went to the President of Ross and requested that he is fired. I dont remember the exact words he said but that was what he was saying. In my opinion when a board gets involved then it had something to do with money. One of the current classes had like 150 students. Im in fourth and we had 326 when we started. The class after us had more. I think the changes he made are for the better of the school but probably eliminated a lot of students that would have come here or be able to pass the classes. Think about it in dollars. 326 students X $10,200.00 = $3,325,200.00 vs 150 students X 10,200. = $1,530,000.

[singer]

Neuro3:

I guess the difference between Ross and other schools is Quantity versus Quality off students. If that is why he was fired that is a real shame but $$ become more important when Devry's other ventures are going sour.

[link626]

i don't think it's a numbers issue.

my guess is that they could have easily accepted a hundred more student for the previous 1st semester class..... unless the applicant pool was just god awful, with MCAT scores of 20 or less.

the current 3rd semester is packed.

How many students are in 4th semester right now? I wonder if we'll ever fit into classroom 4....

[williamrobert]

the weird part about the whole thing is the suddenness. I mean, the interim Dean wasn't even approached about taking over until the night before according to him. If it were just a money issue, or a performance issue, leadership style etc. etc. it would not have been handled this way. This has "sudden" and "unexpected" written all over it. "Something" had to have happened, on either (or both) ends, for this kind of drastic/dramatic change to come about "overnight" to borrow the new dean's word.

[goldielocks]

It's more than obvious that ROSS has been on the decline for some time now. Hopefully, this change will reestablish ROSS as a viable option for those wishing to attend medical school in the caribbean.

[link626]

so what changes have been made now?

the interim dean said than nothing is changing, so right now, the school is just as viable an option as it was before.

[cqtrinh]

It is too bad that ****** was "abruptly" relieved. In my opinion, he was doing a lot of good for the school. The new standards in place are very much in line to making Ross produce "better" and more competitive students for residency. Many students complain about repeating a semester after failing a class or two, but the reality is that those people are lucky to only repeat a semester. A "real" medical school (US school) requires repeating an entire year of coursework. Fail physiology and start with biochemistry all over again. If Ross U has aspirations to be "comparable" to a qualitied US school, then standards are the first thing that needs to get better. Besides, there is no excuse to fail when there is a "curve". Some US school, passing is a 75% raw, so there is really no reason to complain. IF you study, "really" study, then you will pass. In my opinion, Ross is NOT "declining". The best way to assess that is board scores. With all the changes, we will only tell if it worked when those people take Step 1 and then we will know if this work. This should be students taking Step 1 now. The poor board scores of late are from people "passing" with the inflated grades from the previous standards and Dean (or current Interim Dean). People spend so much time complaining about Ross "sucking" and about failing, rather than just buckling down and studying. IF YOU STUDY, YOU WILL PASS...PERIOD. Studying is not 2 hours a day and Winebar Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. But, hey, to each his own. Just my 2 cents. It is too bad that as Ross is progressing forward in the past year, they decide all of a sudden to take 2 steps back. Just my ignorant opinion.

-C

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[link626]

cqtrinh, you're a broken record, man.

the weak will get weeded out eventually.

[awdc]

Many students complain about repeating a semester after failing a class or two, but the reality is that those people are lucky to only repeat a semester. A "real" medical school (US school) requires repeating an entire year of coursework. Fail physiology and start with biochemistry all over again. If Ross U has aspirations to be "comparable" to a qualitied US school, then standards are the first thing that needs to get better. Besides, there is no excuse to fail when there is a "curve". Some US school, passing is a 75% raw, so there is really no reason to complain. IF you study, "really" study, then you will pass. In my opinion, Ross is NOT "declining".

The thing with U.S. schools is that they give you another chance to take the exam should you fail a block/class/semester. At Ross, there are no second chances at an exam.

Whether a school uses a "curve" may have little to do with the difficulty since profs may very well take that into account when designing an exam.

[ravaldo]

cqtrinh, I do not know if you are a professor or just another upperclassmen attempting to brainwash people into beliving that Ross policies are universal, they are not.. US schools will test you seperately on each subject, with numerous questions and if you fail a class, ohh yes-some US students do fail, you repeat the exam or the class during the summer. IF you do not belive me, check it out for yourselves, MOST US schools do not have this horrible policy of exploiting students for finiantial gain

[MitchDC]

If Ross' USMLE Pass rate was 100% whether students passed their classes or not, this wouldn't be an issue.

If failing classes had no relevance to board scores or future success, this wouldn't be an issue.

If students all students came to Ross with 35+ MCAT scores which supposedly are somewhat predictive of Step 1 performance in addition to a 3.85 GPA from a good school, this might not be an issue.

However, at Ross, if you fail a class you really didn't grasp the information and it really is best for you if you retake that class. While you are at it, and in order to get your student loans, you might as well brush up on the other classes. Students need to decide - do they want a dimploma mill or a school with high standards? I think one of the problems Ross faces is that each class has a loud minority that favors the former.

-M

-MitchDC


Many students complain about repeating a semester after failing a class or two, but the reality is that those people are lucky to only repeat a semester. A "real" medical school (US school) requires repeating an entire year of coursework. Fail physiology and start with biochemistry all over again. If Ross U has aspirations to be "comparable" to a qualitied US school, then standards are the first thing that needs to get better. Besides, there is no excuse to fail when there is a "curve". Some US school, passing is a 75% raw, so there is really no reason to complain. IF you study, "really" study, then you will pass. In my opinion, Ross is NOT "declining".

The thing with U.S. schools is that they give you another chance to take the exam should you fail a block/class/semester. At Ross, there are no second chances at an exam.

Whether a school uses a "curve" may have little to do with the difficulty since profs may very well take that into account when designing an exam.

[link626]

summer school is out of the question, because the 16 month cycle just doesn't accomodate a summer session.

and secondly, if you were allowed to retake the exam, chances are that you'd fail it again.

Obviously, you can't retake the exact same test. That wouldn't fair..... you'd know all the answers after you go home and look them up.
So... let's say they give you another exam, mix it up, test you on the same concepts....
well... you didn't understand the concepts to begin with, so what do you think test retakers would get?

Neither of the policies discussed is universal. Some schools give you a retake, some fail you for the whole year, some give you summer school.

Anyway, on point, what is the minimum cutoff now to go to miami? 2.6gpa? that low of a cut off is already lenient enough.

[Suzzallo]

I love******

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[dahai]

When his philosophy is good, he forgot the human factor. under his leadership, he "fired" many weak students who need extra help. However, he did not fire any unqualified professors. Asking students to repeat an entire semester is not helping students. He should have asked those weak professors to take some teaching classes, send those professors back home.

He changed the format, but deep inside, it is all the same. The people who are teaching did not change. They still teach the same way before and after.

He only wants to make the school looks good, but he care less about how students feel. He forgot that water can float the boat, water can also sink the boat.

[ravaldo]

Before coming to Ross, I used to belive that a high MCAT score will predict how you do in medical school, however, now I am in second and I do not agree with that anymore. Many of my friends at ROss had horrible MCAT scores 17 total, and 2.3 undergrad GPA's, and they are doing awsome at Ross, better then me, at least for first semester,however, I have not yet failed a class. The MCAT verbal reasoning section is useless for Med school, dispite the AAMC claiming it is the most important indicator of how well you do in medical school, also, the science on the MCAT is more reasoning- for example physics, vs at Ross, I belive you are tested on your short term memory, to take into your memory and spit it out.

[link626]

When his philosophy is good, he forgot the human factor. under his leadership, he "fired" many weak students who need extra help. However, he did not fire any unqualified professors. Asking students to repeat an entire semester is not helping students. He should have asked those weak professors to take some teaching classes, send those professors back home.

He changed the format, but deep inside, it is all the same. The people who are teaching did not change. They still teach the same way before and after.

He only wants to make the school looks good, but he care less about how students feel. He forgot that water can float the boat, water can also sink the boat.


but you and i both know that weak students don't seek help. so the teachers can't take all the blame.

and if you look at it carefully, repeating a semester DOES help the student. it gives the student an extra 4 months to strengthen his foundations. A shaky foundation hurts the student in the end.
I have spoken to someone who repeated 1st semester, and that person said that now his understanding of biochemistry is a lot stronger.


Before coming to Ross, I used to belive that a high MCAT score will predict how you do in medical school, however, now I am in second and I do not agree with that anymore. Many of my friends at ROss had horrible MCAT scores 17 total, and 2.3 undergrad GPA's, and they are doing awsome at Ross, better then me, at least for first semester,however, I have not yet failed a class. The MCAT verbal reasoning section is useless for Med school, dispite the AAMC claiming it is the most important indicator of how well you do in medical school, also, the science on the MCAT is more reasoning- for example physics, vs at Ross, I belive you are tested on your short term memory, to take into your memory and spit it out.

it's not totally useless. verbal reasoning is important for assessing whether you understand what you read in textbooks.

ask anyone in the US. med school is a lot of memorization. and then after that, you get to apply some of the info you memorized.

don't underestimate those who seemingly did worse than you in college. and don't be complacent.

If you are wasting your time on things that the teachers don't emphasize, you will feel the hurt on exams. Take care of what the teachers want you to know first, then spend any spare time on preparing for the usmle.

[dahai]

link626, you must have a strong link with the dean or the school.

under the old dean's leadership, the school hid students' raw final scores and shelf scores not once, but twice.

you like this school so much, you probably think that what they did was very good, too. You must know the reason why they hid students' raw scores. So tell us, please.

[link626]

link626, you must have a strong link with the dean or the school.

under the old dean's leadership, the school hid students' raw final scores and shelf scores not once, but twice.

you like this school so much, you probably think that what they did was very good, too. You must know the reason why they hid students' raw scores. So tell us, please.

hide the raw final scores? *** are you talking about.

under ******, you get to copy your final exam answers to the answer sheet. then you can go home and check your own answers and calculate your own raw score.


oh. no wait. there was a conspiracy to fail just you.

there, i told you.

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[futuremdsomewhere]

link626, you must have a strong link with the dean or the school.

under the old dean's leadership, the school hid students' raw final scores and shelf scores not once, but twice.

you like this school so much, you probably think that what they did was very good, too. You must know the reason why they hid students' raw scores. So tell us, please.

Hid? All you had to do was go and ask, any of the dept heads have all the raw and individual scores. It isnt like they were failing people that actually passed. If anything they passed people who were border line failing.

[dahai]

So what is the reason that they did not give students their raw scores?

And I suppose that you would also agree on how his policy on the shelf exams which apprently was totally wrong.

how much do you get paid for advertising on here?

[singer]

Dahai:

Obviously studying all the semester subjects but only getting one shelf exam doesn't make sence. The shelf exam is the only test that shows how you do amoungst the real world students.

[link626]

So what is the reason that they did not give students their raw scores?

And I suppose that you would also agree on how his policy on the shelf exams which apprently was totally wrong.

how much do you get paid for advertising on here?


I get $50 per post that i type on here.
I bill Ross directly.

[TheeeGod]

I hope the new dean doesn't make any changes as he is the INTERIM dean. But already he has elected that all the shelves be take for all the subjects. I have never seen a school who has changed a dean so quickly. The guy put in some policies and the fruits of the policy will never be seen. Pooor O

[microphage]

So what is the reason that they did not give students their raw scores?

And I suppose that you would also agree on how his policy on the shelf exams which apprently was totally wrong.

how much do you get paid for advertising on here?


I get $50 per post that i type on here.
I bill Ross directly.

How do I get employment? I'll even start bashing MY school if I can get that kind of income!

Resume:

Microphage
email:Microphage@hotmail.com

First and ONLY member to be awarded "Useless Member" designation
First non-moderator to reach 2000 and 3000 posts
First person to post Steph's picture on Valuemd and not get a warning for it
First member to post 8 messages in a row to self

[Gator98MD]

that's a hell of an impressive CV. And you had time for medical school?

[dahai]

finally, someone agrees with me.

further, students spent their time and energy studied and took the exam, in the end, they were not given their shelf scores. That happened all under the rule of the fired Dean.

Dahai:

Obviously studying all the semester subjects but only getting one shelf exam doesn't make sence. The shelf exam is the only test that shows how you do amoungst the real world students.

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I have never seen a school who has changed a dean so quickly. Pooor O

How many schools have you been to???

[futuremdsomewhere]

finally, someone agrees with me.

further, students spent their time and energy studied and took the exam, in the end, they were not given their shelf scores. That happened all under the rule of the fired Dean.

Dahai:

Obviously studying all the semester subjects but only getting one shelf exam doesn't make sence. The shelf exam is the only test that shows how you do amoungst the real world students.

We received our shelf scores except last semester because of the lost shelf. Now how that was the fault of the previous dean you will have to tell me.

[TheeeGod]

I have never seen a school who has changed a dean so quickly. Pooor O

How many schools have you been to???

my undergrad had a dean that was there for like decades...i have a LOT of friends that go to undergrad all throughout the nation and when i asked them. their deans have also been there for at least 10+ years....

how many schools have you been to that change deans like cars?

[MitchDC]

One of the differences of the Deans at Ross has been that they hire Deans with extensive experience and that are close to retirement. These individuals sign on for a period of a few years and usually have a retirement date scheduled. I would imagine that their income from Ross seals their retirement.

Just as I was leaving the island they threw a huge going away party for *******(the past Executive Dean and current Interim Dean). Most students very much respected him and he helped advance Ross University in many ways. Once he retired from the island and *******came on, *******continued to work for Ross in the New Jersey office and continued to lecture in Miami. Obviously he stayed close to the University and was willing to help out by coming back to serve in the gap between deans.

Unlike undergrad experiences, as mentioned above, a medical school deanship comes after many years of experience. As Ross continues to recruit experienced, well respected medical educators as dean, we can expect that the turnover will likely be every few years (to several) as these individuals return to the US to spend time with their family and grandchildren in retirement.

I look forward to seeing who Devry and Ross can recruit as our next Executive Dean.

-M
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[ehmd]

I think that *******was a great guy. He was trying to make some really positive changes with the school. Too bad he won't be around to see the outcome of these changes.

I had the opportunity to talk to him a few times recently and he seemed like a very nice and passionate person. He seemed to have some really good ideas for the school that he wanted to see implemented.

I wish him the best of luck.


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[Gingerbreadman]

Well I guess i have to comment on this sense everyone else and their neighbor has.

I arrived for my first semester extremely early when i came here. there was no one around because it was christmas break. I had to go see the dean, *******, because i was missing some paperwork. The secretary wasnt there in the big office and the dean's door was halfway open and i heard two people talking. I realized it was the Dean and another professor at ross. The professor, who shall obviously remain nameless, was asking about his department getting salary increases. To make a really long story just long, the dean told him it wouldnt happen and that he had more important things to deal with. He told this professor that on that particular morning he had 3 of the local landlords who happen to control most of the student housing in the area come to him and offer him kick backs on the rent if he would make sure that the housing office brought the students to thier apartments first, as well as they wanted the housing office to "push" their apartments to keep them full. In exchange, for each semester that their apartments stayed at least 80% full he would get a financial "reward". *******, told this professor that he told them that what they were asking was not only illegal but completely unethical and that in his opinion the prices the landlords were charging were already rediculous. In ******* own words, "these dominican landlords are ripping these poor kids off already as it is".

I didnt even know ******* at that point and had never meet him but I liked him immediately. Later I had a couple of dealings with him and i honestly believe he is a good man who was trying to do some good. I wish him the best and hope he does well.

There, I said my 2 cents

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[DrVinsk]

I'm going to gamble and say I believe your story. I too have sat outside *******office and overheard interesting things......I overheard some jazz regarding the missing shelf.......but in response to your statement...once again we see what lousy people these Dominicans are. Now some silly-willy first time overseas guy is gonna chime in and say how wonderful the locals are and this is just a small exeception. Come on, whoever that silly fool was that said there's nothing wrong with the Dominicans exploiting the movie people ...come on....come tell me how a local sold you a coconut and only charged you an extra dollar to cut it open for you...man......what a nice guy!! Whoa it makes me blue.......fools......I live with fools!


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[mushmouth]

*****

So this guy walks into a bar...

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[Dru]

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[CA willy]

So call me a silly-willy (perhaps your choice of the term was in reference to me!), though I can speak from experience having completed my four semesters on the island. The problem with your statement is that you are generalizing to the entire Dominican population the unfortunate behaviors or a small minority of people. Yes, there are some folks on the island that will jump at any opportunity to take advantage of students, Disney, whoever has money. I've seen in and been a victim of it myself. In my experience, however, the majority of the "average" folks that I encountered while I was there were good people who would try to be helpful, or at least pleasant. I certainly felt taken advantage of by some, but most certainly not all, of the folks there. Please be careful about making such sweeping generalizations. It really isn't fair to the many who do not fit your description.



I'm going to gamble and say I believe your story. I too have sat outside *******office and overheard interesting things......I overheard some jazz regarding the missing shelf.......but in response to your statement...once again we see what lousy people these Dominicans are. Now some silly-willy first time overseas guy is gonna chime in and say how wonderful the locals are and this is just a small exeception. Come on, whoever that silly fool was that said there's nothing wrong with the Dominicans exploiting the movie people ...come on....come tell me how a local sold you a coconut and only charged you an extra dollar to cut it open for you...man......what a nice guy!! Whoa it makes me blue.......fools......I live with fools!


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[DrVinsk]

Normally your response would have merit. As I said in another post, I have extensively involved myself in the culture here. Obviously not EVERY Dominican is as I stated. However, my point is the unusually widespread rudeness, laziness and ignorance that anyone who has combed the island will encounter. Most business establishments have this behavior, most departments at Ross have this behavior and if you listen to the congregations that form on street corners.....you will see it as well. I have met some locals who are wonderful people....but that is few and far between. I think you are being to statistical about it, mabye just because it's negative. Do you think it's incorrect to say, " Rastas are sure laid-back people"? No. Obviously you could find many Rastas who aren't laid back at all....but that doesn't mean the general attitude is incorrect. Mabye you had a great time and think all these people are the best...fine. I'm just saying I probably interact more with Dominicans than most students and unfortunately have come to this conclusion. You should've heard the things that were being said about our school during the elections! Mass amounts of people totally ingrateful for the economy that Ross has brought here. Anyway, I understand your reply...I just don't see this country as you do. Take care. (and no, you're not the silly-willy...your reply was too intelligent.)

[ravaldo]

I also would have to agree with you to some degree, especially at school and around the area. Just asking a domincan for help will kind of elict a not so friendly response from many of them. I belive that some americans do initiate the rude behavior, however, I do not and they are that way to me. For instance the woman in the registra office, she is just plain nasty, also the fininatial aid office, they are on vacation every second, when they are there, they always refer your questions to the other finantial aid officer

[dahai]

I am talking about the shelf scores, that is the only way that students can compare themselves with students in the US.

So go ahead, tell us, how can students find out their own shelf scores? Under that big belly dean's leadership, twice, the exam withheld students' shelf scores. How can students be prepared for the step 1, if they can't even find out their own shelf scores?



hide the raw final scores? *** are you talking about.

under ******, you get to copy your final exam answers to the answer sheet. then you can go home and check your own answers and calculate your own raw score.

[Gator98MD]

You know, there have been so many tangents from the main question of this thread, I dont know if I am coming or going. I am curious, does anyone have any new info about what happened to the dean? I see that the new dean is actually the dean I had when I was on the island. I bet he feels like he is in the mob.....just when he thought he had made it off that infernal island, they pull him back in.

[dahai]

The guy put in some policies and the fruits of the policy will never be seen. Pooor O

I think that *******was a great guy. He was trying to make some really positive changes with the school. Too bad he won't be around to see the outcome of these changes.


Are you blind?

He changed his own policy every semester. First, he changed the exam schedule without consulting with students. He moved the final to the Friday, the shelf to Wednesday. The next semester, he changed the final to Thursday. Last semester, he wanted to change the shelf to Tuesday.

Under his “guidance,” the exam center withheld students’ shelf scores, and gave out false information. The first time, the email stated that students can find out their raw scores by going to the exam center. So I went to the exam center, they sent me to the course director. And I went to the course director, and he didn’t have my shelf score, either. So as you can see, that was a total lie.

Last semester, they did it again even though they already heard enough complains from students. This time, they didn’t even bother to tell students where they can find their own raw shelf scores because they probably think that students can't handle the truth. So I don’t see how his policy helped students in any way at all.

Second, because of him, quite a few good teachers left. And those weak teachers who should be fired continue to teach. How is that helpful?

In conclusion, His policies were neither popular among the students nor the teachers.

[stinky]

uh...dude, I think the Dean is a pretty cool dude because he left