why does this school exist

[pitstar]

My comments are to current Spartan students:

Please let the incoming students in a succinct argument the many reasons that Spartan is not a choice. Please do a service to your fellow MDs and expose the inadequesy(only a former Spartan Grad like me would not splell it right) at Spartan. Cheers from my new school in the UK !!!

P.S. I wish you were here Sean.

[shockandawe]

Please do a service to your fellow MDs and expose the inadequesy(only a former Spartan Grad like me would not splell it right) at Spartan. Cheers from my new school in the UK !!!


If you couldn't make it from Spartan, I'm sure you'll make it from your new school... -s&a

[dt]

Please do a service to your fellow MDs and expose the inadequesy(only a former Spartan Grad like me would not splell it right) at Spartan. Cheers from my new school in the UK !!!


If you couldn't make it from Spartan, I'm sure you'll make it from your new school... -s&a

That's such a nice way of saying it...

[teratos]

Another question one might ask is "will it exist 5 years from now?" G

[ASIANDOC]

I was searching under "Spartan awards" and this page appeared,one of spartan alumni been invited twice to Oslo,I must admit I am impressed to say the least,I guess this is one reason justifies this school existance because people like this alumni is not considered a physician but exceptional leader.

http://www.fguonline.org/index.php?id=7%2C0%2C0%2C1%2C0%2C0

[pitstar]

I was searching under "Spartan awards" and this page appeared,one of spartan alumni been invited twice to Oslo,I must admit I am impressed to say the least,I guess this is one reason justifies this school existance because people like this alumni is not considered a physician but exceptional leader.

http://www.fguonline.org/index.php?id=7%2C0%2C0%2C1%2C0%2C0

1/1000000 does not mean every "1" will be the same. Cheers from the UK

[pitstar]

Yes folks, I have it in for this school (sorry I was a pre-grad). Nevertheless if there was any school which was a captilistic diploma mill let me know........Pre-med beware....this "Indian faculty" is very corrupt. PM if you want to know the details.

Well, good to you all and I am happy at Varna.

[WestTexasRN]

"Cheers from my new school in the UK !!!"

"Well, good to you all and I am happy at Varna."

Did Varna move to U.K.??????????? :roll:

[pitstar]

"Cheers from my new school in the UK !!!"

"Well, good to you all and I am happy at Varna."

Did Varna move to U.K.??????????? :roll:

I don't know did they? Maybe you know something I don't. Please enlighten me.

[drfisher]

So if you are a Spartan grad why are you not practising? You can easily attend a PLAB revision class in London and revise in the summer before PLAB.

Spartan is recognised by the GMC for limited registration they have told me in an email that I will be able to site PLAB if I go to Spartan and graduate.

The school will not make you a doctor. The school provides you with the tools and if that means they read from a book then it is on your own initiative to study.

I am currently a student nurse and my school is considered the best in the UK. But guess what? Much of what you describe at Spartan is EXACTLY what happens at my school.

If it happened at Harvard people would accept it but because it is a Carribean school people knock it.

If you have to study by yourself then do it and stop complaining. I have to work rotations 37.5 hours a week and do assignments each week and revise for exams and work to pay my living.

I have to do the study myself, this is called SELF DIRECTED LEARNING. Mommy isn't here to hold your hand for you anymore, Spartan is not there to teach you. They are there to facilitate your learning.

This is what University is all about. If you want to be molly coddled then you are not ready for medicine.

Spartan has been around a long time, a lot longer than some other schools and they will be around for a long time yet.

[ASIANDOC]

so many changes happening with technology today,many US vocational schools like nurse practioners and physicians assistant programs taken on line with rotations arranged close to home hospitals,multi-million dollars libraries almost empty due to availability of most books and reseach on line,during my academic appointment at US med schools I noticed many students self learned,and using plastinated cadavers spreading,all of the above were considered no no just few years ago but totally well accepted now.
changes will happen to IMG's in the near future in response to well planned campaign to control the spread of carribean education and to take care of the problem is simple:go on 20/20 and claim grads are unqualified,or do what I was saying for a long time:if a state wants to get rid of school all they have to say :a school must be in good standings in all states and that what Texas just did.
But,if we very highly qualified students and grads feel we are treated unfairly based on school of graduation years ago,we also have obligation to have our voices heared and raise our own concerens ,because of the CT articles concerns things will change,because of the directors of residencies in Indiana underserved areas lack of physicians things might change,and here we have also a reasonable concerns that why after years and years of experience and successful practice in the US are still have different rules and laws applied on us and waived on the many unqualified IMG's in whom we see their names on the disciplinary actions reports every month in every state medical board sites?
Its our professional duty to write to FSMB.AAMC.AMA,ECFMG to raise our concerns and ask that all IMG's should be treated equally based on qualification and board certifications[according to speciality boards BC is the best tool to assure that doctor is expert and best assurance for public safety] and put strict rules on everyone enters the USA to practice.

http://www.valuemd.com/medschool/usmleforum.php?url=http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/reporter/april05/word.htm

[greendogz]

Hey Dr. Fischer,

Since you're so great and you go to "the best nursing school in England", why don't you do us all a favor and go to Spartan, spend four years ACTUALLY becoming an MD and THEN tell us what you think about the school. Until then, any comments you make are basically just conjecture.

[bts4202]

The school will not make you a doctor. The school provides you with the tools and if that means they read from a book then it is on your own initiative to study.
....

I am currently a student nurse and my school is considered the best in the UK. But guess what? Much of what you describe at Spartan is EXACTLY what happens at my school.
....

Spartan has been around a long time, a lot longer than some other schools and they will be around for a long time yet.


If your a nursing student, how in the world can you say any of these things abotu medical education and spartans continued viability?

[drfisher]

Regardless of what you are studying, methods of delivering learning are the same.

Greendogz, your attitude is disgraceful and I hope that all physicians are not the same as you. You are a bad physician not because of your education but because of your attitude. You remind me so much of some ex-doctors I know. I say ex because they don't last long.

Where is your caring attitude? You certainly don't show it on here.

I know that my school is the best in England because the NMC which is the Nursing regulatory body in the UK has said it is the best. Simple as!

I am going to Spartan when I graduate from my Nursing course.

I have to work with arrogant physicians like you every day and the patients and staff hate them.

I hope to god I never end up requiring treatment from you.

Aristotle said that true intelligence is the ability to entertain a thought and not accept it.

You might be good at your studies and you may have got a high USMLE but I do not think you have any true intelligence.

See you at the State Board.

[drfisher]

You MD's put too much on your sugar pedestal and one day it will crumble when the rain falls. Realise that you are not a doctor until you earn a PhD you are simply a medical practitioner who has a simple anatomy degree with some practical experience.

Realise that you are a Man and not a God and one day you will become a good doctor. But for now you are an average one.

I suspect when you have your uniform and your props on you act kind and caring but it is obvious that you smipy see patients as medical conditions.

I hope you learn quickly before you get a kick up the **** from a real doctor.

[anotherstudent]

I am going to Spartan when I graduate from my Nursing course.
LOL...Good Luck, It's too bad that you are intoxicated by the unusual low tuition and the over accomodating phone conversation from you know who, especially after what has been shared to you by others (only trying to save your skin). But hey..what do any of us know? Send them your cash and jump on in. Don't worry DF, I'll drop by to say I told you so later.

[ASIANDOC]

http://www.aimmembers.org/

upcomming AIM meeting FSMB discussions on International schools

[greendogz]

honestly drfischer, your post doesn't even deserve a reply.

[cahsu2005]

I believe that these so called MD's drfisher have hit a nerve in you. It is obvious you have grown to resent doctors with this attitude, but what makes you think that some of these people really are doctors??
I fill with dismay when you say :

"You MD's put too much on your sugar pedestal and one day it will crumble when the rain falls. Realise that you are not a doctor until you earn a PhD you are simply a medical practitioner who has a simple anatomy degree with some practical experience.
Realise that you are a Man and not a God and one day you will become a good doctor. "

Then you must want to be a doctor to help people of course, but you can also help people by being a nurse.
Furthermore, what makes you think that greendogz is a 'Man', to be a doctor 'Realize that you are a woman/person and not a God'??... hint of feminism here.... I must be losing it ...lol

Anyways, I am being overly cynical and picky.

I've been researching like you have drfisher on the possiblities of Caribbean schools and if you really want to be a doctor, you will get there whether you are at Spartan or in the UK.
Good Luck in Jan 06.

[AUCMD2006]

"Realise that you are not a doctor until you earn a PhD "

now that is good comedy.....

[drfisher]

Anyone without a PhD is not a doctor they are simply a medical practitioner using a borrowed title. Doctor is Latin for teacher and refers to that age old tradition of medical students being an apprentice.

[AUCMD2006]

who says doctors aren't teachers? don't they lecture patients and teach them about their disease?

so by that defenition PhD's who do research, which is probably a majority of them since cushy University gigs are hard to come by, are not 'real' doctors either.

ask 100 people who they think of when you say doctor and most will say their medical doctor. PhD's are only referred to as doctor in their professional circles but either way both earned the title. i just think your comment is, for lack of a better word, idiotic......you are not a doctor until you have 4your PhD, its still good comedy or a great slogan for a PhD prgram....

[LqdPls]

Anyone without a PhD is not a doctor they are simply a medical practitioner using a borrowed title. Doctor is Latin for teacher and refers to that age old tradition of medical students being an apprentice.


A doctor is defined as a learned or authoritative teacher. The only difference between a PhD and an MD is that a PhD applies to a narrower field of study or expertise. But both have equally earned the right to carry the title of a doctor or teacher.