med prep program is a joke!!!

[rossstudent]

According to students currently enrolled in the Med Prep program, most claim it to be a WAIST OF MONEY!!! The school makes you take a course in Physics. Now if you talk to any of the upperclassmen, Physics is not a course that comes into play all that much in medicine. There are times when you need to understand the concept of pressure, maybe some voltage, etc. Overall, it's a waist of $10K in tuition and another $7-8K in living expenses. The current students that I know wish they would have rather waited and went straight into the first semester.

So my advice, if you have a science backround, DON'T get enrolled into the med prep program. If you are already enrolled, just wait and reapply for the next semester. You will save a lot of money. Rather in that time, take some type of physiology, gross anatomy, or microbiology course at a local community college or a university. That will prepare you a lot more than the med prep program will. In this program, you get to sit in each of the courses for a week, so that you can "get exposure" to the course. I would rather take the courses that I mentioned above and get the "full exposure" to that class, rather than a pathetic weeks worth for $10K.

If you are a student who has no backround in pre-medicine, then I would rather take the courses listed above and finish them and then apply for the first semester.

Remember, Ross is here to make money, Devry is traded on the NYC. That means each quarter they have to show the numbers, otherwise Wall Street hates them.

[tekky]

Almost every US medical school I have seen requires a year of physics. I believe this is a requirement for licensure in some states as well.

If the premed program gives you undergraduate credit, then it makes sense for Ross to teach physics along with other premed required courses.
my 2 cents...

[MitchDC]

I find it interesting that you make an entire post on the MedPrep semester and yet you aren't in it. I guess your "friends" weren't as excited about posting as you.

Anyways, you are free to your opinion, however I have recently spoken with a number of MedPrep students and several past students of the program and they have been quite happy. They are very thankful for the opportunity and believe they are really getting "prepped" for medical school.

So, I'm not trying to minimize your friends feelings, but people need to understand that their opinion isn't as common as you suggest.

By the way, students are offered the MedPrep to help them prepare for med school. The admissions committee has decided that they are not quite ready for medical school and offer them an alternative an assured way to get accepted to medical school if you pass the MedPrep semester. Because of this preparation, I hear that the MedPrep students do quite well in their future semesters.

By the way - When my class was going through Cardiac Physiology we hit a block because some students didn't remember their physics well enough to learn to read ECGs. We ended up having to slow WAY down to review physics before we continued.

MitchDC

[babydaddy75]

Ok I am sick of studying for step 1 so I came here to see how life on the island is going. It is ammusing how these forums are almost IDENTICAL to the ones I read 2years ago when I was getting ready for Ross. Ahhhh the irony. Anyway I just wanted to ask MitchDC what in the world physics had to do with reading and ecg? Does he HONESTLY use electrical principles of physics when he is reading the rhythm strips on the mini? I don't think so. I know small and somewhat meaningless point but like I said I am tired of studying and this really got me when I read it. I lauged a good full minute. Ok bye now

[pablo]

I think my opinion of medprep is similar to my opinion on Ross holding our grades until we fill out a survey...it is blackmale! There are just saying you can come here and fulfill your dream of being a dr., but first you must complete this. I agree more with the other posts than mitchdc..you would be better of taking classes at home at a community college than spending all the money to move over here for medprep. I see these medprep students being thrown into various semesters classes to watch..if they don't have enough of a background to accept them in first semester how is throwing then in a upper semester class in the middle of the semester going to help them with anything. Don't get me wrong, I think this is a brilliant business decision by Ross..they realize that some people are willing to do anything to fullfill their dream.

I know what mitchdc is trying to say about ekg..and he really means fector analysis..I still don't think knowing where to trains will meet if one leaves from point a and the other from point b will help with this! The class did slow down but the class slowed down whenever Dr. ***** taught b/c he insists the entire class must uderstand everything before he can move on..mitch it would not hurt you to stop kissing ross's but all the time..dean wagner speaks more truth on here then you I think.

[futrphysician]

a few of you who like to complain could use a prep course in spelling and English.

e.g. Blackmail and not blackmale, nor waste and not waist.

One is what you do to get someone whom you have "something on" (pics, money, et al), the other is a man with melanin in his skin color.

The other is garbage, excessive amounts of things not needed, while waist, is...well look around your belt line.

You see, your argument loses intensity when you carry a 5th grade spelling education and you feign like you deserve to be a doctor.

Physics is a course in understanding how things work. You'll learn about volume expansion in that course and GChem. It will apply to lungs and such.

Hope this helps. Take physics anyway...its a fun course.

[obadya00]

:shock:
i have heard a lot of crazy things on the forum over the last few months
but criticizing someone about their spelling is just over the top ridiculous.
this forum is one step up from a chat room. it is not a debate course or a literature course. ease up a bit

[medNoir]

Simple spelling errors are ok.
But changing the meaning of a word and altering the tone of the message is bad. Seeing "blackmale" irked me and I was going to point that out but someone beat me to it.

No, this is not a debate course or a literature course. If it was, we'd be held to an even higher standard. This is not a private one on one conversation like a chat room either. It's in between. It's a public forum.

That said, I make braintypos all the time. Think one word, but after the third letter my reflexes take over and a more frequent word that starts the same slips out.

Read what you wrote before you hit the SUBMIT button.
If you don't have time to proofread, how did you find the time to write it ?

[tRmedic21]

Why is it that we haven't seen anything on this topic from those actually IN the program in question? They would be the ones who are most able to accurately verify whther the program were worth the time/money or not, wouldn't they? Or perhaps people who have used it and are now in actual medical school? Not "my friend" or e-mails or what-have-you, but actual participants.

That's why we all come to these forums to begin with, to get info on foreign medical schools directly from the horses' mouths.

Just my $.02

[oc23]

Honestly, people, if you want to be taken seriously, at least learn to write better! Half the time, I don't even remember these people's point...I just remember they whine a lot and they can't differentiate between their homonyms. A typo is one thing, but repeatedly typing "waist" in place of "waste" is a whole other story.

[medprepper2003]

rosstudent, I am quite facinated by your post. You claim that you are not in medprep, yet you seem to have stronger feelings than those of us in medprep. I also find it interesting that your post bashing the medprep program was posted on Friday at 7:29 PM, just hours after we learned the results from our first mini. Could it be that you are actually a medprep student who did not pass the first mini?

In response to everything else you said, taking science courses at a community college will not gaurentee admission to med school in just 4 months. Just the fact that I am here, living in Dominca now gives me a huge advantage over the students who will be here for the first time in September.

You are right, physics is not that important in medicine, but all of the premed courses are reviewed in medprep. The physics component of the course is without question the weakest aspect of the course, but has more to do with Dr. Vogel, than it does with Ross as a whole. A review of the premed coureses, esspecially chemistry will be helpful next semester in biochemistry.

To pablo: How is medprep blackmail? No one from Ross forced me to come here and enter medprep. I did have other options, but chose to enter medprep so I could study medicine at Ross. How is someone being offered a seat in medprep in order to gain full admission to to the med school blackmail? Quite frankly, I am tired of people coming on internet forums such as this and claiming that there is blackmail, scandal, and fraud here at Ross. I have encounted none of those things here. I am also tired of people accusing mitch of working for Ross. While I don't always agree with him, and while some of the information he posts (mainly about medprep) are not entirely correct, ALL of his posts are posted with the intention of providing accurate information. Mitch does not work for Ross, that I know for a fact, but the picture he paints of Ross is MUCH more accurate than the picture painted by those who are constanly bashing Ross. If you are here at Ross and unhappy, there is a daily American Eagle flight back to San Juan. If you are unhappy at Ross, there are also other med schools in the US and in the Carribean.

[tRmedic21]

Glad to see someone from the program post here, you have made your point excellently. Thank you for helping out those looking for information!

My feeling is that it isn't too much different from some of the Stateside schools... don't they sometimes offer admission into a graduate program, say an MPh degree, with guarantee of later admission into med school if you perform satisfactorily (sp?)?

Good luck to you in your medical studies! :D

[newB]

I am in the medprep program and a lot of people have missed the point on physics... Physics is a pre-med req and should be known before coming here. The purpose of the medprep physics, which there were no lectures, was to see if you can teach your self concepts... If you can't read a book and understand basic concepts, then how are you supposed to understand biochemistry... The purpose of medprep is to see if you have the study skills necessary to be a medical student.

[anencephalic]

The purpose of medprep is to see if you have the study skills necessary to be a medical student.

From what I gather, med school (whether it's at Ross or elsewhere) is largely independant study and self-motivation. If MedPrep provides a prospective student with an accurate, honest assesment of his/her aptitude for being successful in an MD program, then it has accomplished its goals.

Aloha,

[Nasir]

When i was at Ross univ, there were like around 7 or more students at Ross univ. They were accepted directly from high school. They were between 16 to 17 years old, they could not speak english at all and they were accepted directly into the first semester. I got to know those students because one of my classmate told me about their horrible story, so i went to visit them. they were around 7 living in a very miserable situation thinking that the school is an American school(i still know their landlord in Porthmouth and in the future i will give you his name so you can ask him in person about the Bangladeshi students), they were starving to death could not understand the lecture and they were unable to contact their family in Bangladesh one of the poorest country on earth(imagine your family sell their house to send you to study medicine). Ihave some documentations to support my story. The story of theBangladeshi students realy moved me so i researched their issue very well, and i was able to get a copy of their complaint, and a newspaper a rticle about them, so about the medprep i strongly believe that Ross univ. started to offer this program after my allegation against them, and also to make more money, and for other reason i won't be able to share with you at this moment, just remember that Med prep and a lot of other new stuff Ross univ. introduced(eg. fifth semester) was initialy introduced mainly for the benifit of Ross because of a lawsuit or an entity forced Ross to do that move i can not tell you about this entity at this time but just wait and see what i'm gonna share with you thanks and good luck to every one oput there and you will hear from me soon. peace

[Nasir]

When i was at Ross univ, there were like around 7 or more students at Ross univ. They were accepted directly from high school. They were between 16 to 17 years old, they could not speak english at all and they were accepted directly into the first semester. I got to know those students because one of my classmate told me about their horrible story, so i went to visit them. they were around 7 living in a very miserable situation thinking that the school is an American school(i still know their landlord in Porthmouth and in the future i will give you his name so you can ask him in person about the Bangladeshi students), they were starving to death could not understand the lecture and they were unable to contact their family in Bangladesh one of the poorest country on earth(imagine your family sell their house to send you to study medicine). Ihave some documentations to support my story. The story of theBangladeshi students realy moved me so i researched their issue very well, and i was able to get a copy of their complaint, and a newspaper a rticle about them, so about the medprep i strongly believe that Ross univ. started to offer this program after my allegation against them, and also to make more money, and for other reason i won't be able to share with you at this moment, just remember that Med prep and a lot of other new stuff Ross univ. introduced(eg. fifth semester) was initialy introduced mainly for the benifit of Ross because of a lawsuit or an entity forced Ross to do that move i can not tell you about this entity at this time but just wait and see what i'm gonna share with you thanks and good luck to every one oput there and you will hear from me soon. peace

[medprepper2003]

Great story!!!! Medprep and the fifth semster program are due some some lawsuits stemming from some unfortuante Bangledeshi students. And on top of all of that, you cannot give any details at this time!?!?!?! If I were to ask why you cannot give details right now, the answer would probably be, "If i told you, I would have to kill you." Right?

From your post, which I don't believe, at least not entirely, it sound as if the students from Bangledesh should not have come here in the first place. If they were just out of high school, and did not speak English, it is aparent that they lacked not only the scientific background (i.e. basic biology and chemistry), but also the language skills.

What was the basis of their lawsuit? If they were at what they thought was an American Univeristy, surely they knew classes here would be conducted in English and not the native language of Bangledesh. Most importantly, what does this have to do with medprep?

Medprep is not and ESL course. Yes, there is English, but it is more of a review of English compositon. The sceicne courses (except physics)are taught with the understanding that all of the premedical courses were taken. What is the point of your argument? If Ross was sued for taking in Bangledeshi students who did not speak English, it would seem logical for Ross to simply not recruit applciants who cannon speak English.

I seriously doubt that you have enough clout over the Ross administration for them to create new programs based on allegations you made against them. Every student here who is not doing well has alligations against Ross. We have all heard the student who is failing 2 courses say something like, "Ross fails people just so they can make more money."

Your claim that some unfortuante Bangeldeshi students are the reason for medprep is completely without basis. Based on your other posts, it is apparent that you are not happy with Ross. That is fine; no one here forces you to be happy, but posting unsubstantiated claims on the internet is a good way to give Ross a basis to sue you.

[preppystud]

So how did medprep get all started? Since when? Tell me something about the history of this program. :roll:

[Nasir]

Ross university accepted students who did not have the prerequisits science courses (and english language). Ross recruited international students directly from high school the majority of the students couldn't make it through the first semester, those who made it(like2) were practicing in Dominica. Mr. med prepper2003 i agree with you when you stated that " Bangladeshi should not have come here in the first place. If they were just out of high school, and did not speak english. Good observation!!!! Ross univ. just did that accepted many students just for the money, when ross realized the risk of losing funds from the department of education the school committed fraud and conspiracy inorder to continue receiveing federal funds

[tekky]

I do not see a problem actually.

Wow, two students who couldn't even speak english realized their dream to become doctors! I'm sure they thank Ross for the chance.

One cannot put fault on the university for providing opportunity to lower qualified applicants. It is the applicant's choice to decide if they want to attempt this chance or not.

I would argue in a utopian world with unlimited resources, everyone should be accepted and that people who have the DESIRE and ABILITY will be able to realize their dream.

[preppystud]

when ross realized the risk of losing funds from the department of education the school committed fraud and conspiracy inorder to continue receiveing federal funds

well, do you have evidence to prove that ross did the above? And on other hand, it is good that ross still has funds from de, otherwise, many of us won't be able to afford the expensive tuition.

So when did medprep start?