Any Spartan students transferring to your new branch in UK

[azskeptic]

Word on the street in London is that London School of Medicine is now claiming an affiliation with Spartan and using its charter. Graduates will be given a diploma from this school, which is apparently distance learning, It was affiliated with IUHS before I think. Wonder what this will do to the value of Spartan Medical degrees; state boards will have to figure out if you went to Spartan on the island or through the UK internet/distance learning school.

[anencephalic]

Either way, it can't be good for Spartan.

Aloha,

[azskeptic]

Word on the street in London is that London School of Medicine is now claiming an affiliation with Spartan and using its charter. Graduates will be given a diploma from this school, which is apparently distance learning, It was affiliated with IUHS before I think. Wonder what this will do to the value of Spartan Medical degrees; state boards will have to figure out if you went to Spartan on the island or through the UK internet/distance learning school.

Actually the website shows that the school is affiliated with College of Medicine at St. Lucia, the school run by Dr. **********. But others think it is now Spartan. Anyone in Spartan able to comment officially on the rumor?

[teratos]

Won't be good for schools in England. If everyone starts opening campuses there it will bring quite a bit of attention to the fact that med schools keep opening campuses there. G

[ASIANDOC]

Alleging that spartan provides distance education is a serious allegations ,I hope you guys have prove of that otherwise it might cause significant harm to the school and alumni if turned to be untrue and I think it will be unfair attacks.

[currentstudent]

The allegation that azskeptic brought forth is false. I see that he corrected himself saying that the Medical College of St.Lucia has an "affliation" with London Medical College. I contacted Spartan's office in New Mexico earlier this afternoon and they were as surprised as me regarding the rumor. I also contacted the Medical College of St.Lucia's head office in Bute, Montana and they informed me of their affliation with London Medical College. Medical College of St.Lucia is a VERY SMALL internet school operating out of Castries, St.Lucia and has about 6 students from what I am told. IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM ARE MEDICAL COLLEGE OF ST.LUCIA/LONDON COLLEGE OF MEDICINE AND SPARTAN HEALTH SCIENCES UNIVERSITY CONNECTED.

[shockandawe]

I can garantee you this and that is that Spartan has nothing to do with any distance learning, 100%, no doubt about it. Az, you are spreading a very bad rumor, shame on you!!!!! Please provide concrete evidence before you post in this forum.

How do I know this to be true? Dudes, there isn't one single school in the carib that is as serious and hard-core about attendance than Spartan. Anyone that goes to Spartan can tell you that teachers take attendance every single day at Spartan and if you do not have 80% attendance or better, you will NOT pass your course, even if you got a 100% on every single exam. They follow this policy to the letter!!!

For you Az, to make up this rumor, is totally unfair. It is unfair to the school and to the stduents who are always present to most of their classes. This policy was put into place after a very bad incident in the 80's when the school was starting and a student didn't show up to classes but presented only to the tests. Medical students throughout the USA and abroad commonly skip many classes and sometimes all their classes, save for their tests.

What you are doing Az, in this regard is very unfair. First, you have Spartan listed in your "internet school website", and then you start this completely false rumor. All I can say is, shame on you... Really, you've got to learn more and be more fair, give credit where credit is due. -s&a

[azskeptic]

I can garantee you this and that is that Spartan has nothing to do with any distance learning, 100%, no doubt about it. Az, you are spreading a very bad rumor, shame on you!!!!! Please provide concrete evidence before you post in this forum.

How do I know this to be true? Dudes, there isn't one single school in the carib that is as serious and hard-core about attendance than Spartan. Anyone that goes to Spartan can tell you that teachers take attendance every single day at Spartan and if you do not have 80% attendance or better, you will NOT pass your course, even if you got a 100% on every single exam. They follow this policy to the letter!!!

For you Az, to make up this rumor, is totally unfair. It is unfair to the school and to the stduents who are always present to most of their classes. This policy was put into place after a very bad incident in the 80's when the school was starting and a student didn't show up to classes but presented only to the tests. Medical students throughout the USA and abroad commonly skip many classes and sometimes all their classes, save for their tests.

What you are doing Az, in this regard is very unfair. First, you have Spartan listed in your "internet school website", and then you start this completely false rumor. All I can say is, shame on you... Really, you've got to learn more and be more fair, give credit where credit is due. -s&a I only reported what someone told me and I asked the question. However, I have asked them to confirm what they told me. Sounds like they had Spartan confused with College of St. Lucia.

[shockandawe]

Spartan just got an affiliation with Harvard medical school and now we will be doing all our medical training 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th years at the Harvard campus with Harvard students in Cambridge, MA. We are all moving to Harvard.

Oh yeah, this is what someone told me.. Probably **.. Who knows...

Az, when I type "internet medical schools" on the internet on yahoo. I see Spartan in one of the sites. That is your site. But it is not an internet medical school. In fact, it has the strictest attendance policy of all the international schools, including USA schools. It is offensive to me and to all Spartan students and grads that someone would include it in an "internet medical school site", regardless of what you write about it. -s&a

[azskeptic]

Spartan just got an affiliation with Harvard medical school and now we will be doing all our medical training 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th years at the Harvard campus with Harvard students in Cambridge, MA. We are all moving to Harvard.

Oh yeah, this is what someone told me.. Probably **.. Who knows...

Az, when I type "internet medical schools" on the internet on yahoo. I see Spartan in one of the sites. That is your site. But it is not an internet medical school. In fact, it has the strictest attendance policy of all the international schools, including USA schools. It is offensive to me and to all Spartan students and grads that someone would include it in an "internet medical school site", regardless of what you write about it. -s&a

actually note carefully the title of my webpage and also how I state my concern about the article on Spartan

http://www.internetmedicalschool.homestead.com/

[currentstudent]

I agree with s&a! It does offend me that azskeptic has listed Spartan on his internet med schools website. Spartan has a VERY STRICT attendence policy!!! IF ANYONE KNOWS THAT IT IS ME-----TRUST ME!!!----When I was in my fourth trimester, I had missed a bit over 20% of classes for two courses. I am an "A" student. THEY DIDNT CARE ABOUT THAT. WHILE ALL MY CLASSMATES LEFT THE ISLAND FOR GOOD I WAS MADE TO STAY BACK (and endure the wrath of hurricant Ivan) TO MAKE UP HOURS FOR THOSE CLASSES. Spartan made me stay on the island for 6 days extra just for attendence purposes! They could have just excused me and said to hell with it your finished fouth trimester GO HOME but NOOOO they made me stay that 6 days that I missed mid trimester! Spartan IS NOT an internet medical school NOR WOULD IT EVER be affiliated with one! Azskeptic, I would appreciate if you removed Spartan from your internet medical school website. Thanks.

[shockandawe]

You only show the negative article which shows Spartan in a bad light. Why don't you also have the article of when the Prime Minister of St. Lucia came to Spartan and praised the school, not to mention, he shows the other side of the story, that Spartan is in fact, approved in St. Lucia, unlike what the false Courant article tried to insinuate. You should have both sides of the story and you should be more fair to us, students and grads. -s&a

[currentstudent]

s&a has gotcha on that one azskeptic-----I agree with him on the matter!

[shockandawe]

I agree with s&a! It does offend me that azskeptic has listed Spartan on his internet med schools website. Spartan has a VERY STRICT attendence policy!!! IF ANYONE KNOWS THAT IT IS ME-----TRUST ME!!!----When I was in my fourth trimester, I had missed a bit over 20% of classes for two courses. I am an "A" student. THEY DIDNT CARE ABOUT THAT. WHILE ALL MY CLASSMATES LEFT THE ISLAND FOR GOOD I WAS MADE TO STAY BACK (and endure the wrath of hurricant Ivan) TO MAKE UP HOURS FOR THOSE CLASSES. Spartan made me stay on the island for 6 days extra just for attendence purposes! They could have just excused me and said to hell with it your finished fouth trimester GO HOME but NOOOO they made me stay that 6 days that I missed mid trimester! Spartan IS NOT an internet medical school NOR WOULD IT EVER be affiliated with one! Azskeptic, I would appreciate if you removed Spartan from your internet medical school website. Thanks.

I can feel your pain, many of us, had similiar situations. We have had to go to more classes than most medical students around the world because of this policy and I could not appreciate it at the time. Although, now, I do appreciate it because we know were there, we did our time. Then someone who knows nothign about us, comes and lists us in an internet medical school website. Could you be more unfair, azskeptic??? -s&a

[azskeptic]

s&a has gotcha on that one azskeptic-----I agree with him on the matter!

somebody put the articles up and I'll show a link to them.

[ASIANDOC]

People must be careful when reporting huge allegations that might be destructive and claim it on "someone told me" ,simply people can't say x hospital kills people and that hospital reputation gets ruined that the author will say "someone told me" , that is unacceptable and unethical form of behavior.one must hard evidence before spreading rumors.

[shockandawe]

This is the article Az.



(copied from St. Lucia Star Online - June 4, 2004)

PM hails Spartan University’s “silent achievements”


On Wednesday Prime Minister Dr Kenny Anthony addressed the inaugural ceremony of the new annex of the Vieux-Fort-based Spartan Health Science University and hailed what he says are the 18-year-old institution’s several silent achievements.
The offshore American medical school has been operating here since 1980.
In his address, the prime minister noted that while there were concerns expressed at the beginning about the venture and while there still exists a notion that a university must be a sprawling complex, the reality was that in its 18 years Spartan University has not altered its fee structure.

Dr Anthony said much of the suspicion that accompanied Spartan’s arrival here has now disappeared and in its place the university has scaled heights that few other offshore medical institutions have earned.
He noted, for example, that among its achievements Spartan can boast a Nobel Prize winner Dr Sean *********, an alumni who won a Nobel Prize in 1999 as part of a team of Doctors Without Borders who provided care to persons in need around the world.
Dr Anthony also lauded two other achievements by the Vieux Fort-based university—that one of its graduates had gone on to establish one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the US state of Florida. The second—which was closer to home—was that a St Lucian, Ayisha ******-** ***, had scored the highest marks ever in what some students consider to be a very intimidating USMLE Step One exam.
The prime minister noted, however, that notwithstanding the seeming success of Spartan, he needed “to ensure that all medical education delivered in St Lucia is delivered in accordance with the highest international standards.”

Dr Anthony said Spartan University had helped transform the southern part of the island and while he could not quantify a figure, he knew of the economic impact of the large number of students by way of their contributions to rent, purchases, hotel accommodation, employment of construction workers, infrastructure and sporting development and government revenues.
In addition, Dr Anthony called on Spartan University to do more to help its island base by not only preparing to assist in the delivery of universal health care for St Lucians in the not too distant future, but by also using its international contacts to help procure less costly medicines.
In conclusion, Dr Anthony called on the students to see themselves, not only as offshore medical students but as an integral part of the St Lucian architecture.
He said the government of St Lucia, “will continue to endeavor to provide an environment which is conducive to the pursuit of a sound medical education and allow them the opportunity to enjoy the beautiful freedoms of this land.”

[azskeptic]

This is the article Az.



(copied from St. Lucia Star Online - June 4, 2004)

PM hails Spartan University’s “silent achievements”


On Wednesday Prime Minister Dr Kenny Anthony addressed the inaugural ceremony of the new annex of the Vieux-Fort-based Spartan Health Science University and hailed what he says are the 18-year-old institution’s several silent achievements.
The offshore American medical school has been operating here since 1980.
In his address, the prime minister noted that while there were concerns expressed at the beginning about the venture and while there still exists a notion that a university must be a sprawling complex, the reality was that in its 18 years Spartan University has not altered its fee structure.

Dr Anthony said much of the suspicion that accompanied Spartan’s arrival here has now disappeared and in its place the university has scaled heights that few other offshore medical institutions have earned.
He noted, for example, that among its achievements Spartan can boast a Nobel Prize winner Dr Sean *********, an alumni who won a Nobel Prize in 1999 as part of a team of Doctors Without Borders who provided care to persons in need around the world.
Dr Anthony also lauded two other achievements by the Vieux Fort-based university—that one of its graduates had gone on to establish one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the US state of Florida. The second—which was closer to home—was that a St Lucian, Ayisha ******-** ***, had scored the highest marks ever in what some students consider to be a very intimidating USMLE Step One exam.
The prime minister noted, however, that notwithstanding the seeming success of Spartan, he needed “to ensure that all medical education delivered in St Lucia is delivered in accordance with the highest international standards.”

Dr Anthony said Spartan University had helped transform the southern part of the island and while he could not quantify a figure, he knew of the economic impact of the large number of students by way of their contributions to rent, purchases, hotel accommodation, employment of construction workers, infrastructure and sporting development and government revenues.
In addition, Dr Anthony called on Spartan University to do more to help its island base by not only preparing to assist in the delivery of universal health care for St Lucians in the not too distant future, but by also using its international contacts to help procure less costly medicines.
In conclusion, Dr Anthony called on the students to see themselves, not only as offshore medical students but as an integral part of the St Lucian architecture.
He said the government of St Lucia, “will continue to endeavor to provide an environment which is conducive to the pursuit of a sound medical education and allow them the opportunity to enjoy the beautiful freedoms of this land.”

I put up a link to the article.

[shockandawe]

I put up a link to the article.

I would never have believed that you would ever, in a million years, do such a thing, as put up a positive article about Spartan, showing the other side of the story, in your website. I am in "shock" now. First time that has ever happened to me in this forum. -s&a

[azskeptic]

I put up a link to the article.

I would never have believed that you would ever, in a million years, do such a thing, as put up a positive article about Spartan, showing the other side of the story, in your website. I am in "shock" now. First time that has ever happened to me in this forum. -s&a

Well, I was 'shocked' myself when you started listing some of the problems of your school and admitted that Dr. S. wasn't a nobel winner. SO it works both ways.

[shockandawe]

Licensure is the most important and urgent problem at Spartan. We have all the articles about that Spartan graduate that say that he was invited by the Nobel committee. I am in agreement with all of them that he was invited for his part in Docs Without Borders. I think the most appropiate term for him is Nobel prize "invitee". Its still a great honor. The articles say that he was one of a "few" invited by the Nobel prize committee in Oslo. Now, if he wasn't invited to help pick up the prize, then someone should post concrete evidence of this... Many of us, have written to the Nobel prize committee, but no one has received or posted an official reply. Until otherwise proven wrong, I will go by what the USA journalists researched. I do not think that I would ever believe someone like Picard, because he is so stuck on this that he would write a fake letter and make up his own offical reply. However, if someone, who isn't mental ill or challenged were to post an official reply, we would have to consider it. Really, he is just one Spartan grad. There are many more and some of them are in the top in this country. The school has been around for a while and many grads do really well, because of their own determination. It is amazing how successful people can be, with the right motivation and desire. -s&a

[ASIANDOC]

I have done google search on this doctor you guys discussing,and my question is he really a spartan grad?if he is I am very impressed!
3 times resident of the year at OSU ob/gyn
MD anderson fellowship
one of only six doctors who was invited to oslo 1999 to recieve Nobel peace prize for DWB
after only 1.5 yrs at USF he became the head of gynocological oncology.
10 articles in major journals in the US
guest speaker in 5 major meetings
being called world renowned physician in Tamp...etc
numerous charity work
vice president medicine for humanity
etc..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!man
I am very impressed.

[shockandawe]

I did not know that he was one of 6 to be invited. Could you post your findings? Where did you get this information? You can PM it to me. Picard is going to have a fit. :shock: He will probably pop a berry aneurysm if he hears this news. :lol:

Seriously though, we have discussed and over-discussed this guy with a crap-load of posts in this forum. I think we need to move on. Spartan is not about just one person. -s&a

[shockandawe]

Well, I was 'shocked' myself when you started listing some of the problems of your school...

Spartan has many problems, which I mention in my posts. There are good things too, which i mention, mainly really exceptional alumni, many of whom are close friends of mine.

For us, who have completed everything, we want to see our school do better and it is very frustrating because the administration is not up to par. There are so many great things that the school does offer but these things are generally overshadowed by the incompetent administration.

Sometimes, I really feel bad for the students because they are really trying to shoot for their dreams and have a lot of crap that they have to go thru...

The absolute best thing that could ever happen to ALL off-shore schools will be if they make a national committee that can set a fair all 50 state standard for ALL international medical schools to follow. The students would benefit the most from something like this because they would know for sure where to go to school and if they will ever be able to practice in the USA. Then all the carib schools would be forced to meet that standard or be closed down. It would have to be a fair standard, which all the states would agree about... Maybe, the FSMB will come up with something. -s&a

[AUCMD2006]

s&a's recent statements are like fox news going on antipsychotics.....all better and not delusional :shock:

i agree fair standards shoudl be put in place. spartan and other students go through a lot to get through the current system and the stupid restrictions placed on them is not consistent with "life liberty and the persuits of happiness"....

[Picard]

I never said that Sean did not win the Nobel, dude..

Az, Shock posted this within the past twelve hours... I guess he is still under the delusion that Sean is a Nobel winner...

Now Shock, calling me mentally ill? Isn't that a violation of TOS?

P

[Picard]

do not think that I would ever believe someone like Picard, because he is so stuck on this that he would write a fake letter and make up his own offical reply.

Oh, you want to talk about credibility eh... How about it Shock, provide evidence for some of your claims here...

1) Where did you get that 340:1 student teacher ratio? Still no answer? You've been posting this for a while now...

2) How many U of Saddam graduates are licensed in California? Since you've been huffing and puffing about how U. of Saddam and U. of Ethiopia grads run free in California... California has 91000+ active physicians as of 1997, we'll settle for you to find 100 U of Saddam or U. of Ethiopia grads... that's less than 0.1% of licensed California MD's.

3) How about it Shock, since you think you think I'll post a fake letter from Nobel, please let us know when you contacted Nobel... Please show us the e-mail you sent to Nobel... And yes, they do respond (if you really sent the email, that is)...

4) Oh, and almost forgot -- you posted a thread about "GAGGED SPARTAN grad gets LICENSED in California" -- now, since you believed asianTSwantsMD's ** and re-broadcasted it IN BOLD LETTERS... I assume you have evidence to back this up? If not, I assume you appologized for your **? Oh, I forgot, in your conspiricy-driven mind, you wouldn't even believe official response from Califonria boards on this ** as Pat Park has stated again and again -- there are no Spartan grads licensed in California after the 1985 ban. So how about it, we will settle for either your proof or your appology on this one....

P

[mcgrady]

this so called college of medicine sucks! let me tell u all the truth about it anyway... this college used to be affliated with IUHS but their affliation ended when IUHS found out that the so called college of medicine was a one MAN show, where he(DR *****) was the admissions, registrar, finance, administration etc. the man uses a rented room to give his nonsense and bogus tutorials!!!!!!!


And u better believe me cause i reside here in london and i can tell u that my mates went to this school where he had actually robbed uk students thousands of pounds by running a school from a library in thames university in slough and they are planning to take to court...the so called 'college of medicine' has no staff or whatsoever and to say the least it's not even located in london... it's in SLOUGH... and guess wthat this fool, imbecil, scoundrel, thief dr sidhu got his degree from IUHS(another scam school) and he is not even licenced yet! he's seating is PLAB exams in the uk to register with the general medical council....i hope he doesn't get approval


I'm not trying to offend anyone in Saint Lucia, i'm just trying to tell u the truth, i know the truth hurts but that's life, kind words can be short and easy to speak but their echoes are truly endless and meaningless! AND WHO doesn't even approve your degree and u think uk authorities will! dream on!

That website is rubbish it tells prospective students that they will taught by quality staff that NEVER EXISTED!!!!!!!

stay from this scam money laundering school

[ASIANDOC]

Schools like that brings bad reputation to all schools in St Lucia[they already suffering]and the citizens of St Lucia. Its the responsibility of the government of St Lucia but again a governmemt who grant 4 permits to open med schools is not excatly worrying about their reputation.
time to inspect all St Lucian schools and shut down the poor standard ones.

[shockandawe]

Oh, you want to talk about credibility eh... How about it Shock, provide evidence for some of your claims here...

1) Where did you get that 340:1 student teacher ratio? Still no answer? You've been posting this for a while now...

2) How many U of Saddam graduates are licensed in California? Since you've been huffing and puffing about how U. of Saddam and U. of Ethiopia grads run free in California... California has 91000+ active physicians as of 1997, we'll settle for you to find 100 U of Saddam or U. of Ethiopia grads... that's less than 0.1% of licensed California MD's.

3) How about it Shock, since you think you think I'll post a fake letter from Nobel, please let us know when you contacted Nobel... Please show us the e-mail you sent to Nobel... And yes, they do respond (if you really sent the email, that is)...

4) Oh, and almost forgot -- you posted a thread about "GAGGED SPARTAN grad gets LICENSED in California" -- now, since you believed asianTSwantsMD's ** and re-broadcasted it IN BOLD LETTERS... I assume you have evidence to back this up? If not, I assume you appologized for your **? Oh, I forgot, in your conspiricy-driven mind, you wouldn't even believe official response from Califonria boards on this ** as Pat Park has stated again and again -- there are no Spartan grads licensed in California after the 1985 ban. So how about it, we will settle for either your proof or your appology on this one....

P

Who would ever guess that the person who wrote the post above is an ex-cop? -s&a

[azskeptic]

Schools like that brings bad reputation to all schools in St Lucia[they already suffering]and the citizens of St Lucia. Its the responsibility of the government of St Lucia but again a governmemt who grant 4 permits to open med schools is not excatly worrying about their reputation.
time to inspect all St Lucian schools and shut down the poor standard ones.

The case of St. Lucia is almost like Liberia; people don't believe the system due to numerous flaws in the system.