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shockandawe
03-03-2005, 11:13 AM
My fellow Spartanites, first, it was "Suspect MD's", "MD's the easy way", "Banned MD's" and now on CNN's Lou Dobbs... :oops: All I can do is shake my head. After the Courant article, Spartan thought that they could just let it go, business as usual.. :cry:

When you cannot practice in a particular state, such as CA, because of where you went to school, because the state boards think that your school is a piece of crap, whether you want to be politically correct or not, you are banned from that state. CA, IN, VT and the list keeps growing and growing... What a shame.

Its getting to the point now, where it maybe too late to get out of this hole. Things have really spun out of control. I don't even think that firing ******* would be enough. They need a complete make-over.

The best option and maybe the only option now, will be for ********* to sell the school. Sell it while he can still get something for it. Sell it to someone or some group who is wiling to invest in the school and its students.

They must:
1- Sell the school
2- Raise the tution
3- Fire *******
4- Replace most of the faculty
5- Hire researchers and start a research requirement
6- Bring in enough cadavers to make, at least, a 5 to 1 ratio
7- Rebuttal the Courant, even sue them for many of the false and misleading statements.
8- Comply with all state licensure requirements
9- Apply for state to state approvals, starting with NY, FL, CA...
10- Hire a quality assurance expert.
11- Get all USA sites and drop all this Mexico **
12- Start a 5th semester USMLE review course with professional USMLE professors.

This list, my fellow Spartanites, is the bare minimum. And even with doing all of this, much of the damage might not be recovered... for you, who are current students, you have 3 options.

Option 1- Start a revolution. You need to unite, all of you, including the 3rd and 4th years. Tell them you won't pay. Do not pay one single penny, not one single person. In this modern world, with email, you can all communicate with each other. You have the power, after all, you are the consumers, you are the ones paying and working your hearts off, to graduate and receive a degree that means nothing is not what you are in medical school for...

Option 2- Start over, from the beginning, at another institution. You cannot just "transfer" because having transfer credits from Spartan will not be respected in any of the unapproved states and soon to be unapproved states. Thus you will have to start all over again. This, actually, might be the better option.

Or your last option, you can be like ******* and just stick your head in the sand and hope this whole thing will just blow by, but I can promise you that it won't just blow by... The times have changed. ******* doesn't care about you nor about your future nor about state to state licensure, he just cares about recruiting fresh students that are willing to pay his salary. He and his staff are in this process of leading to this schools demise. They are hoping for a long slow death, just until they get old enough to retire but I wouldn't give them more than 5 years, by then maybe we will be approved in two states Hawaii and Alaska... It is only going to get tougher and tougher. We need radical change. s&a

neilc
03-03-2005, 11:21 AM
as a quote from monty python and the holy grail "run away"....

there are lots of good schools out there. cut your losses. take out a loan and start over. it seems that the degree is going to get less and less useful right in front of your eyes.

the school may need a rebuilding, and may well succeed. but, you folks have been the guinea pig for long enough. let somebody else suffer through the rebuild, and you go get a valid MD that will let you work in more than a handful of states. and, who knows when even that small handful will disappear?

best of luck to you all...

ASIANDOC
03-03-2005, 12:22 PM
I am following valuemd and many forums as well as state regulations for a while now,I feel that Spartan has no intentions [from their actions] to change anything or even to care about what state regulators demanding.the FSMB reviews came in response to Spartan issues[states concerns and disapproval issues],with Texas new laws,and other states already tough laws it will be difficult to be unapproved school and have easy access to US system even if you pass all boards , one of the major concerns in the US is faculty ,2 yrs after the CT article any new US faculty hired?did they get 1 cadaver per 4 students?did they build few addional classrooms?did they attempt to seek NY approvals?
I am DR grad and going with the same stress and I know its very bad for any school to close but I think in few cases it may be better for a school to vanish.
very depressing...............

shockandawe
03-03-2005, 06:50 PM
Another thing that I forgot to mention is that they will need to hire a PR person. Actually, they will need a whole PR team to get them out of this hole.

They will need to challenge and rebuttal the Courant with full force. Because that article can be used as a reference. As is the case with Lou Dobbs. If you call Lou Dobbs up and tell him that he was unfair for saying what he said about Spartan. He can reference the Courant. He can say, "Well, the Courant writers went there and they only saw one building and they wrote that Spartan grads aren't even approved to practice in their own St. Lucia." What has Spartan done about this, other than stick their heads in the sand?

PR-wise, I have never seen Spartan in such a bad situation. The times have changed. Now, with the internet, any of our employers and program directors can hit a couple of keys on the internet and find all of Spartan's deep down dirty secrets and problems.

Probably much better for this school to close down now, before we have to suffer more embarrassment. Too bad, what a shame... -s&a