Spartan makes the Lou Dobbs CNN quiz

[azskeptic]

One of the questions asked on Lou Dobbs show quiz is

9) How many U.S. states ban graduates of Spartan Health Sciences University - a one-building schoolroom on St. Lucia whose faculty have been called "grossly underqualified" by regulators - from practicing medicine?

6
13
32
50

Take the quiz at http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

[ASIANDOC]

Old boring news.........nothing new?
is Spartan still open?and do they have students,I would imagine it will be difficult to return to the US these days with all such negative publicity,did they seek anykind of approvals like NY to do something for their alumni and students?
Hope other newer schools learning from all of this and if some states giving the carribean an oppourtunity to be recognized,hurry and get it before its tooooooooooooo late

[sean]

Actually, it seemed like UAG took the brunt of the CNN piece yesterday (deserved or not). - S

[ASIANDOC]

People should remember Spartan was the easy target but they also called UAG poor school,SGU and AUC banned in one state school,Howards,and Meharry poor qualities schools,Phillipines grads [some schools] poorly prepare doctors[refer to the series],....etc, the damage is unfair to most schools and way beyond repair,some schools deserve being exposed but schools like AUC,SGU are good schools and everyone knows it.

[greendogz]

this is just shameful and embarrasing

[ASIANDOC]

As I am writing this message I am watching CNN headlines news about the doctor from UAG and the carribean schools,as always CA officials interviewed,and the consumer advocate guy also interviewed ,
LOOKS BAD,VERY BAD PR

[mindprobe]

I am very curious whether or not those reading this board honestly feel that Spartan will be in existence in the next 5-10 years. The administration is doing nothing to try to redeem the reputation of the school amidst the mounting negative publicity. Saba is younger than Spartan and has achieved NY and CA approval. It has earned its respect because the administration is aggressive. It has earned its respect because it is selective. I will have to agree (every once in a while this happens) with s&a on this one. Those of us who have had to deal with the Spartan administration in the past know what is going on there. I fear that incoming students will not have a school to graduate from if this continues.

[Kirst]

i'm pleasantly surprised that according to CNN.com, spartan is banned from only 6 states. i was entertaining guesses around a dozen at least.

[mindprobe]

Unfortunately Kirst, I think the point of CNN bringing this to the forefront is to evoke incredulity among viewers/readers about the banned states numbering a mere 6. With all of this, what you are stating may be right around the corner.

[Kirst]

Unfortunately Kirst, I think the point of CNN bringing this to the forefront is to evoke incredulity among viewers/readers about the banned states numbering a mere 6. With all of this, what you are stating may be right around the corner.

seems so, i heard florida is reviewing spartan for disapproval. this is a sad, sad state of affairs though well deserved.

[ahsan]

Spartan is not banned in the states we are talking about. it is just not approved for some reason or eligibility criteria spartan could'nt fullfill.
The term banned is wrong. No state body can ban any institution unless for a gross ineligibility or misconduct or fraud.
Cal approval committee's finding is 20 years old and the way CNN has put it raises doubts about the credibility of the report itself. Who knows with what ethics and credible source CNN has carried that story, I think all Spartanites should call or send an email to Lou Dobbs clarify this.
The Admin should initiate this efforts at the earliest possible.
Ahsan

[ASIANDOC]

just curious,if your school keep losing state after the other and the chances of returning to the states harder,why are students keep going to carribean schools especially the multi-states unapproved ones?is there any administration watching all of this and what are they saying?If the rumor here turns to be true of possible losing FL then CA,FL,NY and texas are the biggest most open to IMG,nothing left except Illinois.
The administration at my school[DR] and your school has obligations to prepare and seek recognition,but I truly believe its too little too late.

[ahsan]

Hi AsianDoc,

This is not the gain and loss Scenario from state to state for any particular School. What all comes into debate is the ever changing regulations of states here in the US. If you had a chance of taking a look at the State Licensing Boards information on this forum you will have a clear idea of what is what.

To my understanding no state bans any school, it is just the game of fulfilling the requirement to be eligible to get approved.Every State has its own set of rules which clearly defines their requirement and eligibility criteria.

I totally agree that the School admins should make it their immediate priority that their reputation should not be at stake and inorder to attract more and more American students they should improve their track.

Please send an email to Lou Dobbs about this.

[Kirst]

Hi AsianDoc,

This is not the gain and loss Scenario from state to state for any particular School. What all comes into debate is the ever changing regulations of states here in the US. If you had a chance of taking a look at the State Licensing Boards information on this forum you will have a clear idea of what is what.

To my understanding no state bans any school, it is just the game of fulfilling the requirement to be eligible to get approved.Every State has its own set of rules which clearly defines their requirement and eligibility criteria.

I totally agree that the School admins should make it their immediate priority that their reputation should not be at stake and inorder to attract more and more American students they should improve their track.

Please send an email to Lou Dobbs about this.

I think sending an email to Lou Dobbs would technically fall under the administration's job description if they ever had one actually.

[Kirst]

Sure the term "ban" is politically incorrect, but since it is true to the core that Spartan is "disapproved" in at least 6 states, isn't that as good as being politely banned as far as licensure, residency, and clinical rotation privileges are concerned?

I'm just crossing my fingers that between the time 50th state "disapproves" spartan and now, I'll have graduated and make it in for licensure somewhere in the US.

Keep on hoping~!

[shockandawe]

The next question that Lou Dobbs show quiz should ask:

How many U.S. states ban graduates of Saddam University - a chicken farm run out of Bagdad, whose faculty have been called "grossly underqualified" by everyone on the planet - from practicing anything even close to being called medicine?

a) 44 states

b) 30 states

c) 22 states

d) 6 states

e) 0 states

Correct answer e. In fact, they have all 50 state approval, including Arnold's beloved California. Saddam would be proud. -s&a

[teratos]

I do agree that it is absurd. Maybe Usama Bin Laden would like to open a school too. I bet it could get approval. While I do agree with standards for med schools, I think they should be logical and well thought out. Not biased toward a certain group, which they are. G

[azskeptic]

The next question that Lou Dobbs show quiz should ask:

How many U.S. states ban graduates of Saddam University - a chicken farm run out of Bagdad, whose faculty have been called "grossly underqualified" by everyone on the planet - from practicing anything even close to being called medicine?

a) 44 states

b) 30 states

c) 22 states

d) 6 states

e) 0 states

Correct answer e. In fact, they have all 50 state approval, including Arnold's beloved California. Saddam would be proud. -s&a

We ban all eggs from Iraq (a friend of mine works with the Iraqi egg industry) so I suppose it is only appropriate we allow something from them into the US like MD's and gold deposits.

[ASIANDOC]

Saddam,Quddafi,Assad,Khomaini,Putin,all like to thank the United states generosity for automatically approving their top notch state -of -the- art medical schools with all US certified teachers
The CT article raised concerns,and unless Carribean alumni raise their own concerns being isolated and targeted nothing will be changed except for the worst.I truly hope some [hopefully all]the non serious schools closes down for the sake of hard working innocent alumni[I know its bad for a school to close,but its very bad now much worse],I have a feeling soon will be on local channels headlines stating"do we have doctors from banned schools in our city,eyewitness news learned bla bla bla....comming soon to your channels,prepare your dark sunglasses]...........the damage way beyond repair,I hope I am wrong because I will be a victim.

[wolfvgang22]

I think that only Iraqi oil is okay for import to the U.S. Everything else should be banned. We can export everything, especially McDonalds and Fox TV. :wink:

[teratos]

there is a physician shortage looming. The AMA had recently recognized it. There is an article in the Relaxing Lounge about it, just posted today. US schools can never increase their capacity enough to meet the demand. Docs will have to come from somewhere. I think the citizenry in general will be more receptive to US citizens who speak good english trained abroad rather than "foreigners" coming from other countries to practice. Never had a patient who seemed to care about where I went to school. G

[azskeptic]

there is a physician shortage looming. The AMA had recently recognized it. There is an article in the Relaxing Lounge about it, just posted today. US schools can never increase their capacity enough to meet the demand. Docs will have to come from somewhere. I think the citizenry in general will be more receptive to US citizens who speak good english trained abroad rather than "foreigners" coming from other countries to practice. Never had a patient who seemed to care about where I went to school. G

Reminds me of a story. In the 1970's Nebraska went to Los Angeles to the refugee camp of Vietnamese doctors that came out with the boat people. They selected 40 of them and put them into an intense 1 year program at Creighton. One of them was in the next town over from our egg company. We resettled 50 vietnamese refugees into our town of 1000...I became the "Mayor" of their village to help them until they got on their feet. When someone got sick I would take them over to see the Dr who originally was from Saigon. Turns out he was in charge of all of the Health Programs for the govt before the fall of Vietnam. Anyway, he would take them into his office and when they came out they always seemed quiet. Later I found out he was screaming at them because "How dare you get sick...these Americans are taking care of you...be well"...he also had a weird idea that cortisone was the magic elixir and our little town pharmacy per capita sold more cortisone than any other pharmacy in Nebraska...he was prescribing it for colds,headaches,you name it..they finally screamed at him to stop. When he got his citizenship he flew to Paris where mysteriously he became wealthy when he visited his spirited out gold stash and moved to Los Angeles and bought a Million dollar house, when a million was something, and lived happily ever after. The rest of my refugees did ok also; the ended up wealthy investing their money in fishing boats in Texas,etc. but they wouldn't go to Vietnamese doctors; our local guy scared even them. Sometimes it is better to have a shortage.

[teratos]

Which is why Caribbean schools should be a good, reliable source of docs. Those approved in CA meet the same standards that US schools do. (more or less). Caribbean schools are focused on getting people back to the US, so they strive to have a US cirriculum, and most people do their clinicals in the US. In most cases there is a US equivalent education. I only did 2 years of book work out of the country, and all the rest in the US. How does that make me much different from someone who trained in the US ? G

[shockandawe]

Which is why Caribbean schools should be a good, reliable source of docs. Those approved in CA meet the same standards that US schools do. (more or less). Caribbean schools are focused on getting people back to the US, so they strive to have a US cirriculum, and most people do their clinicals in the US. In most cases there is a US equivalent education. I only did 2 years of book work out of the country, and all the rest in the US. How does that make me much different from someone who trained in the US ? G


In my opinion, Teratos, you are much more different than any of the USA grads.

You left your country, your family, your American life and all the security that comes with it and flew to some little island in the middle of the caribbean sea, took a great chance to acheive your dream of being a physician, against all odds, passed your boards, worked your way thru all the clinicals and all the discrimination that comes with being an IMG. Still focusing on your dream, completing residency and now you are a licensed physician, who can really appreciate where you have been and what you have gone thru.... What you and many others in this forum have done is much more impressive to me than some spoonfed USA grad.

Azkeptic, whether you know it or not, whether you want to admit it or not, some of the best physicians out there today are from the caribbean and other countries around the world. Do you know Az, what we have been thru to be where we are today, do you have any idea of how hard we had to work????? -s&a

[azskeptic]

Which is why Caribbean schools should be a good, reliable source of docs. Those approved in CA meet the same standards that US schools do. (more or less). Caribbean schools are focused on getting people back to the US, so they strive to have a US cirriculum, and most people do their clinicals in the US. In most cases there is a US equivalent education. I only did 2 years of book work out of the country, and all the rest in the US. How does that make me much different from someone who trained in the US ? G


In my opinion, Teratos, you are much more different than any of the USA grads.

You left your country, your family, your American life and all the security that comes with it and flew to some little island in the middle of the caribbean sea, took a great chance to acheive your dream of being a physician, against all odds, passed your boards, worked your way thru all the clinicals and all the discrimination that comes with being an IMG. Still focusing on your dream, completing residency and now you are a licensed physician, who can really appreciate where you have been and what you have gone thru.... What you and many others in this forum have done is much more impressive to me than some spoonfed USA grad.

Azkeptic, whether you know it or not, whether you want to admit it or not, some of the best physicians out there today are from the caribbean and other countries around the world. Do you know Az, what we have been thru to be where we are today, do you have any idea of how hard we had to work????? -s&a I admire the work that physicians go through to get educated and folks going outside the US have to jump through hoops.

[teratos]

In my opinion, Teratos, you are much more different than any of the USA grads.

You left your country, your family, your American life and all the security that comes with it and flew to some little island in the middle of the caribbean sea, took a great chance to acheive your dream of being a physician, against all odds, passed your boards, worked your way thru all the clinicals and all the discrimination that comes with being an IMG. Still focusing on your dream, completing residency and now you are a licensed physician, who can really appreciate where you have been and what you have gone thru.... What you and many others in this forum have done is much more impressive to me than some spoonfed USA grad.


But, I'm sure you would agree, that it really doesn't seem that bad. I am doing exactly what I have always wanted to do, and I love my job. Ignore the negative, look at the positive. I do appreciate where I am, and what got me here. That is exactly why I spend my time posting on the forum. G

[ASIANDOC]

In the past we did look at the positives and ignored the negatives but now the negatives became so huge its entering our bedrooms and offices thru CNN and others.I believe we will have very minor changes in state laws soon but such change will effect the majority of non approved schools ,this change will say:

IMG applicants:
the applicant must be in good standing[already in place]
the school must be in good standing in the US[it means clear in 50 states]/Texas started this and many will follow,if this happen or implemented by the FSMB[just assuming] then only 4 schools will stay around in our graet carribean era and such beautiful islands will focus again on tourism.

[teratos]

I think as Caribbean grads become more relied upon as a source of physicicans, then there will be more scrutiny on the schools themselves. Some pobably won't survive. They should all prepare now. G

[azskeptic]

I think as Caribbean grads become more relied upon as a source of physicicans, then there will be more scrutiny on the schools themselves. Some pobably won't survive. They should all prepare now. G

Its not only the Carib schools that must adapt. Any non-govt run school that wants to send grads into the US system must think that a change is in the works. It is a business situation; those who adapt and meet the standards will thrive and those who don't will fall by the wayside.

[ASIANDOC]

The problem is not too many people aware of the true picture in international medical education,I keep hearing Government run schools are ok, and look only at the private/for profits schools,I can assure you that the worst schools worldwide are government run that are under budget and hiring cheap faculty,outside the carribeans the private for profits schools are the elite well staffed schools with nice facilities but as usual the government institutions always complaining about underbudget.
I know few people who went to Eastern Europeans gov schools,they just killed time to complete the program[no attendance],and they said in order to pass bring the professors jeans,malboro,or imported soft toilet papers[hot items]

[shockandawe]

Unless the Spartan students all quit or hold an all out revolution against the Spartan administration and force change, Spartan is better off closing today before they embarrass themselves, their students, their graduates and the rest of the caribbean medical school world. -s&a

[ASIANDOC]

What someone told me from Spartan they have no actual administration,one person in the US [I think in TX or AZ] reviewing applications and another on the Island running the operation,and that is it,is it true?that may expalin things .a medical school needs exectuive director,CFO,PR,2-4 deans.chairman,vice chairman,US clinical dean traveling to assist alumni in licensures,I hope also my school in the DR shuts down ,I am glad I am licensed and with law changes will not effect me,I hope shock you also licensed,you seem very caring person who knows what is going on and I hate to see many people hard work going with the wind.hope things not as bad as it look.

[shockandawe]

What someone told me from Spartan they have no actual administration,one person in the US [I think in TX or AZ] reviewing applications and another on the Island running the operation,and that is it,is it true?.

Actually, they have about 6 or so people working out of New Mexico, although they all live in El Paso, TX. ****** is the VP, the PR man, Clinical director, and basically runs the whole show. Its a lot for one person. He also is responsible for everything that goes on at Spartan. They have one guy or gal who usually helps students with the clinical sites, one financial aid person, one person who does applications and recruitment and a couple of new people that I heard are helping out.

In general, they are all over-worked and probably under-paid... Its not that they are all bad people, its just that they do not understand the seriousness of what is going on right now, especially with the state licensing boards.

Really, ********* needs to take this school more seriously and invest in making it better. The ********* family are not doing anything and they probably won't act until they are hit in their pockets and that will only happen when the students say enough is enough.

Otherwise, really, for the sake of their own students, grads, all caribbean medical schools, and humanity as we know it, they are better off closing, because they are just embarrassing themselves and everyone around them right now. The truth is that they no longer can do a half-**** job, as they have been doing for the past 25 years. The time has come where without change, they will competely lose their viability. Note, that everytime they have lost something, they have never been able to regain it (i.e. CA approval, Stafford loans, etc, etc..). They cannot afford to lose anymore. We are approaching a crucial focal point in Caribban medical school history. They will need to keep up with the best, otherwise, it will be their end... -s&a

[ASIANDOC]

I feel sorry for all the outstanding alumni from your school that was posted here,the national host who is also member of berkeley heart lab in CA,this doctor educating CA cardiologists and runs the best group,the guy from Tampa who after one year elected the head of gynocological oncology with USF,and many more seen here,it will be embarrasing if spartan get disapproved in FL for all such good people,I visit this forum & I enjoy seeing success strories but also I get upset when I see a school going down and few hundreds grads face uncertain future.

[allen7603]

What I really feel like doing is going to Spartan and telling the students there the facts and what they're getting into. Let them ask questions and tell them the truth ( that's a new concept for Spartan and *******. Then I want to see how much attendance and applications drop.

[shockandawe]

What I really feel like doing is going to Spartan and telling the students there the facts and what they're getting into. Let them ask questions and tell them the truth ( that's a new concept for Spartan and *******. Then I want to see how much attendance and applications drop.

There are going to be one of four outcomes:

1- The applications become so low that ******* is forced to act.

2- The students stage an all out revolution, take over the school and ******* must act.

3- The school gets eaten up by the state boards and closes down forever.

Lastly,

4- The school survives and continues to embarrass their alumni. -s&a

[LqdPls]

CNN is nothing more than left wing propaganda. The reason why no one dares to raise the question of medical schools in iraq and Afghanistan being approved by all 50 states, including California, is simply because such an individual would be coined a racist by some left wing wack job. Remember that California is the same state that wanted to hand out driver licenses to illegal immigrants, so there is no reason to believe that their medical education policies and criteria are not governed by similar socialist bureaucracy.

[shockandawe]

CNN is nothing more than left wing propaganda. The reason why no one dares to raise the question of medical schools in iraq and Afghanistan being approved by all 50 states, including California, is simply because such an individual would be coined a racist by some left wing wack job. Remember that California is the same state that wanted to hand out driver licenses to illegal immigrants, so there is no reason to believe that their medical education policies and criteria are not governed by similar socialist bureaucracy.

Comrad Picard loves the CA state licensing boards. Judging by his posts, he would make a great communist bureaucrat. His sarge once told him, "being a commie is good, so be a good commie." -s&a

Disclaimer: Deep thoughts brought to you by Picard and his sarge. Anyone caught reproducing these thoughts without the written permission of Picard or his sarge will be banished from the state of California and hanged.

[mindprobe]

It is senseless to infuse these arguments, which bear much merit, with biases associated with partisanism. The facts, as s&a has stated them, exist. I am glad that he sees them without rose-colored glasses now. As I said in a previous post, it would be miraculous for Spartan to be in existence in the next 5-10 years. It would not be surprising if many states ban only SPARTAN and not all Caribbean schools. Other schools are traveling the country supporting their students at licensing hearings, acquiring new clinical sites, applying for federal loans and working to get those nearly insurmountable approvals (like NY and CA). Spartan is not attempting perform any of these much needed tasks for the benefit of both its students and its own future. CNN, an internationally respected news organization, will be listened to. People in Africa get CNN. People in St. Lucia get CNN. The fact is that the news about Spartan is out there, regardless of the medium. The real key here is how the administration responds as s&a has adeptly pointed out.

[shockandawe]

It is senseless to infuse these arguments, which bear much merit, with biases associated with partisanism. The facts, as s&a has stated them, exist. I am glad that he sees them without rose-colored glasses now. As I said in a previous post, it would be miraculous for Spartan to be in existence in the next 5-10 years. It would not be surprising if many states ban only SPARTAN and not all Caribbean schools. Other schools are traveling the country supporting their students at licensing hearings, acquiring new clinical sites, applying for federal loans and working to get those nearly insurmountable approvals (like NY and CA). Spartan is not attempting perform any of these much needed tasks for the benefit of both its students and its own future. CNN, an internationally respected news organization, will be listened to. People in Africa get CNN. People in St. Lucia get CNN. The fact is that the news about Spartan is out there, regardless of the medium. The real key here is how the administration responds as s&a has adeptly pointed out.

The sad thing is that even many grads of this school would rather that it hurry up and close down and end all the pointless embarrassment. If it continues in this way, the damage may be tremendous, not that the Courant and others haven't caused enough irreversible damage.

[sean]

Hi guys,

Tone down the rhetoric!!! Personal attacks are a violation of TOS and some posts in this and other recent threads are coming very close to crossing the line. Please make note of this as a unofficial warning as official warnings will be issued if this or the other threads deteriorate.

Thanks, S

In plain english....stick to the topic of the thread and leave out the personal stuff.

[Kirst]

Hi guys,

Tone down the rhetoric!!! Personal attacks are a violation of <a href=http://www.valuemd.com/disclaimer.php>TOS</a> and some posts in this and other recent threads are coming very close to crossing the line. Please make note of this as a unofficial warning as official warnings will be issued if this or the other threads deteriorate.

Thanks, S

In plain english....stick to the topic of the thread and leave out the personal stuff.

i fail to see where the personal attacks were made or came close to. this forum, despite the fact that it harbours many rumours and deconstructive feedbacks, has been a place of healthy ventilation and discussion for many of us that are fed up to our heads with the administration.

[ASIANDOC]

I do not see any real attacks here,just very frustrated people who sees their future and hard work wasted due to their administrations lack of interest in their school.SPARTAN MUST STOP RECRUITING US CITIZENS IF THEY ARE NOT SEEKING STATE APPROVALS FOR THEM OR SUPPORTING THEM DURING TIME OF NEEDS AT STATE BOARDS HEARINGS.SPARTAN BEEN IGNORING STATE BOARDS FOR 25 YEARS,NOW ITS TIME FOR STATE BOARDS TO IGNORE THEM AND THAT IF FAIR.

[pitstar]

It is senseless to infuse these arguments, which bear much merit, with biases associated with partisanism. The facts, as s&a has stated them, exist. I am glad that he sees them without rose-colored glasses now. As I said in a previous post, it would be miraculous for Spartan to be in existence in the next 5-10 years. It would not be surprising if many states ban only SPARTAN and not all Caribbean schools. Other schools are traveling the country supporting their students at licensing hearings, acquiring new clinical sites, applying for federal loans and working to get those nearly insurmountable approvals (like NY and CA). Spartan is not attempting perform any of these much needed tasks for the benefit of both its students and its own future. CNN, an internationally respected news organization, will be listened to. People in Africa get CNN. People in St. Lucia get CNN. The fact is that the news about Spartan is out there, regardless of the medium. The real key here is how the administration responds as s&a has adeptly pointed out.

The sad thing is that even many grads of this school would rather that it hurry up and close down and end all the pointless embarrassment. If it continues in this way, the damage may be tremendous, not that the Courant and others haven't caused enough irreversible damage.

Actually the sad thing is Spartan grads are considered MDs. Look-up www.aaimg.com to know the truth. (SABA,Ross,SGU are for real...AUA maybe...rest Grace >>> Spartan). Peace

[anotherstudent]

Please make note of this as a unofficial warning as official warnings will be issued if this or the other threads deteriorate.

In plain english....stick to the topic of the thread and leave out the personal stuff.

Sean:
For someone who doesn't really add any information or much at all on the Spartan forum, you are very quick to enforce the rules. So what is that all about?

[ASIANDOC]

pitstar
AAIMG is Fraud organization,wake up its been discussed zillion times.

[LqdPls]

Pitstar check this link:

http://www.valuemd.com/ftopic31002.html&highlight=aaimg

[azskeptic]

Pitstar check this link:

http://www.valuemd.com/ftopic31002.html&highlight=aaimg

I email regularly with Dr. Thomas Moore. Whether it is a real name or not they have done a service by bringing some information up to evaluate medical schools. Indeed some of their materials need to be updated but they state that they are doing some new visits now and will write about them shortly.

Fraud needs a financial gain by someone...show us where AAIMG is making a financial gain from their website postings.

[ASIANDOC]

I challenge this org to list all their staff that does the site visits with their credentials if they are true org,what I read here they steering people towards certain schools and get paid for that,again no one heared about this fancy name org in the USA.
if you are more comfortable with "untrusted org" instead of fraud that will be ok.Until the AMA tells us to trust such evaluators I am not interested in any reports.
AZ,you seen to know how to investigate issues,why don't you get us their members,address,telephone number?

[azskeptic]

I challenge this org to list all their staff that does the site visits with their credentials if they are true org,what I read here they steering people towards certain schools and get paid for that,again no one heared about this fancy name org in the USA.
if you are more comfortable with "untrusted org" instead of fraud that will be ok.Until the AMA tells us to trust such evaluators I am not interested in any reports.
AZ,you seen to know how to investigate issues,why don't you get us their members,address,telephone number? send the challenge directly to Dr. Thomas Moore at their website's contact group. Don't think he hangs out here much. azskeptic

[ASIANDOC]

I can't make any direct contact with any medical organization until our reputable organizations in the USA like the AMA,ECFMG,FSMB,state boards recognize such inspection authorities otherwise you are giving recognitions when contacting them.
Again any org with this serious job should be able to afford to rent telephone at $4.99/month.

[azskeptic]

I can't make any direct contact with any medical organization until our reputable organizations in the USA like the AMA,ECFMG,FSMB,state boards recognize such inspection authorities otherwise you are giving recognitions when contacting them.
Again any org with this serious job should be able to afford to rent telephone at $4.99/month.

You can call their website builder in Russia and ask him:

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[teratos]

People make an issue over the fact that their website is hosted in Russia. That should not be an issue. Many US companies have their websies hosted in Russia. It is much cheaper and they do a nice job. G

[pitstar]

People make an issue over the fact that their website is hosted in Russia. That should not be an issue. Many US companies have their websies hosted in Russia. It is much cheaper and they do a nice job. G
that is not the point, any pre-meds look up www.aaimg.com (an organization that spends time to look into "credible" schools, unlike these folks without a future that chose a poor school (ulike Varna).

Please do yourself the favor (Can favour; Eur favur) and visit www.aaimg.com and you will see the truth abouth Spartan (equals Grace, look that up utp)

[Scott1981]

People make an issue over the fact that their website is hosted in Russia. That should not be an issue. Many US companies have their websies hosted in Russia. It is much cheaper and they do a nice job. G
that is not the point, any pre-meds look up www.aaimg.com (an organization that spends time to look into "credible" schools, unlike these folks without a future that chose a poor school (ulike Varna).

Please do yourself the favor (Can favour; Eur favur) and visit www.aaimg.com and you will see the truth abouth Spartan (equals Grace, look that up utp)

so which canadian medical school did you graduate from and what did you specialize in? :lol: :lol: :lol:

now back to the other pitstar who is a prospective med student........
varna=no cali=spartan.

[LqdPls]

Pitstar. Your posts are beginning to take on a sort of entertainment value. I would say they fall into the "What will Pitstar post next" category.

[ASIANDOC]

some of us carry some thing above our head called BRAIN.people with half brain would know better than getting their medical sources from big daddy or Russia[no it does not cost much to run a website in America].
If the entire state of California says we can't effort paying ourself to inspect a single school,how on earth this Rissian co can pay millions to inspect 20 schools??????????????????????????????????????????a nd who is paying for all site visits in the carribeans and clinical sites?
that is an insult to our intellegence.
by the way CA judge stated today banning guys married unconstitutional[what else new,CA know to lose challenges].

[teratos]

People make an issue over the fact that their website is hosted in Russia. That should not be an issue. Many US companies have their websies hosted in Russia. It is much cheaper and they do a nice job. G
that is not the point, any pre-meds look up www.aaimg.com (an organization that spends time to look into "credible" schools, unlike these folks without a future that chose a poor school (ulike Varna).

Please do yourself the favor (Can favour; Eur favur) and visit www.aaimg.com and you will see the truth abouth Spartan (equals Grace, look that up utp)

No, what I'm saying is that people say AAIMG is illegitimate because of the fact their site is hosted in Russia. You need to look for other reasons. That's all. ta-ta

[teratos]

some of us carry some thing above our head called BRAIN.people with half brain would know better than getting their medical sources from big daddy or Russia[no it does not cost much to run a website in America].
If the entire state of California says we can't effort paying ourself to inspect a single school,how on earth this Rissian co can pay millions to inspect 20 schools??????????????????????????????????????????a nd who is paying for all site visits in the carribeans and clinical sites?
that is an insult to our intellegence.
by the way CA judge stated today banning guys married unconstitutional[what else new,CA know to lose challenges].

You missed the entire point of my post. The guy isn't Russian. The site is hosted there, and it doesn't mean anything. If you can run your site in Russia for half price, why not?? (Economics 101). Find another reason to say AAIMG is a scam. G

[ASIANDOC]

so teratos educate slow people like myself: who they pays for the site visit?
do you know how much it cost to do as detailed inspection including clinical sites visit in the US?multilpy that by 20 schools[at least]. Don't tell me this org does it for the sake of serving humanity bla bla.
man it must have costed millions.............and how come the AMA never heared of them?
I have no problem reviewing their report if you prove they are reputable and how they finance their nobel[god bless them]mission.

[teratos]

so teratos educate slow people like myself: who they pays for the site visit?
do you know how much it cost to do as detailed inspection including clinical sites visit in the US?multilpy that by 20 schools[at least]. Don't tell me this org does it for the sake of serving humanity bla bla.
man it must have costed millions.............and how come the AMA never heared of them?
I have no problem reviewing their report if you prove they are reputable and how they finance their nobel[god bless them]mission.

That I don't know. I personally don't trust the AAIMG. I don't think it is legit. Anyone with an agenda could get that information from this very website. My only annoyance with this discussion is that people always say where AAIMG is hosted makes them illegitimate. It doesn't. People need to find better reasons. You are so quick to jump on what I said you didn't bother to try to understand it. I choose to ignore the AAIMG, I think it is useless. G

[azskeptic]

so teratos educate slow people like myself: who they pays for the site visit?
do you know how much it cost to do as detailed inspection including clinical sites visit in the US?multilpy that by 20 schools[at least]. Don't tell me this org does it for the sake of serving humanity bla bla.
man it must have costed millions.............and how come the AMA never heared of them?
I have no problem reviewing their report if you prove they are reputable and how they finance their nobel[god bless them]mission.

That I don't know. I personally don't trust the AAIMG. I don't think it is legit. Anyone with an agenda could get that information from this very website. My only annoyance with this discussion is that people always site where AAIMG is hosted makes them illegitimate. It doesn't. People need to find better reasons. You are so quick to jump on what I said you didn't bother to try to understand it. G

Really, the issue isn't AAIMG..the issue is how to find legitimate information on these schools. It is only a piece. The articles I find and the research I do are another piece but the ultimate piece will be the FSMB or other organization (no decision yet) that will make recommendations to state boards on which schools to approve. You students (not a grad like Teratos) are in effect having to 'evaluate' your own schools currently; that isn't a good place to be. As the saying goes only a fool has himself as an attorney and I suppose you could say a medical student who has himself as a medical school evaluator. You don't have the training,nor do I, to do this and yet the proper authorities haven't stepped up to the plate. There are people,myself included, trying to get the proper people doing it. One thing I feel that I've done recently is help some of the boards get to know their foreign equivalents and this helps spread information directly....if a school messes up in one jurisdiction all of the other boards know quickly.

[ASIANDOC]

one state supreme court judges[oklahoma] disagreed with you when you try to tell boards to look at "their equivalent' schools because that is unconstitutional. no school in the entire thirld world is equivalent to US med schools,none.
if you think Univ of Afganistan or univ of Alpo both imports dozens of doctors to US hospitals are equivalent to Univ of Illinois or Boston Univ,please do your home work well,
AZ,If you care that much about the consumers,try to look at all schools that import doctors to the US,and if you think people in many countries got in because they are perfect,I can tell you at least where I come from the only requirement for med school if : connections.
In Iraq you have to be Baath'st member
In Syria also member of Baath party
and so on....welcome to reality!

[AUCMD2006]

each state has a right to regulate its own proffesions according to the state constitutions!!!! that is why nail techs have to be licensed in some states and not in others, and so on

what may be unconstitutional in OK is fine in cali as has been proven time and time again. govt 101 there is a federal constitution and a state constitution and each state has a right to regulate things as they see fit so if there is such a shortage of docs they will smarten up and either build more schools to let us borderlines in or import them, either way it will work out for US citizens...

[ASIANDOC]

Yes state laws different from state to state but in general supreme court judges more or less have very close decisions in most states.
you can also challenge anything in America.Today CA courts banned guy marriage,but the judge stated its "unconstitutional"today[read it at yahoo.

http://online.ceb.com/calcases/C2/31C2d30.htm