Is Saba accredited in 50 states?

[Freeky Zeeky]

Is Saba accredited in 50 states?

[scoobz1981]

Technically: YES.

Do we actually have people licensed in all 50? I don't know the answer to that, and since we just got california 3 months ago I would say no - although you could just call Gardner office and ask them if we have licensed physicians in all 50 states. I do know that although we cant do clinicals in Texas for example, we can get licensed there!!! And that is one of the harder states - same applies to New Jersey. The only state I would question about licensure is Pennsylvania (I think its that one - I'm having a mental block right now) cause they are weird, the rest I would say yes for sure.


Val

[wolfvgang22]

Val is correct.

The word accredited probably isn't the correct word. State licensure boards do not accredit schools at all. They do approve schools for licensure. Saba is approved for licensure by some state medical licensure boards (NY and CA, to name two). Approved for licensure usually means that the state accepts your school as equivalent to their state med schools.

In other states, Saba is simply absent from the list of schools banned by the state. This makes Saba students eligible for licensure on a case by case basis in states that do not have Saba on an "approved schools" list.

I think the toughest state regarding licensure rules is Texas, and they are tough chiefly because they require all ACGME green book clincal rotations on the transcript of an MD applying for licensure. Additionally, they require both neurology and family practice clinical rotations. Third, students may not do clinicals in Texas unless enrolled at a Texas state medical school as a visiting student (this is hard to do; you may as well get admitted as a regular student, I think).

I think it is Indiana that requires that a school be in operation for 15 years before their students can be licensed?
CO is like Texas in that they have had an anti-IMG attitude in the last several years. You'll find that a few states like CO, TX, PA and some others have language in their rules making the state medical board able to reject anyone they darn well please ( until challenged in court) based on various specious (in my view) arguments. OK had such language, and it was struck down in the state supreme court. So they go back and tweak things to let in who they want and keep out the riff-raff, in the name of protecting the public. :wink: (Which they do a decent job of, just often overzealously in my view as an international med student.)

Louisiana and Maryland are two of the easier states to get licensed in, I believe IMGS can get licensed in those states with less than 3 years of residency. CA was tough, but not anymore for Saba (except you have to verify every single clinical in writing on a form for them, I believe.)

Your best bet is to go to the website of each state board that you are interested in and read their rules several times and figure out if Saba meets their criteria or not. My strategy is to attempt to meet Texas' tough licensure rules, using them as a guideline to simplify my life. This way, I will likely be eligible for licensure in most other states.

[krust3]

even hawaii? :D

[ed gee]

Kansas has the 15 year rule.

[wolfvgang22]

Thanks ed gee!

About Hawaii:
Check it out. http://www.hawaii.gov/dcca/areas/pvl/boards/medical/statute_rules/
Hawaii only requires 2 years of residency for IMGs. Looks like a pretty easy going state to me, their rules are considerably shorter than Texas'!
On the other hand, I would suspect that competition for jobs in Hawaii is fierce.

[jgilbert63]

Kansas has the 15 year rule.

I'd think Kansas' 15 year rule is no longer applicable since Saba was chartered in 1989.
http://www.saba.edu/home_history.php

http://www.ksbha.org/statutes/haact.html#2802

65-2873. License to practice healing arts by examination; prerequisites; postgraduate study; use of title and degree. (a) Each applicant for a license by examination to practice any branch of the healing arts in this state shall:
(1) Present to the board evidence of proficiency in the basic sciences issued by the national board of medical examiners, the board of examiners of osteopathic physicians and surgeons or the national board of chiropractic examiners or such other examining body as may be approved by the board or in lieu thereof pass such examination as the board may require in the basic science subjects;
(2) present proof that the applicant is a graduate of an accredited healing arts school or college; and
(3) pass an examination prescribed and conducted by the board covering the subjects incident to the practice of the branch of healing art for which the applicant applies.
(b) Any person seeking a license to practice medicine and surgery shall present proof that such person has completed acceptable postgraduate study as may be required by the board by regulations.
(c) The board may authorize an applicant who does not meet the requirements of paragraph (2) of subsection (a) to take the examination for licensure if the applicant:
(1) Has completed three years of postgraduate training as approved by the board;
(2) is a graduate of a school which has been in operation for not less than 15 years and the graduates of which have been licensed in another state or states which has standards similar to Kansas; and
(3) meets all other requirements for taking the examination for licensure of the Kansas healing arts act.
(d) In addition to the examination required under paragraph (3) of subsection (a), if the applicant is a foreign medical graduate the applicant shall pass an examination given by the educational commission for foreign medical graduates.
(e) No person licensed to practice and actively engaged in the practice of the healing arts shall attach to such person's name any title, or any word or abbreviation indicating that such person is a doctor of any branch of the healing arts other than the branch of the healing arts in which such person holds a license but shall attach to such person's name the degree or degrees to which such person is entitled by reason of such person's diploma.
History: L. 1957, ch. 343, § 73; L. 1969, ch. 299, § 16; L. 1976, ch. 273, § 34; L. 1985, ch. 216, § 2; July 1.

[gypsyfey]

i believe that alaska also has easier lisc and res rules, someone back me up please, as all of my search engines are malfunctioning tonight

[scoobz1981]

Sandy from the clinical department sent out an email about a week ago to all clinical students about doing clinical rotations in Alaska... So if anyone is interested (they have amazing heli-skiing there) then I suggest going. I am considering it myself - more so for the skiing... lol... but I am sure the hospitals in Anchorage are good too!


Val
P.S. If you want a copy of the email, just PM me

[wolfvgang22]

Sandy from the clinical department sent out an email about a week ago to all clinical students about doing clinical rotations in Alaska... So if anyone is interested (they have amazing heli-skiing there) then I suggest going. I am considering it myself - more so for the skiing... lol... but I am sure the hospitals in Anchorage are good too!


Val
P.S. If you want a copy of the email, just PM me
Say "hi" to Dr. Fleischman for me!

[ResearchingGuy]

California approval opened up New Mexico. I haven't heard any more about Kansas since we have passed the 15 year mark, but somebody may start rattling the cage. Other than that, I don't know of any other states where we are expressly disallowed from practicing. I know that there are currently problems with Indiana regarding all Caribbean grads. Texas is a perpetual mystery to me (in many ways). Colorado is notoriously difficult for FMG's, and Tennessee had some kind of hiccup last year.


I know we currently have grads in Residency in Hawaii as well as Indiana, Tennessee, Texas and Colorado (I was told). Of course, Residency does not mean you can get a license.

It seems things sort of ebb and flow, so It's best to check with the local authorities.

Best of Luck!

[DonnieMD2B]

I recently just moved from Hawaii and they are recruiting physicians like crazy! FP, IM are the largest. However getting a residency there is hard for US grads...go figure....this is per an attending i met over the internal medicine residency!

[scoobz1981]

Yes, even clincals in Hawaii are very hard to get into... they prefer Hawaii born people... thats just the way it is out there... sorry...

Val

[rdecastro]

As it happens, I received a paper application package from Saba today, and in there is a list of the states "in which SABA Graduates are permanently licensed to Practice Medicine" (sic).

There are 44 states listed, not including California, New Mexico, but including DC (which is not a state).

Here is the list:
AL AK AZ CT DE DC FL GA HI ID IL IN IA KY LA ME MD MA MI MT MO MS NB NV NH NJ NY NC OH OK OR PA RI SD TN TX UT VT VA WA WV WI

Further, it says that SABA students complete CORE clinical rotations in:

AL AZ AR CA CO CT DE DC GA HA IL IA Iowa KT LA MD MA MN MI NY NC ND OH OK SD TN TX VA WA WV WI

[wolfvgang22]

Yep, that's what my list says. I take it witha grain of salt though. It seems the Saba grads licensed in TX got their license in the 90's when Texas was less anal retentive...ahem...I mean, conservative. These days, don't do a clincal in Texas as an IMG unless you are enrolled as a visiting student in a Texas med school, or you'll never get licensed in Texas (good luck).

My point is, things change over the years in each state, so it's up to the student to stay on top of those changes. This board is one valuable resource in doing that, in conjunction with state board websites.

Right now it appears Texas is thinking about loosening up some restrictions, by doing away with requiring a neurology rotation for all prospective applicants for licensure.

[scoobz1981]

Arizona must be a typo... cause I hear we have no cores there... maybe things have changed... who knows... I wish I got that letter... LOL....


Val
P.S. I ll check my mail box when I get home

[rho]

Does any one know if Saba has any research opportunities, opportunities for continuing education. I was looking at the application for licensure requirements for Texas and if the medical school does not have these two in addition to greenbook rotations, neurology, family practice, then they have reason no to give you licensure. I think the hyperbaric medicine could count as both but not really sure on that.

[DMDturnedMD]

This one is for Wolfvgang22, Wolf, it is apparant that your knowledge of licensure in the state of texas is by far the most vast compared to anyone here in the forums. Texan are we? Im from Houston and am planning on matriculating this Sept 2005. Whats the situation regarding Licensure for FMG in Texas? Ive emailed the SBME and am waiting a reply. Please feel free to PM me at your earliest convenience as I am still in the decision process as to where I should apply for Med School. Thanks in advance... oh yeah, btw, where did you go for your undergrad?

[FatimaSA]

Which hospitals in Michigan is SABA affiliated with?

[islandhopper]

I'd think Kansas' 15 year rule is no longer applicable since Saba was chartered in 1989.
http://www.saba.edu/home_history.php

http://www.ksbha.org/statutes/haact.html#2802


(2) is a graduate of a school which has been in operation for not less than 15 years and the graduates of which have been licensed in another state or states which has standards similar to Kansas
Although this post was written sometime ago, I couldn't help but to correct this. Ed gee was correct. Saba grad is not eligible for licensure in Kansas yet because it has only been in operation for 13 years. It's not the date of charter that counts, but the date of actual operation of the school. This info was confirmed by our clinical administrator Sandy back in August.:)

[miasma]

yes this is correct. i believe kansas is the only state which is a current no no, but come 15 years in existence, kansas licensure will be no problem. but does anyone know if grads that start before the school has been around for 15 years will be granted licensure later on?

[DonnieMD2B]

I'm sorry, but I doubt Kansas really matters to most. I've been there, only for a few days and I left hoping to never go back. I want to stay on the east coast. Know of any problems with east coast states? Specifically Virginia on up north. Whats the deal with NJ? No clinicals there? Can we get licensed there? I just remember reading something about that previously.

[queenofspades11]

so there will be no problem with practicing in NY after graduating from Saba?

[calnexin]

hello. i am a med student from india looking to transfer into a carribean
med school so that i can do clinicals in the us. i am a us citizen. my question is does anyone know if Saba unv accepts transfers from india?.

thanks

[spaslam]

Did you complete the pre reqs at an American school? We had a student transfer in from Pakistan, but I think she basically had to start over. How far into med school are you there?

[wolfvgang22]

Recently a 5th semester student from Kansas told me that Saba grads can now get licensed there as the school is now old enough. Does anybody know anything about that? Or maybe we just have to wait for a Saba grad to apply and get licensed to find out?

update: yes, we can get licensed in Kansas now

[MinnesotaMed]

Does anyone know anything about Saba being accredited in Minnesota? I know some individuals have done their residencies at Mayo, which is where I am working right now. I would like to work here when I am done with medical school.

[amyames]

Recently a 5th semester student from Kansas told me that Saba grads can now get licensed there as the school is now old enough. Does anybody know anything about that? Or maybe we just have to wait for a Saba grad to apply and get licensed to find out?


yes, I think we have to wait for a grad to apply and then we will find out! I think it might be a case by case scenario. I know Indiana is case by case for Saba.

[sis-girl]

Does anyone know anything about Saba being accredited in Minnesota? I know some individuals have done their residencies at Mayo, which is where I am working right now. I would like to work here when I am done with medical school.

The following is the requirment for licensure in MN, I got it from the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice website. For further info, check out the MN medical board website or give them a call.
http://www.state.mn.us/portal/mn/jsp/home.do?agency=BMP

International Graduate Requirements
1. Graduate of a medical school listed in the World Directory of Medical Schools.
2. Successfully complete two years of US/Canadian graduate, clinical medical training in an accredited program unless:
a) admitted as a permanent immigrant to the United States as a person of exceptional ability in sciences pursuant to rules of the U.S. Department of Labor, or
b) issued a permanent immigrant visa as a person of extraordinary ability or as an outstanding professor or researcher and has a valid medical license in another country; or
c) licensed in another state and practiced 5 years without disciplinary action in the US/Canada, completed one year US/Canadian accredited training and passed SPEX within three attempts in 24 months prior to licensing.
3. ECFMG certificate.
4. Successfully complete the USMLE, FLEX, LMCC or state exam. Applicants licensed in another state must pass the SPEX exam within three attempts if it has been more than 10 years since taking the initial licensing exam unless currently certified by a specialty board of the American Board of Medical Specialties, of the American Osteopathic Association Bureau of Professional Education, of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada, or of the College of Family Physicians of Canada.

[medschool22]

Is there an official list anywhere without all the speculation?

[chuy]

I emailed to ask the Texas Medical Board about licensing. Here is what they said.

My email:

Subject: Licensing Question

Hello,
I am interested in attending a foreign medical school and was wondering would I have any issues getting a license to practice medicine in Texas. The school's name is Saba University School of Medicine. Could you please give me some information regarding licensing in Texas for graduates of this school.

Their reply:

We apologize for the length of time it has taken to respond to your inquiry.

At this time there is no list of schools from which the board will or will not license. Each applicant for licensure is considered on their own in regard to whether or not their particular medical education meets board rules and Texas law.
There is however a list of Medical Schools that do not have to prove substantial equivalence. This list is subject to change and TMB may still require graduates of schools on this list to provide additional information about their medical education.
This list is available at:
http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/professionals/physicians/applicants/physicianapplicants.php (http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/professionals/physicians/applicants/physicianapplicants.php)
Further licensing information is available at:
http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/rules/rules/163.php

Sincerely,
Customer Information Center
Texas Medical Board
http://www.tmb.state.tx.us (http://www.tmb.state.tx.us)

[amberf]

So what does this mean? We will be assessed individually based on our scores and education, therefore we do have a chance to get the texas license or ....? I see Ross is on their (tmb's) list ..

[PT2MD]

Are there any SABA grads practicing in Texas? I'd like to hear about the process of establishing "equivalence" between SABA and U.S. programs.

It definitely seems like the most reasonably priced program, and I've been hearing good things about the program. However, if I can't practice in Tejas it does me no good. :rolleyes:

[wolfvgang22]

So what does this mean? We will be assessed individually based on our scores and education, therefore we do have a chance to get the texas license or ....? I see Ross is on their (tmb's) list ..
Do a search of valuemd on Texas and you will find that this has been discussed a LOT by me and others. Without rewriting all that the short answer is:
Yes, you can get a license in Texas if you follow the licensure law to the letter and do what it says exactly. This means all greenbook clinicals by specialty, never doing a clinical in Texas unless enrolled in a Texas clincal program as a visiting student, doing a family practice clinical rotation, and make sure your school qualifies as substantially equivalent to Texas med schools (including having some sort of research program - Saba has hyperbaric program). Of course, Texas medical board has blank check from Texas legislature to decide on a case-by-case basis what "substantially equivalent" means. Get my drift? Ross got approved by Texas after basically bringing lawyers and staff to bear on the matter and proving to Texas they are equivalent to a Texas med school, probably at some expense I imagine. Your step 1 score doesn't matter, you just have to pass within 3 tries and finish all steps within 7 years. Smart money on getting licensed on Texas would be on first getting licensed in another, easier state, so that a Texas denial would not crush your chances of getting licensed. Many states (including Texas, ironically) will not license you should you ever be denied licensure in another state, regardless of the reason. Texas also requires you to do 3 years of residency as an IMG, which is pretty standard for most states. LA and I think Maryland only require you to do two years of residency for licensure, last I checked.
I have heard of only two people in Texas from Saba that are practicing medicine. Can't recall their names off-hand, but I do know that one was at UT Galveston.
Ok I'm tired of typing.
Good luck,
~W

[PT2MD]

I read your earlier post on an earlier thread and that was very helpful. I'll probably contact some of their alumni through SABA who are practicing in Texas to get some first hand advice.

Thanks for the heads up.

[GeorgeMD2B]

Val is correct.

The word accredited probably isn't the correct word. State licensure boards do not accredit schools at all. They do approve schools for licensure. Saba is approved for licensure by some state medical licensure boards (NY and CA, to name two). Approved for licensure usually means that the state accepts your school as equivalent to their state med schools.

In other states, Saba is simply absent from the list of schools banned by the state. This makes Saba students eligible for licensure on a case by case basis in states that do not have Saba on an "approved schools" list.

I think the toughest state regarding licensure rules is Texas, and they are tough chiefly because they require all ACGME green book clincal rotations on the transcript of an MD applying for licensure. Additionally, they require both neurology and family practice clinical rotations. Third, students may not do clinicals in Texas unless enrolled at a Texas state medical school as a visiting student (this is hard to do; you may as well get admitted as a regular student, I think).

I think it is Indiana that requires that a school be in operation for 15 years before their students can be licensed?
CO is like Texas in that they have had an anti-IMG attitude in the last several years. You'll find that a few states like CO, TX, PA and some others have language in their rules making the state medical board able to reject anyone they darn well please ( until challenged in court) based on various specious (in my view) arguments. OK had such language, and it was struck down in the state supreme court. So they go back and tweak things to let in who they want and keep out the riff-raff, in the name of protecting the public. :wink: (Which they do a decent job of, just often overzealously in my view as an international med student.)

Louisiana and Maryland are two of the easier states to get licensed in, I believe IMGS can get licensed in those states with less than 3 years of residency. CA was tough, but not anymore for Saba (except you have to verify every single clinical in writing on a form for them, I believe.)

Your best bet is to go to the website of each state board that you are interested in and read their rules several times and figure out if Saba meets their criteria or not. My strategy is to attempt to meet Texas' tough licensure rules, using them as a guideline to simplify my life. This way, I will likely be eligible for licensure in most other states.

A lot of these anti IMG attitudes are mainly directed towards grads of offshore schools that mostly recruit North American students. Offshore schools who mainly cater to their own countries' populations are different. Graduates of Irish, Australian, and British medical schools don't have the same kinds of licensure issues as those who come from the Caribbean programs aimed at US students or some of the new Eastern European English language programs. For this reason a DO might be a better route than a foreign medical degree.

[Saba23]

No problem for the PIT (Physician-In-Training) license you need for residency and fellowship. Permanent license is case-by-case right now after your ACGME training. SGU and AUC were recently added to The List, so hopefully Saba will be added soon. TX is a great state for docs to practice wrt tort reform, malpractice, etc.

TX residency is not necessarily any harder to get vs other states. If you are from there then don't sweat it for residency. Just score well on boards and work hard in clinicals.

[Saba23]

The only doc according to the Alumni Page on Saba's website that has been successful in getting a Permanent License in TX has been an Endocrinology doc in San Antonio.

All the others have only done their residency there and subsequently left TX.

[mike james]

hey im new to this thread...are there Saba grads in California? or doing residency in California? ....Why is California so anti-fmg?

[tagteammotors]

So lets say I do my residency in ny when i complete med school at saba..and i want to practice in tx...my home town..Have many people done the criteria and do pratice here?> ty

[Aggiemd2b]

So lets say I do my residency in ny when i complete med school at saba..and i want to practice in tx...my home town..Have many people done the criteria and do pratice here?> ty


Texas Medical Board (http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/)

I do not think SABA is on the 'approved' list. You will have many hoops to jump through in order to gain the ability to practice in Texas if you attend SABA. It may technically be possible to do but I think it is not probable. If you have not yet started then I would apply and go to SGU, Ross or AUC which have already received substantial equilavence and therefore 'approval' for Texas. If you have already started at SABA then start planning now! Good luck. Also, you may want to check into working for the VA hospital (Veterns). I believe there is a way to be eligible to practice in Texas once you have worked for them for a certain amount of time. It will just take some research.......

[ReckonerMD]

There are several Saba graduates practicing in TX. Rather than listed to students speculate on how hard it would be to become licensed, I would look at the Alumni list and contact one of the ones listed or call the school to see if you could get contacts for those not listed on the website.

[Articulate]

yup. it says on their website they can practise in the 50 states

[miss_sb]

how about for canada?? is saba's degree recognized by all 10 provinces of Canada?

[Articulate]

when you come to Saba, forget about Canada or better still, say goodbye to Canada.

If you like however, you can go through the hell of writing Canadian exams and licensing in Canada. Your choice. But not avisable.

[iaustudent06]

As far I could read, Texas requires all CORES to be ACGME-certified, but not ALL electives necessarily.

Please read form J on Physician Checklist of Supplemental Documentation and Important Information (http://www.tmb.state.tx.us/apps/physician_checklist.php)

It basically says (section 163.1)
130 week minimum of medical education
Basic Science to have anatomy, biochemistry, biology, physiology, microbiology, immunology, pathology, pharmacology, and neuroscience.
Clinical Science Cores - IM, OB/GYN, FP, psych, peds, and surgery.On the first two pages, ACGME is required on cores:
Cores must be ACGME.
MUST BE SAME SPECIALTY OR SUB-SPECIALTY
Example: IM in ACGME-IM hospital NOT Geriatrics in ACGME-Internal Med Hospital.
Same institute, not affiliated site w/o accreditation
Electives above and beyond the 130 weeks, do not need to be ACGME certified.
BUT ELECTIVES USED TO MEET THE 130 WEEKS (to me this meant = BASIC SCIENCE + CORE CLINICALS + ELECTIVES) MINIMUM ARE SUBJECT TO BE ACGME CERTIFIED IN SAME SPECIALTY OR SUB-SPECIALTY.
OR if you can provided documentation you rotated with U.S. kids (LCME - MD) or (AOA - DO ) at the same facility and staff from their medical school, then it doesn't have to be ACGME.
Hopes this helps!

[woods]

when you come to Saba, forget about Canada or better still, say goodbye to Canada.

If you like however, you can go through the hell of writing Canadian exams and licensing in Canada. Your choice. But not avisable.

Articulate, I was just wondering what information caused you to make your conclusions about coming to Canada with a MD from Saba? There are past students who are now completing their residencies in Canada; so it can't be impossible to come back. Why would you not advise for people to try and come to Canada?

[maserati]

when you come to Saba, forget about Canada or better still, say goodbye to Canada.

If you like however, you can go through the hell of writing Canadian exams and licensing in Canada. Your choice. But not avisable.




You should do more research.

In Ontario, Canada, they have made the USMLE and US residency equivalent to the Ontario ones, so you don't have to redo anything, just wait out for the application process.

[Southerndoc]

So the final verdict is that SABA isn't on the 'approved list' but SABA graduates are still practing in Texas?

And the only 3 schools in the Caribb. who are on the approved list for Texas are:
1)St. Georges
2)Ross
3)AUC

Are these the facts?

[iaustudent06]

So the final verdict is that SABA isn't on the 'approved list' but SABA graduates are still practing in Texas?

And the only 3 schools in the Caribb. who are on the approved list for Texas are:
1)St. Georges
2)Ross
3)AUC

Are these the facts?

It's true those are the only ones on Texas's approved list. But Saba is on other state's approved lists or even questionably-approved lists on one state (Indiana, I think). I believe Saba is a good school and not on any disapproved lists. You can click the link on my signature to confirm.

[Articulate]

so what is it about practicing in the 50 states? So Saba graduates can practice in Texas, even though they aren't approved?

[MDPWR]

Will some one kindly correct me if I'm wrong

Is that true that maximum trouble Saba graduates can have is to jump some extra hoops in few states to qualify for license. But virtually all states will allow Saba grads to practice medicine. Do Saba grads will have a green book issue in some states and they won't be able to get a license?

Do you guys agree with my statement above.

Thanks very much.

Sincerely,

MDPWR.

[iaustudent06]

In Texas you just have to fill out extra forms and I would imagine it would be the same in many other states. You also have to keep rotations "green".

[MDPWR]

In Texas you just have to fill out extra forms and I would imagine it would be the same in many other states. You also have to keep rotations "green".

Thanks so it's a must to have green book rotation in order to get a chance to practice in all 50 states.

Man thats no good news as Saba don't have all green book.

I'm so confused with this whole green book issue, I've red a lot about this issue and still not exactly sure that is it MUST to have all green book from Saba to get practice in all 50 states.

Many thanks.

[iaustudent06]

Thanks so it's a must to have green book rotation in order to get a chance to practice in all 50 states.

Man thats no good news as Saba don't have all green book.

I'm so confused with this whole green book issue, I've red a lot about this issue and still not exactly sure that is it MUST to have all green book from Saba to get practice in all 50 states.

Many thanks.


Many states require just your cores to be green (IM, surgery, FP, pysch, peds and ob/gyn). I believe only PA requires all electives to be green. In Texas, if the medical education is less than 130 weeks, all rotations up until the 130 week mark need to be green. I've posted the Texas information previously with their form (Form J) explaining it.

[Articulate]

I still dont understand why people want to practise in 50 states. I think the major ones are enough. Most people remain in one state throughout their practise.

[iaustudent06]

I still dont understand why people want to practise in 50 states. I think the major ones are enough. Most people remain in one state throughout their practise.

Maybe because you never know where you'll get residency at, which might be different from where you practice at.

[Articulate]

i see. Makes sense

[MDPWR]

Conclusion: If you go to Saba you will be able to practice in all 50 states.

Hope I'm right on this one.

MDPWR.

[iaustudent06]

Conclusion: If you go to Saba you will be able to practice in all 50 states.

Hope I'm right on this one.

MDPWR.

Yeah, just keep clinicals green just to be safe. Oh and avoid being arrested or ticketed for anything besides a traffic violation... at least until you get off the island.:-devil

[AUCMD2006]

I still dont understand why people want to practise in 50 states. I think the major ones are enough. Most people remain in one state throughout their practise.


you have no idea where you will want to end up after graduation and keeping your options open is great. for example, now that i have attended a few medical conferrences and get medical journal subscriptions i have been getting job offers from all over the place. i looked in my mailbox yesterday and there was one from montana:

-guaranteed base salary of $300,000 for the duration of the contract
-bonus program with more than half of practicioners making $500,000
-$25,000 signing bonus
-full malpractice insurance paid for including tail coverage
-full moving expenses and $5,000 relocation allowance
-call is 1:5

i have also gotten things for indiana, california, texas and my fellow residents ahve gotten things from other states. the one from north california was even better than the one above..the hospital basically gave you a practice to run..of course with stipulations but after 5 years you could sell the practice and move

point is, keeping your options open is tyhe best route...taking one of these spots that are in the middle opf no where but pay a ton for a few years can go a long way to put a dent in your debt status

for contrasting purposes an obgyn where i am right now makes $170,000 so i can more than double this and own my own practice for basically free just by having the flexibility to go where i want

i can also do locum tenes work...short term asignements anywhere for a good chunk of change

[MDPWR]

you have no idea where you will want to end up after graduation and keeping your options open is great. for example, now that i have attended a few medical conferrences and get medical journal subscriptions i have been getting job offers from all over the place. i looked in my mailbox yesterday and there was one from montana:

-guaranteed base salary of $300,000 for the duration of the contract
-bonus program with more than half of practicioners making $500,000
-$25,000 signing bonus
-full malpractice insurance paid for including tail coverage
-full moving expenses and $5,000 relocation allowance
-call is 1:5

i have also gotten things for indiana, california, texas and my fellow residents ahve gotten things from other states. the one from north california was even better than the one above..the hospital basically gave you a practice to run..of course with stipulations but after 5 years you could sell the practice and move

point is, keeping your options open is tyhe best route...taking one of these spots that are in the middle opf no where but pay a ton for a few years can go a long way to put a dent in your debt status

for contrasting purposes an obgyn where i am right now makes $170,000 so i can more than double this and own my own practice for basically free just by having the flexibility to go where i want

i can also do locum tenes work...short term asignements anywhere for a good chunk of change

This post makes a lot of sense.

Does AUC have all green book clinical, I appreciate your reply.

[sxamei]

That's really impressive! Congratulations!

[MDPWR]

Yeah, just keep clinicals green just to be safe. Oh and avoid being arrested or ticketed for anything besides a traffic violation... at least until you get off the island.:-devil

Thanks iaustudent06 for your inferential reply, I always appreciate your experienced answers.

Thanks.

MDPWR.

[911Spartacus]

Is there any word with Saba getting on the Texas Equivalency list? Texas only lists AUC, Ross & St. George's. Saba graduates are done on a case by case basis, from my understanding. Will there be a site visit done by the Texas Medical Board anytime soon?

[rosalin]

what if someone get licenced in california, would she be able to practice in canada or newyork????

[rokshana]

what if someone get licenced in california, would she be able to practice in canada or newyork????

if they get a license in NY or Canada, they can...

[ucd]

I read on this forum that in order to practice in california you can do either green or blue core rotations is this true?? CAn someone provide a link to the site where i can confirm this. Thanks

[Articulate]

Hmm. many things one doesn't know.

[01-09]

someone provide a number to call the cali board

[MissCrabette]

Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California (http://www.mbc.ca.gov/applicant/schools_recognized.html)

Should you have any questions please contact the Board's Licensing Program at (916) 263-2382.Google is your friend.

[jmet]

Good to know!

[postdoc]

Just thought I'd attach the California Site Inspection Team's Final Report. It is from the year 2004, when SABA got approved by the Medical Board of California.

Cheers!

[Permasmile]

Thanks for posting info about this topic.

[risktaker]

So this means.... comin out from Saba as an MD and with right residency I can practice anywhere in the world....
And wats up with California..... I would rather go to any other 49 states.... make good money and vacation in California every now n then... wats de big deal with cali

[risktaker]

you have no idea where you will want to end up after graduation and keeping your options open is great. for example, now that i have attended a few medical conferrences and get medical journal subscriptions i have been getting job offers from all over the place. i looked in my mailbox yesterday and there was one from montana:

-guaranteed base salary of $300,000 for the duration of the contract
-bonus program with more than half of practicioners making $500,000
-$25,000 signing bonus
-full malpractice insurance paid for including tail coverage
-full moving expenses and $5,000 relocation allowance
-call is 1:5

i have also gotten things for indiana, california, texas and my fellow residents ahve gotten things from other states. the one from north california was even better than the one above..the hospital basically gave you a practice to run..of course with stipulations but after 5 years you could sell the practice and move

point is, keeping your options open is tyhe best route...taking one of these spots that are in the middle opf no where but pay a ton for a few years can go a long way to put a dent in your debt status

for contrasting purposes an obgyn where i am right now makes $170,000 so i can more than double this and own my own practice for basically free just by having the flexibility to go where i want

i can also do locum tenes work...short term asignements anywhere for a good chunk of change


wooww good info thanks

[risktaker]

Conclusion: If you go to Saba you will be able to practice in all 50 states.

Hope I'm right on this one.

MDPWR.


yup thats correct