HELPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[starsha]

hello eveyone,
i came across this website, and found it very interesting. U are helping ppl become very informed about the type of medical education they can get and the best schools around. i was only hopeful u could be of guidance to me here in an issue that is greatly concering a very close freind of mine here.
i have a freind who studied at one of them eastern european colleges and im not going to mention names. He graduated med school and feels completely incompetant and inconfident to practice medicine anywhere.
u see his professors worked on destroying every shred of self confidence he had and he is not satisfied with the type of medical education he had.
So wht do u think he could do, he was serously thinking of repeating all his clinical rotations somewhere else maybe opting for western europe this time! id that possible?

[starsha]

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[starsha]

confusing i know,
alot of ppl seem to have read this post but no replies so far,
we would greatly appreciate ur input here. :roll:
ILL wait as long as it takes for a reply :probably pass out infront of the pc waiting ur replies

[Miklos]

hello eveyone,
i came across this website, and found it very interesting. U are helping ppl become very informed about the type of medical education they can get and the best schools around. i was only hopeful u could be of guidance to me here in an issue that is greatly concering a very close freind of mine here.
i have a freind who studied at one of them eastern european colleges and im not going to mention names. He graduated med school and feels completely incompetant and inconfident to practice medicine anywhere.
u see his professors worked on destroying every shred of self confidence he had and he is not satisfied with the type of medical education he had.
So wht do u think he could do, he was serously thinking of repeating all his clinical rotations somewhere else maybe opting for western europe this time! id that possible?

This is going to sound harsh, but it might be best if he didn't practice clinical medicine. That does not justify the 'brutality' of the medical education system, but what is the point of going through it again?

I would recommend trying out a career behind a desk, where he does not have to come into contact with patients. Alternatively, he can see a mental health care professional to see what kind of psychopathology is in the background.

Miklos

[dt]

Where does he want to practice? USA? Is he a resident or citizen of USA?

If so, did he pass the USMLE? If not, why not take the Kaplan course before writing the exams?

[starsha]

ok that was harsh.
From what i understand , what he had to go through in medschool was brutal.
I guess being a forgeiner, he didnt get any attention from his educators they were onliy nterested in teaching their nationals.that affected the quality of education the scores he recived
i guess he is a perfectionist; he feels he didnt do well in med school but couldve done better.is it worth giving a second try to help boost his scores?and confidence?

[Miklos]

ok that was harsh.
From what i understand , what he had to go through in medschool was brutal.
I guess being a forgeiner, he didnt get any attention from his educators they were onliy nterested in teaching their nationals.that affected the quality of education the scores he recived
i guess he is a perfectionist; he feels he didnt do well in med school but couldve done better.is it worth giving a second try to help boost his scores?and confidence?

Look, I'm not trying to be mean.

However, medicine is not for the faint of heart. A physician without self-confidence is a danger to himself, his colleagues and his patients.

I would recommend that he see a professional to try and address his issues, before even considering attempting another go at med school.

Miklos

[dc_student]

Hi,
I guess the school which your friend attended was Debrecen!

I study here and know some stuff about it, but I think I'm lovin' it now!

:lol:

[gawtti]

yeah you get used to it after a while! :lol: personally, i think the students do too much complaining here and not enough studying. everyone wants to be spoonfed. bottomline, if you plan on coming to hungary, or any foreign country, you better bring with you your A-game or you will not succeed. 8)

you have to be strong if you plan to study medicine in a foriegn country. i think we'll make great physicians. :)

[cristagali]

Actually most of the Hungarian schools went through a phase of slacker students which were admitted about mid 90's and they either flunked out, transferred, or ended up extending there stay here a couple of years. And as an American, I can say this, most were uninformed, spoiled Americans, and they were not prepared academically, nor maturity wise. Now, the Americans here make up just a small percentage of the class, but we are much better prepared and hence..better medical students. My feeling is your friend is BSing you. But I wish him luck. PS I only responded because DOTE was mentioned as a possible school this person attended. szia 8)

[Nightmoves5]

Hi everyone! I was planning on studying in Debrecen, are foreign students treated different? Is the education top-notch? I'm willing to study hard and am mature but don't want to be victimised.
DOTE students please reply cos if the profs are out to grind me under unfairly then I'll reconsider.

kindly advice me! Thanks!!!

[gawtti]

double post

[gawtti]

nightmoves5,

if you're willing to study and work hard. you'll have no problem. the majority of american students that come to debrecen are not willing to work hard. they expect the profs to spoonfeed them all the information. being a first year student, my advice for you would be don't expect it to be like schools in the states. if you come here with that thought, YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED!! i came in level headed willing to work hard. i got through first semester easy. the first 2 years here are going to be very very difficult mentally and academically. i don't mean to scare you. i'm just being realistic. it's in no way going to be easy. i think the quality of education is very good. yes, there are SOME profs that need to polish up their english skills though. BUT, IT DOES NOT TEACH FOR THE USMLE! it follows the traditional 6 year system.

if you're looking for a school that teaches for the USMLE then SGU, ROSS, SABA, or AUC would be your best bet.

i heard a lot of scary stories about the profs too before i came here. believe me, the profs are NOT out to fail you. i don't see any difference in the treatment of foriegn students with that of the hungarian students. some profs can be intimidating but its only for the best. AGAIN YOU HAVE TO BE STRONG MENTALLY TO STUDY ABROAD. ESPECIALLY IN Eastern Europe! and not only that we have to be confident when we eventually reach our goal of becoming physicians. our patients won't want a doctor that is weak and not confident. its a different educational system here. you just have to accept it and move on. if you have anymore questions post here, or pm me. GOOD LUCK!! 8)

[Nightmoves5]

That really helpe me get the picture!

[Nightmoves5]

That really helped me a lot, I appreciate it!

[Miklos]

Hi everyone! I was planning on studying in Debrecen, are foreign students treated different? Is the education top-notch? I'm willing to study hard and am mature but don't want to be victimised.
DOTE students please reply cos if the profs are out to grind me under unfairly then I'll reconsider.

kindly advice me! Thanks!!!

I think that gawtti's posts paint a pretty good picture. However, I would advise you to make the effort to check it out in person before you commit.

In addition, if you intend to pursue a residency in the U.S., going abroad should be the last option you consider.

[Magyarorszag69]

Nice Post gawtti..... :lol:


I would just like add to gawtti's summary.... DOTE is an excellent University, noteably one of the better ones in Europe. Over my time here, numerous changes have been put in effect, some in advatage of US medical students and yet some were not.... overall, the University is taking the steps to attract potential US Medical students by applying for CA. and NY. accreditation, (once accreditiated) arranging rotations at Wycoff Medical Center. As of now, none of these applications are complete and in place, but they are all in the process.

At one point of time, (about 4 years ago), there were numerous US Medical Students (300+) whom had came through HMI, but HMI had obtained a contract in Poland.... where eventually the greater majority of these HMI students transferred. Since then, the University was mainly obtaining students from Norway, Israel, and other Scandinavian countries.... Now, once again I think the primary goal of the University is to take steps to attract potential US Med Students.

The horror stories about the University are usually due to students whom did not meet the requirements of the University in a particular class or have been dismissed from the University. Overall... I believe DOTE is a excellent University, it does have some downfalls, but I think every University does. It is up to each individual to do their own research and find the University which is best for them !!!!

If you have any other questions about DOTE please feel free to contact me at nitinsawheny@euroweb.hu

Best of Luck