MY ADVICE TO STATE MED BOARD-REJECTED SPARTAN DOCS.

[asianTSwantsMD]

If you have been rejected in your license application before, and tired of institutionalized injustice inflicted on you, and you have no balls or coins to spare for going to court though there is already an Oklahoma legal precedent, your last resort is to go back to med school.

go to a med school that is one of the worst in that particular country, easy to get into, cheap, has english teaching medium, accepts transfer students from any school, and very accommodating and understanding of your case. and yes, the most important thing-- cali board-approved. hehehehehe! there you go beach addicts and suntanners.

two philippine schools fit the mold-- the worst but cali-approved. Filipino medical students with average IQ avoid these schools: Fatima College of Medicine and Angeles College of medicine.

Usually, they require transfer students to have at least 2-year residency/schooling in the college before they can get the MD diploma. since you have taken 99 percent of the medical and clinical courses, maybe you will end up taking not so important courses in their curriculum like Philippine legal medicine, community medicine, tropical medicine. the rest of your two years would be doing your rotation again.

since these schools are extremely flexible, maybe you can even double your rotation time and make your stay in these medical colleges just one year. you did your rotation in the US/SUNY before anyway. anything is possible in these schools where cheating and bribery are the first lessons in physiology.

these schools love to have foreign transfer students. they need money and students need diploma. they would not care much about these students because they are foreigners anyway. they have no plans to take the philippine board exam. so no effect on their board exam passing rate.

all you need is to take NMAT, their entrance exam like MCAT for elementary, in NYC and LA. prepare 5 to 10 grand donation depending on favors asked. this is by the way legal. most med schools in the philippines or india require foreign students to donate. school fees are like $ 2,000 for one whole year. living expenses is like $ 200 a month.

don't be scared to apply for admission in these schools. you won't be the only foreigner or white man mingling with the brown guys in white uniforms. philippines is relatively modern. you will find filipinos sporting a boston accent with harvard grammar (no preposition at the end of a sentence. hehehe) the food choices are asian, american and spanish. i have been to india. philippines is way better and safer when it comes to infrastructure, people's behavior, and security. just don't go to slums or muslim areas. even most filipinos avoid those places.

you need not worry about your professors. the fact that you passed USMLE 1 and 2 they will respect you. most of them are USMLE flunkers if they took the exam. you can bribe them if they know your case. if you want to do something humanitarian, you can volunteer for medical missions. they will really like you for that. that may hasten your MD diploma release. if you just want to party and be merry, you can do that too in these cali board-approved med schools.

there you go Ms. Pat Park.

[AUCMD2006]

english programs don't automatically get approved. its not ilegal or imoral what they do..its just not fair, each state can govern in any way it sees fit...simply put if you want to practice in cali go to a school on their list. the reason why kabul etc is on there is because the entire program was held there, carib schools split thier program and have to apply....

to be fair to the states they have to put in place control mechanisms to control the influx of every professional from every third world country now that would be immoral on the brain drain to those countries and to americans because they would likely take lower wages for same job..like it or not its the law and likely foreshadows what is to come in other states...

the cali law was challenged and was upheld unlike the oklahoma law....each states wording is different so just because there is precedent in oklahoma it doesn't have to transfer to another state because its not federal court.....again its not fair but we are all going through a loophole to get to fullfill our dreams we should jump through all their hoops and take away any reason to deny any of us the ability to work.

[asianTSwantsMD]

all med schools in the philippines use english as a medium of instruction since 1900's. there is no tagalog language MD program. all programs across the islands are english. rich filipinos, who are the ones that can mostly affford to go to med school, even fart in english. that's a joke :)

[shockandawe]

The house slave says "I know the master is unreasonable and unfair but the master is good, just do as he says." The field slave says "Wake up dude." -s&a

[asianTSwantsMD]

when lawyers write briefs, they include all applicable resolved US cases to support their legal contention to influence the ruling of the court. maybe the court will be swayed by the simple logic that what is good for oklahomans is also good for californians since we are all americans.

i stick to my view that even if you went to a med school, where lab/classes are conducted under the coconut trees, and medical science courses are handled by high school science teachers, as long as you passed usmle and finished your residency in a recognized US hospital in a good note, you are good and you deserved to be licensed. If i could, i would even give you a medal for overcoming such obstacles-- making more out of less.

[shockandawe]

as long as you passed usmle and finished your residency in a recognized US hospital in a good note, you are good and you deserved to be licensed. If i could, i would even give you a medal for overcoming such obstacles-- making more out of less.

Exactly. -s&a

[wolfvgang22]

I know a doctor who went to Fatima. He did a fellowship at Baylor in Houston. He explained that to me with a lot of pride in his pidgin English. He's an awful doctor, by the way.

[ValuelessMD]

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[Miklos]

If you have been rejected in your license application before, and tired of institutionalized injustice inflicted on you, and you have no cojones or coins to spare for going to court though there is already an Oklahoma legal precedent, your last resort is to go back to med school.

go to a med school that is one of the worst in that particular country, easy to get into, cheap, has english teaching medium, accepts transfer students from any school, and very accommodating and understanding of your case. and yes, the most important thing-- cali board-approved. hehehehehe! there you go beach addicts and suntanners.

two philippine schools fit the mold-- the worst but cali-approved. Filipino medical students with average IQ avoid these schools: Fatima College of Medicine and Angeles College of medicine.

Usually, they require transfer students to have at least 2-year residency/schooling in the college before they can get the MD diploma. since you have taken 99 percent of the medical and clinical courses, maybe you will end up taking not so important courses in their curriculum like Philippine legal medicine, community medicine, tropical medicine. the rest of your two years would be doing your rotation again.

since these schools are extremely flexible, maybe you can even double your rotation time and make your stay in these medical colleges just one year. you did your rotation in the US/SUNY before anyway. anything is possible in these schools where cheating and bribery are the first lessons in physiology.

these schools love to have foreign transfer students. they need money and students need diploma. they would not care much about these students because they are foreigners anyway. they have no plans to take the philippine board exam. so no effect on their board exam passing rate.

all you need is to take NMAT, their entrance exam like MCAT for elementary, in NYC and LA. prepare 5 to 10 grand donation depending on favors asked. this is by the way legal. most med schools in the philippines or india require foreign students to donate. school fees are like $ 2,000 for one whole year. living expenses is like $ 200 a month.

don't be scared to apply for admission in these schools. you won't be the only foreigner or white man mingling with the brown guys in white uniforms. philippines is relatively modern. you will find filipinos sporting a boston accent with harvard grammar (no preposition at the end of a sentence. hehehe) the food choices are asian, american and spanish. i have been to india. philippines is way better and safer when it comes to infrastructure, people's behavior, and security. just don't go to slums or muslim areas. even most filipinos avoid those places.

you need not worry about your professors. the fact that you passed USMLE 1 and 2 they will respect you. most of them are USMLE flunkers if they took the exam. you can bribe them if they know your case. if you want to do something humanitarian, you can volunteer for medical missions. they will really like you for that. that may hasten your MD diploma release. if you just want to party and be merry, you can do that too in these cali board-approved med schools.

there you go Ms. Pat Park.

Actually, it doesn't work.

According to California law, all of your medical education must be completed in a California approved program. Advanced standing and transfer does not help alleviate this requirement.

[asianTSwantsMD]

well maybe for extra 2 grand, a brand new transcript from 1st year to fourth can be issued by angeles or fatima. anything is possible in these cali-approved schools.

[gawtti]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i should go to the philipines, huh? :P

[ZAATARI]

I wish everyone happy new year.My personal views in this issue regarding CA laws challanged and upheld and if Spartan tried to help the MD who sued the OK board :they will lose[Spartan] and lose again.I believe there is a big difference when a money making foreign chartered school file a complaint and a US citizen living under the US constitution files a complaint.The OK courts would have said to Spartan:we do not believe you are comparable to US schools ,sorry...nothing Spartan can and will do HOWEVER when the low and high courts of OK looked at an MD,US citizen,living and protected by the constitution,holds 5 US licenses,did 4 yrs at SUNY and was chief resident last yr in a major US med school then they had no choice but to certify his education[as a whole] as similar to Univ OK med school education,and for these reasons States like NM tells you if you come from unapproved school you must complete residency,be board certified and have no malpractice claims,States like Utah tells you if hold a license for 5 yrs in another state then you will be ok,that's why Illinois had in the mid 80's approved ,not approved list and such list was eliminated because "its too biased",bla bla bla.
People who completed residency,licencsed in the US and doing well in their practice should be proud of themself because their education is similar to US med schools education and that is not my views but the opinion of supreme court judges .I have no problem with states tries to evaluate schools but a big problem when they create specific rules for specific group.

Desclaimer: Personal views

[ZAATARI]

I believe the state that requires 5 yrs license in another state from unapproved schools is Idaho not Utah[check their websites for current rules].

[WestTexasRN]

[quote="asianTSwantsMD"]

i have been to india. philippines is way better and safer when it comes to infrastructure, people's behavior, and security. just don't go to slums or muslim areas. even most filipinos avoid those places.



I just want to add that my Philipina friend's uncle was recently robbed and killed, in his own home, in broad day light because locals know he has relatives in the US sending money to him. Lets'also not forget about the beheadding practice there also. Just be careful.

Happy New Year to all.

[Picard]

Umm, asianTSwantsMD goes from claiming his/her primary care doc from Orange County, California who is a Spartan grad and got his/her CA license 3 years ago (insinuating some sort of ridiculous "gag order" crap)... to when challenged, asked us to "pay" him/her to research the names for us (umm, you mean you don't know your own PCP's name? You have to do "research" to find your PCP's name from three years ago?" ) And now is coming up with ideas of going to Phiilipipino schools and insulting IMG's from Phiilippines -- classic troll tactics. Just look at his/her post in the Eastern European forum -- umm, how about those Russian schools he/she claims? You mean those schools where DC's went and bought their degrees and subsequently had their medical license pulled for fraud? Or is he/she now claim that he/she can speak Russian now and wants to go to U. of Moscow? Last I looked, some of the CA approved Carib schools were accepting applicants with 2.6-3.0 GPA and MCAT in the 20's range -- if you can't even achieve that, perhaps you don't belong in ANY real medlical school in the first place?

BTW, if you think "buying" a diploma from a California-approved foreign school (Phillippines, Russian.... etc) would get you a rubber stamped CA license -- think again. This thinking only shows how ignorant of CA laws asianTSwantsMD and people who belileve him/her are. California law has very strict curriculum requirements for IMG's. School approval from CA board is only the first step. California pours through every little details in an IMG's application -- from calculating how many credit hours each basic science-level courses has to clinical rotation hours/requirements in each disciplant. They can go as far as calling the actual hospitals to verify rotations. Plenty of IMG's from CA approved schools are rejected for CA licensure for not meeting the IMG curriculum requirements. So asianTSwantsMD"s silly notion of buying diplomas from other schools is simply wishful thiniking at best, trolling at worse.

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[asianTSwantsMD]

these schools are cali-approved. i repeat cali-approved. foreign students love these schools. they can cheat and bribe to pass. go to asian school forum you will see. a lot of americans got their MD's from there. They passed USMLE not because of fatima or angeles training. they are basically self-taught.

you are not buying a diploma from these schools you can arrange something to get your MD in an accelerated basis. as i said anything that looks legal is possible in these schools. ethical? nope.

i am not insulting Filipino IMG's. so-so filipino med students avoid these schools.

[shockandawe]

Umm, asianTSwantsMD goes from claiming his/her primary care doc from Orange County, California who is a Spartan grad and got his/her CA license 3 years ago (insinuating some sort of ridiculous "gag order" crap)... to when challenged, asked us to "pay" him/her to research the names for us (umm, you mean you don't know your own PCP's name? You have to do "research" to find your PCP's name from three years ago?" ) And now is coming up with ideas of going to Phiilipipino schools and insulting IMG's from Phiilippines -- classic troll tactics. Just look at his/her post in the Eastern European forum -- umm, how about those Russian schools he/she claims? You mean those schools where DC's went and bought their degrees and subsequently had their medical license pulled for fraud? Or is he/she now claim that he/she can speak Russian now and wants to go to U. of Moscow? Last I looked, some of the CA approved Carib schools were accepting applicants with 2.6-3.0 GPA and MCAT in the 20's range -- if you can't even achieve that, perhaps you don't belong in ANY real medlical school in the first place?

BTW, if you think "buying" a diploma from a California-approved foreign school (Phillippines, Russian.... etc) would get you a rubber stamped CA license -- think again. This thinking only shows how ignorant of CA laws asianTSwantsMD and people who belileve him/her are. California law has very strict curriculum requirements for IMG's. School approval from CA board is only the first step. California pours through every little details in an IMG's application -- from calculating how many credit hours each basic science-level courses has to clinical rotation hours/requirements in each disciplant. They can go as far as calling the actual hospitals to verify rotations. Plenty of IMG's from CA approved schools are rejected for CA licensure for not meeting the IMG curriculum requirements. So asianTSwantsMD"s silly notion of buying diplomas from other schools is simply wishful thiniking at best, trolling at worse.

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You really are full of a lot of **, Picard. I'm starting to think that you might be the MOST naive, lost and ignorant person in this forum, thus far. -s&a

[Picard]

What part of my post is naive? What part of my post is not true? Are you back into the "Spartan has a Nobel Laureate mode now?" Who is dishing out **?

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[ValuelessMD]

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[Picard]

Dispite my personal believes on current licensing laws, they are what they are and licensing for IMG's will only get tighter and tougher in the near future.

What I have a problem is folks here who are giving out false information to potential students and perpetuating misinformation. It's irresponsible to post things like "sue the board and everything will be ok" and "this is the backdoor into XYZ state." Coming from current students, it's ignornance and dangerous. Coming from graduates who claimed to be in practice for a long time, it's entirely unethical and irresponsible, and not the actions of a responsible physician. Just look at the posts... things from "we have and nobel price winner" to "gagged graduates licensed in California" -- he must know these are simply not true, yet he continues to perpetuate these fraudulent claims... this is not fair to potential students who are assessing schools.

IMG's need to do their homework and go into their chosen schools with their eyes open. If you look at my posts, I don't criticize a school over their facilities or quality of their education (except questions about professors/teachers credentials/lack of) -- what we have been talking about are licensing laws, which does NOT require us to visit/attend a particular school to discuss...

Again, there are no Spartan grads licensed in California after the 1985 ban. Zero, none. Trying to imply to potential students that Spartan grads have sued and won licensure in California is simply untrue and unethical.

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[tiredintern]

I know a doctor who went to Fatima. He did a fellowship at Baylor in Houston. He explained that to me with a lot of pride in his pidgin English. He's an awful doctor, by the way.

lol.. thanks for the great laugh

[CA advocate]

Hi, You had mentioned earlier that your primary care physician is a Spartan grad working in state of CA. I am trying to get license and the name of your physician would be a great help. Thanks

[Picard]

Sorry to bear bad news... she/he lied. There are no Spartan Grads licensed in California since the 1985 ban. Her Orange County PCP story is not true, and she changed her stories a few times after challenged with facts.

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[oldbutgold]

TO asianTswantsmd,

HI,
I got a ques., sooo if u dont get ur liscense wht do u do next??since u already had passed step 1,2,csa, even step 3....how do u transfer into a program since u completed enough hours to sit in for each one of these tests and u have a ecfmg cert...what do u tell the med school ur applying for???????for many aswell they may have even are done w/their residency then what....if u know anyone that has done this let us know..thanks in advance

[Ron]

If you have been rejected in your license application before, and tired of institutionalized injustice inflicted on you, and you have no cojones or coins to spare for going to court though there is already an Oklahoma legal precedent, your last resort is to go back to med school.

go to a med school that is one of the worst in that particular country, easy to get into, cheap, has english teaching medium, accepts transfer students from any school, and very accommodating and understanding of your case. and yes, the most important thing-- cali board-approved. hehehehehe! there you go beach addicts and suntanners.

two philippine schools fit the mold-- the worst but cali-approved. Filipino medical students with average IQ avoid these schools: Fatima College of Medicine and Angeles College of medicine.

Usually, they require transfer students to have at least 2-year residency/schooling in the college before they can get the MD diploma. since you have taken 99 percent of the medical and clinical courses, maybe you will end up taking not so important courses in their curriculum like Philippine legal medicine, community medicine, tropical medicine. the rest of your two years would be doing your rotation again.

since these schools are extremely flexible, maybe you can even double your rotation time and make your stay in these medical colleges just one year. you did your rotation in the US/SUNY before anyway. anything is possible in these schools where cheating and bribery are the first lessons in physiology.

these schools love to have foreign transfer students. they need money and students need diploma. they would not care much about these students because they are foreigners anyway. they have no plans to take the philippine board exam. so no effect on their board exam passing rate.

all you need is to take NMAT, their entrance exam like MCAT for elementary, in NYC and LA. prepare 5 to 10 grand donation depending on favors asked. this is by the way legal. most med schools in the philippines or india require foreign students to donate. school fees are like $ 2,000 for one whole year. living expenses is like $ 200 a month.

don't be scared to apply for admission in these schools. you won't be the only foreigner or white man mingling with the brown guys in white uniforms. philippines is relatively modern. you will find filipinos sporting a boston accent with harvard grammar (no preposition at the end of a sentence. hehehe) the food choices are asian, american and spanish. i have been to india. philippines is way better and safer when it comes to infrastructure, people's behavior, and security. just don't go to slums or muslim areas. even most filipinos avoid those places.

you need not worry about your professors. the fact that you passed USMLE 1 and 2 they will respect you. most of them are USMLE flunkers if they took the exam. you can bribe them if they know your case. if you want to do something humanitarian, you can volunteer for medical missions. they will really like you for that. that may hasten your MD diploma release. if you just want to party and be merry, you can do that too in these cali board-approved med schools.

there you go Ms. Pat Park.

What an advise you have there AsianTSwantsMD, I wonder how you give your care to your patients if you have that may I say innate bad character you always have.... Are you from fatima college of medicine nor from Angeles College of medicine? Then if you're not, then you don't have the right to say whatever about those colleges, because you don't know what is really happening on those institution. You're an asian? I hope you're not a Filipino! The only way to pass the USMLE or any other exams, whether youre from Harvard or any other medical school in the world is to really prepare for the exam. And preparing for it is not entirely a responsibility of your school but it is your own reponsibility. It is how you understand what you are reading during your undergrad years. Perhaps you also realized that the Philippine curriculum is based from the american curriculum, so that we are using the same textbook, and we are defining fever with the same definition. As long as your school is recognized by the WHO and any organization such as IMED, then that school also passed the standards of every medical school in the world. You also visit this site and look for your school: www.op.nysed.gov/medforms.htm