GAGGED SPARTAN GRAD gets LICENSED in CALIFORNIA!!!

[shockandawe]

Ever wonder why the CA state boards are so scared of being sued? Gagged Spartan grad gets licensed in California. Read all about it...

AsianTSwantsMD wrote: Take the case of my primary care physician 3 years ago in orange county in southern California as an example. He got his MD from Spartan in the Caribbean. Spartan is not cali approved yet he practiced in cali.

http://www.valuemd.com/ftopic28378.html

[Picard]

Another troll trying to stir the pot about California.

If he/she really has a primary care provider in Orange County, California who has received a California license AFTER the 1985 ban of Spartan, all he/she has to do to prove her point is to provide us with the name so we can look it up on www.medbd.ca.gov -- it lists ALL California licensed physicians INCLUDING THE INITIAL YEAR OF LICENSURE and the year of medical school graduation.

And PLEASE don't settle for the ** claim that mentioning the name will bring retrobutions from the state of California on that physician. California medical licensure is public record. If asianTSwantsMD's Spartan grad primary care truly successfully sued the California board for licensure, then he/she is protected by that court's ruling on her licensure... and since physician records are public BY CALIFORNIA LAW, mere confirmation of her school of graduation on the board's website cannot possibly be violating any "gag order" (however ridiculous this "gag order" idea sounds), if there is any. If the primary care obtained his/her license under fraudulent conditions by misrepresenting his/her medical credential, then he/she needs to be exposed.

So, to asianTSwantsMD -- WHO IS THE NAME OF THAT ORANGE COUNTY DOCTOR from Spartan who got his/her license AFTER the 1985 ban?

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Again, another unsubstantiated claim by someone who has absolutely NO clue on California law. Yes, there are graduates from unapproved schools licensed in California who OBTAINED THEIR CA LICENSURE BEFORE THE PASSAGE OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS. But NO graduates from unapproved schools have been licensed AFTER the law passed. AsianTSwantsMD is simply a troll who is again trying to stir the pot. Very simply... see my post quoted above ...

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[asianTSwantsMD]

don't blame me for your habit of being spoon-fed. be resourceful. go find it yourself. pay me then i will research them for you. if you can't do anything, shut up and have fun with cali board's injustice. you can also join the cali board in welcoming afghan docs trained in mud hut med schools in kabul. i am not your mother to spoon-feed you. maybe that's what you learned in a so-so med school.

[shockandawe]

Picard maybe you are the troll... Maybe you are a CA state board troll... Instead of accusing people, why don't you do some research first? -s&a

[Picard]

I did. Can't find ANY Spartan grads in Orange County licensed after the ban. AsianTSwantsMD claims to have one. He/she cannot simply claim to have a "Spartan grad" in Orange county AFTER the ban and call others liers -- he/she IS troll and lier.

go find it yourself. pay me then i will research them for you. if you

Take the case of my primary care physician 3 years ago in orange county in southern California as an example.

WHAT RESEARCH? AsianTSwantsMD states that it's HER/HIS primary care MD. All we want is the name. Go to www.medbd.ca.gov and all you need is a name or location. I typed in Orange county and looked through hundreds of names this weekend -- NO Spartan grads licensed after the ban. So, AsianTSwantsMD needs to "research" his/her PCP's name? LOL. If he/she can't even remember his/her primary care physician's name, perhaps medical school is not a good choice for him/her... or he/she is a troll.

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[Picard]

Maybe you are a CA state board troll... Instead of accusing people, why don't you do some research first? -s&a

umm, calling someone who you think is from the state medical board a troll.... classic.

Don't worry, I'm sure Ms. Park will chime in after the holidays... you can call her a troll also.... along with your "Nobel Laureate" classmate....

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[shockandawe]

Maybe you are a CA state board troll... Instead of accusing people, why don't you do some research first? -s&a

umm, calling someone who you think is from the state medical board a troll.... classic.

Don't worry, I'm sure Ms. Park will chime in after the holidays... you can call her a troll also.... along with your "Nobel Laureate" classmate....

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I never said Ms. Parks was anything more than what she is and although I strongly disagree with her, I do appreciate her taking the time to help students and alumni learn more about the Ca state boards. I'm not talking about her. I am talking about you "Picard".... I don't think that you are honest. But then again, maybe you just have some kind of brain lesion or something, I don't know?? -s&a

[Picard]

Please clarify what I'm not being honest about?

Talking about honesty, I seem to remember some Spartan grads bragged about some Nobel Laureate dispite multiple attempts of others trying to reason with them and advising them not to perpetuate fraud.

Now this same Spartan graduate is perpetuating another misinformation by posting about "gaged" Spartan grad with CA license and calling others liers when questioned. What did I lied about? Who is this mysterious Spartan grad in Orange County with CA license after the ban? I did my homework. Go to www.medbd.ca.gov You can search physicians by county. There are several hundred listed. I had a few hours to kill this weekend and looked at all of them and guess what, NO Spartan grads are listed after the ban. So, since asianTSwantsMD claims that this Spartan grad was/is his/her primary care provider in Orange County, California -- give us the name... and why is it that he/she needs to "research" the name? Can't remember the PCP's name? So, asianTSwantsMD is either a troll trying to stir up this California issue again or he/she is simply uninformed. And you, shockandawe, should know better by now then to repost garbage/misinformation from this person. Or, are you heading towards "Spartan has a Nobel Price Winner/Laureate" mode again?

Again, exactly what did I lie about?

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[shockandawe]

Anyone who agrees with the CA state boards approving Saddam University Medical school graduates and discriminating against us, is corrupt and dishonest.

Most of you do not even believe in all this nonsense that the CA state boards are propagating. You know its backwards, corrupt, dishonest, unfair, unethical, immoral and ridiculous, but because it is a matter of "one-up-manship" for you, you would rather support a corrupt regime as the CA state boards... Kind of like Saddam's officers. You are the "Saddam officers" of international medical school education. You see the injustice with your own eyes and yet you approve of it, just so that you can eat at his dinner table.

But the good news is that although what CA is doing to IMG's might work very well in Iran and North Korea, it won't work for long in the USA. They will be challenged, just as all suppressive regimes are challenged, and they will eventually go down. Oklahoma is a prime example. That which is unconstitutional in OK, is unconstitutional in ALL states, including CA. We all still share the same constitution, unless CA is thinking of joining another country, such as Syria, Iran or North Korea. -s&a

[Picard]

Ahh, getting philosophical now...

Trying to compare OK and CA situation is like comparing apples and oranges. Remember, Spartan HAS ALREADY CHALLENGED California board's ruling in court AND LOST. So before you start doing your armchair lawyering, at least talk to a licensing lawyer first... There is nothing wrong with trying to keep out substandard schools, no matter how righteous you may feel as a graduate... ever heard of "fruits of a poisonous tree" theory in criminal law? Perfectly constitutional, dealt with that all the time when I was a cop. Frustrating, but that's how our system is. You went into Spartan with your eyes open (I hope), with full knowledge that it wasn't California approved (at least I hope you knew before you attended) -- so there is really no point crying about it afterwards. You made your choice, now you need to live with the consequences... Just like the ADA's used to tell us -- if you knew the PC was weak on your search, don't come crying afterwards when the dope you found on the BG was excluded in court.

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[asianTSwantsMD]

yes cali and oklahoma cases are apple and orange in comparison. it's time now to turn that apple into an orange.

spartan sued cali while spartan doc did oklahoma. time for a spartan doc to sue cali without settlement but clear verdict like that of oklahoma.

basic premise in constitutional law: what is legally just in oklahoma may also be legally just in california since we are all americans under one constitution.

[ValuelessMD]

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[AUCMD2006]

yes we are all under one constitution but each state has a right to govern and regulate its own territory. that is why there are 50 sets of regulatiuons governing, nurses, doctors, architects, cpas, contractors etc. then some states due the reciprocity thing but it isn't in every state....

so just because its unconstitutional to the oklahoma constitution doesn't mean it is to the california constitution. the us constitution probably doesn't have much to do with the issue because each state regulates its own professions....the only way that it may flow into federal court maybe if the cali board denies a license to a gay black Jew in a wheelchair (just for illustration..could alse be a Catholic lesbian hispanic on a harley) other than that why would it go to federal court?

[shockandawe]

But you never really tackled the moral question Picard. I think that would require you to use your brain and think a little. I'll leave it alone, overlook it and try to keep things simple for you.

When Spartan was visited by the CA boards, they were run out of a small hotel in St. Lucia, that was over 20 years ago. Spartan today is not the same as the Spartan of 20 years ago. Another major problem with regulating international medical schools is that, not only does the CA board discriminate against a small group of the total international medical educations, but they can only observe or "site visit" at a finite and fixed period of time. But we know that medical education is neither finite nor fixed, on the contrary, it is changing, evolving and ever-growing. Are you keeping up Picard??

Let me give you an example. After the AUC site visit, the CA board granted AUC approval. However, at some point after their approval, sometime within the 1990's, AUC was not only being run out of a hotel for prostitutes in St. Martin, but also lost their Staffords. AUC is doing much better now, but my point is that not all of the schools that are approved are always at the same level, because it is impossible to regulate them properly, since they are in completely different countries. Some may degenerate, then bounce back up, others may never recover, they are ever-changing. Look at sgu today, they have 340 + students per class, 3 classes per school year, that is over 1000 new students per year. Have you ever heard of a USA medical school accepting over 500 students per year into their program??? This is crazy... Their greed for the dolllar is spinning out of control. Saba was just approved. Today it is a great school, but how do we know that tomorrow it won't become a whore house??? We don't know. No one can never know what the future will hold.

If CA wants to regulate international medical schools, first they have to regulate ALL international medical schools, including Saddam university, which by the way is CA approved. I didn't just make that school up. And then, they have to regulate the schools continuously with frequent visits, not just at one fixed finite point in time, because we know that these schools for good or for greed, are ever-changing, evolving, growing and sometimes even over-growing. -s&a

[AUCMD2006]

for the last time the prostitutes were in the hotel after auc moved to its campus...dang it it would have been nice to have room service though :shock:

[shockandawe]

for the last time the prostitutes were in the hotel after auc moved to its campus...dang it it would have been nice to have room service though :shock:

Yeah, sure rrod, whatever you say dude, why don't just admit that you had prostitutes there?? I won't tell your wife.... :D Just kidding, dude..

But the truth is that for a couple of years AUC became a piece of crap school and they even lost their Staffords. They're good now, everything is cool. My point is that you cannot judge a school by one visit that you or the CA boards did 20 years ago. Some schools that are approved might degenerate. Some may recover, others may never recover.. We don't know?? No one can say for sure how good or bad a school will be in the future... Unless, of course, you or the CA state boards think that you are GOD??? -s&a

[AUCMD2006]

"My point is that you cannot judge a school by one visit that you or the CA boards did 20 years ago"

so the spartan admin should get off their arses and apply....saba students that visit sxm have said their facilities aren't that good but are ok so if you say spartan is in same if not better condition then its just lazyness...if they spent the money on improving the campus why stop there?

[shockandawe]

"My point is that you cannot judge a school by one visit that you or the CA boards did 20 years ago"

so the spartan admin should get off their arses and apply....saba students that visit sxm have said their facilities aren't that good but are ok so if you say spartan is in same if not better condition then its just lazyness...if they spent the money on improving the campus why stop there?

i agree -s&a