CREDIBLE ALUMNI

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Some research on the school- Spartan University, School of Medicine:

I was pleasantly surprised to find some credible Alumni from Spartan University, after reviewing the school's curriculum, and application, I believe the school is on the right track and considerably improved in the past 5 years......there are several deficiencies that the school must work on, such as research, facilities, and laboratories (pathology & anatomy specifically !)

here are some, alumni/graduates:

Perry Krichmar, M.D., F.A.C.C.
http://healthybodyhealthymind.com/

Parker Lyn, MD (Spartan Graduate)
http://tamhsc.edu/academics/catalog/faculty/com_m-q.php

Claude Meeks, MD
http://www.medschool.lsuhsc.edu/family_medicine/lafayette.asp

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However.......I would encourage studetns to visit the campus before enrolling in the school, from videos, photos, application and reviewing offshore medical schools, I support only 7 schools, most are in existance for more than 10 years and have great medical programs.
Spartan, started since 1980, however it was lacking too many things to be considered a "valuable" medical education......recently, some changes were made.....for the better........

Best Regards,
and I hope 2005 will be a good productive year for all prospective medical students !

Good luck !

[neilc]

Spartan, started since 1980, however it was lacking too many things to be considered a "valuable" medical education......recently, some changes were made.....for the better........



what changes were made for the better?

i can agree that there appear to be a few folks that have made it out of spartan and done well, but it seems that there are many, many other paths with much less drama, much more credibilty and licensability.

it would be prudent to recommend that students attend schools with a strong history of grads with unrestricted licensure in ALL states, good usmle pass rates, etc...

please advise us of the recent "changes" that you are aware of. hopefully it is more than 3 grads/alumni that you found online. pretty much any school, anywhere that has been around this long can at least muster up that.

[shockandawe]

please advise us of the recent "changes" that you are aware of. hopefully it is more than 3 grads/alumni that you found online. pretty much any school, anywhere that has been around this long can at least muster up that.

Recent changes?? How about a whole new campus, new histo, anatomy labs, new computer lab, library expansion, etc, etc... Where have you been??

Any school can muster what?? How many, neilc, can muster a multimillion dollar cardiology takl show host that advised the USA patients?? How many can muster up a Stevie award?? How many can muster up licensed grads in 44 states?? Are you really that blind. tell you what. Go into Yahoo and write Spartan Health Sciences MD and see what you get. See how many, neilc, you can "muster" up??

-s&a

[neilc]

please advise us of the recent "changes" that you are aware of. hopefully it is more than 3 grads/alumni that you found online. pretty much any school, anywhere that has been around this long can at least muster up that.

Recent changes?? How about a whole new campus, new histo, anatomy labs, new computer lab, library expansion, etc, etc... Where have you been??

Any school can muster what?? How many, neilc, can muster a multimillion dollar cardiology takl show host that advised the USA patients?? How many can muster up a Stevie award?? How many can muster up licensed grads in 44 states?? Are you really that blind. tell you what. Go into Yahoo and write Spartan MD and see what you get. See how many, neilc, you can "muster" up??

-s&a

dude...you go on and on about these isolated grads. most schools out there have many (or at least a few) distinguished alumni.

the point with spartan is that the AVERAGE student there does not seem to do as well. you are focusing on the exceptional cases, where the prospective student is much better served by looking at the overall pattern of the school.

by the way, licensed grads in only 44 states after over 20 years of existence is nothing to write home about. and, a guy hosting a talk show is great and all, but there are plenty of grads from other schools with equal (or greater) credentials...such as high level faculty positions.

again, look at patterns...sgu, auc, ross all have produced thousands of grads in all states of the nation working everyday on patients. spartan has produced far, far fewer grads, and has actually regressed (ie lost loans) instead of progressed over the years.

finally, you mentioned the upgrades to the campus. that is great...but, it seems that the current students there disagree, and have stated over and over that the school is WORSE now than it was. where are some links and photos? would love to verify this

[shockandawe]

sgu collects 300 + students per semester. Spartan has between 20-30 students. Thus sgu should have more licensed grads, wouldn't you think??? About the Spartan facilities being worse today than before, that is complete and utter nonsense. They are the best now than they ever were.. Dude, they just built a new campus and have had extensive expansions. Saba's campus is NOT better than Spartan. I've been to both. Although Saba is the better school. Neilc, you are just a certified school basher. -s&a

[neilc]

Neilc, you are just a certified school basher. -s&a

not true...just so happens that your school has LOTS of issues. if people want to go there, great. but, they should be fully informed, and not buy into the fluff that is presented on this site. it is great that a few grads are doing well, but that means zero to most of us. what is important is that the school has a good history of getting its grads back to the US with zero restrictions. spartan cannot do that.

not a school basher at all. there are some great schools out there, all of which should be considered before spartan. if you cannot go to one of the better schools, spartan may provide you an opportunity, but you must accept many limitations and a much greater risk.

very simple. i am sure you can see the point i am making.

[mindprobe]

I would advise anyone who is considering Saba v. Spartan to go to the Saba website and VIEW their lab facilities and their school. They have overhead histology projections, a large anatomy lab with more than two cadavers...but one should see for him or herself. I think the difference is clear. This is reality, not pessimism.

[shockandawe]

Rather, I would advise that you actually go to the schools and see the truth because there are a lot of things that are not as they seem... I went to visit Saba 4 or 5 years ago. The school was split into three parts of the island. 1,2,3rd trimester was at one end of the island called the "Bottom". 4,5th semesters were at the "TOP" on the complete other side of the island. The library was in the middle of the island. The facilities were fair but nothing to brag home about.

The main distinction between them and Spartan was that when the students talked about their administration, they spoke nicely. Spartan students hate their administration and with good cause.

Saba is better than Spartan. They have CA and their administration puts Spartan to shame. If you have the choice and can afford it, you should definitely take Saba without any hesitation. For some Spartan is the only choice. Especially now, with the loan crisis that is going on. You will see many schools good and bad disappearing next year because of this new loan situation.

The problem with your pessimism, mindprobe, is that you know only Spartan. Your knowledge of the other schools is based more on the internet and from what other people say and not from experience, not from concrete evidence of having been to these place. You can critique Spartan, in your own special negative way, but the other schools are given a free get out of jail card. Could it be that if you had gone to another school, mindprobe, that you would still be negative about your carib. expeience???

I am certain that you would have much to complain about. The truth is that you most likely do not like the carib. experience period. I know that I wouldn't have anything to do with the carib, if I could do it again. I would have tried for the USA or even gone to Australia or one of the real English schools in England.

However, for many, Spartan is the only choice. Still, no one has provided us with a school that offers affordable tuition comparable to Spartan with USA clinical rotations. -s&a

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what changes were made for the better?

i can agree that there appear to be a few folks that have made it out of spartan and done well, but it seems that there are many, many other paths with much less drama, much more credibilty and licensability.

it would be prudent to recommend that students attend schools with a strong history of grads with unrestricted licensure in ALL states, good usmle pass rates, etc...

please advise us of the recent "changes" that you are aware of. hopefully it is more than 3 grads/alumni that you found online. pretty much any school, anywhere that has been around this long can at least muster up that.[/quote]

A. Spartan was disapproved in 1985 !!! only 5 years after started operation, since 2000, faculty to student ratio increased, investments were made in facilities and new equipment, better school location and more hospitals are now affiliated with spartan.......did I answer your question ???

B. last time I did a google search I came across at least 30 licensed graduates from Spartan.........please check it for yourself or to make life easier for you check this link, to find out more about current residents:
http://www.spartanmed.org/html/residents.html

C. Spartan's Graduates are licensed in 46 states !
If the school continues with the current positive trend I am sure they will get approved in all 50 states, CA included !

Regards,

[shockandawe]

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I under-estimated you. I thought that you were another chronic negative poster-school basher such as Neilc, but you are more fair and you are giving both sides of the story, unlike people such as Neilc.

You are right that Spartan needs to apply for CA and IN. We need more, but also we have had a lot of devleopments, including the new campus, expansions, Prime Ministers visit, long history of affordable tuition, extremely successful grads from Harvard to MD Anderson, etc, etc...

It is by no means the best school in the carib, but there are positives from Spartan as well. For some, Spartan is the only choice of school, where the tuition is affordable and one can do all of his/her rotations in the USA, thereby gaining USA experience and recommendations for USA residency...

Certainly, this school has negatives, but it isn't all negative, they also have positives as well... -s&a