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[currentstudent]

I, currentstudent, have deleted this post not because I was advised by the forum moderators but because I feel that this post depicted the opposite of my character and was quite immature in its content. I have already personally appologized to azskeptic for my remarks against him and I will conduct myself in a manner which represents me and my chosen career path in the future.

Thank you

[wolfvgang22]

We all hate you and think your posts are a waste of time (at least for those people DOING something)!
No we don't.

If you can't take the heat, why don't you get out of the kitchen, mr. currentstudent? Nobody held a gun to your head and made you read the posts on valuemd. :lol: Perhaps it should be you who leaves, since you are the one complaining? :p

[rdecastro]

[edited]

What gave you the impression that you could speak for me? You most certainly MAY NOT.

If you don't like what Azskeptic posts, then get some facts to refute (facts, mind you, not wishes and hopes) them.

Good luck on your boards.

[azskeptic]

[edited]

Physical violence won't change the reality of information. But I wouldn't suggest trying to slap me...I'm fairly street smart. Show where my info is wrong.....good luck.

[AUCMD2006]

same basic rights that give you the right to post moronic nonsense gives az the right to post facts and articles......the best way to shut him up about an issue is to show him he is wrong...to this date not even super lawyer from aua has proven him wrong.....

[shockandawe]

Physical violence won't change the reality of information. But I wouldn't suggest trying to slap me...I'm fairly street smart. Show where my info is wrong.....good luck.

You are so full of it rrod.. The Az is perpetually wrong and everybody knows it...

Azskeptic, rrod, Wolfgang and Castro, I wish I could ever understand how you people become this way??? Especially you rrod, you need to really change your attitude.. :D

currentstudent, good luck on your boards... -s&a

[AUCMD2006]

haven't been slapped since last time i was home :roll:

[stephew]

this thread has is under review at the moderators forum. I highly suggest users review what they've written and edit out any flames, insults or other terms of use violations.

[dt]

Oh, oh! Someone is losing it. Too bad.

[classic]

Azskeptic, rrod, Wolfgang and Castro, I wish I could pimp slap all four of you!!!! Especially you rrod, you need a double pimp slap..


Oh please can I watch it. My parents have too much parental control on the TV and I'm not allowed to view the violence.
I don't get to watch stuff like


:fight: :nuts: :starwars: :samurai: :ald: :lolup:
:microwav: :chineses: :curse:

How Sad :cry:



I'd pay you a pimpslap tomorrow for the pimpslap viewing today!!

Somebody's stirring the cool-aid!!

[shockandawe]

Azskeptic, rrod, Wolfgang and Castro, I wish I could pimp slap all four of you!!!! Especially you rrod, you need a double pimp slap..


Oh please can I watch it. My parents have too much parental control on the TV and I'm not allowed to view the violence.
I don't get to watch stuff like


:fight: :nuts: :starwars: :samurai: :ald: :lolup:
:microwav: :chineses: :curse:

How Sad :cry:



I'd pay you a pimpslap tomorrow for the pimpslap viewing today!!

Somebody's stirring the cool-aid!!

classic,

Of course, we are just all joking around.. -s&a

[azskeptic]

haven't been slapped since last time i was home :roll:

well, at least we're not being offered a caneing...now in England they pay for that..ha ha Steph, its ok for me....I'm amused and not particularly bothered by the young person's emotional outbreak. It is better to laugh then take some of this stuff too seriously. It is safe on a listserv like this to learn how to moderate one's emotion but when you get into the real world you don't threaten people or say things like above; it isn't proper behavior.

[shockandawe]

haven't been slapped since last time i was home :roll:

well, at least we're not being offered a caneing...now in England they pay for that..ha ha Steph, its ok for me....I'm amused and not particularly bothered by the young person's emotional outbreak. It is better to laugh then take some of this stuff too seriously. It is safe on a listserv like this to learn how to moderate one's emotion but when you get into the real world you don't threaten people or say things like above; it isn't proper behavior.

Seriously though, as much as I have always disagreed with much of what you say Az, you have always been mature about personal attacks and I respect you for that and I respect the fact that you do not have any hard feeling about what currentstudent said... As you can understand, he is very upset with some of your always so negative postings and especially stressed for his boards, which are like in a week... -s&a

[azskeptic]

haven't been slapped since last time i was home :roll:

well, at least we're not being offered a caneing...now in England they pay for that..ha ha Steph, its ok for me....I'm amused and not particularly bothered by the young person's emotional outbreak. It is better to laugh then take some of this stuff too seriously. It is safe on a listserv like this to learn how to moderate one's emotion but when you get into the real world you don't threaten people or say things like above; it isn't proper behavior.

That's it, Azskeptic!!! Now I am definitely going to pimp slap you!!!!!! :lol:

Seriously though, as much as I have always disagreed with much of what you say Az, you have always been mature about personal attacks and I respect you for that and I respect the fact that you do not have any hard feeling about what currentstudent said... As you can understand, he is very upset with some of your always so negative postings and especially stressed for his boards, which are like in a week... But that doesn't mean that you are off of my pimp slap list, you are still getting pimp slapped buster!!!!! -s&a

when you reach 53,like me, if you aren't fairly mature you'll never get there.

When I was young and hotheated I would say things that didn't make much sense. Maturity (which isn't necessarily age related) will teach you it is better to win a discussion with facts and honesty than trying to win by bullying,etc. I understand that currenstudent is stressed; we all are in our lives,whatever it may be. Our goal as fully functioning humans is to speak to each other and talk things out; if we don't agree we don't agree. Slapping won't get you far; even babies don't like it when they used to be slapped. Nope, best thing to do is disprove what you don't done like. My intentions are honorable as are most people on discussion groups. Our job is to talk and learn and listen to others....not necessarily agree. Some things aren't able to be put into the tune you want.

[shockandawe]

Oh well... -s&a

[shockandawe]

I think that the problem Az, is that you do not understand medical education very well...

In medical school, you learn the basic sciences first... People in the USA, sometimes never show up to class, they just study and take the tests and then pass step 1... Some people need classes and that is fine because the classes are there. Same is true for the carib. except if you go to Spartan because at Spartan you have to be present for 80% of each and every course or you fail.. They do take attendance, every single day. As far as I know spartan is the only school that requires you to be present for all classes.

Then you do your clinicals. Your job as a medical student is to do H & P's, go to rounds, write notes, retract during surgeries, basic stuff. Then you take step 2. There is no real magic to it. And after it is all over they call you a doctor, which is a joke because you cannot do anything without supervision.

Then Azkeptic, you go to residency and that is where ALL the learning takes place, that is where you learn your trade!!!!!!

More, if a Ross student gets 235 on his boards and a Harvard grad gets 185, generally speaking that Ross student knows more about the basic sciences than that Harvard student regardless of where they studied...

The medical school that you went to, says nothing about what kind of physician you are... This explains how some us from a little known school such as Spartan have qualified to the top university hospitals in the nation!!!! Because we earned it!!!

You, Az, have to keep in mind that there are real people out there with families, hard working people that sacrificed, that labored, that worked our butts off, in order to make to where we are.. In fact, we worked harder than most USA graduates.

Then you come into this forum and post negative stuff, much of it lies, like the Courant... When you send that stuff around to every state licensing board in the nation, think of these things that I mention. What you are doing might not be so honorable.

I showed you places where the Courant lied. Have you followed up on that stuff??? Spartan grads can be licensed in St. Lucia. Their lies have hurt Spartan grads for a long time... You posted an example of it today, with your TN article. If you take the time to research what I am saying and you see that I speak the truth, are you still going to feel honorable??? I only hope you see the truth and the truth opens your mind. That is all. -s&a

[rdecastro]

Physical violence won't change the reality of information. But I wouldn't suggest trying to slap me...I'm fairly street smart. Show where my info is wrong.....good luck.

You are so full of ** rrod.. The Az is perpetually wrong and everybody knows it...

Azskeptic, rrod, Wolfgang and Castro, I wish I could pimp slap all four of you!!!! Especially you rrod, you need a double pimp slap.. :D

Az, you do not want to say that you are street smart around ZAATARI, I hear that he is a strong man, I would not mess with him, Az. He will kick your gluteal in... :wink:

currentstudent, good luck on your boards... -s&a

If you want to try, have the short bus driver email me and I'll give him the driving directions. Bring a half-dozen of your closest friends, and you all bettter pack lunch. - you'll need it.

Professionals have tried to do me harm (including shooting at me), I'm still here and they're looking for 72 virginians, so I think I can scrape you off the bottom of my shoe wtithout too much trouble.

Want to know where you're wrong? It started with your choice of med school.

[ZAATARI]

no,I am soft spoken sweet woman,300 lbs 5-1 ,hairy chick that love paece.

[shockandawe]

no,I am soft spoken sweet woman,300 lbs 5-1 ,hairy chick that love paece.

:D

[ZAATARI]

so many people from many carribean schools will be treated as quilty until proven innocent and only because of the CT article that achieved 100% its goals based on misrepresentation and hiding the reply of the american asso med college president and the other US leaders calling the article"immature journalism"
I believe we hundreds of Alumni whom reputation unfairly destroyed and innocent consumers should file $50 million dollars class action lawsuit on the basis of material misrepresentation[meaning over 50% of info false] that directly caused harm and damage[jounalism malpractice]:

Exhibit A: ST LUCIA eligibility for license letters from the MOH
Exhibit B: Eligibility to be licensed in NM [Many Alumni already in NM],
I called the board I am fine they said
Exhibit C: Banned in Idaho[they name Spartan,SGU,AUC-I called ALL ok
Exhibit D: 4 classrooms [misleading info/hid expansion near completed]
Exhibit E: Malpractice case misleading accusing med school of not taeching
the art of intubation[myself 3 other classmates done thousands
in 18 yrs so why we did not have a single incident[as a matter
of fact many Anesth from US schools asked our assistant to
intubate with difficult ones.
Hid extra ordinary alumni like the founder of the best Cardiology group in FL,Best heath care leader in FL,Harvard resident of the yr[too many to count...]
the school should have filed the lawsuit because this article might[high might] cause their fall,but we innocent alumni awarded top recognitions by US leaders feel discriminated against while many other IMG less qualified enjoying equality and fair acts........not in America

[Kirst]

It's saddening to see this forum become infested with less than productive comments. Please consider withdrawing from participation in such.

[shockandawe]

so many people from many carribean schools will be treated as quilty until proven innocent and only because of the CT article that achieved 100% its goals based on misrepresentation and hiding the reply of the american asso med college president and the other US leaders calling the article"immature journalism"
I believe we hundreds of Alumni whom reputation unfairly destroyed and innocent consumers should file $50 million dollars class action lawsuit on the basis of material misrepresentation[meaning over 50% of info false] that directly caused harm and damage[jounalism malpractice]:

Exhibit A: ST LUCIA eligibility for license letters from the MOH
Exhibit B: Eligibility to be licensed in NM [Many Alumni already in NM],
I called the board I am fine they said
Exhibit C: Banned in Idaho[they name Spartan,SGU,AUC-I called ALL ok
Exhibit D: 4 classrooms [misleading info/hid expansion near completed]
Exhibit E: Malpractice case misleading accusing med school of not taeching
the art of intubation[myself 3 other classmates done thousands
in 18 yrs so why we did not have a single incident[as a matter
of fact many Anesth from US schools asked our assistant to
intubate with difficult ones.
Hid extra ordinary alumni like the founder of the best Cardiology group in FL,Best heath care leader in FL,Harvard resident of the yr[too many to count...]
the school should have filed the lawsuit because this article might[high might] cause their fall,but we innocent alumni awarded top recognitions by US leaders feel discriminated against while many other IMG less qualified enjoying equality and fair acts........not in America


Azskeptic,

You wanted to know why so many people are upset with you and where the Courant is so unfair and wrong... ZAATARI, has just given you a big list. Are you just going to blow it off or are you going to follow this stuff up??? You say that you are trying to be honorable, right? OK, ZAATARI has given you a long list. We await your response. -s&a

[azskeptic]

so many people from many carribean schools will be treated as quilty until proven innocent and only because of the CT article that achieved 100% its goals based on misrepresentation and hiding the reply of the american asso med college president and the other US leaders calling the article"immature journalism"
I believe we hundreds of Alumni whom reputation unfairly destroyed and innocent consumers should file $50 million dollars class action lawsuit on the basis of material misrepresentation[meaning over 50% of info false] that directly caused harm and damage[jounalism malpractice]:

Exhibit A: ST LUCIA eligibility for license letters from the MOH
Exhibit B: Eligibility to be licensed in NM [Many Alumni already in NM],
I called the board I am fine they said
Exhibit C: Banned in Idaho[they name Spartan,SGU,AUC-I called ALL ok
Exhibit D: 4 classrooms [misleading info/hid expansion near completed]
Exhibit E: Malpractice case misleading accusing med school of not taeching
the art of intubation[myself 3 other classmates done thousands
in 18 yrs so why we did not have a single incident[as a matter
of fact many Anesth from US schools asked our assistant to
intubate with difficult ones.
Hid extra ordinary alumni like the founder of the best Cardiology group in FL,Best heath care leader in FL,Harvard resident of the yr[too many to count...]
the school should have filed the lawsuit because this article might[high might] cause their fall,but we innocent alumni awarded top recognitions by US leaders feel discriminated against while many other IMG less qualified enjoying equality and fair acts........not in America


Azskeptic,

You wanted to know why so many people are upset with you and where the Courant is so unfair and wrong... ZAATARI, has just given you a big list. Are you just going to blow it off or are you going to follow this stuff up??? You say that you are trying to be honorable, right? OK, ZAATARI has given you a long list. We await your response. -s&a

Do you want me to do a survey of states that won't license Spartan?

[shockandawe]

so many people from many carribean schools will be treated as quilty until proven innocent and only because of the CT article that achieved 100% its goals based on misrepresentation and hiding the reply of the american asso med college president and the other US leaders calling the article"immature journalism"
I believe we hundreds of Alumni whom reputation unfairly destroyed and innocent consumers should file $50 million dollars class action lawsuit on the basis of material misrepresentation[meaning over 50% of info false] that directly caused harm and damage[jounalism malpractice]:

Exhibit A: ST LUCIA eligibility for license letters from the MOH
Exhibit B: Eligibility to be licensed in NM [Many Alumni already in NM],
I called the board I am fine they said
Exhibit C: Banned in Idaho[they name Spartan,SGU,AUC-I called ALL ok
Exhibit D: 4 classrooms [misleading info/hid expansion near completed]
Exhibit E: Malpractice case misleading accusing med school of not taeching
the art of intubation[myself 3 other classmates done thousands
in 18 yrs so why we did not have a single incident[as a matter
of fact many Anesth from US schools asked our assistant to
intubate with difficult ones.
Hid extra ordinary alumni like the founder of the best Cardiology group in FL,Best heath care leader in FL,Harvard resident of the yr[too many to count...]
the school should have filed the lawsuit because this article might[high might] cause their fall,but we innocent alumni awarded top recognitions by US leaders feel discriminated against while many other IMG less qualified enjoying equality and fair acts........not in America


Azskeptic,

You wanted to know why so many people are upset with you and where the Courant is so unfair and wrong... ZAATARI, has just given you a big list. Are you just going to blow it off or are you going to follow this stuff up??? You say that you are trying to be honorable, right? OK, ZAATARI has given you a long list. We await your response. -s&a

Do you want me to do a survey of states that won't license Spartan?


Much simpler... Lets stick to the allegations of the Courant and to ZAATARI's list. Start with the St. Lucian government, then work your way down ZAATARI's list. He is calling you and the Courant out. He already has spoken with the St. Lucian health minister, he also spoke with NM, Idaho. He verified the building of the new campus which was right in front of the Courant writers' faces... He also has done thousands and thousands of intubations as an expert and sub-specialist, in a filed that requires daily intubations!!!!

You wanted to know why people are so upset with you for sending this fake article to every state licensing board, where the errors are, he made a list, like a christmas list for you. I recommend you start with the St. Lucian government because that is by far the most serious allegation made by the Courant. We will wait for you here, when you learn the truth, please share it with us. This isn't about being right or wrong, it is about fairness and justice. Investigate these points and let us know where the Courant was fair or unfair... -s&a

[azskeptic]

so many people from many carribean schools will be treated as quilty until proven innocent and only because of the CT article that achieved 100% its goals based on misrepresentation and hiding the reply of the american asso med college president and the other US leaders calling the article"immature journalism"
I believe we hundreds of Alumni whom reputation unfairly destroyed and innocent consumers should file $50 million dollars class action lawsuit on the basis of material misrepresentation[meaning over 50% of info false] that directly caused harm and damage[jounalism malpractice]:

Exhibit A: ST LUCIA eligibility for license letters from the MOH
Exhibit B: Eligibility to be licensed in NM [Many Alumni already in NM],
I called the board I am fine they said
Exhibit C: Banned in Idaho[they name Spartan,SGU,AUC-I called ALL ok
Exhibit D: 4 classrooms [misleading info/hid expansion near completed]
Exhibit E: Malpractice case misleading accusing med school of not taeching
the art of intubation[myself 3 other classmates done thousands
in 18 yrs so why we did not have a single incident[as a matter
of fact many Anesth from US schools asked our assistant to
intubate with difficult ones.
Hid extra ordinary alumni like the founder of the best Cardiology group in FL,Best heath care leader in FL,Harvard resident of the yr[too many to count...]
the school should have filed the lawsuit because this article might[high might] cause their fall,but we innocent alumni awarded top recognitions by US leaders feel discriminated against while many other IMG less qualified enjoying equality and fair acts........not in America


Azskeptic,

You wanted to know why so many people are upset with you and where the Courant is so unfair and wrong... ZAATARI, has just given you a big list. Are you just going to blow it off or are you going to follow this stuff up??? You say that you are trying to be honorable, right? OK, ZAATARI has given you a long list. We await your response. -s&a

Do you want me to do a survey of states that won't license Spartan?


Much simpler... Lets stick to the allegations of the Courant and to ZAATARI's list. Start with the St. Lucian government, then work your way down ZAATARI's list. He is calling you and the Courant out. He already has spoken with the St. Lucian health minister, he also spoke with NM, Idaho. He verified the building of the new campus which was right in front of the Courant writers' faces... He also has done thousands and thousands of intubations as an expert and sub-specialist, in a filed that requires daily intubations!!!!

You wanted to know why people are so upset with you for sending this fake article to every state licensing board, where the errors are, he made a list, like a christmas list for you. I recommend you start with the St. Lucian government because that is by far the most serious allegation made by the Courant. We will wait for you here, when you learn the truth, please share it with us. This isn't about being right or wrong, it is about fairness and justice. Investigate these points and let us know where the Courant was fair or unfair... -s&a


TO: Hon. Damian Greaves

Minister for Health, Human Services, Family Affairs and Gender Relations


Dear Sir:

I am writing to inquire as to the status of graduates of Spartan Medical School in St. Lucia. Are they allowed to practice medicine in St. Lucia? Is their school recognized and fully licensed in St. Lucia?

Best regards:

[shockandawe]

so many people from many carribean schools will be treated as quilty until proven innocent and only because of the CT article that achieved 100% its goals based on misrepresentation and hiding the reply of the american asso med college president and the other US leaders calling the article"immature journalism"
I believe we hundreds of Alumni whom reputation unfairly destroyed and innocent consumers should file $50 million dollars class action lawsuit on the basis of material misrepresentation[meaning over 50% of info false] that directly caused harm and damage[jounalism malpractice]:

Exhibit A: ST LUCIA eligibility for license letters from the MOH
Exhibit B: Eligibility to be licensed in NM [Many Alumni already in NM],
I called the board I am fine they said
Exhibit C: Banned in Idaho[they name Spartan,SGU,AUC-I called ALL ok
Exhibit D: 4 classrooms [misleading info/hid expansion near completed]
Exhibit E: Malpractice case misleading accusing med school of not taeching
the art of intubation[myself 3 other classmates done thousands
in 18 yrs so why we did not have a single incident[as a matter
of fact many Anesth from US schools asked our assistant to
intubate with difficult ones.
Hid extra ordinary alumni like the founder of the best Cardiology group in FL,Best heath care leader in FL,Harvard resident of the yr[too many to count...]
the school should have filed the lawsuit because this article might[high might] cause their fall,but we innocent alumni awarded top recognitions by US leaders feel discriminated against while many other IMG less qualified enjoying equality and fair acts........not in America


Azskeptic,

You wanted to know why so many people are upset with you and where the Courant is so unfair and wrong... ZAATARI, has just given you a big list. Are you just going to blow it off or are you going to follow this stuff up??? You say that you are trying to be honorable, right? OK, ZAATARI has given you a long list. We await your response. -s&a

Do you want me to do a survey of states that won't license Spartan?


Much simpler... Lets stick to the allegations of the Courant and to ZAATARI's list. Start with the St. Lucian government, then work your way down ZAATARI's list. He is calling you and the Courant out. He already has spoken with the St. Lucian health minister, he also spoke with NM, Idaho. He verified the building of the new campus which was right in front of the Courant writers' faces... He also has done thousands and thousands of intubations as an expert and sub-specialist, in a filed that requires daily intubations!!!!

You wanted to know why people are so upset with you for sending this fake article to every state licensing board, where the errors are, he made a list, like a christmas list for you. I recommend you start with the St. Lucian government because that is by far the most serious allegation made by the Courant. We will wait for you here, when you learn the truth, please share it with us. This isn't about being right or wrong, it is about fairness and justice. Investigate these points and let us know where the Courant was fair or unfair... -s&a


TO: Hon. Damian Greaves

Minister for Health, Human Services, Family Affairs and Gender Relations


Dear Sir:

I am writing to inquire as to the status of graduates of Spartan Medical School in St. Lucia. Are they allowed to practice medicine in St. Lucia? Is their school recognized and fully licensed in St. Lucia?

Best regards:


You mean to ask, "Are they allowed to practice medicine after residency training?" Because without residency training, you cannot practice in St. Lucia period... In fact, you cannot practice in most places in the USA, nevermind St. Lucia... In this age, azskeptic, residency training is a requirement. -s&a

[ZAATARI]

The St Lucia official who is in charge of monitoring committe[interviewed in the CT article is Mr Montrope the assistant to the PM and on the Spartan monitoring committe for this issue],I spoke to him regarding the eligibility of licensing issue /I will pm his e mail address[its public info/I called the PM office from the internet and asked to speak to him.The highest authority in St Lucia[the PM] strongly support Spartan[read his officail position in the new campus speech]
Mr Montrope told me what he stated in the CT article[refer to the article]:Spartan grads eligible for license if they complete residency[& of course citizen requirements like everywhere else], Do you thing if this St Lucian senior student [Alecia]who got the hightest score on her boards and went to Harvard for Cardiology they will say sorry you are not eligible and she will have top hospitals in the US fighting for her?If I apply with 18 yrs in top US and international hospitals,double board certified,award winning for superior care,saved thousands of lives,the St Lucian government would not take me?they would not take Harvard radiologist,Moffitt oncologist,SF award winning cardiologist,Stevie award winner delivering free meds & as consultant,TV host on their TV educating their public to prevent diseases,
Any outstanding physician will do well anywhere and hospitals tries to attract him/her for any price.

[shockandawe]

Two more points that I want to bring up, after reviewing the article again. I want you to add these things to your Christmas list, Az...

1- They mention an incident, in detail, where a Spartan student missed classes and still graduated back in the early 1980's when the school first started. It has a great effect on the reader... However, they do not mention the FACT that Spartan learned from that mistake and there is an 80% attendance policy!!!!!! That is huge azskeptic... On the one hand, they are accusing the school of letting someone slide by, back in the 80's and they do not mention anything about how Spartan has handled and fixed the situation... I am sure that when they did their visit, they must have asked the students, "Well, do you guys go to class?" And I am positive that the students must have told them about Spartan's attendance policy.

2- They accuse Spartan of completing the basic sciences in only 4 semesters. But Az, ALL USA schools do their basic sciences in 4 semesters!!!!!!!! Only they take the summer off after the first year. We continue thru and do all four semesters wiithout taking the summer off. 4 semesters = about a year and 4 months. USA people do it in a year and 8 months, because they take the summer off. They are misleading people here!!!!

3- They mention that the Spartan pass rate for the boards is low, "according to experts". What experts??? I am not denying that it is low, medium or high.. I just want to know what "experts" they are talking about??? I do not know of any experts roaming the caribbean with board scores in their back pockets.

There is so much fluff in this article... So you can get a small glimpse Az, of why people are so upset. Do you really believe that this article is fair, Az??? -s&a

[azskeptic]

Two more points that I want to bring up, after reviewing the article again. I want you to add these things to your Christmas list, Az...

1- They mention an incident, in detail, where a Spartan student missed classes and still graduated back in the early 1980's when the school first started. It has a great effect on the reader... However, they do not mention the FACT that Spartan learned from that mistake and there is an 80% attendance policy!!!!!! That is huge azskeptic... On the one hand, they are accusing the school of letting someone slide by, back in the 80's and they do not mention anything about how Spartan has handled and fixed the situation... I am sure that when they did their visit, they must have asked the students, "Well, do you guys go to class?" And I am positive that the students must have told them about Spartan's attendance policy.

2- They accuse Spartan of completing the basic sciences in only 4 semesters. But Az, ALL USA schools do their basic sciences in 4 semesters!!!!!!!! Only they take the summer off after the first year. We continue thru and do all four semesters wiithout taking the summer off. 4 semesters = about a year and 4 months. USA people do it in a year and 8 months, because they take the summer off. They are misleading people here!!!!

3- They mention that the Spartan pass rate for the boards is low, "according to experts". What experts??? I am not denying that it is low, medium or high.. I just want to know what "experts" they are talking about??? I do not know of any experts roaming the caribbean with board scores in their back pockets.

There is so much fluff in this article... So you can get a small glimpse Az, of why people are so upset. Do you really believe that this article is fair, Az??? -s&a

As a published writer myself one must consider writing is like a camera...you take a picture but what you see may not be what others see.

One cannot question that Spartan is questioned by many and as you have mentioned the admnistration is a large part of the question. Spartan, the school of last resort, is what people think.

[shockandawe]

Two more points that I want to bring up, after reviewing the article again. I want you to add these things to your Christmas list, Az...

1- They mention an incident, in detail, where a Spartan student missed classes and still graduated back in the early 1980's when the school first started. It has a great effect on the reader... However, they do not mention the FACT that Spartan learned from that mistake and there is an 80% attendance policy!!!!!! That is huge azskeptic... On the one hand, they are accusing the school of letting someone slide by, back in the 80's and they do not mention anything about how Spartan has handled and fixed the situation... I am sure that when they did their visit, they must have asked the students, "Well, do you guys go to class?" And I am positive that the students must have told them about Spartan's attendance policy.

2- They accuse Spartan of completing the basic sciences in only 4 semesters. But Az, ALL USA schools do their basic sciences in 4 semesters!!!!!!!! Only they take the summer off after the first year. We continue thru and do all four semesters wiithout taking the summer off. 4 semesters = about a year and 4 months. USA people do it in a year and 8 months, because they take the summer off. They are misleading people here!!!!

3- They mention that the Spartan pass rate for the boards is low, "according to experts". What experts??? I am not denying that it is low, medium or high.. I just want to know what "experts" they are talking about??? I do not know of any experts roaming the caribbean with board scores in their back pockets.

There is so much fluff in this article... So you can get a small glimpse Az, of why people are so upset. Do you really believe that this article is fair, Az??? -s&a

As a published writer myself one must consider writing is like a camera...you take a picture but what you see may not be what others see.

One cannot question that Spartan is questioned by many and as you have mentioned the admnistration is a large part of the question. Spartan, the school of last resort, is what people think.


See Az, that was NOT my question! Whether a school is in question or not, does NOT give anyone the right to make up false allegaitions!!!! Journalists have a obligation to state facts!!!! As a published writer, you should know that...

I personally do NOT care whether Spartan is a first choice or a last choice, that is not the issue. Stick to the issue. You are running away. And because you are so stubborn and because you do NOT want to take any responsiblity for any of your actions, in regard to sending this false artice to state boards, you will never admit your error and this is why there is so much animosity towards you in this forum. Now, you have your answer. -s&a

[ZAATARI]

currentstudent
Man,your post was very popular attracting almost 600 visitors in 19 hrs. I hope you guys not distracted from studying.
Best of Luck to all

[azskeptic]

Two more points that I want to bring up, after reviewing the article again. I want you to add these things to your Christmas list, Az...

1- They mention an incident, in detail, where a Spartan student missed classes and still graduated back in the early 1980's when the school first started. It has a great effect on the reader... However, they do not mention the FACT that Spartan learned from that mistake and there is an 80% attendance policy!!!!!! That is huge azskeptic... On the one hand, they are accusing the school of letting someone slide by, back in the 80's and they do not mention anything about how Spartan has handled and fixed the situation... I am sure that when they did their visit, they must have asked the students, "Well, do you guys go to class?" And I am positive that the students must have told them about Spartan's attendance policy.

2- They accuse Spartan of completing the basic sciences in only 4 semesters. But Az, ALL USA schools do their basic sciences in 4 semesters!!!!!!!! Only they take the summer off after the first year. We continue thru and do all four semesters wiithout taking the summer off. 4 semesters = about a year and 4 months. USA people do it in a year and 8 months, because they take the summer off. They are misleading people here!!!!

3- They mention that the Spartan pass rate for the boards is low, "according to experts". What experts??? I am not denying that it is low, medium or high.. I just want to know what "experts" they are talking about??? I do not know of any experts roaming the caribbean with board scores in their back pockets.

There is so much fluff in this article... So you can get a small glimpse Az, of why people are so upset. Do you really believe that this article is fair, Az??? -s&a

As a published writer myself one must consider writing is like a camera...you take a picture but what you see may not be what others see.

One cannot question that Spartan is questioned by many and as you have mentioned the admnistration is a large part of the question. Spartan, the school of last resort, is what people think.


See Az, that was NOT my question! Whether a school is in question or not, does NOT give anyone the right to make up false allegaitions!!!! Journalists have a obligation to state facts!!!! As a published writer, you should know that...

I personally do NOT care whether Spartan is a first choice or a last choice, that is not the issue. Stick to the issue. You are running away. And because you are so stubborn and because you do NOT want to take any responsiblity for any of your actions, in regard to sending this false artice to state boards, you will never admit your error and this is why there is so much animosity towards you in this forum. Now, you have your answer. -s&a

Again, writing is an art,not a science....i.e. it is opinions not something that can be verified with a machine. You continue attack me but apparently can't deal with the reality that the article isn't false; only that you don't agree with it. If there are 'corrections' get them into an accepted place i.e. magazine,newspaper, press release from Spartan and get it out to the people. Attacking me won't solve your problems nor your schools problems. Tennessee is an example of what happens if you don't deal with it. That is why students should carefully study going to a school like Spartan that doesn't support its students per S&A's writings and thoughts; you are on your own.

[shockandawe]

Pointless, to even try and reason with you, Az... That whole thing about you saying that if we showed you where the errors were, you would act, was a lie. I am sorry but I have to agree with so many others, that there is corruption in your method. You will not even begin to listen and so, your cycle of deception and ignorance continues... But I do not even know what is in it for you nor do I really care, at this point... -s&a

[rdecastro]

Pointless, to even try and reason with you, Az... That whole thing about you saying that if we showed you where the errors were, you would act, was a lie. I am sorry but I have to agree with so many others, that there is corruption in your method. You will not even begin to listen and so, your cycle of deception and ignorance continues... But I do not even know what is in it for you nor do I really care, at this point... -s&a

So, you not only lack the courage to attempt to get facts, you lack the intellectual capacity to understand why facts are important. I see why you attend a pseudoschool.

[shockandawe]

Pointless, to even try and reason with you, Az... That whole thing about you saying that if we showed you where the errors were, you would act, was a lie. I am sorry but I have to agree with so many others, that there is corruption in your method. You will not even begin to listen and so, your cycle of deception and ignorance continues... But I do not even know what is in it for you nor do I really care, at this point... -s&a

So, you not only lack the courage to attempt to get facts, you lack the intellectual capacity to understand why facts are important. I see why you attend a pseudoschool.

You're right, castro, exactly.. You got it... Good job. -s&a

[currentstudent]

hahaha.....S&A lacks intellectual capacity? He went to a pseudoschool? YEA......But hes a DOC now and making a ton of money......IM SURE THATS MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY FOR YOURSELF! That "pseudoschool" that he went to, allowed him to get to where he is today! So until you make a 7 figure sum that can beat his 6 figures id keep my dumb *** mouth shut!........MONEY TALKS BABY------BLING BLING!

By the way castro its DR.Shockandawe to YOU!

[currentstudent]

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[azskeptic]

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[rdecastro]

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I made the offer, if you have the guts to actually try it, boy.

[rdecastro]

hahaha.....S&A lacks intellectual capacity? He went to a pseudoschool? YEA......But hes a DOC now and making a ton of money......IM SURE THATS MORE THAN YOU CAN SAY FOR YOURSELF! That "pseudoschool" that he went to, allowed him to get to where he is today! So until you make a 7 figure sum that can beat his 6 figures id keep my dumb gluteal mouth shut!........MONEY TALKS BABY------BLING BLING!

By the way castro its DR.Shockandawe to YOU!


He's not a doc in California, is he? So, he's not a doc for me. Too bad he thinks that he made a mistake (hence his complaining about the law in California, too bad he wasn't bright enough to figure it out earlier).

And I retired from a mid 6 figure annual income to go to medical school. Two weeks ago I got the settlement from selling one of my businesses, it's more than 8 figures (cash, left side of the decimal).... It's not about the money for me. I have another business that I'm in the process of selling, that will only bring me a tad under $1-mil. Oh, and my Cessna Citation Jet is for sale, too. So, I guess I can talk.

Now, if it's just about the money for you, why not go into a line you're better suited for? Since you're so familiar with pimps, that must be your calling.

[sean]

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[currentstudent]

I appologize for my immature, and disappointing behaviour. I dont know what had gotten into me but I feel horrible for what I have said to all of those people on this form whom I insulted.

[anotherstudent]

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and thank you officer. I feel so much safer now.......................LOL.

[Picard]

As stated in the post below by Az, I will remove this post.

Best wishes.

[azskeptic]

Don't forget this is public board and you have invited members of medical boards to come here and read about Spartan... all I see are childish attacks from Spartan students and alumni's... What do you think this says about the quality of students this school educates.... which board do you want approval from again???

P

Currentstudent has apologized and I accept his apology. Indeed one needs to be aware that these are public boards and like it or not your behavior speaks for your institution. But he has shown some good manners and I appreciate it. Sometimes internet is not the best way to communicate your feelings at the time you hit the send button.

[mindprobe]

I would like to add that any individual seeking veritable knowledge should always question anything stated by currentstudent. His/Her constant diatribes and insults, whether apologized for or not, are not becoming and should cast doubt on any and all information he/she purports.

[wolfvgang22]

uh oh. it's big word guy again :lol:

[shockandawe]

I would like to add that any individual seeking veritable knowledge should always question anything stated by currentstudent. His/Her constant diatribes and insults, whether apologized for or not, are not becoming and should cast doubt on any and all information he/she purports.

Dude,

The guy made a mistake. He was under a lot of stress. He was upset. He apologized about it. Why don't you give him a break? I guess not everyone can be as great as you mindprobe, huh?? You are just so superior, aren't you? -s&a