Clinical sites

[greendogz]

Griffin Hospital, Derby CT
Requires boards
IM availble as well as IM electives
General surgery and surgical electives
Radio, Path
Family practice

Jackson Park, Chicago IL
No Boards required, the worst possible place to do rotations
Ob/Gyn, peds, path, radio, a lot available

St. Josephs Hosptial, Elgin IL
Psych, ob/gyn, peds, internal meds, once again, a lot available, and no true board requirements, some good rotations depending on attending


I urge other students to add to the list

[Beaker]

please dont post the clinical sites. all this does is give contact info for big schools like ross to come in and offer big $ to send thier own students there. this is why some sites charge a fee. notice the sites that charge a fee happens to be shared with other carib students. some of these places were free before some big carib schools came in and took up spots by paying for them.

so please dont plaster the info all over the place b/c it will just potentially raise the costs for clinical students.

peace

[Picard]

Just a word of caution about clinical rotations for IMG's.

While it's true that you can do clinicals anywhere your school will allow you to and obtain your degree, it makes a HUGE difference come residency/licensure time where you did your clinicals.

1) For IMG's, most states require that you do clinical rotations in hospitals that have "parent" ACGME approved residency programs in order to be eligible for licensure. This means, your medicine rotation and any medicine subspecialty rotations need to be done in places where there's an ACGME-approved medicine residency program. Same goes for surgery, ob/gyn, peds, psych, radiology, path... etc. Of the hospitals you listed, Jackson Park only has Family Practice residency program -- which means anything else you do will not count in most states. St. Joseph in IL has NO approved residency programs listed with ACGME. Nothing you do there counts in most states. Griffith in CT only has Medicine residency program, so you can only do medicine/subspecialties there. Nothing else counts.

2) In some states, they require IMG's to do majority, if not all of their clinical rotations in hospitals that have FORMAL affiliation agreements withe the medical school. Otherwise, their graduates are not eligible for licensure in these states. Pennsylvania comes to mind off the top of my head.

3) Some states such as NY or CA and others, requires that a medical school be approved by their state boards in order for their graduates to be licensed. CA in particular is very strict about this. Graduates of unapproved medical school by CA board will NOT be eligible for licensure in CA, ever, peroid. No loopholes.

These are things to consider when you do your clinical rotations. Getting an MD is one thing. Being able to be licensed and practice medicine in places you want to go to is a whole other issue. Perhaps some of you may not care about #2 or #3 above. But #1 -- doing rotations only in places with approved ACGME residency programs in the speicalty of your rotation is HUGE!!! Case and point -- I personally know plenty of Carib grads from various schools, including well-established school like Ross, that cannot find residency programs because they cannot be licensed in many states in the US due to unapproved rotations in unacredited programs.

Just a word of caution.

[mindprobe]

I want to thank you Picard...

Picard is describing the very problems that I have heard about as far as licensure in the US. PLEASE PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THIS. You don't want to be an MD who can't get a job!

Research, extensive research, is MANDATORY in this regard. Contact the state in which you intend to get licensed and verify all of this information prior to rotating. It could save you some heartache. I would save this email from Picard if I were you, and refer to it OFTEN.

Just my advice.

[emerson24]

Hey Mind,

Thanks again for the guidance. I hope you understand where I was coming from with my initial "abrasive" letter, if you're committed, being negative about it doesn't help you. And with all the rumors and whatever, you just become agitated (in a sense) after a while. Now I"m just kind of like whatever so people can say what they want, but I certainly like your approach.

If you or anyone can comment on the best way to get the information. I have been emailing asking questions, but as (I think) Teratos pointed out, that doesn't hold much weight and is somewhat incomplete. I think he suggested getting a pamphlet with their rules etc. My problem with this is that their not going to say SPARTAN outright, so I am worried that something may pop up later. It does seem the best way though is to have them mail me something. If I understand correct, these are the things you want to look for or make sure you follow by:

1) If you can have them specify if Spartan can get licensed. (places like Idaho won't license you if your school was established after 1975 ! That is fact. I have the email.

2) That all rotations are ACGME approved - if that is their requirement. However, it seems that you are better off just setting that as your gold standard for doing rotations!

3) That all rotations are from teaching hospitals....Which I think is synonomous with 2.

4) If rotating in their state will inhibit you from gaining licensure.

I'm wondering what else I may need to think of asking or checking on ?

Any input from anyone is appreciated.

[Picard]

You can go onto ACGME's website (do a google search, don't know the address off the top of my head) and check out a specific place/program/hospital to see if they have current ACGME approval for a specific residency program. These change frequently as some programs are placed on probation, dis-acredited on a regular basis with ACGME's on-going reviews.

And keep in mind that it's not just any ACGME approved residency at the hospital. It's ACGME approved residency IN THE SPECIALTY OF YOUR ROTATION, in the hospital. So, having an ACGME approved medicine residency program does NOT mean that you can do surgery/urology... etc in that hospital unless they have ACGME approved residency training in those specialties as well.

As for state licensure requirements, the only sure way to find out is to contact individual state boards yourself and ask specific questions... start with "hi, I'm a student from XYZ medical school in XYZ country. I'm interested in becoming licensed (or doing residency... etc) in your state, can you help me...." Anything else is hearsy. Both ECFMG and FSMB websites have links to all 50 state medical boards... do your homework and look them up. Share informations... what you don't know will hurt you someday. Trying to save money now at the expense of having licensure problems/residency problems down the line is just not worth it. I know too many Carib MD's without jobs because they couldn't get licensed. An unlicensible MD with 20,000 dollar in school debt is much worse than a licensed MD with 200,000 dollar in debt and a steady $150,000 per year job (which describes an average physician fresh out of residency who went to a private school, US or otherwise.) Which one would you want to be 5 years from now?

Best wishes,

P

[dt]

Thanks. I'll take all the advice you can give.


dt

[Kirst]

Thanks for all the constructive inputs everyone!

[dt]

Take a look at this post:

http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?p=24949&highlight=#24949


It happened at Ross.

[emerson24]

Take a look at this post:

http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?p=24949&highlight=#24949


It happened at Ross.

Well, that just goes to show once again, how important it is to keep on top of your paperwork....regardless of where you go. I think it's come to the point where I have just accepted full resposibility for all of my paperwork, and preferrably would like to do it myself. Obviously we all have better things to do with our time, but I'll invest the time and minimize any potential pitfalls. Fortunately, hearing this doesn't change my game plan, just confirms what to potentially expect. But geese, what a nite mare! :roll: