DO NOT GO TO MANIPAL

[rajdoc]

Hello,

My name is rajesh ramaswamy, m.b.b.s. I would like to make a sincere suggestion to those who are prospecting medschool at Manipal. If you can't get into a school here in the USA then better find a different career track. All i can say is Manipal is a fool's paradise which turns into a naightmare of a reality when one goes and joins it. All i can say is my time spent in Manipal was one of major tribulation. It isn't worth the money they charge you. Of all colleges i have seen Manipal is the only place where at least one student dies out of every batch. The social scene there is a joke. People can not be more superficial than those students in KMC. The price of living in Manipal is outrageous. You can't even get hot running water in the apartment flats in Manipal. Simple erands are a chore to perform. The Indian bureaucracy makes official work very impossible to perform. The administration is very unreceptive to students with genuine problems. And sanitation problems predispose every foreigner to bout of hepatitis A. The hostels are the most unhygienic places around and the mess facilities are terribly dirty. Stray animals are allowed to roam freely in the kitchen areas where their feces mingle with the meal prepartions. The mess workers have no sense of disease control and are unhygienic. The hostels lack adequate drainainge making flooding of the lower rooms commonplace during the monsoons. Rats and roaches roam freely in the hostels and rooms which especially are not adequatelyclosed from the elements. The only good lectures are delivered by senior professors who come once ina a while to hold classes. the remainder of classes are taught by uninterested grad students and resident doctors who are more concerned about their professional training. The health care in the college is a joke. The nursing staff is the least bit concerned about the care of patients and frequently are insubordinate to the doctors orders. Many of them demonstrate a total lack of competence. Gossip and fickle mindedness is the order of buisiness there and when professors catch wind of these rumors they exploit the students and extort them for what they can get out of them. Foreigners beware of local students. They are notorious for extorting money from foreign students especially the Americans. They also do their best to undermine the progress of NRI and foreign students from other parts of the world.

[CaliAtenza]

^aite...seriously, most of that is untrue. I just went to manipal a few weeks ago to visit. Hostels were hella clean, the mess halls were nice (no stray animals anywhere, lol). The classrooms were nice as well. The hostel looked preety hygenic to me. About the hot water part...yeah its not there sometimes, but it didnt look like a big deal to me. Actually the hospital didn't look too great, but they had all the state of the art equipment necessary.

[sahana]

i'm going to have to agree with that first post actually. i wasn't doing medicine in manipal (i was doing an undergrad media degree), but most of my friends were, and some still are, in kmc - and my mum went there when she was in uni. frankly i don't think it's changed much since then. i'm from england and i was there for 4 years. the hostels and apartments are definitely NOT clean - apart from the international hostel which is rediculously expensive for what it is, and the size of the rooms is pathetic. the messes and canteens are indescribable. the classrooms have recently improved, as they've just built a new building on the campus, but all the rumours about flooding of the lower level hostels and all the little bugs, insects and particularly lizards is totally true. the nightlife is outrageously dull (there are two clubs er... more like skool discos actually - and if ur a girl, i wudn't expect to go into one of those places and come out quite unscathed. there are plenty of local guys hanging around there just waiting to grab any part of u they can before they slink off into the background, leaving u feeling particularly slimey)... but far worse than all this is a kind of prevailing attitude of illwill from all the local students (and even teachers, if kmc is anything like mic - where i was) towards the so-called nri's. the place is rife with bitchiness and gossip, nobody's genuine and if they're friends with u it's only because they think they might be able to get something out of u in the end. u might say that's true of anywhere - but there's something particularly unpleasant about the manipal lot. i was pretty miserable for the few years i was there, and seriously cudn't wait to get out of that hellhole. i had to pay nri fees as well, so i know how high they are - and they're simply not worth it. if ur a quiet kind of person that keeps urself to urself and only wants to concentrate on ur studies (and doesn't have any particular hangups about hygeine, cleanliness or contracting random diseases) then u shud be ok. but if ur sociable and want to make friends and have fun while ur studying - seriously - find somewhere else! i wish i had...

[havana]

i dont know what to think now because seriously i am into hygiene. :? :? :? :?

even if the local people are as evil as u say they are, why i can just chill with the foreigners and nri's there innit.

i dunno now.. i am confused.

[moonray]

Dear Rajesh,

I know you from Manipal. It is really NOT surprising that this piece of post is from YOU! A person like you cannot have a better opinion about anybody anyway...

You were one of the most "well known" students there ;). Many know about your escapades in the Obstetrics labour room, where the lives of many mothers and the "yet to born" were threatened... If not for the alert staff and timely action, you could have even caused a fatality! This is just one of the examples...

I believe that people can judge you based on this alone...

Hello,

My name is rajesh ramaswamy, m.b.b.s. I would like to make a sincere suggestion to those who are prospecting medschool at Manipal. If you can't get into a school here in the USA then better find a different career track. All i can say is Manipal is a fool's paradise which turns into a naightmare of a reality when one goes and joins it. All i can say is my time spent in Manipal was one of major tribulation. It isn't worth the money they charge you. Of all colleges i have seen Manipal is the only place where at least one student dies out of every batch. The social scene there is a joke. People can not be more superficial than those students in KMC. The price of living in Manipal is outrageous. You can't even get hot running water in the apartment flats in Manipal. Simple erands are a chore to perform. The Indian bureaucracy makes official work very impossible to perform. The administration is very unreceptive to students with genuine problems. And sanitation problems predispose every foreigner to bout of hepatitis A. The hostels are the most unhygienic places around and the mess facilities are terribly dirty. Stray animals are allowed to roam freely in the kitchen areas where their feces mingle with the meal prepartions. The mess workers have no sense of disease control and are unhygienic. The hostels lack adequate drainainge making flooding of the lower rooms commonplace during the monsoons. Rats and roaches roam freely in the hostels and rooms which especially are not adequatelyclosed from the elements. The only good lectures are delivered by senior professors who come once ina a while to hold classes. the remainder of classes are taught by uninterested grad students and resident doctors who are more concerned about their professional training. The health care in the college is a joke. The nursing staff is the least bit concerned about the care of patients and frequently are insubordinate to the doctors orders. Many of them demonstrate a total lack of competence. Gossip and fickle mindedness is the order of buisiness there and when professors catch wind of these rumors they exploit the students and extort them for what they can get out of them. Foreigners beware of local students. They are notorious for extorting money from foreign students especially the Americans. They also do their best to undermine the progress of NRI and foreign students from other parts of the world.

[rajdoc]

If You Have Any Balls Then State Your Point And Identify Yourself.

[SillyDoc]

The "school" is garbage, people leave there and hang out out at Kaplan for a year learning the basic medical sciences. The president of the college, RP, is a criminal, a liar and a fraud. His father was a remarkable person who did good works for the community, but this guy, like many generations coming on the heels of great men, is a worthless tool who has no moral backbone.

It's a small village cut off from civilization, raj doc was right, gossip, judgementalism, and pseudo-moralism from the worst scum of the earth are the name of the game there. it sucks. People, you can do better. If you're in the u.s., just get your prereqs done and you will have excellent choices in the caribbean. real schools with real rules, and a much more efficient and safe path to sit for the board exam. Yes, if there are no other options, then by definition maybe manipal is all right, however there are simply too many real options out there to have to settle for this dump.

with a little bit of effort, and some prereqs, most people can get into smu, mua or st eu. any of these is a far better bet than manipal, and you will have a curriculum geared toward u.s. licensure and doing well on step 1. you won't get that in money-pal and will have to spend a lot of time afterward getting it on your own at Kaplan or 12 hr days in the library for a while. i know whereof i speak, as i have seen both sides of this particular coin, and believe me, the caribbean is by far the better investment of time and money (provided it's not st james, spartan, or some other fly by night joke)

[butters]

woww...it's really sad to read all of this.

i must admit, i've heard many cases of nri's getting backstabbed in academics, money, etc so i can't say the op is lying. also, the teachers are really rough on nri's.

hopefully the admin will straighten things out there.

[Skipper]

i see, that is some quality education in India

skipper

[SOCIALANImaLn]

Does anyone in this thread still go to manipal now?

[hastaluego]

Hello,

My name is rajesh ramaswamy, m.b.b.s. I would like to make a sincere suggestion to those who are prospecting medschool at Manipal. If you can't get into a school here in the USA then better find a different career track. All i can say is Manipal is a fool's paradise which turns into a naightmare of a reality when one goes and joins it. All i can say is my time spent in Manipal was one of major tribulation. It isn't worth the money they charge you. Of all colleges i have seen Manipal is the only place where at least one student dies out of every batch. The social scene there is a joke. People can not be more superficial than those students in KMC. The price of living in Manipal is outrageous. You can't even get hot running water in the apartment flats in Manipal. Simple erands are a chore to perform. The Indian bureaucracy makes official work very impossible to perform. The administration is very unreceptive to students with genuine problems. And sanitation problems predispose every foreigner to bout of hepatitis A. The hostels are the most unhygienic places around and the mess facilities are terribly dirty. Stray animals are allowed to roam freely in the kitchen areas where their feces mingle with the meal prepartions. The mess workers have no sense of disease control and are unhygienic. The hostels lack adequate drainainge making flooding of the lower rooms commonplace during the monsoons. Rats and roaches roam freely in the hostels and rooms which especially are not adequatelyclosed from the elements. The only good lectures are delivered by senior professors who come once ina a while to hold classes. the remainder of classes are taught by uninterested grad students and resident doctors who are more concerned about their professional training. The health care in the college is a joke. The nursing staff is the least bit concerned about the care of patients and frequently are insubordinate to the doctors orders. Many of them demonstrate a total lack of competence. Gossip and fickle mindedness is the order of buisiness there and when professors catch wind of these rumors they exploit the students and extort them for what they can get out of them. Foreigners beware of local students. They are notorious for extorting money from foreign students especially the Americans. They also do their best to undermine the progress of NRI and foreign students from other parts of the world.



lol, this does not surprise me but i've heard pretty much the same from indian students born and raised in the US who go to india. they really get a lot of crap from the rest of the students who think everyone in the United States has money growing in their backyard along with professors who hold that agaisnt them. best advice would be the caribbean.

[nucleus]

lol, this does not surprise me but i've heard pretty much the same from indian students born and raised in the US who go to india. they really get a lot of crap from the rest of the students who think everyone in the United States has money growing in their backyard along with professors who hold that agaisnt them. best advice would be the caribbean.

Well,well,well!
Dont know much about India, except that China and India are the next Super Powers, according to a recent statement by Justice Scalia, a true patriot, at the Federalist Society of America.
But I do see similarities between US and Indian social differences.

A lot of liberals, with a hoi-polloi, better-than-thou-attitude, come to the REAL America(that is the places populated by hard working Americans who do not depend on their POPs money or WELFARE) and DISS everyone off with their PUNGENCY and their arrogant behaviour.

But when the back lash starts , they call us Rednecks.

Good to know India has RED NECKS too.That's some thing to be proud of.
In the US we call ourselves the TRUE PATRIOTS.Guess INDIAN RED NECKS must be the same.
From the greatest democracy,that is USA, to the biggest working democracy,that is India, SALUTIONS!!!

Say NO to ARROGANT rich Good-for-nothing-RARASITES, who ride the world on their RICH POP's coattails!!

[jjj]

I also went to Manipal; what was supposed to be a great school in a great place turned out to be a nightmare, unfortunately the Pais will lie to your face in order to get your american dollars, they are extremely greedy people. As for the school their, completely worthless for anyone in their right mind coming from the states. Most americans that go will- play this high school popularity contest game thing and never progress or grow from their, it is really very pathetic. Rajesh you are a nice guy and I am sorry that we both had to endure that hellhole, I hope that you got into residency or some job that you are happy with now, all I can say to the rest is dont go to manipal , take it from someone who was there and witnessed the accounts of murder , suicide and other horrible things that go on behind the scenes in this place. Seriously this place will mess with your mind and you will never be the same and not in a good way.

[Shobhit2006]

did u do the mbbs 5 year program or the twinning?

[docjoeblack]

its really sad that how some people have real bad time in a place n judge it because of those experiences. well i graduated from manipal n it was the best thing that ever happened to me. i'm a foreigner too n the local students n the locals were extremely nice. not only i learnt about medicine but i learnt so much about life too... i really feel bad that people cant adjust n have bad experience n blame it one the place. i feel it is on of the best place to do medicine especially in india. it ranks one of the top ten medical colleges n the place is really good. the polution level is really the lowest compare to any other part of india n u get to meet all sorts of walks people from different parts of the world. i have lots of americans who did their medicine here n they were all satisfied n extremely happy of their college life here n cannot forget this place.... n about each student dying in every batch... its not true.... i guess the person who wrote this just had real real bad experience in manipal... so he is letting his frustration out thru this forum. i really feel sorry for him...

[Shah_Patel_PT]

Hello,

My name is rajesh ramaswamy, m.b.b.s. I would like to make a sincere suggestion to those who are prospecting medschool at Manipal. If you can't get into a school here in the USA then better find a different career track. All i can say is Manipal is a fool's paradise which turns into a naightmare of a reality when one goes and joins it. All i can say is my time spent in Manipal was one of major tribulation. It isn't worth the money they charge you. Of all colleges i have seen Manipal is the only place where at least one student dies out of every batch. The social scene there is a joke. People can not be more superficial than those students in KMC. The price of living in Manipal is outrageous. You can't even get hot running water in the apartment flats in Manipal. Simple erands are a chore to perform. The Indian bureaucracy makes official work very impossible to perform. The administration is very unreceptive to students with genuine problems. And sanitation problems predispose every foreigner to bout of hepatitis A. The hostels are the most unhygienic places around and the mess facilities are terribly dirty. Stray animals are allowed to roam freely in the kitchen areas where their feces mingle with the meal prepartions. The mess workers have no sense of disease control and are unhygienic. The hostels lack adequate drainainge making flooding of the lower rooms commonplace during the monsoons. Rats and roaches roam freely in the hostels and rooms which especially are not adequatelyclosed from the elements. The only good lectures are delivered by senior professors who come once ina a while to hold classes. the remainder of classes are taught by uninterested grad students and resident doctors who are more concerned about their professional training. The health care in the college is a joke. The nursing staff is the least bit concerned about the care of patients and frequently are insubordinate to the doctors orders. Many of them demonstrate a total lack of competence. Gossip and fickle mindedness is the order of buisiness there and when professors catch wind of these rumors they exploit the students and extort them for what they can get out of them. Foreigners beware of local students. They are notorious for extorting money from foreign students especially the Americans. They also do their best to undermine the progress of NRI and foreign students from other parts of the world.

I agree....I am so glad i went to the caribbean instead!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vibe]

Most of these "Don't go to Manipal" people simply can't adjust to the way people think in India.

All you really need to realize is that India is not the United States of America. People think and act differently across the world. Its usually called culture-shock.

Teachers naturally have different expectations, and different behaviors. In the U.S, most of these quirks are suppressed. Once you get to India though, that tends to stand out more. As long as you just let them be, instead of lashing out and attempting to stand you, they'll like you just fine.

The local students, no matter where you go in India, suffer from Schadenfreude. It basically means they take pleasure from watching other people suffer. Its not really personal or anything, its just a form of entertainment for a majority of them.

As for the suicides, well, what school in the world doesn't have the occasional disturbed fool, and the occasional overdoser?

[vvt1975]

When I left Manipal, I really wanted to get on with my life (which I did). But furthermore, I wanted to let everyone that I could let know to not repeat the mistakes I made. And the biggest mistake I ever made in my life was going to Manipal.

It is kind of funny that I have come across this thread. When I graduated from Manipal, I came across another website like this. And posted what I knew about Manipal. Considering all of it was the truth and really negative, I was lambasted very badly for talking to negatively about India and Manipal (considering I mainly talked about Manipal). No one wanted to hear about how Indians in India mistreat people of their own kind (nay... their own brothers and sisters)... aka... indians of foreign origin. Most people thought I was a doomsayer and that my experiences were limited to me and me alone... hence my reluctance to post anything until now.

Manipal was the most singular defining part of my life that I will never forget. I learned how cruel and horrible the Indian people could be, especially the people who are supposed to be my teachers and educators. They start off by telling you that you are scum, that you are totally devoid of any culture or knowledge of what it is to truly be an Indian. They say that because we were born and raised in a foreign country, we are a sub-human people, even if our parents are from India.

As time went on, you quickly learn that you are punished if you think, try to understand anything, or even ask a question. The best example would be... when you ask a question about any subject matter. The lecturer/teacher/professor will quickly turn the question back on you. And when you say you do not know the answer, they start verbally assailing you and humiliating you. And in the end, you are still left with the same doubt and feeling totally dejected.

The culture of Manipal is often reminiscent of High School, best typified with the spread of rumors and gossip. From the beginning, everyone forms the cliques. If you are not part of the cool kid group, you often get alienated. And when the professors find out every single detail about you, the will use it against you.

On top of the teachers there in general hating people of foreign origin, it takes very little to be singled out for extreme punishment. All you got to do is be born tall to earn the ire of a short professor. And in your vain hope of justice, when you try to seek it, you are further chastised and punished.

God... I have not even gone into the filth that is pervasive aruond the place. Back in my day, most of my classmates ended up renting a room at the nearest star hotel called Valley View. After I left, I heard AC Hostels had opened up. But the cost was quite extreme. And the curfews to all the hostels quite restrictive.

I could go on and on. Let me just say this... if you are from outside of India, DO NOT GO TO MANIPAL. If you have been there, hopefully therapy and time will help you forget the place.

[vvt1975]

Most of these "Don't go to Manipal" people simply can't adjust to the way people think in India.

All you really need to realize is that India is not the United States of America. People think and act differently across the world. Its usually called culture-shock.

Teachers naturally have different expectations, and different behaviors. In the U.S, most of these quirks are suppressed. Once you get to India though, that tends to stand out more. As long as you just let them be, instead of lashing out and attempting to stand you, they'll like you just fine.

The local students, no matter where you go in India, suffer from Schadenfreude. It basically means they take pleasure from watching other people suffer. Its not really personal or anything, its just a form of entertainment for a majority of them.

As for the suicides, well, what school in the world doesn't have the occasional disturbed fool, and the occasional overdoser?

I see here a doomsayer who will discount what every here has said. How can one adapt to a people from the very start who say they not only do not like you, but hate you... and for what... your only sin being that you were born to a better life outside of India? What do you say when they say you are devoid of any culture or knowledge of the culture of India? What are you supposed to say when you are totally humiliated for simply asking your teacher to do what they are supposed to do... teach?

[Vibe]

I'm curious to know, where in the world do you see the poor accepting the rich? Or the rich accepting the poor, for that matter?

The people in India, and people like us come from two different worlds. We grew up in a different culture trying to fit in. They grew up in a culture that stunts their growth from the very beginning. They ended up tougher, and we ended up trying to be white.

The normal students at Manipal have every right to dislike the students who get in on the Quota. They studied day and night to get into that place, and they took out loans that they can't afford to pay off. Us? We just walked in on decent high school grades, and parents with a decent salary. Why shouldn't they dislike us from the start?

The point for us is to prove to them that we're as good as they are, and that we don't want to cause more trouble for them. Fostering a hostile environment doesn't help them, or help us. They'll be a little abrasive the first few days, or months. Just ignore it, and attempt to be nice, and they'll eventually realize that:

1.) We don't give a damn, and we won't give a damn.
2.) Theres no point in continuing it any further.

As for the teachers, they're given extraordinary license in India. Why? That is simply because talented teachers don't exist. Its a basic supply and demand principle. There is a huge demand for GOOD teachers in India, and not enough supply. So the ones that are good, and talented, get to do whatever it is they please. Fighting them won't you anywhere, and failing you won't get them anywhere.

By the way, for all of you people who passed out of the University, stop posting this nonsense. All you're doing is fostering a preconceived notion that Manipal is a hateful place, and thats what any NRI going in has to expect. Now, every new NRI is going in LOOKING for hostile behavior, and when they see it, they overreact.

Let me tell you a story. A man went to a psychiatrist about a dream he had. He wanted to kill his wife for leaving him. He described it very vividly for the doctor, and the doctor was obviously disturbed by it. He made a video, and then showed it to the man's wife. The wife, being a normally dramatic person, immediately went to the police for protection and a restraining order. The man was devastated. His business was falling, because everyone believed him to be unstable. So, he went to his wife's house, to get her to recant the statement, and stop the whole issue. His wife, being on alert, decided not to listen to him, went hysterical, and shot the man in the head.

All of that occurred because one psychiatrist couldn't keep his mouth shut. Now, I realize that some of you might have had deeply damaging effects from Manipal, but get over it already. You're successful practicing doctors already, or are in residency in good places. There's no need for you to keep harboring a grudge anymore. Its not helping you, or anyone else. Get over it.

[Vibe]

I see here a doomsayer who will discount what every here has said. How can one adapt to a people from the very start who say they not only do not like you, but hate you... and for what... your only sin being that you were born to a better life outside of India? What do you say when they say you are devoid of any culture or knowledge of the culture of India? What are you supposed to say when you are totally humiliated for simply asking your teacher to do what they are supposed to do... teach?

You are an NRI, act like it. Don't wallow in the same cesspool of "No one understands my problems" that every fool does. We're supposed to be special, because we can understand the way people in India think, as well as the people in America. We're the real connection between East and West.

If you honestly have no cultural knowledge of India, then that happens to be your parents' fault. Mine raised me to know what India is like, and what the culture of India is. I may not be religious, but I do know major aspects of Hinduism, and Islam. Regardless of that, I possess something known as common sense. That allows me to realize what is socially acceptable, and what is not.

I've never enjoyed bullying on the playground when I was a child, and I certainly don't intend to let it happen when I'm 18 and in college. What I did learn from my experiences on the playground was that most bullies have problems of their own, and they're simply looking for an outlet. You need to establish, in the most peaceful manner possible, that you are NOT and outlet for them.

Earn their respect. If they think you got in on money and no talent, then perhaps you should have worked hard, and demonstrated that you do have talent. Instead, you chose to sit around and whine that people didn't like you. From what I gather, that attitude didn't exactly get you far.

[Lucky60]

Hello Vibe, I really appreciate your post. It is true that people, who have problems in adjusting themselves in Indian culture, always try to find out faults from others. Before applying and going to India, we should know well about Indian culture and Indian education system. Indian education system is entirely different than American/Canadian education system. There teachers have full authority on students. I still remeber, when our teachers were beating us for not completing home work even in grade 10 & 11. This does not happen in American/Canadian system. Other side of picture is most of Indian Doctors and engineers are very successfull professionals in America/ Canada even in whole of world. Indians have made there own image in world being a well educated professionals. When we go to India for study, not only we get good education there but good Indian values too. We need to show Indian students that, of course we entered in school through different route, but we are not less intellegent than them. We are also born and brought up with Indian culture.
Vibe, Please keep on posting stuff that motivate people of Indian Origin.

[Vibe]

Its more like this, Indian people have this entirely "holier than thou" attitude about themselves. They believe themselves to be better than us, because we talk to girls, and because some of us choose to drink.

Lets consider this though. America isn't the country with the largest amount of HIV cases. As Justice Scalia and his ilk are found are saying, India and China are the next superpowers, in everything from nukes to HIV cases.

I went to school in India for 11th and 12th, and it is entirely true that everyone is superficial here. Its a hypocritical environment here, and the only ones that are capable of surviving, are the ones that don't give a damn. In India, everything is perfectly acceptable, as long as its an Indian that does it. If its one of us, it becomes entirely deplorable.

Thats the environment there. Blaming this and that isn't going to get any of us anywhere. You can sit around and blame everyone from Ramdas Pai to GG Christo, but the fact remains, the ONLY one to ever blame is yourself. If you're going to act like you're special because you're an NRI, then you really do deserve everything that comes to you.

If you attempt to gain the respect of those around you, then it works out. As all of us here know, respect is always earned, not given. Going around claiming that our parents earn money in Dollars or Euros isn't the best way to get people to like you. Its being funny, interesting, and generally like-able. We aren't celebrities. We're normal students, attempting to go to school like every single one of the millions of kids out there.

[Soniasha]

i totally agree with u Vibe. I was very dissappointed in people who post this kind of stuff, which not only is biased but is also affecting the decision that others make after reading the post.

All i have to say to these people is that accept the fact that the only reason they are doing residency or are successful doctors is because of Manipal (regardless of what experiences they had over there).

Hence, everyone should make decisions based on their true research and not after reading biased opinions of certain people.

[Shobhit2006]

amen ^^^ :rolleyes: :D

[Vibe]

So, now that we've established that we shouldn't listen to these people, what shall we do next?

[SillyDoc]

Contrary to the attempts of some to paint it as such, this is not a culture clash issue. It's an issue of corruption and illegal activities that go on in the wretched little village of Manipal.

You do not have to ask questions, or be in the face of the locals, or do anything wrong, or be some sort of "partyer" if that's a word, to go through hell in manipal. in fact, you don't have to do anything wrong at all. what you do have to do is play their sick, criminal games of bribery and lies, put up with all the abuse and the hate.

For example: they started a program in the mid 90s that was in existence for three years. never accredited for one day during its existence. the students who completed "basic sciences" there were not allowed to take step 1 since you have to go to an accredited school for that.

so what did manipal admin do? they bribed the university of west indies administration into certifying the students of the unaccredited school as having studied basic sciences in the univ of west indies, despite the fact that they never had set foot in uwi for their basic sciences.

and furthermore, when i informed the ecfmg of all this, they simply could not have cared less. i will not say too much more about this since i am registered with the ecfmg and i don't think it's in my best interest to spar with the gatekeeper of the american medical system for foreign students. however, what i have said is the truth and if the day comes where i have to stand up and say it in a court of law under oath, i shall be most happy and proud to do so.

many good points have been made in the discussion here. but it is a somewhat superfluous discussion that ignores the basic fact: manipal is a place where illegality, corruption, bribery, rampant deceit occurs every day and is the rule, not the exception.

the fact that people actually practice medicine with a worthless degree from that dump is just a testimony to the skills of Kaplan and nothing else. the step 1 after all is a test covering a finite body of information. i would imagine the "doctors" from KMC are fairly well rested following several years of their third-rate education where they mainly learned to pay bribes, witness atrocities and keep their mouths shut, and suck up to those in charge no matter what criminals they may be.

personally, i have a goal of shutting that place down one day. although the ecfmg did not listen to me despite my giving them thorough details of the fraud that took place (how hard would it be--simply through checking passports and the like----that students had never set foot on a campus where they supposedly did their basic sciences), perhaps in the future if i can make a worthy and positive contribution to this most noble and honorable of professions, maybe just maybe i can acquire the credibility to help shut down a stinking cesspool of lies, greed, and treachery. although i would like to note that it shouldn't require all that......the job of the ecfmg is to investigate such allegations, which they did not do. i know it's a remarkable organization responsible for importing much talent into the health care of this country, but they dropped the ball on this one and i can reasonably infer they did so in other cases as well. but now with the internet and free speech able to be widely disseminated and examined.....i sincerely believe the longevity of places like manipal and the corrupt family that runs it is very short-lived.

really, i would love for a lawsuit to stem from the words written here and in other posts. it's really high time to pull the curtain on that place and expose it for the genuinely evil place that it is. and whoever happened to get rubber-stamped thru on the basis of bribes and obsequiousness, don't go thinking yourself all high and mighty.....the u.s. med system has flaws, one of which is to allow students from bogus schools to even take the step 1, there should be a modicum of actual medical education from a school that at least attempts to follow the law rather than regularly flouting it.

[Vibe]

SillyDoc, have you actually gone to Manipal?

All I see is this crap about illegal activities going on. A program occurred SIXTEEN years ago, that was shut down, for whatever reason. What would you have Manipal do?

Tell every student that was enrolled in the program to go to hell, and then throw them out? They have a moral and ethical responsibility to give students what they pay for. These are students that gave away other possible opportunities, and also paid quite a bit of money.

The world is rarely ever black and white. Things happen that you might not like, so what? Get over it.

You can never shut Manipal down, because contrary to what you believe, most schools, ANYWHERE in the world, are a business. The majority of businesses cover their ***** when they do things.


For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that you are a doctor. Given which case, it would probably be about six or seven years since you've been in Manipal, if you actually attended. Lots of things change in six or seven years. The fact that you've held this grudge for this long is an insult to you, not to Manipal.


Give it up already. For every one student who comes up with the "OMFG MANIPAL SUCKS" slogan, there are 50 more who say its the best place on Earth.

[SillyDoc]

Your post contains so many misconceptions, big and small, that I hardly know where to begin.

First of all, a school bribing another school to illegally certify students as having studied basic sciences in a school they did not set foot in during their basic sciences is not simply good business practice, IT IS A CRIME and a pretty huge one. And it could have been, and still could be, easily verified simply by checking their passports and noting they were nowhere near, not even within a few thousand miles, of the school they supposedly did their basic sciences.

Secondly, the manipal program in question was shut down nine years ago, not sixteen, but thank you for displaying your lack of mastery of second-grade math.

Third, whatever the students paid and lost is their problem for selecting an UNACCREDITED school as their vehicle of choice for a medical education.

Fourth, kindly do not assume anything about me since you know nothing about me. Whether I'm a doctor, how long I was in money-pal, and the rest is a smokescreen you throw up to divert from the real issues. Yes, I was in manipal for virtually the full length of this fraudulent program they ran in the mid 90s, i.e. a few years. But silly me, I had always planned on learning medicine when enrolling in med school, not having half my time taken up by a criminal administration who likes to find the quiet, reticent students and harass them for personal entertainment. So I left there with years of my life and a huge amount of money gone with nothing to show for it and after some PTSD that went on longer than it should (that I concede) I enrolled in a real medical school and am progressing along in the system.

But it doesn't mean that I should now turn a blind eye to all the crimes and wrongdoing I saw in Manipal. On the contrary, in order to bring something good out of that mess, I want to forewarn others of what place, those people, that school, and that "administration" is like. And I am pleased to note that over the years, I have received numerous private messages on this forum from individuals asking for clarification on what I have said, or re-affirming the same, or thanking me for my input and making them aware of the hidden side of Money-pal, the one you don't see until you are actually there and the glossy brochures and slick phone calls and emails have receded to reveal the true nature of the place and the criminals that run it.

[Vibe]

If a program ran in the 1990's, and it is now 2007, how many years is that?

You simply CANNOT judge a school based on what you saw in the past. India itself is vastly different from what it once was, and so is the system in place.

If you had gone to Manipal and graduated last year, your posts might have had some value. You quite obviously did not.

Your ONLY real complaint is that they committed a slight amount of fraud with the UWI. Once again, so what? You cannot slap a lawsuit based on that, and the ECFMG won't investigate that claim. Do you know why that is? Its because it was so long ago that it doesn't make a difference to anyone.

What can happen though, if you attempt to bring any of the posts on this board to light, is that Manipal can slam you with a slander and defamation suit. Everything you've been saying is tantamount to libel, since the UWI isn't going to help you prove your claim. The students who were part of that issue aren't. You have NOTHING.

[SillyDoc]

I clearly stated the "program" was begun in the mid 90s, existed for three years and was shut down, hence in the late 90s. therefore, it was shut down less than a decade ago, not "sixteen" years ago. don't just pull numbers out of your rear end, but then again since all your information originates from there, big surprise.....

secondly, the fraud i described is not minor except to people like you. since you are so comfortable with overt and blatant criminal fraud, go ahead and go to manipal, you will fit right in.

as far as the possibility of a lawsuit by manipal, bring it on. those who live in glass houses know better than to throw stones. as i said before, i would LOVE for a lawsuit to stem from my direct and detailed accusations here. i am not being vague or beating around the bush hinting at wrongdoing, i have clearly and openly outlined it and will stand by it in a court of law under oath. i think a lawsuit would only hasten the demise of this dump calling itself a med school.

oh and one last thing.....you seem to be confused about the role of criminals in society. i would expect no help from either uwi or the students who participated in this fraud. you see, they are the criminals in this. generally speaking, criminals do not participate in the prosecution of their own crimes. i am sorry you are apparently too delusional to understand this simple fact.

[Vibe]

Have you personally been harmed by one of the doctors who came out of that discontinued program?

Do you know anyone who has been?

Lastly, why do you even care?

[docraj]

hey jjj write me an email at rajmbbs@gmail.com

[Chilltown319]

Originally Posted by vvt1975 http://www.valuemd.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.valuemd.com/asian-medical-schools/26324-do-not-go-manipal-post560513.html#post560513)
I see here a doomsayer who will discount what every here has said. How can one adapt to a people from the very start who say they not only do not like you, but hate you... and for what... your only sin being that you were born to a better life outside of India? What do you say when they say you are devoid of any culture or knowledge of the culture of India? What are you supposed to say when you are totally humiliated for simply asking your teacher to do what they are supposed to do... teach?


You are an NRI, act like it. Don't wallow in the same cesspool of "No one understands my problems" that every fool does. We're supposed to be special, because we can understand the way people in India think, as well as the people in America. We're the real connection between East and West.

If you honestly have no cultural knowledge of India, then that happens to be your parents' fault. Mine raised me to know what India is like, and what the culture of India is. I may not be religious, but I do know major aspects of Hinduism, and Islam. Regardless of that, I possess something known as common sense. That allows me to realize what is socially acceptable, and what is not.

I've never enjoyed bullying on the playground when I was a child, and I certainly don't intend to let it happen when I'm 18 and in college. What I did learn from my experiences on the playground was that most bullies have problems of their own, and they're simply looking for an outlet. You need to establish, in the most peaceful manner possible, that you are NOT and outlet for them.

Earn their respect. If they think you got in on money and no talent, then perhaps you should have worked hard, and demonstrated that you do have talent. Instead, you chose to sit around and whine that people didn't like you. From what I gather, that attitude didn't exactly get you far.


I just came across this post and felt i should respond to it....

I went to manipal myself....graduated.. finished end of may 2005...passed all my usmles and now will be entering residency in june 2007......

Now you all may be wondering why am i writing on this post....its not to say anything positive about manipal I assure you.

Now I dont know what you were smoking in medical school VIBE. But it must be something crazy....I have never read such bologna about Manipal my whole life.

I was a First Class Student in my 2nd, 3rd and Final Year. You would think that an accomplishment like that would earn the respect of my teachers and my classmates who are from India itself.

EEEEH WRONG!!

From the day we all walk into manipal we learn that we are nothing but the lower class of Kasturba Medical College. What right did I have to be treated in such a way? Just because my parents paid for my seat? My parents loved enough to pay that kind of money for me to be in a better place in life than most people...What gives the manipal people especially the teachers to degrade me just because of that fact. I understand that the locals studied for their seat. But at the same time....I earned the same grades as most of the locals in medical school and they still looked down at me...

VIBE, you say that we should be more understanding because we are indian americans and thus we should sympatize with both worlds. What kind of bull is that? These indians would talk behind our back, make fun of us that we are not as smart as them...but at the same time, run to file a visa to the united states and will do anything be in the USA. Even marry someone....how many people i knew in college who had told me on my face that they are getting married and when asked why, because i get a greencard. This after all the years these people degraded us nris by calling us stupid, spoiled kids.

Another thing, Manipal has never had any indian culture because the adminstration is too busy trying trying to make that part of India into USA. Manipal has no culture, manipals only culture is if you have money you are good enough for them and if ur not, forget it.

Manipal is a place, that can suck the life out of you. Manipal is full of bullies. And those bullies are the teachers and the rest of the administration. If you are NRI, they rip you apart because you are nri, and treat u like gold if you are local.....even if you earn the same grades as them.....

The teachers never taught, i taught myself by reading on my own and doing the questions.

There are so many things more i can say about manipal......Some good some bad,....The good, the fact i walked away with 4 of my closest friends in the world who have taught me that i deserve much better that what manipal gave me...but as i always believed i would have met them regardless because u are meant to met certain people no matter what or where......but thats the only good i can think of....

My medical degree was earned because of my hard work......I will never have anyone tell me that i have to thank manipal for that. Cause it was all me and my family standing behind me.

I have one thing left to say to you VIBE. Your last comment of ur quote was that vvt1975's attitude did not get him far......that quite possibly was the most stupidest thing i have ever heard. Ill have you know that he is a surgical resident here in the US and in about less than 2 years he will be a general surgeon....which very few from manipal can be proud of.. because thanks to the way manipal treated us, alot of manipalites gave up on medicene and never became doctors in the United States....

The only reason i replied to this is because, i feel VIBE you should seriously stop defending such a vile college esp since it seems you never attended it. :bored:

[Vibe]

Its no wonder you had such a great time at Manipal, crying and whining the amount you do.

[Chilltown319]

Its no wonder you had such a great time at Manipal, crying and whining the amount you do.


Sweetheart, im not a whiner, Im a fighter....and your just someone who cant handle the fact that Manipal is a place that sucked the life out of one too many a people. Too bad ur one of the VERY FEW that have a good opinion of that place.

[Vibe]

Yes, and I'm also partially insane. Thats doesn't make a real difference does it?

Point is, you guys are the ones that can't let go. In the grand scheme of things, is five and a half years really a long time?

I spent the last five minutes looking over my life, short as it has been, and discovered that I only really started living around twelve or so. Thats twelve years thrown away, where I really did nothing. I moved on.

You should too.

By the way, I don't really blame the locals at all for not accepting you. I wouldn't either, if I went through what they did. You actually have to see the amount of effort these kids put in just to get into Manipal, IIT, or any other good place in India.

Its not like the U.S where anyone and their mom can get a 1580 easily on the SAT.

[Vibe]

Perhaps I should rephrase myself though.

I'm not saying that Manipal is a great place, or a crappy one for that matter. Personally, I find it rather useless to judge.

What I really want to get across is that you shouldn't be complaining about it. You made the decision to go there. Perhaps you just weren't able to get into a med school in the U.S. I wouldn't know, and I certainly don't care.

You decided that in some strange way, it would be better to save approx. three years, perhaps four and a few thousand dollars that you wouldn't have really had to pay if you managed it right, to go to Manipal. I assume that you at least made a visit to the place. Perhaps you didn't have then intellect to actually talk to a few people there.

It was, at the end of the day, your decision. The decision of an 18 year old, with enough experience to see if a place was good or not. You really have no right at all to continue to whine about it, since the majority of people I've spoken to, including a few who are currently attending med school in Manipal, have a favorable opinion of the place.

Your friends gave up on medicine, you say. Perhaps they were never cut out for it from the start. I'd commend them on their decision to stay out of a profession they don't enjoy.



As for how the locals, the ones that actually did work to get in. Are you going to tell me that you've never acted like a jealous, immature brat in your entire life? Remember, the only real impression they have of America is what they see in the movies, T.V, and what relatives act like when they show up. Thats essentially miniskirts, accents, beaches, expensive cars, expensive alcohol, credit cards, and mainly MONEY. Vast, mind-numbing, copious amounts of money. It never occurred to you that they just might be jealous?

[DOCplucinski]

guys, seriously DON'T GO TO MANIPAL

they have dinosaurs there

[Chilltown319]

Thank You Dr. Plucinski!!!!!;)

[DOCplucinski]

Thank You Dr. Plucinski!!!!!;)
this thread needed some comic relief

[Vibe]

Dinosaurs, you say? Do they have Barney?

[SillyDoc]

vibe, why don't you try actually starting at the "school" in manipal before posing as an expert on the place? chillpill over there just pointed out what a lousy place and all he is is someone who actually spent years there, unlike you, someone who poses as the authority on manipal when in fact you know nothing about it. anyway, your arrogance should make you fairly likely to be singled out by the administration for harassment (they like to pick on the really quiet students and the really arrogant ones, and I have no problem with victimization of the latter), and I think you are just the type they use for personal entertainment.

[Vibe]

My my.


Let me this simple for you. Perhaps I'll even use medical terms that you'll recognize, given that you and your fellow nay-sayers are now "Respected surgeons".

You're a *********.

Now, I realize that you "surgeons" might not know what that is, but thankfully, thats what the Internet is for.

All you've done so far is make a rather large amount of accusations, and you have not provided a SINGLE shred of evidence for any of them. So, prove it. A sound-byte, or perhaps a video. Something, so that we may all hang our hats on your sound judgment.


Do you seriously believe that I intend to walk into a private institution that I pay for, and let myself be bullied around by:

A.) Dimwits such as yourself, who by some chance harbor some vengeance or the other.

B.) Staff you claim is evil, and has nothing better to do than victimize first year students.


If so, I sincerely hope that whatever HMO covers you, drops you. For the sake of their money.

[shubhi_the_best]

hey... read all the posts... was amazed at some and amused at some.... planning to go to manipal myself... i have friends studying there... and i guess its not that bad a place after all... and being born n brought up india would help of course... im not saying that ppl there are good/bad or ppl here are good/bad.... its just that the frequencies of the two types of ppl do not match... and indians born n brought up in india are just a bit more better at adjusting to the culture shock.....
one of the posts said that ppl would definitely dislike us coz they worked there *** off for that seat in manipal... and we just get good grades in school and get into manipal... im saying this coz i have done my high school in india and i wouldnt even have thought of gettng into manipal if wanted to pursue medicine from india... its only because im here that i can think of getting into it... this is definilty the easiest way of getting into manipal.....

[SillyDoc]

to go there as an indian living in india is one thing, but to go there as someone who cannot get admitted to any school that has ANY requirements for admission is another matter. people who are too lazy to do prereqs for admission or maintain even a remotely decent gpa and have to resort to manipal have no business in medicine or in any graduate study involving lives.

[shubhi_the_best]

yup thats right.... we have no other way of becoming a doc... and thats y we go to manipal.... thats y i am planning to go there... and that is y i am saying that ppl already there would hate us coz they have done all the hard work in the world to get into that school... i have done my high school from india and have lived 20 years of my life in india... till the time i was in india... i wouldnt have dreamt to go to manipal.... theres just too much competition to get there..... and now only coz i am a permanent resident in the usa and can afford to pay the fees i can think of going there...
and also there also a culture gap for ppl born and brought up outside india... no matter how much our parents teach us how india is... the fact will remain that it is an alien place for us... visiting ur grandparents once a year will not familiarise us with the culture the thought process and the life of india.... i had all the problems in the world when i moved to UK.... my parents too had loads of problems when they moved to usa... and in the similar way ppl born outside india will have problems settling in india...
its no use whining about it.. it is a natural process to feel the way u guys do when u move to a new place.... and its natural for those guys as well to feel bad when they see few ppl come and study with them just coz they are NRI's...

[miniB]

I totally agree with Shubhi...I spend my 18 yrs of my life in India...finish my high school back home....Its really hard to get admission in Manipal....I still remember after finishinn my high...I went to give enterance test....There were students in thousands of numbers....all worked hard...but due to limited seats and huge competition...few got in...the reason I can think of going to manipal is becoz I'm in US....

See every institute has merits and demerits...Name one that is perfect???But the thing is how u adjust...We feel that local students hates us..(maybe some of u actually been hated)....Lemme be honest if I worked hard all day and night for a one or two years (as some student do) to get in Manipal and after all that I see some students getting in easliy by quota system (NRI seats)....Somewhere in my mind I would have feeling of jealousy...but it would be just for a while....Its human nature...

See all locals are not the same...I knw that if u talk to them, try to knw them..communicate with em...they would eventually change their thinking towards us....they would be really friendly and helpful to us....I'm just saying this based on my experience....I have prepared myself..I still have doubts in my mind, who doesn't?? eventually I figure out things...

At the end choice is ours...nobody can force Anybody...Even reading this thread, some students would have no even changed their minds abt going to Manipal....

lets just share our experience rather than back talking to each other....so that every student who reads this thread figure out how to prepare themselves...Life is not easy as we always think it is....Peace...Best of luck to all...Mini.

[SillyDoc]

Your point about civility is well-taken. One should frame the debate in more objective terms.

The issues are really of those of corruption, bribery, and criminal actvities of Kasturba Medical College, Manipal and its administration and faculty.

[shubhi_the_best]

i agree that india has bribery and corruption... but which criminal activities are you talking about? University shootings take place only virginia not manipal... dont kno what american born desi's have against there own country... its really a pity u guys cant identify with the place u actually belong

[ilovecommonsense]

come onnnnnnnn...dont let these fools trick you! they dont even know about you're dimples...plus if i hear anything about anyone trying to beat you up...i'll murdalize them...ps i love you.

[ilovecommonsense]

are u crazy...of course it was me!!!!

[ilovecommonsense]

....crazy lady.

[ilovecommonsense]

tell your parents i said hello!

[ilovecommonsense]

i fell asleep beheath the flowers....for a couple of hours, day dream!!!!

[ilovecommonsense]

one last post.....FRIGGEN DIMPLES GUY

[ilovecommonsense]

this is better than MSN...except no one responds....actually its quite similar to MSN....wow i have a lack of friends for real guy. anyways....dimplesssssssssssss.

[ilovecommonsense]

i met this girl when i was 10 years old, and what i loved the most was she had so much soul...she was old school when i was just a shorty, never knew through out my life she would be there for me.

[ilovecommonsense]

friggen go to sleep.

[mahila]

hi,
I was just wondering about the format of the tests and exams in manipal. For biology courses are they all multiple choices or short answers? Please help. Thank you.

[pdesai06]

Hey! I'm a 2nd year undergraduate at an American university, and I'm looking into Manipal. I have a question for the MBBS NRI graduates. After you finished schooling at Manipal, did you take a Kaplan course for the USLME's or was there some kind of prep course there at Manipal? The schools in the Caribbean are geared toward the USMLE's and you actually receive an MD degree. I'm just trying to compare the different med school processes in different countries.

Also, I've heard that at Manipal, there is no summer break after your 1st year. In 2nd year you go straight from January to December. Aside from the culture shock issues, corrupt administration complaints, and NRI demoralization, do you think it's really worth your time to get an MBBS and study in a place that isn't directed towards prepping their students to practice in the US?

Thanks! Hope to hear from you soon!

[excited7356]

Hey VIBE. I understand that many students worked day and night and took out loans to get to manipal and I understand the frustration they would have towards NRI students BUT THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM ANY RIGHT TO TAKE IT OUT ON US!!!!!! we didn't ask to be born and brought up in USA and have a nice lifestyle. I think we have to learn to accept the things they are and respect each other for what they have. on contrary, if a NRI student is going around and acting like he is better than everyone, then students have right to be against him and treat him like an outsider. Also i think students from US don't have an easy ride also -they also work very hard and are equally determined to become physicians.

I am glad people are sharing their experiences at manipal - from what i hear and seen, manipal DEFINITELY does not seem like the right university to be in.

PLEASE, ANYONE, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT MANIPAL, NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE, PLEASE POST IT!!! IT CAN ONLY HELP OTHERS LIKE MYSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS!! LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, I WOULD RATHER KNOW HOW THE UNIVERSITY IS INSTEAD OF PAYING ABUNDANCE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND NOT KNOWING WHAT I AM GETTING MYSELF INTO!!!!

THANK YOU!!:)

[kantoronto]

I guess every person is meant to have their own experience. It'll be in everyone's best interest if they read everything here in an objective manner and do not expect anything.

[sonypony]

WHAT A USELESS POST

I can prove every one of ur claims wrong but I won't, cuz it would be a waste of my time since u obviously have pulled 90% of that post out from ur behind.

Looks like u were here in the ancient days or something... wake up buddy, manipal's changed.. stop misleading the new kids based on ur old experiences.

One more thing, if u can't help a person out, then just keep ur mouth shut.. look at u, being an MBBS and telling pre-meds to change their career choice... what a hypocrite. And little do you realize, the more you badmouth the place, the more it makes you look bad because YOU, mister are a Manipal graduate, and every aspect of ur career and even who u are has been influenced by Manipal...so show some gratitude for god's sakes. And stay outta the Labor room... lol

[kdpk]

Being a diplomat, and have studied in all continents around the world - I have experianced several different attitudes among people, and the only thing i can say is that you have to adapt to your environment. Be passive the first two weeks, take notice of what is accepted to talk about and what is not. Considering that Im only half indian, and hardly know anything about the Indian culture,makes me the last person to post in such a thread. However, it seems like manipal is portrayed as a prison, making the students horrible inmates - I hardly believe this is the case.

During my first year in upper grad. school, I studied in a slum, 'gangster' area in scandinavia. Instead of becoming an outcast, i myself, adapted to their attitude in order to make friends- I even started rapping yo.

During my second year I moved to Norway - where the attitudes were quite different. Arrogant, rich, white brats braging over money and what not.. Yet, I adapted to their mindset - and after a while I really connected with these people.

Considering what ive read, it seems like manipal is portrayed as a prison, making the foreign students bullied inmates. However, considering that Indians usually are very disciplined and hard working - I hardly believe it would be any worse than what ive experianced before. What my point really is - is that you have to adapt to other people's standards. I know that it might be hard to create a new identity, pretending to be someone you'r not - nonetheless, it really pays off in the long run as you start connecting with these people; and finally can be your normal self..


peace

[sonypony]

SillyDoc, looks like u are frustrated because you came to Manipal and had to leave with an incomplete degree.... well my sympathies are with you but wake up, that hardly gives you the credibility to COMMENT on the value of an MBBS degree frm KMC!

BOTTOM LINE for all of those who even after 5 yrs and a degree later STILL DONT GET IT is that people who are graduating from KMC are getting nothing less than 90 percentiles on their Step 1, and I am talking about FRESH GRADUATES, not those from programs that were started in "the '90s". So before some of you decide to make career choices based on such posts, pay heed to WHO is writing and the context from whch they are referring please!

[GodzillaBorland]

BOTTOM LINE for all of those who even after 5 yrs and a degree later STILL DONT GET IT is that people who are graduating from KMC are getting nothing less than 90 percentiles on their Step 1, and I am talking about FRESH GRADUATES, not those from programs that were started in "the '90s".

That is pretty impressive and speaks volumes for the quality of the students and the education at Manipal. Just out of curiosity - if this number higher than the ones from Ramachandra etc. Also how long after graduating from KMC, do the students typically enter residency?

[joyw]

hey butters, what is nri?




woww...it's really sad to read all of this.

i must admit, i've heard many cases of nri's getting backstabbed in academics, money, etc so i can't say the op is lying. also, the teachers are really rough on nri's.

hopefully the admin will straighten things out there.

[GodzillaBorland]

NRI Non-resident Indian

[sonypony]

That is pretty impressive and speaks volumes for the quality of the students and the education at Manipal. Just out of curiosity - if this number higher than the ones from Ramachandra etc. Also how long after graduating from KMC, do the students typically enter residency?


Not just impressive but it is a POINT OF ACTUAL RELEVANCE when one is choosing a medical school, unlike the unending lists of insignificant details that some nitpickers here are advertising. People, pls shake yourselves up and put things into a lil perspective here!!

Ok... now that I've cooled down a little...to answer your question I go to manipal, so I know these details are for real, and I'm talking about seniors of mine who went home and got into residency within 1 yr or 2 yrs at the most. No idea about Ramachandra.

[shambhavigupta]

In which batch you are in manipal ?

[askj96]

hi plp..

i graduated frm manipal some yrs bck n yup wut is written by rajesh is not completely true.

yep i admit that there have been days when i cursed manipal when i was there..but i guess every student who stays away frm home has those feelings and some small irregularities (in manipal colleges) catalised with these feeling make the student feel that manipal is worse than hell but trust me its not..

well not sure if there really were stray animals in the kitchen, but its quite possible that a frustated student may hav mistook a kitchen staff for a stray animal :rolleyes: Any way.. if i were to spot a stray animal i wud hav taken some drastic steps against the auths rather just writing it on a thread..

Yep agreen when compared to hygiene standards of USA, the hygiene starndards of Manipal may appear low for westenized plp but when compared to other colleges n institutions all over asia manipal for sure can be ranked as one of the better ones..
when one decides to come over to study in India he/she has to be mentally prepared to accept chnged.. ( u cant ask a ESkimo to go to the Sahara desert in his Eskimo suit on, he will hav chnge himself ) if you cant accept the fact tht ur in a different part of the world then.. its U who made the wrong choice of comming to manipal... I agree that manipal has way to go to reach the standards of the western world but that wont happen over night and such process takes time.

About the senior faculty not being avaible for most of the classes i would not be in a position to comment on it coz i personnally never experienced such a incident.. Manipal is a huge organization and i agree to the fact that there may b times when there may not b adequate faculty for all subjects but this situation is not necessarily intentional.. it may arise due to attrition or any emergency.. this can happen in any big educational institute in the world...

No hard feeling here rajesh.. as i admited earlier i did hav my share of bad days in Manipal including a accident where i had to b admitted in KMC for a couple of months..but trust me Manipal is not bad at all and
i do miss it manipal..:) and also the common connection between all of us here on this Thread is also manipal...

Conclusion :-
In my opinion no one shud and can jump to conclusion abt any place being good or bad..
b prepared and go with a open mind to any new place..

and for those who r thinking of goin to manipal.. I guess they hav a new NRI hostel and a all new campus there.. i guess u can compare the facilities in the hostel to a Holiday Inn or Crown Plaza
( i may b a lil too generous abt the NRI hostel coz i never got to stay there it was under construction during my term)
and if u still feel the NRI hostel is not good enough..then therez always the GOOD OLD VALLEY VIEW HOTEL :)


kris

[nristudent]

Ok, so I've read all the posts and am now thoroughly confused (and a bit scared actually). It's like a mini war zone.....
:starwars:

Anyway, here's my situation:
I'm a highschool graduate from the US who went to an American university for a year but then dropped out because I thought I had a different "calling." So half a novel and two failed business ideas later....
I've decided medicine is for me after all. :rolleyes:
[Don't tell me I'm an idiot. I have a little voice in my head that tells me that everyday. I also have something called...parents.]

The point is: I'm already 20 years old, so I believe med school in India is my best choice.

Here are my two Indian med school choices:

Manipal (pre-med program)
or
Nagpur (mbbs program through NRI quota)

Before I read these posts, I was thrilled with the idea of Manipal. I thought there would be quite a few NRIs and that I would meet different people from all over the world. These posts, however, have me thinking that Manipal wouldn't be very different from any other indian medical college.
(I did hear that Manipal's pre-med twinning program had different staff, facilities, and hostel from the main MBBS program....is that a good or bad thing?)

I also thought Manipal would be a better choice because they prepare you for the USMLE. I understand that there won't be any spoon feeding going on, nor would I want there to be, but I just felt that maybe Manipal would be better than Nagpur in making me pass the USMLE also.
I don't even have any firm results to guide me because the first batch of Manipal's pre-med/BSc students haven't taken the USMLE's yet.

There's also the fact that if worse comes to worst and I don't pass the USMLE, I won't have a degree in my hand after 4 years of Manipal's Pre-med/BSc program. Those four years are not recognized by anyone in India or the US as a degree.

So unless you get into the clinical rotations at the NY campus by passing the USMLE, you're stuck.

Plus, with Manipal...you only get the MD at the end. Even if you technically did med school in India, you'll never get to go back and practice there. India doesn't allow you to take any tests, so you would have to go through medschool again if you wanted to practive.
(I know you guys are thinking, "why would you want to practice in india anyway?" But seriously, you don't know what will happen in the future and I would feel better if I had that option.)

Overall, if you don't take the school's atmosphere into play, Nagpur looks like the better choice. Not only will I get a firm MBBS degree in my hand, but I will pay less and be closer to extended family (which may or may not be a good thing :|).

The only thing pulling me to Manipal was the better campus, better professors, more diverse student population, and more studious atmosphere in the hostels.

If that's not the case, then I'll end up going to Nagpur university, getting a firm MBBS, passing the USMLE on my own, and doing residency in the US.

What do you guys think?

Any opinions that don't have to do with Indian greed/corruption will be appreciated.
(I mean come on, everyone knows that India has the highest corruption rate in the world. If you're going to school there, that's the first thing you should understand. Money gets you places. I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying that's the way it is.)

Also anyone who provides me with links, numbers, hard facts, etc, will recieve a gold star on their homework! :mrgreen:

Sorry about the uber long post...

Thanks for your help in advance!

[Tipton]

Where are you now? I ask because one of KMCIC's students will be here in NYC for the Nov. 1 Info Seminar. She could probably address you concerns with KMCIC at least.

And also you may want to copy and paste this into KMCIC's section of AUA here on VMD...more likely to get a response.

[MDTest]

How many years is the medical school?