Philippine Medical Schools

[jingos85]

PHILIPPINE MEDICAL SCHOOLS

I compiled this list of Philippine Medical Schools in the weeks I was researching Caribbean medical schools. I used International Medical Education Directory <http://imed.ecfmg.org/search.asp> (IMED) to make sure that these schools are WHO-recognized and ECFMG-certified. I also provided a California list taken from the California State Medical Board <http://www.medbd.ca.gov/Approved_Schools.htm#P> website. I hope that you use this list as a base and not as a bible. Please contact all the necessary school officials for admissions requirements. Now that, that's settled, here are a couple of reasons why one should or should not go to the Philippines for medical school.

Why would anyone want to go to the Philippines for medical school?

The Philippines has had a long history of sending its citizens to the U.S. as foreign medical graduates s(FMG). According to the American Medical Association <http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/1550.html>, the Philippines is the second leading nation in sending its citizens to the U.S., only India sends more. A little over 9 percent of all FMGs or about 19,500 physicians were trained in the Philippines. Just to compare, Grenada, the island where St. George's University is located (the supposed #1 Caribbean medical university), is number 13 on the list, or only 4,200 physicians trained in Grenada practice in the U.S. St. George's University students are mostly American citizens or permanent residents and may have an easier time in coming back to the U.S. While you are in the Philippines, you must do all of your medical education including rotations in the Philippines, except for the occasional 12 week rotation in the U.S. (but this is unlikely). This is a disadvantage when you compare Caribbean medical schools who require you to live on the island for only two years for your Basic Sciences and let you go back to the U.S. for your rotations, or last two years of medical school. In other words, if you go the Philippines for medical school, you will have to stay for the entire FOUR years!!! If in the Caribbean, you only have to stay for TWO years and get to go back to the U.S. for the remaining two years in an affiliated hospital.
The Philippines was an American colony from 1898-1946. English and Filipino (Tagalog) are the national languages. English is taught in all school levels from elementary, high school, and college. Not many people know this but the Philippines is the third largest English-speaking country, only after the U.S. and Great Britain. Canada and Australia are numbers four and five! Americans will have no problem communicating with Filipinos, whether those Filipinos are rich businessmen or poor fishermen, all Filipinos are able to speak at least conversational English. Just try to speak a little slower than usual! It's sort of like when British people who speak way too fast and even Americans can't understand it!
All Philippine medical schools instruct in English. The only reason a non-Filipino speaker would want to learn Tagalog is if they want to speak with their patients more fluently and effectively. But this is not necessary because all Filipinos can speak basic English. Many non-Americans are also going to the Philippines. There are many Chinese (also Taiwanese) and other students who go to the Philippines because of its English-based programs, where they could only get limited English instruction in their home country. I hear the Filipino-Chinese community in Manila is very strong.
Ninety-five percent of Filipinos are Christian, with 88% Roman Catholic and 7% Protestant. The Philippines is the only predominantly Christian nation in Asia. This is due to over 300 years of Spanish Catholic colonial rule and almost 50 years of American Protestant colonial rule. A very popular saying is that the Philippines is like a nun who was in a convent for 300 years and left and went to Hollywood for fifty! Americans will have no problem when it comes to religion as an issue.
Just an important fact: The largest U.S. military bases in Asia: Clark Air Base and Subic Bay Air Base was controlled by American forces until 1992 when Mt. Pinatubo erupted.
Most of the time, all you hear about the Philippines is about the Muslim rebels in the South. Therefore, everyone thinks that either the country is full of Muslims or a very violent country. Generally, the far South has been violent with the rebels but has dramatically decreased in the past few years with the help of the American military. In 2001, the Philippine government allowed the U.S. military to send troops to the Philippines for bilateral anti-terrorism training excercises. Throughout the rest of the country, it is very peaceful. Nobody will bother you, if you don't bother them. Of course, you have to take the same security measures as if you were in the states. For instance, you wouldn't leave your purse hanging out, walking alone in the middle of the night, in downtown Los Angeles. You're just asking to be mugged! But anyway, you get my point.
Going to medical school in the Philippines is extremely cheap compared to American schools. On average, a student would pay about U.S. $5,000-10,000 dollars for a whole year. Of course, you have to include living expenses such as apartment rent, books, supplies, and transportation. It would be about less than twenty thousand dollars a year total. In the U.S., a typical year at a private medical school would be $30,000 tuition and $15,000 living expenses. This is a savings of more than $25,000. Of course, public medical schools are cheaper than private but that is beyond the scope of this list. Do your own research!
Philippine medical schools do not allow students to go back to the U.S. to take the USMLE (U.S. Medical Licensing Exam). This would mean that you would have to take all three exams after you graduate from medical school. This can be tough because USMLE Step I tests you on the first two years of medical school, the Basic Sciences. Who knows? You might have forgotten all of that by graduation time. Step II tests you on your clinical skills after the third year. Step III tests you on the clinical skills after you graduate. The only remedy for this would be if you study really hard to pass these three tests very close in duration with each other. I would suggest a Kaplan <http://www.kaplantest.com/> (Click on Medicine under Medicine/Health Sciences) course geared towards FMGs. My cousin graduated from De La Salle University in the Philippines (2003) and just passed her Step I exam this year. She is preparing for her Step II exam now. So it can be done, you just need to have perseverance and patience.
In order to go to a Philippine medical school, you must take the National Medical Admission Test <http://www.apmc.org.ph/NMAT/> (NMAT), a test similar to the American MCAT or Medical College Admission Test. Although I've heard the NMAT is easier than the MCAT. You can take the NMAT in the U.S. The NMAT is administered in New York and Los Angeles near the Philippine embassy. Here is the contact info for both offices:

New York -- Mr. Jose A. Ramos, Jr.
444 East, 20th St., Apt.6A
New York, NY 10009 USA
Tel. no. (212) 252-0904

California -- Ms. Marilyn C. Reyes
Chancellor Hotel, 3191 West, 7th St., Los Angeles, CA 90005 USA
Tel. no. (213) 487-8736

California -- Ms. Anacleta J. Barrietta
155 N. Edgemont, Los Angeles, CA 90004 USA
Tel. no. (213) 382-8488
Test Centers:
a.) Philippine Center, 556 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY 10036 USA
b.) Philippine Center, 3460 Wilshire Blvd. Suite 1200, Los Angeles, CA 90020 USA

Please look at the Association of Philippine Medical Colleges: http://www.apmc.org.ph



PHILIPPINE MEDICAL SCHOOLS (Alphabetical List)
For those of you not familiar with Philippine geography, I've added North, Central, & South designations so that you have a general idea of where the college is located: NORTH = Luzon (the capital city of Manila is in Luzon), CENTRAL = Visayas, SOUTH = Mindanao
Note: There are a total of 34 medical schools who allow foreign nationals into their programs, 24 of them are approved by California
(Ca) = California approval

1. Angeles University Foundation (Ca)
Angeles City, Pampanga (North)
Est. 1983
Email - babinski@angeles.auf.com.ph
Website - http://www.auf.edu.ph/med.html

2. Ateneo de Zamboanga College of Medicine
Zamboanga City, Mindanao (South)
Est. 2000
Email - zmsf@aguila.adzu.edu.ph
Website - http://www.adzu.edu.ph/medschool

3. Bicol Christian College of Medicine (Ca)
Legaspi City, Luzon (North)
Est. 1980
Email - rjoson@pacific.net.ph
Website - http://members.tripod.com/rjoson/bicol/bccm.htm

4. Cagayan State University
Tuguegarao City
Est. 1995
Email - floyg@yahoo.com
Website -

5. Cebu Doctor’s College of Medicine (Ca)
Cebu City, Cebu (Central)
Est. 1977
Emails - cdcm@cdc-cdh.edu, ebgruet@cdc-cdh.edu
Website - http://www.cdc-cdh.edu

6. Cebu Institute of Medicine (Ca)
Cebu City, Cebu (Central)
Est. 1957
Email - cimesola@col.net.ph
Website - http://www.cim.edu.ph/, http://www.cim.edu.ph/admission2.php

7. Central Philippine University
Iloilo City, Visayas (Central)
Est. 2003
Email - medicine@cpu.edu.ph
Website - http://www.cpu.edu.ph/dep/med/

8. Davao Medical School Foundation (Ca)
Davao, Mindanao (South)
Est. 1977
Email - drvic@dmsf.edu.ph
Website - http://www.dmsf.edu.ph/

9. De La Salle University Health Sciences (Ca)
Cavite, Luzon (North)
Est. 1979
Email - admission@hsc.dlsu.edu.ph
Website - http://www.hsc.dlsu.edu.ph/

10. Emilio Aguinaldo College of Medicine
Manila, Luzon (North)
Est. 2001
Email - webmaster@eac.edu.ph, admission@eac.edu.ph
Website - http://www.eac.edu.ph/college_medicine.html

11. Far Eastern University (Ca)
Quezon City, Luzon (North)
Est. 1952
Email - info@feu-nrmf.ph
Website - http://www.feu-nrmf.ph/

12. Iloilo Doctor's College of Medicine (Ca)
Iloilo, Visayas (Central)
Est. 1981
Phone - 63-33-337-7755

13. Lyceum Northwestern University (Ca)
Pangasinan, Luzon (North)
Est. 1975
Email - info@lyceum.edu.ph, medicine@lyceum.edu.ph
Website - http://www.lyceum.edu.ph/MEDICINE/indexMedicine.htm

14. Manila Central University (Ca)
Rizal, Luzon (North)
Est. 1947
Email - mcu@health.pchrd.dost.gov.ph
Website - http://www.mcufdtmf.edu.ph/

15. Mindanao State University (Ca)
Est. 1984
Email - admissions@sulat.msuiit.edu.ph
Website - http://www.msuiit.edu.ph/

16. Our Lady of Fatima University (Ca)
Manila, Luzon (North)
Est. 1979
Email - registrar@fatima.edu.ph
Website - http://www.fatima.edu.ph/
Illinois state approval!

17. Remedios T. Romualdez Medical Foundation (Ca)
Leyte, Visayas (Central)
Est. 1980
Email - rtrmsro@info.com.ph
Website - http://www.info.com.ph/~rtrmsmmc/index.html

18. San Beda College of Medicine
Mandaluyong City, Luzon (North)
Est. 2002
Email - cas_admissions@sanbeda.edu.ph
Website - http://www.sanbeda.edu.ph/

19. Southwestern University, Matias Aznar Memorial College of Medicine (Ca)
Cebu, Visayas (Central)
Est. 1946
Email - admissions@swu.edu.ph
Website - http://mham.swu.edu.ph/

20. St. Louis University (Ca)
Baguio City, Luzon (North)
Est. 1976
Email - cndean@slu.edu.ph
Website - http://www.slu.edu.ph/

21. St. Luke's College of Medicine
Quezon City, Luzon (North)
Est. 1994
Email - registrar_slcm@stluke.com.ph
Website - http://www.stlukesmedcollege.edu.ph/

22. Universidad de Santa Isabel
Naga City, Luzon (North)
Est. 2002
Email - Usimedschool@yahoo.com
Website - http://www.usi.edu.ph/

23. University of Northern Philippines
Ilocos Sur, Luzon (North)
Est. 2000
Email - unp_op@yahoo.com
Website - http://www.geocities.com/unpsite/index.htm

24. University of Perpetual Help System, Rizal
Las Pinas, Luzon (North)
Est. 1996
Email -
Website - http://www.uphr.edu.ph/medicine/index.php

25. University of Santo Tomas (Ca)
Manila, Luzon (North)
Est. 1871
Email - admi@ustlru.com
Website - http://www.ust.edu.ph/sitelinks/academics/Medicine.asp?progid=07

26. University of Perpetual Help System, College of Medicine (Ca)
Laguna, Luzon (North)
Est. 1977
Email - nikytamayo@perpetualhelp.net
Website - http://www.uphr.edu.ph/, http://www.perpetualhelp.net/

27. University of the City of Manila, Pamantasan Ng Lungsod Ng Maynila (Ca)
Manila, Luzon (North)
Est. 1983
Email -
Website - www.plm.edu.ph, http://www.geocities.com/llinco/plm.html

28. University of the East, Ramon Magsaysay (Ca)Quezon City, Luzon (North)
Est. 1956
Email - uerm@eastmail.com
Website - http://www.ue.edu.ph, http://www.uerm.edu/

29. University of the Philippines, School of Health Sciences
Leyte, Visayas (Central)
Est. 1976
Email -
Website - http://www.up.edu.ph/

30. University of the Philippines, College of Medicine (Ca)
Manila, Luzon (North)
Est. 1908
Email - deanupcm@cm.upm.edu.ph
Website - http://cm.upm.edu.ph/

31. University of Visayas, Gullas College of Medicine (Ca)
Cebu, Visayas (Central)
Est. 1977
Email - Contact school directly by phone, see website
Website - http://www2.uv.edu/departments/medicine/index.htm

32. Virgen Milagrosa University Foundation (Ca)
Pangasinan, Luzon (North)
Est. 1975
Email - vmuf@mozcom.com
Website - http://www.vmuf.edu.ph/

33. West Visayas State University (Ca)
Iloilo City, Visayas (Central)
Est. 1975
Email - myrna@ililo.net
Website -

34. Xavier Univeristy (Ca)
Cagayan De Oro City, Visayas (Central)
Est. 1983
Email -jprcm@xu.edu.ph
Website - http://www.xu.edu.ph/acadunits/jprcm/main.html

[jingos85]

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[Wendell]

Hello i am interested in attending cebu doc or southwester in cebu phillipines.My question is do you have to have a 4 year degree to aplly or can you do so with just the basic science classes and a good nmat score. I am 33 and currently work in a hospital emergency dept Would this help me ?Thank you

[Vicodin]

Hello i am interested in attending cebu doc or southwester in cebu phillipines.My question is do you have to have a 4 year degree to aplly or can you do so with just the basic science classes and a good nmat score. I am 33 and currently work in a hospital emergency dept Would this help me ?Thank you

not sure but you can check thier site for more info:
Cebu Doc: http://orion.cdc-cdh.edu/%7Emedicine/

SWU: http://mham.swu.edu.ph/

[trauma]

Hello i am interested in attending cebu doc or southwester in cebu phillipines.My question is do you have to have a 4 year degree to aplly or can you do so with just the basic science classes and a good nmat score. I am 33 and currently work in a hospital emergency dept Would this help me ?Thank you
All med schools there require a bachelor degree (A.B., BA or **). Some school may help you get into an accelerated Bachelor's program then go to med school but you have to inquire with individual schools.

[ricksakti]

May you explain what is the accelerated Bachelor degree?
Do they have it at UST, FEU, Da Le Salle or UE?

[sprika2]

May you explain what is the accelerated Bachelor degree?
Do they have it at UST, FEU, Da Le Salle or UE?

UP PGH have a straight course for medicine, but you have to have exeptional scores in their entrance exam

[joe]

how much are the tution fees at UST, FEU, Da Le Salle or UE?
any donation fee needed?

also, what is the website of the schools that dont require a Bachelor Deg? tution?

thanks everyone

[trauma]

how much are the tution fees at UST, FEU, Da Le Salle or UE?
any donation fee needed?

also, what is the website of the schools that dont require a Bachelor Deg? tution?

thanks everyone
All schools require a bachelors degree. The donation fee (they call it foreign fee) is a one-time fee ranging from $5,000 to $10,000. You can inquire about tuition from each school and all have their own web site. The most expensive one is UST with $10,000 donation fee but tuition is only about $1,450 per semester.

[pkimm]

nicely put

[yendor]

Very nice info! mabuhay!:)

[deoriveraMD]

to yendor---Pinoy ka rin b?:)

[trauma]

Some of the info are outdated. In some schools like Fatima and UERM, they allow you to take your entire 4th year in US hospitals (first 3 years there are non-clinical). Some schools will also let you Step 1 after your first 2 years. One student from UERM did it although it will take some discipline with extra reviews with Kaplan. They don't give NMAT in NY anymore. They give it in Chicago and LA.

[yendor]

Nasa baltimore ka tol a? hmmm.. am in baltimore too... saan ka sa atin tol? anong batch ka? what school? are you almost done with the tests?:)
to yendor---Pinoy ka rin b?:)

[deoriveraMD]

pre d2 ko sa baltimore din..dpako tapos sa mga exams ko .. may new baby kc ako.. UST batch 2003...step 2 ck palng..ikaw?here is my cel #443-570-9742.email amadeorivera@yahoo.com.hope we cud talk..:) .

[dcque]

For all you medical students that plan to study near the university belt, and need a place to stay, please check out www.ubelt.net (http://www.ubelt.net/). It is walking distance to San Beda & FEU and not far from UST and UE. It is very secure as it is located inside the Malacanang Palace compound ( presidential palace ).

[dcque]

For all you medical students that plan to study near the university belt, and need a place to stay, please check out www.ubelt.net (http://www.ubelt.net/). It is walking distance to San Beda & FEU and not far from UST and UE. It is very secure as it is located inside the Malacanang Palace compound ( presidential palace ).

[pnoyMD]

Trying to decide between caribbean and Philippine medical schools and i'd just like to open up this discussion. Foremost, the ultimate goal is to practice in the US and also to volunteer in the Philippines. I understand that SGU and Ross both require passing USMLE 1 and 2 before graduation which is great because it compels you to focus and their entire curriculum revolves around the USMLE. In addition, you only spend 2 years/16 months on the islands, respectively.On the other hand, I am quite amazed that Philippines send out the most doctors to US behind India so it is obvious that they are doing something right with their medical education. however, you have to spend 4 years there, but some schools allow u to do rotations in US during 4th year. In addition, and a big plus, it is way cheaper than sgu or ross.. and campus is much nicer. From reading different threads, the only thing that I am wary 'bout Phil med is how they prepare foreign applicants for USMLE. I have heard that they dont prepare you for USMLE and that you have to study independently, let alone, some even say that you probably won't be prepared for step 1 after the 3rd year of med school.

So in the end, if one's goal is to practice in the states, which would you recommend, Philippines (UST, UP, EU, FEU, SLU) or the Caribbean (SGU, Ross)?

[skull]

Trying to decide between caribbean and Philippine medical schools and i'd just like to open up this discussion. Foremost, the ultimate goal is to practice in the US and also to volunteer in the Philippines. I understand that SGU and Ross both require passing USMLE 1 and 2 before graduation which is great because it compels you to focus and their entire curriculum revolves around the USMLE. In addition, you only spend 2 years/16 months on the islands, respectively.On the other hand, I am quite amazed that Philippines send out the most doctors to US behind India so it is obvious that they are doing something right with their medical education. however, you have to spend 4 years there, but some schools allow u to do rotations in US during 4th year. In addition, and a big plus, it is way cheaper than sgu or ross.. and campus is much nicer. From reading different threads, the only thing that I am wary 'bout Phil med is how they prepare foreign applicants for USMLE. I have heard that they dont prepare you for USMLE and that you have to study independently, let alone, some even say that you probably won't be prepared for step 1 after the 3rd year of med school.

So in the end, if one's goal is to practice in the states, which would you recommend, Philippines (UST, UP, EU, FEU, SLU) or the Caribbean (SGU, Ross)?

In any case, you have to study hard and be on your own. It might be true that SGU & Ross' curriculums are USMLE geared, but they do not "pour" the info into your head:) , you still have to work hard!

[pnoyMD]

working hard is a given and that was not the issue in question.. the question is if one plans to practice in the States, would it be more prudent to pick a carribean or a Philippine medical schools and why? just wanted to hear some opinions thats all

[trauma]

There are few things to consider whether to go Phil or Caribbean.
1. Financial- If you can afford it (if money won't be tight), Caribbean will give you a better chance for a US residency especially because of #3.
2. If you go to a good Philippine school (like UST,UERM,FEU,SLU,CIM-UP don't usually accept foreign grads), you still have a good chance of getting a residency in the States without getting into debt.
3. If you are gunning for competitive residencies like Surgery, you have a better chance coming from a Caribbean school. This is a fact. Just look at their matches. Ask any graduate from the Philippines how many Surgery residents they know that graduated from the Philippines in the last five years. The answer is very few (can count on one hand).
4. If you don't want to get deeper into debt and just would like to get into any residency, the Philippines is a viable option as long as you choose the right school.

[rnuop]

Was wondering how everyone found their interviews. What types of questions... even specific questions were asked. Was wondering if they asked questions specifically about the medical care in the Philippines. At the moment i have limited information about those topics. Any information would be helpful. =D :shock:

[trauma]

It's better to be honest. No one expects you to really know a lot about Phil. health care. Just say that you are willing to learn and serve in an appropriate capacity in the short stay you'll have in the Phil health care setting.

[pnoyMD]

There are few things to consider whether to go Phil or Caribbean.
1. Financial- If you can afford it (if money won't be tight), Caribbean will give you a better chance for a US residency especially because of #3.
2. If you go to a good Philippine school (like UST,UERM,FEU,SLU,CIM-UP don't usually accept foreign grads), you still have a good chance of getting a residency in the States without getting into debt.
3. If you are gunning for competitive residencies like Surgery, you have a better chance coming from a Caribbean school. This is a fact. Just look at their matches. Ask any graduate from the Philippines how many Surgery residents they know that graduated from the Philippines in the last five years. The answer is very few (can count on one hand).
4. If you don't want to get deeper into debt and just would like to get into any residency, the Philippines is a viable option as long as you choose the right school.


thnx trauma.. but im thinking towards pediatrics or radiology right now. i heard that phil med schools, top ones at least, are very commited into their medical program. on the contrary, ive heard mixed reviews about caribbean.. some say the administration is all about $$$ and i understand that because they are for-profit schools. hmmm its all about the individual's will in the end i guess.. btw does any body have any stats as to what the passing rate is for USMLE stp 1 for med students in Phil? in terms of USMLE success (and not necessarily preparation) which is better- carib or phil?

[trauma]

thnx trauma.. but im thinking towards pediatrics or radiology right now. i heard that phil med schools, top ones at least, are very commited into their medical program. on the contrary, ive heard mixed reviews about caribbean.. some say the administration is all about $$$ and i understand that because they are for-profit schools. hmmm its all about the individual's will in the end i guess.. btw does any body have any stats as to what the passing rate is for USMLE stp 1 for med students in Phil? in terms of USMLE success (and not necessarily preparation) which is better- carib or phil? There's really no stats on USMLE from Phil schools. In most Phil. schools, you take your the USMLE after your 4th year. Your success will probably be the same if you study hard. You are forced to gear more for the USMLE in the Carib. because you can't go to clinicals without it. It might be difficult to get into radiology coming from the Philippines. Also top schools in the Philippines like UST,FEU, OR CIM are not easy. You have to study hard to survive or graduate.

[Drlubba1]

If it helps anyones confidence, my cousin who is from the Philippines just aced the USMLE Step 1 & 2 here in the US

[Drlubba1]

I had my interview a few months ago. They ask mostly about your motivation, determination and academic background. Just tell them why you want to study medicine. If you know why you want to go into medicine, you shouldn't have a problem

[pnoyMD]

If it helps anyones confidence, my cousin who is from the Philippines just aced the USMLE Step 1 & 2 here in the US

thnx. i am sure the medical education is great because a relative attended medical school (UST) there and found it to be very pleasant and rewarding.
but...
1. what is the earliest time a student can take step 1. is it after two years like US and caribbean schools or does one have to wait until after graduation? I really would like to get steps 1 and 2 out of the day right before or at the time of graduation.. is that feasible (i know it depends strongly on individual effort and independent preparation but do the schools give you enough material/knowledge to start taking USMLE's before or at the time of graduation?

2. Finally, does anybody know which schools actually have US clinical rotations (and if they do, is it 2 years, 1 year, or only few months)?
Im particularly interested in UST, EU, FEU, CIM, UP (i know they rarely take foreigners)

Any advice is greatly appreciated as I am trying to decide right now between Phil schools and Caribbean, namely SGU and Ross.

[deoriveraMD]

regarding your 1st question, you can take USMLE 1&2 after your 2nd year of attending Philippine medical school based from ECFMG bulletin as a International medical student just like US/Carribean medical students...:)from what i know only Fatima medical school has a US clinical rotation by 4th year..In UST you can take US clinical rotation during your electives..a month or 2...that's what i know..if you are in Manila try to talk to the secretary at dean's office of UST as well as Fatima..definitely Fatima has US rotations by 4th year...

[deoriveraMD]

yeah that is very TRUE..Got interviewed at UST...as long as your honest, willing to study hard to become an MD..be as PRO LIFE as much as possible eg issues in euthanasia vs DNR, birth control/abortion, marriage before anything else bcoz Philippines is 85-90% CATHOLICS..OK..HOPE THIS HELP YOU..:)

[Gil T Azel]

Does it matter what you major in? I’d like to major in anthropology instead of studying Biology which I‘m doing now. If it doesn’t matter, what other science classes would you recommend taking as a non-science major in preparation for med school in the phillipines. Thanks.

[trauma]

Different schools have different requirements. Some don't care whether you have taken any science subjects as long as you have your Bachelor's degree. Others are very strict. Just take the science subjects required by the strict ones.

[Drlubba1]

At least take the very basic sciences and I think you'll be alright for most of the schools(Chem,Bio,Physics,Stats).

[PlasticSurgeon]

yeah... be as Pro-Life as possible. And please be yourself.

n.b. they ask personal things like income, relationships, etc. so be prepared...

[skull]

Can someone please provide some info regarding residency match (i.e. residency types) for IMGs from Phil Schools?

Also, if someone would be so kind to post the types of residencies (in general) that most IMGs go into and their relative ease or hardship (e.g. IM/Peds, etc..).

Thanks

[brainless]

Hello everybody,
I need some indo about residency for foreigner at philippines.
I'm thinkin about surgery or ob/gyn.
BTW from some rumor i heard it is difficult for a male for ob/gyn, plz some info for me.
TQ so much for u'r concern

[lander]

Hi there. I know of many foreigners (well...mostly Indonesians) still having or had their residencies here in the philippines. Mostly in the main teaching PRIVATE hospitals. I know they don't accept foreigners in government hospitals. I could be wrong though. Male OB-GYNE? It is possible. Try University of Santo Tomas Hospital or Saint Luke's Medical Center or Makati Medical Center. Good luck.

[brainless]

Hello Lander :) ,tq for reply an some info
i think now i have to prepare myself to go there,
i'll try to find from indonesian resident there.
So when i came there, i'll have enought info.
TQ for reply it is very helpfull :)
if there more info plz pm or reply ok :)

[brainless]

Hello Lander :) ,tq for reply an some info
i think now i have to prepare myself to go there,
i'll try to find from indonesian resident there.
So when i came there, i'll have enought info.
TQ for reply it is very helpfull :)
if there more info plz pm or reply ok :)

[stiletto]

Hi Brainless:
From personal experience, bec I used to be an attending there, UST and Makati Medical Center do accept foreigners -- most are Indonesians, and they are in IntMed, Peds and Dermatology. I personally have not encountered other nationalities, nor I have encountered foreigners in other subspecialties. But I think there is a new ruling about foreign trainees having to post some kind of monetary bond. You need to contact those hospitals about the new local policy.
FYI: OB Gyn is a very competitive program to get into in any hospital in Manila. But you might have some luck because a lot of medical graduates are getting into nursing programs after med school (to get a job abroad) or getting their USMLEs and getting into residency in the U.S.
Which brings me to my questions about you: What nationality are you? And why are you considering the Philippines for further training?
Stiletto

[stiletto]

Dear Skull:
Best bet residency spots for IMGs: Family Practice Primary Care, Internal Medicine. You may also try Surgery because that has opened up partly due to bad insurance premiums - I dunno if you want to deal with that post training.

If you do get to selecting hospitals for interviews, please select IMG friendly hospitals. Don't expect an interview from places which usually get their own graduates or don't get IMGs. It would be a big waste of money doing that. And mind you, even if you get a 99 on your MLEs and these prestigious places interview you, they just probably wanna see who is this person who got a 99 but all along they don't want to deal with visa stuff.

[desai29]

are you serious.. that suck.

[stiletto]

Dear Gil T Azel:

Let's be practical for a moment. If you don't end up going through/finishing med school, what job will you take? Why not consider nursing, PT, OT, Speech Therapy as pre-med courses? Other "non-science courses" with job prospects if you don't get into med school -- Special Education, engineering.

BUt if you are really set on going to med school, it does not really matter as long as you fulfill the course requirements.


Question: (I hope I am reading you right; but correct me if I am wrong), if you are planning on getting into med school, but you are trying to avoid science courses, then why even think about med school at all? You are going to wallow in it not only for 4 years -- you will be studying medicine your entire life! Medicine is constantly changing. What I knew 2 years ago is already obsolete! So I have to keep on updating myself, reading journals, attending conferences. Just so I can give my patients the best care possible...

[stiletto]

Ricksati:

Aside from UP (which has the Intarmed program, 7 years), UST has the Accelerated Biology Program which has 3 years biology including summers, with two weeks off between end of main schoolyear and start of summer session; and end of summer session, to start of main schoolyear. Most applicants to this course have the intention of entering UST Med School. I believe MOST 99% of those from this program get a better chance of being accepted to the UST medical school than those from other regular bachelor degree programs. I went through this program myself and it is worth it.

[odessa]

For the U.S.A student who wants to study in phillipines, must required a Bachelor's degree in U.S.A ? The U.S.A student who graduted from american university is eligible for admission in philippines medical schools? Please, clarify my question, anybody please.

[Ben Casey]

If your ultimate goal is to return to the US as a licensed Physician, then it is the Caribbean hands down. Basically, that is the main objective of those schools. However, I feel their education may be even better due to more personal attention given to the students. The cultural thing you can do after you r a licensed doctor.
Don't get me wrong. The schools in the Philippines are top rate. It is an educational system to meet the health care needs of the Filipinos. The Filipinos have indeed had the most open and generous policies toward non-filipinos for a chance to get a medical education, among the Asian nations. Filipino doctors are respected all over the world. It is like their Toyotas. However, I cannot overemphasize the fact that you might be 2 yrs later than your Carib counterparts in obtaining your residency and licensure. U gotta be part of the loop. The carib schools are part of it, because they have to to survive. It is just too bad that they will not allow non-Filipino citzens to practice in the P. I. That seems like the rule of law amongst all Asian nations. Either have a green card of that country or citizenship to sit for the boards.. Well, that's my 2 bits. Oh yeah, u do need a bachelors degree to get in. I knew a couple of Americans who went to dental school there and 2 out of the batch got rejected because they only had an Associates degree. They had all the pre-req'S done, though. U gotta realize that PI med schools are quite competitve. There are a lot of Filipinos whose dream is to becaome a health care provider and go abroad. It is one of their main exports. The people their are very nice but the poverty is overwhelming.....Well good luck!!

[Ben Casey]

Is that rumor true about Fatima not having enough slots in Chicago for their student clerkships? I doubt that rumor now. Nobody talks highly of Fatima. Why is that? Sure would like to know. I am also debating going carib or PI for Jan, 2007. Plz. Pm me if you can be of any help......

[Ben Casey]

From my extensive grapevine system, what Stilleto says is very true. It seems like the visa stuff is the topmost priority in obtaining a residency. Things have dramatically changed over the last couple of years from what I hear. Nevertheless, it's all hearsay. I heard a rumor that often times they will invite an FMG who scored a 99, just because they r curious as to how a foreigner can do it , when it is based on a USA format medically, socially, ethically, etc. Same goes for othe countries too. But in the broader picture, nation states and borders will exist. I wonder if Charles Univ. grads can practice in France or England on credentials just because they r part of the EU.

[Ben Casey]

I think that Stilleto is telling the truth from my other sources of info ......

[trauma]

If you are a US citizen or a green card holder and finished your Bachelors in the US, i always advise them to stay in the US either in allophatic schools or DO schools.
Next step is the Caribbean. I usually prefer the 4 more established Caribbean schools (SGU,Ross,AUC,Saba). As Ben Casey said, they only spend 2 years in the Caribbean and they prepare you for USMLE and you have the same shedule as American grads. Cost is an issue but you can take loans.
I only advise Filipino medical schools if cost is an issue to them or they dont' want to take huge loans and they know they want to go to primary care. stilleto is right that a lot of US hospitals dont want to deal with visa issues regardless of score. I only know 1 person who is a Fil-Am who got into Categorical General Surgery (Temple) coming from UERM but this guy studied from day 1 of med school and passed Step 1 between 2nd and 3rd year. He also scored high 99 and 98 in each step. I graduated from one of the better known Phil. school and in my class, only 3 got into Surgery or even bother to apply in Surgery. 2 of them eventually became Plastic Surgeons in the US while one is practicing General Surgery in California. I don't know anybody else except for some rumors that 2 other Filipino grads got into surgical fields (they are from a very wealthy family so that could have opened doors). Whatever school you go to, you have to study for the USMLE independently from the start of Med school as this will increase your chance of passing the Steps.

[RaaMD]

If your ultimate goal is to return to the US as a licensed Physician, then it is the Caribbean hands down. Basically, that is the main objective of those schools. However, I feel their education may be even better due to more personal attention given to the students. The cultural thing you can do after you r a licensed doctor.
Don't get me wrong. The schools in the Philippines are top rate. It is an educational system to meet the health care needs of the Filipinos. The Filipinos have indeed had the most open and generous policies toward non-filipinos for a chance to get a medical education, among the Asian nations. Filipino doctors are respected all over the world. It is like their Toyotas. However, I cannot overemphasize the fact that you might be 2 yrs later than your Carib counterparts in obtaining your residency and licensure. U gotta be part of the loop. The carib schools are part of it, because they have to to survive. It is just too bad that they will not allow non-Filipino citzens to practice in the P. I. That seems like the rule of law amongst all Asian nations. Either have a green card of that country or citizenship to sit for the boards.. Well, that's my 2 bits. Oh yeah, u do need a bachelors degree to get in. I knew a couple of Americans who went to dental school there and 2 out of the batch got rejected because they only had an Associates degree. They had all the pre-req'S done, though. U gotta realize that PI med schools are quite competitve. There are a lot of Filipinos whose dream is to becaome a health care provider and go abroad. It is one of their main exports. The people their are very nice but the poverty is overwhelming.....Well good luck!!
Very informative.

[redsiren]

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[surething1]

AUF is a good school. I have spoken to many expats who live in AC and have children, or in-laws that have attended there. I have spoken to a few nurses that have graduated from there and are now in the states. Everyone has had very very positive things to say about the place. Perhaps, also of interest is that many expats who have been admitted there as patients speak well of the place as well.

Furthermore, I have been watching this school very closely since it is one of the few that is permitted to recieve loans from the us dept. of education. The other two are located in manila (UST) or just outside of manila (Fatima).

While UST is a quality program I do not wish to live in central manila. As for Fatima, there are just to many negatives or alleged negatives for me to consider it seriously.

Back to AUF. pro's........You can recieve stafford loans up to 18,500 per year which is plenty enough to live well in AC. Another huge money saving pro is that they do NOT require a 10,000 donation fee. The donation fee is zero. So first day of class you are already 10,000 USD ahead and not behind. Good school, great facilities. Maybe no the highest philippine board passing rate but then med school is what you make of it. AUF has everything you need to succeed.

AUF cons...........They do not have clinicals in the USA as far as I know. Although with a little extra effort you can arrange your own clinicals. In fact arranging your own clinicals would be much cheaper than doing an arranged clinical through somewhere like fatima. I would say you should inquire with the administration about whether or not you can arrange some of your clinicals in the USA on your own.

Next con would be location. AC is not exactly a town with alot going on. Not near a beach, closest thing is probably sabang or puerto galera i think. The nightlife there is dominated by girliebars and the sex scene which is geared towards old white and korean expats coming for cheap sex. Of course that is only one section of AC and not the whole of AC so if you wanted to avoid that area of town it would not be diffficult. Then again if you wanted to party in that section of town, well then, you would have it made. I state location because its not near a beach or main city. Although you would be relatively close to Baguio and Manila if you want to get away cheaply for a weekend.

I have been paying very close attention to AUF and besides the clinical issue (which I have never personally talked to the administration), besides the clinical issue I can not find anything wrong with this school.

As for foreigners I believe they have some indians and some southeast asians there.

I think AUF is a great choice. Please keep me posted or pm me if you wanna talk more and let me know anything you find out in addition to what I have stated. I really want to know everything I can about AUF.

But remember no 10k donation fee and 18500 in loans to live in AC. You wont go hungry there thats for damn sure. Livin like a king!

Also worth checking out is the new medical school at Silliman University in Dumaguete, Negros Oriental. It is in its 2nd or 3rd year and should prove to be a strong school although it is so new it is not yet even listed on the WHO list or ecfmg and whatever other accrediting agencies there are.

Let me know what else you find out and keep me posted.

[trauma]

AUF is not a bad choice. My mother side is from that province and I've been there before. If you can't get in a med school in the States and you dont want to go to the Caribbean, it's a good choice. None of the "hidden issues" compared to Fatima. Dont worry about the Phil Board passing as your concentration from Day 1 should be the USMLE. The only cons I can give is that in all Philippine schools, you have to prepare for USMLE on your own.
I have heard from a student there that you can arrange some clinical rotations in the US (not all) but you have to verify this with the administration.

[redsiren]

thank you very much to surething1 and trauma!!! it sure in builds my confidence and helps tremendously in my decision making, which is now leaning more towards AUF after reading your guys' posts.

I guess my next ? now is pertaining to the NMAT which is similar to the MCAT here in the states. I have heard the NMAT are a little bit easier, is it true? Anyone have comments comparing the NMAT with the MCAT?

Lastly, are there any statistics about foreign acceptance students at AUF?

Thanks againg everyone! u are all great =)

[trauma]

I guess my next ? now is pertaining to the NMAT which is similar to the MCAT here in the states. I have heard the NMAT are a little bit easier, is it true? Anyone have comments comparing the NMAT with the MCAT?

Lastly, are there any statistics about foreign acceptance students at AUF?
NMAT is easier than MCAT and most people just read the sample exams that they will give you via CEM (Center for Educational Measurement). In the US, it is given in LA and Chicago (you have to verify the date).
AUF used to be stricter, but now they are lenient to foreign-grads (they have less than 50 incoming 1st year students, they used to have 150). Medicine is no longer popular in the Philippines so most schools have few applicants. As long as you have your Bachelors degree and have taken your NMAT, they will take you in.

[mglasquety]

Correction to the Phil Med School bit above: Our lady of Fatima University, college of medicine does not prohibit you from taking your steps before you graduate. you can also do your last year of medicine entirely in the US at their US affiliated hospitals in Illinois and New York. you can also get financial aid from FAFSA if you go there.

[puned8]

"As for Fatima, there are just to many negatives or alleged negatives for me to consider it seriously."


Hi,

I am new to this website. Can you please elaborate on your statement above. I am considering Fatima University and would like your input about the school.

[surething1]

I truly am not an expert on fatima. Although, if you spend the time to go through the various philippine med school posts list here as well as on student doctor network forums you will find an abundance of opinions concerning fatima both good and bad.

Just search around. Try typing fatima into the search function. It is perhaps the most controversial school in the Philippines. Some like it ans many hate it.

[RN2MDcanada]

:D hi there,
Need some light in here....I am an Rn currently working here in canada, im 31 yrs old and have seniority in my field, but seriously thinking of living my life here and go back to pi for med this june of 2007...
Can anybody please give me some insights... :cry:

[RN2MDcanada]

leaving my life here temporarily

[RN2MDcanada]

:D hi there,
Need some light in here....I am an Rn currently working here in canada, im 31 yrs old and have seniority in my field, but seriously thinking of leaving my life here and go back to pi for med this june of 2007...
Can anybody please give me some insights... :cry:

[trauma]

:D hi there,
Need some light in here....I am an Rn currently working here in canada, im 31 yrs old and have seniority in my field, but seriously thinking of leaving my life here and go back to pi for med this june of 2007...
Can anybody please give me some insights... :cry:
Just to let you know that it is more difficult to practice as a foreign-grad in Canada compared to the US. If you do your medical school in the Philippines, the easier path would be the US via the USMLE. You will also be limited in the specialty choice and the quality of programs for residency as an IMG.

[k_tanaka]

:D hi there,
Need some light in here....I am an Rn currently working here in canada, im 31 yrs old and have seniority in my field, but seriously thinking of leaving my life here and go back to pi for med this june of 2007...
Can anybody please give me some insights... :cry:

Have you looked into accredited carib schools????
A lot of Canadians come here as it is easier for them to get back to Canada after they finish here. The school I go to even has clinical a clinical rotation in Canada (if I'm not mistaken psych or IM).

[k_tanaka]

Furthermore, I have been watching this school very closely since it is one of the few that is permitted to recieve loans from the us dept. of education. The other two are located in manila (UST) or just outside of manila (Fatima).

While UST is a quality program I do not wish to live in central manila. As for Fatima, there are just to many negatives or alleged negatives for me to consider it seriously.



The College of Medicine at Southwestern University in Cebu which is one of the main islands located South of Manila, also has Stafford, last time I checked. It is also one of the established Medical Schools in the Phils and has been around. In fact there's a good number of grads practicing here in the US. Cebu is also a nice City. A bit cheaper to live compared to Manila.

[bkkgirl]

well i think maybe i could have the problem getting in med in phil because i got LLB not a ba or ** ...do you think can i get away with that ? what is your opinion want to apply to med there next year ...

[bkkgirl]

well they only accept becherlor in ** and ba i got LLb can i get away with that ?

[DaPhGiRL]

Currently I am studying for the NMAT in October and right now I already have it in my mind that I will be in the Philippines by May going to medical school over there. I graduated from UC Irvine and my GPA wasn't the best, and I just took the MCAT in August and I have yet to receive my scores.

Honestly, I think going to medical school in the Philippines is probably the best way to go for my situation, as it would probably take longer for me to even get into a med school in the US. My cousin, a Fil-Am, graduated from UCSB, attended De La Salle, took the USMLE, and is now in his residency in Tennessee, so I KNOW its totally possible. Plus, my dad was a doctor in the Phil. (UERM is his alma mater) before coming here and taking the boards just to practice here.

I am a little apprehensive because I feel like I don't know enough about med schools in the Philippines for me to feel sure that this is what I want to do. I want to go there without a doubt in my mind that there is a better option out there. Plus, I haven't gone to the Philippines to check out the schools (I'm planning a trip for this January) and get a taste of what my everyday life is going to be like (living situations, etc.).

I think what I'm asking for is some advice from recent Fil-Am Phil. med school graduates on how you overcame all the obstacles of just going to school abroad as far as how different it is from the US, leaving a significant other, being far away from family, how difficult it was to study for and pass the USMLE, and anything else!

[Locutusofborg]

DaPHGirl -- Im in the same shoes as you, I took the August MCAT and I felt like it slaughtered me. My GPA is sucky too. Want to compare notes on the schools in the Phillippines? Since we are both just starting our research, maybe we can combine efforts. For instance, we can help each other find out the basic entry requirements for every school, the pricing (and foreigner fee), etc. BTW i'm not filipino, I am just desperate to become an MD;).

[DaPhGiRL]

Hey Locutusofborg - If you don't mind me asking, what is your nationality? You know, I don't speak Tagalog and I understand only a little of it, so I would probably be just as foreign as you are there.

Anywho, as far as my knowledge on schools, I don't know if I could be much of a resource to you, as MY SISTER is the one who visited the Philippines this summer with my parents (her and I will be attending med school together) and had the chance to visit the schools herself. I can tell you that the schools she visited were De La Salle and UERM, and along with St. Luke's, those are the 3 medical schools that I am only looking into for admission. My Fil-Am cousins both went to De La Salle and from what my sister told me, its probably the most modern-looking Medical school in the Philippines (and by modern I mean like Americanized-looking). They have one of the best med school educations in the Philippines aside from UP and UST, which I think don't even accept foreign students into their programs. As for UERM, it is my dad's alma mater and one of the top medical schools in the Philippines as well. Out of these two that my sister visited, she has her heart set on De La Salle, and we'd like to be in school together, so where she goes, I most likely will too.

As far as costs go, I know that as a Fil-Am your family is required to make a generous donation of about $5,000-$10,000, but I don't know if this applies to ALL foreigners. AND, no matter what, the cost of education is SO MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE than it would ever be in the US, and that includes going to school in the Caribbean.

My sister tried the whole medical school (DO, not MD) here in the US and it just wasn't working out for her, so she seriously thinks this is THE BEST way to go. At first I was kind of unsure because I was fresh out of college and wanted to gain the whole experience of raising my GPA, applying and getting rejected to push me more to going to the Philippines, but I think I am just going to give it a chance, because, hey, I could end up liking it.

You could always go to their websites to check out the requirements for each school. I emailed those 3 schools just recently inquiring about their application deadlines which should be soon, and how I go about obtaining one (I'm sure they'll charge a lot just to send it to the US).

If you have any more questions, you can always ask me and if I can't answer it, I can go and ask my sister. Good luck!

P.S. The NMAT is sooo different from the MCAT, don't you think?

[chounsel]

Hey guys,
I was just browsing the forum when I found this one. I was accepted into UERM for June 2006. I visited in March and decided it was not a good decision for me. If you have NEVER been to Philippines or it has been a while, consider visiting BEFORE you go to med school there. It is a HUGE culture shock...one that I thought I could handle. The most difficult thing for me is the distance from here (U.S.) to there. My mom graduated from UERM so I'm not knocking the schools. The professors and the Dean were wonderful when I met them, but there are so many factors to consider when choosing a school. I also tried to get into U.S. schools. I understand how hard it is to get in. I got a 24 MCAT, 3.4 GPA (undergrad) and 4.0 post-grad gpa. I thought those were pretty good...but...considering I'm Asian...I'm considered a majority when applying to school. So, I reconsidered and now I start Ross University in Dominica. Yes - I know a Caribbean school. But, regardless if you go to the Philippines or anywhere else, you'll still be considered a FMG. I applaud anyone who goes to a school in the Philippines b/c the professors there are very strict and you will get a fantastic education. Just consider the other factors...homesickness, distance, standard of living, etc. I may not be as strong as some of you going to PI this year...just thought I would let you know my story.

[RaaMD]

Hey guys,
I was just browsing the forum when I found this one. I was accepted into UERM for June 2006. I visited in March and decided it was not a good decision for me. If you have NEVER been to Philippines or it has been a while, consider visiting BEFORE you go to med school there. It is a HUGE culture shock...one that I thought I could handle. The most difficult thing for me is the distance from here (U.S.) to there. My mom graduated from UERM so I'm not knocking the schools. The professors and the Dean were wonderful when I met them, but there are so many factors to consider when choosing a school. I also tried to get into U.S. schools. I understand how hard it is to get in. I got a 24 MCAT, 3.4 GPA (undergrad) and 4.0 post-grad gpa. I thought those were pretty good...but...considering I'm Asian...I'm considered a majority when applying to school. So, I reconsidered and now I start Ross University in Dominica. Yes - I know a Caribbean school. But, regardless if you go to the Philippines or anywhere else, you'll still be considered a FMG. I applaud anyone who goes to a school in the Philippines b/c the professors there are very strict and you will get a fantastic education. Just consider the other factors...homesickness, distance, standard of living, etc. I may not be as strong as some of you going to PI this year...just thought I would let you know my story.

Thank you for the post.

[elbow]

whats up everyone? i'm currently a 3rd year med student at SWU in cebu, jst wondering if there are any other canadians taking med in cebu? so far i only know of one other guy a CDU.. anyways jst pm me..

[SonicYan]

Hey guys! I'm new here. Anyone else taking the NMAT in LA this coming Saturday? I just need to double check if I have everything ready.

Anyone in the SoCal area that I can compare notes with for the upcoming application process? :D

[NexusMD]

Hi guys, i am completely new to this forum but I felt compelled to post.

I am an Indonesian citizen, of Indian origin and I have spent a considerable amount of time in the Philippines (4-5 years) from about 3rd grade to 7th grade. Let me tell you one thing. Philippine schools (and most Asian schools in general) are ridiculously hard. I had no problems getting straight A's when I came to HS in america, but classes were so difficult in the Philippines. The quality of education is astounding, atleast at that level.

[trauma]

Hey guys,
I was just browsing the forum when I found this one. I was accepted into UERM for June 2006. I visited in March and decided it was not a good decision for me. If you have NEVER been to Philippines or it has been a while, consider visiting BEFORE you go to med school there. It is a HUGE culture shock...one that I thought I could handle. The most difficult thing for me is the distance from here (U.S.) to there. My mom graduated from UERM so I'm not knocking the schools. The professors and the Dean were wonderful when I met them, but there are so many factors to consider when choosing a school. I also tried to get into U.S. schools. I understand how hard it is to get in. I got a 24 MCAT, 3.4 GPA (undergrad) and 4.0 post-grad gpa. I thought those were pretty good...but...considering I'm Asian...I'm considered a majority when applying to school. So, I reconsidered and now I start Ross University in Dominica. Yes - I know a Caribbean school. But, regardless if you go to the Philippines or anywhere else, you'll still be considered a FMG. I applaud anyone who goes to a school in the Philippines b/c the professors there are very strict and you will get a fantastic education. Just consider the other factors...homesickness, distance, standard of living, etc. I may not be as strong as some of you going to PI this year...just thought I would let you know my story.
There is nothing wrong with going to a Caribbean school especially the established ones like Ross, St. George's, AUC, or Saba. They actually have better residency matches compared to other foreign schools. Ross is also a difficult school as there is a big attrition rate. But if you want it bad enough, you will do well. The only disadvantage of these schools is the expense but you can take loans for that.

[trauma]

Hi guys, i am completely new to this forum but I felt compelled to post.

I am an Indonesian citizen, of Indian origin and I have spent a considerable amount of time in the Philippines (4-5 years) from about 3rd grade to 7th grade. Let me tell you one thing. Philippine schools (and most Asian schools in general) are ridiculously hard. I had no problems getting straight A's when I came to HS in america, but classes were so difficult in the Philippines. The quality of education is astounding, atleast at that level.
I agree partially. The difficulty is the system of testing where your brain gets beaten up by endless memorization and minutiae. I have relatives in the US primary and secondary system and there's a lot of spoon-feeding there. However, college in the US is different and very competitive especially for med school and that's where you can get challenged.

[sheila_manny]

hi. i know i may be getting ahead of myself but my daughter is already in 3rd year high school. she wants to take up medicine and after much deliberation, we all decided to let her take up medical technology. we are residents of imus, cavite and de la salle is the closest option that we have because she is only 14 years old. i have been hearing that up, ust, and even feu as the best (some say the only) options if you really want quality education in that field.

i could really use your insight because i really don't know what other options we have. is de la salle dasma ok? would her chances of getting into a good medical school be lessened by the pre-med course and college she attends?

thank you very much in advance.

[tobymd]

hi. i know i may be getting ahead of myself but my daughter is already in 3rd year high school. she wants to take up medicine and after much deliberation, we all decided to let her take up medical technology. we are residents of imus, cavite and de la salle is the closest option that we have because she is only 14 years old. i have been hearing that up, ust, and even feu as the best (some say the only) options if you really want quality education in that field.

i could really use your insight because i really don't know what other options we have. is de la salle dasma ok? would her chances of getting into a good medical school be lessened by the pre-med course and college she attends?

thank you very much in advance.

Sheila, I recently bumped into a pinay de lasalle med grad doing her residency in michigan. she appears to be very alista and i was impressed by her articulation. pm me and i'll try to see if i can get her contact info.

being from the US for many years, i have met many pi med grads. they all come from different schools. Needless to say, many come from the popular ones like UST, UP and UE, but many also hail from other schools in Manila, Cebu and Cavite.

I believe that it is really all up to the student as to how well they do no matter what school they attend. What matters is how well they learned because they will have to pass the board exams to practice.

We are considering having our kids attend med school in the pi.

[tobymd]

well they only accept becherlor in ** and ba i got LLb can i get away with that ?

theres only one way to find out as they say.......... all the schools in the Philippines have websites and a means of contact.... I would ask them directly all questions pertaining to admissions rather than rely on hear say or 3rd party info..... I think thats the best way so no one gets the wrong information....

my 2 cents..

[trauma]

theres only one way to find out as they say.......... all the schools in the Philippines have websites and a means of contact.... I would ask them directly all questions pertaining to admissions rather than rely on hear say or 3rd party info..... I think thats the best way so no one gets the wrong information....

my 2 cents..
Due to lack of applicants, some schools will accept you with any Bachelors degree as long as you have taken the NMAT. You have to inquire with each schools their requirements, that's the only way to find out.

[tobymd]

Due to lack of applicants, some schools will accept you with any Bachelors degree as long as you have taken the NMAT. You have to inquire with each schools their requirements, that's the only way to find out.
aaaaaaaaaaa....... isnt that what I just said???;)

[tobymd]

IMHO, it would be best to hear the actual and honest opinions and experiences of individuals about the schools and places they attended rather than opinions based on hear say or possibly their prejudices......

It would be nice to see a format like this .........
.......the school you attended; what years you were there; where you lived, stayed, or boarded; what you like and disliked about the school and the place; how the training you received helped you in your practice; the adjustment you went thru, if any, when you went back to the country you are practicing in...... and anything you feel would be helpful to those considering to go to these places......

..........and if you feel comfortable, your nationality........

.... lets be objective

[burmese85]

Does anyone know which Philippine medical schools would accept late applications for April NMAT test takers?

I'm a premed student from the States and just found out about the P.I medical schools which I'm really interested in now....

Can anyone please help in this question so that I could continue to med school straight after I graduate in may 2007!

thanks alot

[Locutusofborg]

I would call CDU and DMSF. Both are good quality schools, and I think they might let you do that.

[trauma]

Try De La Salle or AUF. St. Luke's depending on whether they fill their quotas.

[redsiren]

i was wondering if someone can outline the process for applying in the PI pls. as in what should we do first, cuz i know we have to get visas and evrything from CHED (commission on higher edu).

what are the usual deadlines for applications or does it depend on each school?

if i were planning on coming back to the US to practice, how hard is it to find residency? i heard it was really hard, is that true?

I guess im really looking for a long term basic outline from starting from what u should do while your appling, through med skol, and up until trying to find residency in the US. i know i may be asking for a lot but im really interested and am just thinking long term as well.Thank you in advance!

[burmese85]

I have a question.. which philippine medical school is accredited by Singapore?

thank you

[burmese85]

hi
I have a question about applying to Philippine medical schools..
Do they really require some documents to be authenticated by the philippine embassy?
If so, the cost for authenticating is too expensive (25$ per document)!!!
if I want to apply to like 3 schools then it will cost around 300$ for all the required documents to be authenticated.

Suggestion from any foreign applicant to reduce this cost?

thanks alot

[deimz]

Is there anyone here from St. Luke's Med? I'm interested in applying... but my GPA's kinda low.. Any recommendations? Any idea on how much their alien fee is? Thanks!

[umsls]

Hi Jingos85,
First of all, verybody who visits this section should appreciate the time and effort you put to gather all this info.
There are couple of updates.
Out Lady of Fatima has affiliation hospitals in US so one can spend three years of Pre-clinical in Philippines and one year of clerkship in US.
They also allow to take USMLE after two years of Pre-clinical.
I'm planning to go in Jun 2007. Anybody els is go in Jun 07?

[tobymd]

i was wondering if someone can outline the process for applying in the PI pls. as in what should we do first, cuz i know we have to get visas and evrything from CHED (commission on higher edu).

what are the usual deadlines for applications or does it depend on each school?

if i were planning on coming back to the US to practice, how hard is it to find residency? i heard it was really hard, is that true?

I guess im really looking for a long term basic outline from starting from what u should do while your appling, through med skol, and up until trying to find residency in the US. i know i may be asking for a lot but im really interested and am just thinking long term as well.Thank you in advance!

I can only speak about folks I personally know who have done this ... and none of them had problems getting residency....theres hundreds of MDs who graduated from Philippine med schools in the US.

As to deadlines and other information, I would contact the institution directly to get the facts.

[filipinofromflorida]

Hey can you send this to me via email?

warc0004@yahoo.com

[drthomas]

Hi,
U have posted information on Phillipines Medical School, U have taken lot of time for that.
Can i have your numbers in Phillipines, i would like to Cal u and talk to you some thing interesting

This is thomas from India.

[kirs]

im taking up my premed here in asia. im planning that after grad, i'll go to the US to take up med. would it be difficult for me to enter a med skul there since i just took up my premed here?

[tobymd]

im taking up my premed here in asia. im planning that after grad, i'll go to the US to take up med. would it be difficult for me to enter a med skul there since i just took up my premed here?

It usually depends on whether your curriculum is accredited in the US. Generally, the curriculum of most major colleges and universities are recognized in the US. However, you need to check and confirm it. I would start by asking the admissions office of the school you are attending.

Or, even just by common knowledge, have students from your school and country been admitted to US schools without repeating classes. Problems usually only arise when there is a long period after the last time you have attended school and go back again. Thats usually when one needs to repeat classes.

There is also the Education Board of Regulatory agencies that can review transcripts for accreditation along with private but government recognized agencies that do the same thing.

As always, verify information you need. Contact the institution directly. Addresses can be found in the net. Google and research them. Don't rely too much on this forum for critical information.

[tobymd]

Hey can you send this to me via email?

warc0004@yahoo.com

Who are you talking to? and send what?

[trauma]

im taking up my premed here in asia. im planning that after grad, i'll go to the US to take up med. would it be difficult for me to enter a med skul there since i just took up my premed here?
I'm sorry but if you ask this question in the general forum, they will tell you that the chance of getting admitted is very very small. Even international students with top grades (but not US citizens or immigrants) taking their pre-med in the US have a hard time getting into US med schools. Personally, I only know 1 student (US citizen) who got in a US med school after doing her pre-med in Asia. She was a summa cum laude in pre-med and a daughter of a recognized physician in WHO.

[mien_himmel]

hi everyone! what universities that accept tranfer students? i called ateneo, de la salle, and they said they don't accept tranfer international students for the nursing program.

[trauma]

hi everyone! what universities that accept tranfer students? i called ateneo, de la salle, and they said they don't accept tranfer international students for the nursing program.
Try calling Fatima.

[mien_himmel]

hi trauma!! thanks. do you know any other schools?

[tobymd]

hi trauma!! thanks. do you know any other schools?

go to the 1st post of this thread. it shows a listing of Philippine Med schools...

[brook]

i would have wanted to go to UP. unfortunately for me, they only accept highly exceptional students. i'm just average ;)

for those who want to go to med school but are not interested to study in manila (because it's chaotic, congested, gloomy, and polluted), there are excellent medical schools in Davao City (Davao Medical School) and Cebu City (Cebu Doctors, Cebu Institute, etc.) as well.

Campuses are clean and spacious too. Plus, the cost of living is waaayy cheaper. Cebu and Davao also have better weather. Besides, the passing rates for these schools are at par with UE, Fatima and La Salle anyway.

ps: i took my college degree in manila. i also worked corporate for some time there. i have to say, that because of my stay in manila, i appreciate the environment of davao and cebu more. Nice beaches are only a short boat ride away from the cities too.

Party Hard. Study Harder.

just my two cents :cool:

[jaysondeguzman]

Hey what would you consider to be the best medical school in Philippines overall and on Luzon?

[trauma]

Hey what would you consider to be the best medical school in Philippines overall and on Luzon?
I don't think it matters when your goal is to practice in the US. None of them will prepare you for USMLE. The schools that are noted for good graduates like UP and UST are selective of applicants that's the reason they perform well in their local boards. What they teach you among different schools are about the same (UERM, FEU, DLSU, CIM, SLU, AUF).

[tobymd]

Hey what would you consider to be the best medical school in Philippines overall and on Luzon?

What does best mean to you? IMHO, it boils down to the person learning. Remember the ole' saying.... "you can lead the horse to water but....."

Does best mean well known, oldest, newest, most graduates, highest USMLE, etc....?

[Smartguy3316]

If attending a medical school in the Philippines roughly how much does it cost per semester and what schools accept fafsa.

[iguodala_fan]

Does anyone here know the stats of successful applicants to UST, St Luke's or De La Salle Health Sci??? I'm only interested in applying to these medical schools. Thanks.

[trauma]

If attending a medical school in the Philippines roughly how much does it cost per semester and what schools accept fafsa.
Schools that are recognized for loans are UST, Fatima, AUF. Silliman is recognized for undergrads but I'm not sure about their medical school as it is quite new.
Fatima is the most expensive (per their website) and from some report of their students should cost at least $10k a year.
Most private med schools there charge about $1,700 per semester (tutiion and fees) but that does not include your meals and rent. So in a year, you can expect to pay about $3,500 for tuition and fees but you have to budget for at least $6-8K a year as rent and food varies widely depending on the location and your lifestyle.

[trauma]

Does anyone here know the stats of successful applicants to UST, St Luke's or De La Salle Health Sci??? I'm only interested in applying to these medical schools. Thanks.
In terms of getting into these medical schools, stats vary depending on the year. UST is the most selective among your schools. Usually they require a score of 65 in the NMAT (although i heard some got in with lower scores) and no more than 8 failures in your undergrad. St. Luke's and DLSU-HSC are less selective and if you are a fil-am should not have a problem getting in.
Getting OUT or graduating from these schools is another matter as most schools there are difficult (well, most med schools are). Even St. Luke's are getting tough on their exams based on some current students comments.

[iguodala_fan]

In terms of getting into these medical schools, stats vary depending on the year. UST is the most selective among your schools.

I've heard that UST is really hard to get into (especially for fil-ams & foreigners), so I won't even bother applying.

I guess I will only be applying to two.. i've been reading posts on the internet and decided to only consider st. luke's and dls-hsc (in my application next academic year).

[trauma]

I've heard that UST is really hard to get into (especially for fil-ams & foreigners), so I won't even bother applying.

I guess I will only be applying to two.. i've been reading posts on the internet and decided to only consider st. luke's and dls-hsc (in my application next academic year).
It's not that hard to get a 65 in the NMAT. However, they have tougher exams while IN med schools and is on tight schedule (UST). St. Luke's will require an additional 5th year internship to graduate.

[iguodala_fan]

However, they have tougher exams while IN med schools and is on tight schedule.

So is it possible to take USMLE step 1 just before entering third year as a med student or not at all likely (given the schedule)?

About the NMAT score requirement, I think it takes at least an 80 or above to be considered for admission to UST (although they would probably look at one's application if the 65+ percentile is met).

[GamaInterferon]

:D We are on our own, in regards to the USMLE steps, no matter what school we enter. The question to ask would be, what school has the most grad practicing in the US? This will determine name recognition upon landing a good residency program:). Anyways, any graduate from PI med-school practicing in California? If yes, how did you bypass California's Board clerkship requirements?

[trauma]

So is it possible to take USMLE step 1 just before entering third year as a med student or not at all likely (given the schedule)?

About the NMAT score requirement, I think it takes at least an 80 or above to be considered for admission to UST (although they would probably look at one's application if the 65+ percentile is met).

There are fewer med school applicants each year in the Philippines (it's very impractical to practice there given the low income of doctors). Some got in even with a lower NMAT. You're probably safe at 65 but according to their students (UST) some basic science subjects are tackled in the 3rd year and they have a tight schedule. I don't know with other schools like DLSU-HSC but it might be possible with other schools.

[tobymd]

I've heard that UST is really hard to get into (especially for fil-ams & foreigners), so I won't even bother applying.

I guess I will only be applying to two.. i've been reading posts on the internet and decided to only consider st. luke's and dls-hsc (in my application next academic year).

My Friend, although St Lukes and DLS are good schools, I would not rule out UST, UE, UP or FEU and even the ones in CEBU.

[trauma]

My Friend, although St Lukes and DLS are good schools, I would not rule out UST, UE, UP or FEU and even the ones in CEBU.
It's not that hard to get into most schools there. Some schools are difficult in terms of exams and they tend to "strain" or pyramidalize (FEU,CIM, in milder sense UST) the student population. Only UP tend to be strict in terms of admission and unless you know somebody in the faculty/admissions, it's very difficult for a foreign grad to be accepted there as they prioritize local applicants. I've known applicants who scored 98 in NMAT with MPH in the US who got rejected.

[ichigo100%]

It's not that hard to get into most schools there. Some schools are difficult in terms of exams and they tend to "strain" or pyramidalize (FEU,CIM, in milder sense UST) the student population. Only UP tend to be strict in terms of admission and unless you know somebody in the faculty/admissions, it's very difficult for a foreign grad to be accepted there as they prioritize local applicants. I've known applicants who scored 98 in NMAT with MPH in the US who got rejected.
UP is hard for aspiring applicants of medicine to get into since it is a government funded school most of their selected students are those coming from supposedly low-income families. Other criterias include but are not limited to being a alumni of the school from pre-med course, having high scores in the NMAT as well as in grades in pre-med course and also maybe having a parent who is an alumni of the faculty of medicine of UP itself. :)

[iguodala_fan]

Only UP tend to be strict in terms of admission and unless you know somebody in the faculty/admissions, it's very difficult for a foreign grad to be accepted there as they prioritize local applicants. I've known applicants who scored 98 in NMAT with MPH in the US who got rejected.

UP is hard for aspiring applicants of medicine to get into since it is a government funded school most of their selected students are those coming from supposedly low-income families. Other criterias include but are not limited to being a alumni of the school from pre-med course, having high scores in the NMAT as well as in grades in pre-med course and also maybe having a parent who is an alumni of the faculty of medicine of UP itself. :)

UP is not that good. There are at least five medical schools in the Philippines that are way better.

Who cares about the university of the philippines?

[trauma]

UP is hard for aspiring applicants of medicine to get into since it is a government funded school most of their selected students are those coming from supposedly low-income families. Other criterias include but are not limited to being a alumni of the school from pre-med course, having high scores in the NMAT as well as in grades in pre-med course and also maybe having a parent who is an alumni of the faculty of medicine of UP itself. :)
I came from that system and you will be surprised that in MED School (not the undergrad populations) majority comes from rich families. Some were even born in the US but studied there since grade school.

[trauma]

UP is not that good. There are at least five medical schools in the Philippines that are way better.

Who cares about the university of the philippines?
Most schools teach the same curriculum and use the same textbooks. The only reason UP grads do well is SELECTION of students. But I agree that I don't see any advantage in terms of teaching especially if you are aiming for USMLE.

[tobymd]

I still don't see the point about all the arguments about which schools prepare you best for the USLME. The bottom line is that grads from the Phillipines, be it med, nursing, engineering, etc school are still able to pass their respective exams, get accepted in residency programs as applicable, pass the boards and practice their professions effectively. And I would say that this is true for grads from most Asian countries.....

[hunteradam07]

I still don't see the point about all the arguments about which schools prepare you best for the USLME. The bottom line is that grads from the Phillipines, be it med, nursing, engineering, etc school are still able to pass their respective exams, get accepted in residency programs as applicable, pass the boards and practice their professions effectively. And I would say that this is true for grads from most Asian countries.....
Well it's a big deal to be able to pass USMLE and it's a big deal if your cirriculum is more tailor to USMLE (IE those carribean schools). I think you have to look at the timing of residency application in US. For all residency program in US, you must completed both steps prior to Oct of your match. Now if you look at when PI medical students graduate (April) which mean you have only 5-6 months to pass both steps and get all the necessary documents requires by ECFMG. So if your cirriculum is tailor more to USMLE, it would save you tons of time when you have to take your steps by the simple fact that PI med schools based on memorization while USMLE based on concepts. It's a different way of looking at things trust me on this. Most everyone of my classmates and friends from UST, Fatima, and FEU have to take up to 6 months to study for their step 1, while some of my undergrad friends who went to US medical schools or Carribean only take about 2-3 months for their test. They jz study during the summer break and passed. Furthermore, here is the main point USMLE cirrculum also designed to have timing for match in mind, what i mean is if you go to US schools or Carribean schools, they make sure you take your step one by second year, step 2 by fourth year. Therefore, you will have all the requirements for your match prior to graduation instead of taking at least one to two years off while trying to get all those things done in PI medical schools system. OH, i forgot to mention PI medical schools only have 52 weeks of clinical rotations while US and Carribean have 72 weeks, which is the requirements for California residency programs. So you see it's not jz matter of what school in PI you want to go, you have to look at the whole BBBBIIIIIGGGG picture. I know it's a lot of information for you to digest now. So dont take my words for it, jz do your own research and find out for yourself. Good luck

[tobymd]

I am not disagreeing with your info. However, one also needs to consider other factors. I understand that timing is important if the person wants to adhere to a tight sequence or schedule. Other factors such as financial impact and also ensuring that one is able to have plenty of time to review and not be in a rush comes in play. It seems that this works more for Phil grads.

I have yet to see your concerns to have been a problem with Phil grads. Its a minor issue that has almost no bearing to their objectives which is to meet all the requirements and practice later on.

As I mentioned in another post, I am surrounded by family and friends who graduated from the Philippines and have never heard them express the concern that you mentioned. They are all practicing very successfully - and with no loans to pay:).

[trauma]

I am not disagreeing with your info. However, one also needs to consider other factors. I understand that timing is important if the person wants to adhere to a tight sequence or schedule. Other factors such as financial impact and also ensuring that one is able to have plenty of time to review and not be in a rush comes in play. It seems that this works more for Phil grads.

I have yet to see your concerns to have been a problem with Phil grads. Its a minor issue that has almost no bearing to their objectives which is to meet all the requirements and practice later on.

As I mentioned in another post, I am surrounded by family and friends who graduated from the Philippines and have never heard them express the concern that you mentioned. They are all practicing very successfully:).
In business, they call it loss of income from cost opportunity. That is only relevant if you are carrying a big loan especially if you are going to study in US or Caribbean. It is important for them to take the exams right away as they need the extra years of early employment to pay off their debts. I don't think this may be relevant to Philippine schools as the cost is low enough to finish debt-free. HOWEVER, it is a problem if you are borrowing money to subsidize your Philippine education as most likely you'll be going to primary care.

[hunteradam07]

I dont have a problem with PI grad since I m a PI grad myself. I thought i was trying to help you and others in understand the scheduling of residency programs in US. Another problem if there a big gap btw your graduation and your residency applicaton, then most residency programs will have problems with this. The bottomline is do what best for you and your family. If money is an issue, then go to PI med schools. However, do it with the understanding of many significant problems that you will face interm of timing and residency. Keep in mind you only have 52 weeks of clinical rotations which will eliminate lot of west coast residency programs already.

[tobymd]

I dont have a problem with PI grad since I m a PI grad myself. I thought i was trying to help you and others in understand the scheduling of residency programs in US. Another problem if there a big gap btw your graduation and your residency applicaton, then most residency programs will have problems with this. The bottomline is do what best for you and your family. If money is an issue, then go to PI med schools. However, do it with the understanding of many significant problems that you will face interm of timing and residency. Keep in mind you only have 52 weeks of clinical rotations which will eliminate lot of west coast residency programs already.

just so happens that the grads I am exposed to are not interested in the west coast. I am in the midwest. Thats only one state out of 50. There 49 other states to consider. no concerns here.

I know many of those who decide to attend US schools or any other school that charges more han PI schools are not too happy about the expense. I do not believe that the reason folks who atend PI schools do it mainly due to cost although am sure that is a factor. I plan to send my kids to PI schools for practical reasons. It does not make sense to spend 10X more to attain the same thing. Yes, I am aware there are some limitations if one wants to specialize but there are ways around it.

[hunteradam07]

Uh, it's not jz California, how about Orgeon, Washington, Texas, Chicago that require 72 week rotations. I think u really need to do more research before you decide, because it seems to me that you dont have enough information to make an inform decision. By the way there are more than 30+ residency programs in the west coast which just be excluded.

[tobymd]

Uh, it's not jz California, how about Orgeon, Washington, Texas, Chicago that require 72 week rotations. I think u really need to do more research before you decide, because it seems to me that you dont have enough information to make an inform decision. By the way there are more than 30+ residency programs in the west coast which just be excluded.

I guess maybe I don't really understand your concerns... all I can say is that ALL the Phil grads that are either related to me or my acquaintances have never expressed the concerns you are mentioning:confused:. Ok so thats 5 States. Theres 45 more... lets just say you are delayed a little bit. So, whats the rush?

There is a new batch of Phil grad residents that came to town that I recently met and again, no such concerns. I'm sorry that I don't see see the issue here.

So, I will just have to leave it at that:). Happy Thanksgiving!

[hunteradam07]

Well here is the issue, if you waste at least on year of your earning potential which mean that 40G+ for one year of residency and then 100G+ after your residency. So basically you will lose at least 140,000 dollars for that one year. So if you can afford to lose that kind of money, then more power to you. And for those who cant afford it and has to make a living right away, then make sure you make the right decision about where you want to go to school.

[trauma]

I guess maybe I don't really understand your concerns... all I can say is that ALL the Phil grads that are either related to me or my acquaintances have never expressed the concerns you are mentioning:confused:. Ok so thats 5 States. Theres 45 more... lets just say you are delayed a little bit. So, whats the rush?

There is a new batch of Phil grad residents that came to town that I recently met and again, no such concerns. I'm sorry that I don't see see the issue here.

So, I will just have to leave it at that:). Happy Thanksgiving!

Many of the Philippine grads actually don't have restrictions IF they do an extra (5th year) rotating internship. That is a requirement for Filipino citizens before they can take the local boards (Philippines). But if you only do the 4th year clinical, then you will be restricted in practice in terms of geography. If that is acceptable, then there is no problem.

[tobymd]

Well here is the issue, if you waste at least on year of your earning potential which mean that 40G+ for one year of residency and then 100G+ after your residency. So basically you will lose at least 140,000 dollars for that one year. So if you can afford to lose that kind of money, then more power to you. And for those who cant afford it and has to make a living right away, then make sure you make the right decision about where you want to go to school.

The proof is in the pudding. Just look at all the Filipino and Filipina physicians successfully practicing in the US:D.

Also, best to review properly even if it takes time in order to get a good score for better matching. Plus no loans ($50k-$80k x 4-5 years) to pay off:shock: after.

[lrry]

You're Talking Very Very Very Small Percentages Here..... The Philippine Docs Are Going Into Nursing.....reality Is.....no Money....americans Can Afford It!!!!! That's Reality

[tobymd]

You're Talking Very Very Very Small Percentages Here.....
I guess I can't really say what the percentage is but statistically, I know its high...
The Philippine Docs Are Going Into Nursing.....reality Is.....no Money....americans Can Afford It!!!!! That's Reality
You are referring to the locals. Yes, some are going into nursing NOT because they cannot afford to go to med school but for other reasons.......

although, this discussion was really not about the locals but more for those from here and are considering to study abroad and come back to practice in the US.....;)

[trauma]

The local docs there that are going into Nursing are either old graduates who are not willing to sacrifice time and money for USMLE or average students from mediocre med schools. Majority of the recent graduates of top schools there (UP, UST, etc) are still taking the USMLE. Majority cannot afford the expenses required for matching in the US system.

For US based pre-meds, the only disadvantage (of Phil schools) I can see is if you are not content with primary care (IM, Peds, FP). I can count with my hands the people I know who recently (last 10-15 years) got into surgical fields.

[tobymd]

(I posted this in another thread but seems appropriate here)

There are ways to get in to specialties besides fam prac. Usually requires addtl studies or fellowships. Pathology, surgery and anesthesiology seem to be some that are not-so-difficult areas to get in to based on friends I see who are practicing them.

Based on the obvious fact that Phil Med schools generally tend to be more difficult (although don't see anything harm in that. seems to prepare you more anyway), I wonder how many grads give feedback to their respective alma matter's about their experience after they graduate.

It seems to me that the grads can influence the curricula of the schools as long as they can give them specific examples or cases. It seems that this would be beneficial for the schools and future students. If nothing else, may be the schools should also solicit such feedback. My point is not to make it easy but to make the necessary adjustments to be more up-to-date and applicable to the challenges the graduates will encounter.

To some extent, it should be an obligation the grads should have to their alma matter. Just my 2 cents.

[trauma]

(I posted this in another thread but seems appropriate here)

There are ways to get in to specialties besides fam prac. Usually requires addtl studies or fellowships. Pathology, surgery and anesthesiology seem to be some that are not-so-difficult areas to get in to based on friends I see who are practicing them.

Based on the obvious fact that Phil Med schools generally tend to be more difficult (although don't see anything harm in that. seems to prepare you more anyway), I wonder how many grads give feedback to their respective alma matter's about their experience after they graduate.

It seems to me that the grads can influence the curricula of the schools as long as they can give them specific examples or cases. It seems that this would be beneficial for the schools and future students. If nothing else, may be the schools should also solicit such feedback. My point is not to make it easy but to make the necessary adjustments to be more up-to-date and applicable to the challenges the graduates will encounter.

To some extent, it should be an obligation the grads should have to their alma matter. Just my 2 cents.
The easiest way for an IMG to get into subspecialties is via IM (Internal Medicine) where you can get a fellowship in many fields like Cardiology or Gastroenterology. Unfortunately, Pathology is no longer an easy field to match (it used to be 10-15 years ago). Surgery and Anesthesiology are also very difficult match nowadays for IMG's especially coming from the Philippines. The friends you see practicing these specialties did it many years ago when it was less competitive.
It's very difficult to change the curricula there even as a faculty. Most have their own idea on how to run THEIR system. The thing is they do not have to tailor their curricula for the US as it is not their mission. They are meant to educate Filipinos to practice in the Philippines not the USA.

[iguodala_fan]

...just wanna bump this thread up..:)

[mecbd]

Hello iguodala_fan!

Where are you from? Are you currently studying med in the Philippines?

Thanks

...just wanna bump this thread up..:)

[neuroanatomy]

I am studying at UST. I'll be in 3rd year Med proper this coming school year. My questions are: will I be able to apply for internship in the United States? If I do get an internship in the US, will I be able to take the Philippine board? Thank you very much to those who will take time to reply.

[samahantayo]

No offense but why would you want to do this??

[trauma]

I am studying at UST. I'll be in 3rd year Med proper this coming school year. My questions are: will I be able to apply for internship in the United States? If I do get an internship in the US, will I be able to take the Philippine board? Thank you very much to those who will take time to reply.
The internship they are talking about in the Philippines is different from the internship in the US. Internship in the US is your first year of residency. In the Philippines, it's after you graduate and it's actually a 5th year so that locals can take their local boards. I don't think Philippine schools allow internship to the US and if you are coming from UST, they have a very tight and busy schedule and I doubt you can squeeze any clerkship month outside the Philippines. My advice to you is that if you are a Filipino citizen or a dual citizen (only Filipino citizens are allowed to take the local Phil . Boards), just do your clerkship and internship in UST and take the Phil Boards (if that's what you want). If not, you can graduate from UST after your 4th year and take the USMLE steps.

[neuroanatomy]

The internship they are talking about in the Philippines is different from the internship in the US. Internship in the US is your first year of residency. In the Philippines, it's after you graduate and it's actually a 5th year so that locals can take their local boards. I don't think Philippine schools allow internship to the US and if you are coming from UST, they have a very tight and busy schedule and I doubt you can squeeze any clerkship month outside the Philippines. My advice to you is that if you are a Filipino citizen or a dual citizen (only Filipino citizens are allowed to take the local Phil . Boards), just do your clerkship and internship in UST and take the Phil Boards (if that's what you want). If not, you can graduate from UST after your 4th year and take the USMLE steps.
Thank you for the advice. :)

[neuroanatomy]

No offense but why would you want to do this??
I want to take the local Philippine board so I can practise in my country. But I want to explore opportunities for residency abroad.

[45jeff]

well they only accept becherlor in ** and ba i got LLb can i get away with that ?

Hi BKK girl. According to my understanding, the LLB degree in Thailand (Law degree) is roughly equivalent to a Bachelor of Arts (BA) or a Bachelor of Science (**). However, you would do well to study mathematics and sciences (e.g., Human Biology, Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Physics, Anatomy, Physiology, etc.) before you apply to medical school. According to some sources on this forum, some of these classes can be taken in a Medical Technician program in PI. Personally, I am entering U.S. Paramedic Training in November, 2008. Many similarities in this program with Physician's Assistant or Nurse Practitioner training. (The State of Wisconsin has made this complaint. They seem to think that the paramedic training is too extensive for practical use by emergency medics in the field). Lots of Anatomy, Physiology, Pharmacology and clinical rotations. But it is good training for medical practice in the U.S. setting.
I hope this helps you and maybe I will see you in PI in the future.

45Jess

[trauma]

Hi BKK girl. According to my understanding, the LLB degree in Thailand (Law degree) is roughly equivalent to a Bachelor of Arts (BA) or a Bachelor of Science (**). However, you would do well to study mathematics and sciences (e.g., Human Biology, Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Physics, Anatomy, Physiology, etc.) before you apply to medical school. According to some sources on this forum, some of these classes can be taken in a Medical Technician program in PI. Personally, I am entering U.S. Paramedic Training in November, 2008. Many similarities in this program with Physician's Assistant or Nurse Practitioner training. (The State of Wisconsin has made this complaint. They seem to think that the paramedic training is too extensive for practical use by emergency medics in the field). Lots of Anatomy, Physiology, Pharmacology and clinical rotations. But it is good training for medical practice in the U.S. setting.
I hope this helps you and maybe I will see you in PI in the future.

45Jess
Based on personal experience, the subjects that will help you are Human Anatomy and Physiology (Human Biology is ok), If you can Pharmacology in pre-med then that's a good subject intro for med. Organic Chemistry and Physics are not that useful but Biochemistry is very important. Other Med Tech advantage is in their Microbiology and Parasitology courses.

[45jeff]

Thanks for sharing the personal insight. I am gathering information about the med school processes and I value this type of information. Thai culture is familiar to me and I expect PI culture to be similar. I am thinking of attending SWU in Cebu but I am concerned with getting rotations in the U.S.

45jeff

[Locutusofborg]

45jeff SWU will allow you to take elective rotations in the states, if you can arrange them yourself. Because Philippines has no elective rotations during clerkships, SWU will extend your graduation date in order for you to make up the core time you miss while abroad. However, if you are thinking of doing your CORE rotations in the states, it is very unlikely that SWU will credit the core rotations - you will most likely have to repeat them in the Philippines (the reason is that PI clerkships are very hands on while in the US they leave the hands on stuff for residents).

I think SWU is a good choice (especially since it was my choice!), but I just wanted to give you a heads up on the US rotation situation as it now stands.

[oso]

hi...i am basically an indian but doing medcin in philippines...am currently enrolling into medicine(MD)...i am eager to come to US