Should we say "******, YOU'RE FIRED!!!!!!" ???????

[shockandawe]

In light of Saba, which started sometime in 1993, getting CA approval and Spartan which started in 1980, and is more than double the age of Saba, not acheiving CA approval...

In light of Spartan being left out of one of the WHO editions, because ****** forgot to remind the St. Lucian government of Spartan's existence.. etc, etc, etc..

I believe that changes need to be made. We have to start someplace.. This school has a lot of potential but unfortunately, the administration may need to be replaced... Someone needs to take accountablity...

[shockandawe]

And if anything, they should go and hire a USA dean to replace ******, someone who knows what it takes to make a school work... Then, they should start replacing the faculty with USA faculty. We used to have Dr. ******* and Dr. Logic and we never got any new USA faculty... But most importantly we need a REAL USA dean and we need to start getting approval... Saba has just RUN RIGHT OVER Spartan!!!!!! And we do clinicals at some of the exact same hospitals. They have no Yale affiliate hospitals, their island is a little rock and their campus is half the size of Spartan and they are kicking Spartan's @%^&!!!!!! Why? Mainly because their administration is 100000% better than Spartan... -s&a

[anotherstudent]

the school caters to many students that don't care or too afraid to say anything, but always at the ready to fork over the cash. that's why admin won't do anything. if you all complianed as a collective (which probably won't happen due to the mass amount of weak students) you might get somewhere. i've been sayin' it for a very long time..ADMIN is weak and incompetant.

[shockandawe]

the school caters to many students that don't care or too afraid to say anything, but always at the ready to fork over the cash. that's why admin won't do anything. if you all complianed as a collective (which probably won't happen due to the mass amount of weak students) you might get somewhere. i've been sayin' it for a very long time..ADMIN is weak and incompetant.

These students better start paying attention because if the Spartan admin. doesn't wake up, they are going to have a lot of graduates that are going to be in a lot of trouble... NOT only do the current students have to wake up but also the successful graduates and I know that there are many out there, whom think that by just keeping it low key and minding their business, they will be OK and there is nothing to worry about... But the times are chang'in... There are many more carib schools out there and there are a lot more people watching: states boards and journalists.

The current students should fear not getting licensed more than the stupid administration, which cares sub-zero for their future... If I was there right now, I lead an all-out coup d'etat... The students should take over the school...


****** should be fired!!!!!!!

Those of you that voted for him to stay, why do you think he should stay?? Or is that just the administration voting for itself.... -s&a

[petenwe]

And if anything, they should go and hire a USA dean to replace ******, someone who knows what it takes to make a school work... Then, they should start replacing the faculty with USA faculty. We used to have Dr. ******* and Dr. Logic and we never got any new USA faculty... But most importantly we need a REAL USA dean and we need to start getting approval... Saba has just RUN RIGHT OVER Spartan!!!!!! And we do clinicals at some of the exact same hospitals. They have no Yale affiliate hospitals, their island is a little rock and their campus is half the size of Spartan and they are kicking Spartan's @%^&!!!!!! Why? Mainly because their administration is 100000% better than Spartan... -s&a

yes you can hire anyone but that will cost a lot of money. they will probably hike your tuition

[shockandawe]

$ 3,500 per semester X 10 total semesters X an average of 30 students X 3 semesters per year = $ 3,125,000 per year, THEY ARE MAKING A KILLING!!!

They do not need to increase the tuition, they need to invest in their own school!!!! How much do you think they are paying their current indian professors? 40 or 50 thousand each and there are about 10 of them, OK, even if they were to pay a total of 1 million dollars for their expenses, which is a huge over-estimation, they still have 2 million left over!!!!

If they invest in their school and get CA approval, they can easily increase their average class size from 30 to 60 and double their profits!!! It isn't about raising the tuition, the answer is not that simple and if it were then how do you explain so many schools that charge so much and are still not CA approved...

Having state approval may someday be a matter of survival.... If it is so simple as raising the tuition, then it must be done!!! But I do not think that it is that simple... I think you start by investing in a good administration and this administration, as is, SUCKS!!!!!!!! -s&a

[AUCMD2006]

has changed his mind? i though spartan was the greatest show on earth with nobel laurattes and the best students etc....yea saba kicked spartan down a long set of stairs...

[shockandawe]

has changed his mind? i though spartan was the greatest show on earth with nobel laurattes and the best students etc....yea saba kicked spartan down a long set of stairs...

huh??? Where did I say that Spartan doesn't have among the best graduates in the carib.??? rrod, if you are half as successful as some of those grads mentioned, I will be very impressed with you...

We are talking about the administartion here... -s&a

[shockandawe]

For the 5 or so people that voted for Dr. ****** to stay, I am very curious to know why you think he is doing such a great job???

In less than half the time of Spartans' total existence, Saba has FL, NY and CA approval, SMU has FL and NY and they are on the verge of getting CA, MUA is, at least, applying for NY and ****** has done nothing for us.

Honestly, I think that ****** should resign. In fact, I think they should turn the whole school over or sell it, to someone that knows what they are doing.

Unless, of course, ****** and the owners take it upon themselves to improve the school, to start hiring more qualified professors, (such as ******* and Logic), to start to listen to their students and improve their students perception of the school (so many students hate their own school because of the way that they are treated by Guru and the administration which caters sub-zero to the students and that is why successful graduates with strong careers never want anything to do with the school.) And then, you guys blame the students for hating you so much, you should blame YOURSELVES!!!

Even the people who answer the phone at the NM office have sub-zero skills at how to be patient and talk with the students, in order to help the students, after all, the students are paying your salaries...

The #1 most important thing, applying and getting state approval, start with NY and FL and then CA, otherwise, Spartan is going to be attacked, and your jobs will be at risk, just like what happened with the Courant and eventually the states will make it so that our degrees will mean nothing...

This is a WARNING: You will have to clean up your act... Otherwise, I highly recommend turning the school over to someone else that really cares about the students, the grads, and the school... Someone who will try and make it so that Spartan is never attacked again and someone who will make the school stronger and better, starting with STATE LICENSURE... -s&a

[shockandawe]

Still waiting for a good reason to keep him... :?

My only conclusion: he is voting for himself, along with his friends (the administration). And yet, not one single one of them, can give ONE SINGLE GOOD REASON to keep him... Imagine, neither he nor his people can even come up with ONE SINGLE REASON... That is pretty sad...

The answer is crystal clear, in order for Spartan to progress, we will need a new administration, starting from the top - down... This will be the only way for us to improve and gain state to state approval... In the old days, it was a matter of competition. Now it has become a matter of survival.

Ask yourself this, what is the worst part of the Courant article? Which part really penetrated? Is it that they mentioned some doctor that screwed up??? So what, there are a lot of screw ups in the world, even from USA schools.. Is it that the school was on a small island in a sleepy town? Actually, St. Lucia is one of the better islands.. Is it the facilities? There are a lot of screwed up foreign medical schools from the University of Yemen to the University of Syria and Ethiopia.... Which part really hurt? Which part causes the most damage??? Its the part where they say that Spartan is BANNED!!!!! We need state to state approval, across the board and we need action now...

The fact that Saba got CA, is an indication that it is possible. More, now that CA is showing that they will be more fair, everyone should try their best to comply.. We just need an administration, a leader, someone, that is ready to work for it... -s&a

[dt]

Cant ****** be retrained into a different job?

[shockandawe]

Cant ****** be retrained into a different job?

I hear that Spartan has an opening for a janitor...

Seriously, he cannot run the show anymore.. He has done a horrible job. Look at Saba and SMU, they are running right over Spartan and they aren't half as old as Spartan...

I suppose he could be given another job, with lesser power at Spartan but someone new has to come in to re-organize the entire administration. -s&a

[anotherstudent]

If dumm dumm can't be fired, maybe we can send Doctor H, letters of de-appreciation for all of his minimal effort and support. I forgot. He doesn't have an address.....So scandelous.

[Kirst]

How much do you think they are paying their current indian professors? 40 or 50 thousand each and there are about 10 of them, OK, even if they were to pay a total of 1 million dollars for their expenses, which is a huge over-estimation, they still have 2 million left over!!!!

my two cents... (my brain is currently fried from micb review...)

student population at any given time can be underestimated to 180 students (20 students per trimester for 9 trimesters), generating $1,917,000 US per year. this income excludes all fees collected for transcript, late tuition, graduation, transfer, course repeats... as well as numerous half tuition charges for so claimed "missing exams" and "missing evaluation forms". there may also be "under table" split of clinical fees with jackson park.

assuming that 1/3 of the student population funds their studies by teri loan, the school also may extract income by collecting interest on funds held in hostage for 8 weeks. 60 students x $11,000 US x 3 trimesters x 2 months at 5% annual interest = $16,500 US per year.

salary for full time faculty is currently $1,000-1,200 US per month, grossing mere $12,000-14,400 US per year. there are 13. two just resigned, dropping the figure to 11. overestimation will bring faculty expenses to $187,200 US per year at most ($1,200 US x 12 x 13).

salary for full time employees in security and maintenance is currently $220 US ($600 EC) per month, grossing $2,640 US per year. there are 9. overestimation will bring expenses to $23,760 US per year at most ($220 US x 12 x 9).

salary for full time administrative staffs is currently $450 US ($1,200 EC) per month, grossing $5,400 US per year. there are 6. overestimation will bring staff expenses to $32,400 US per year at most ($450 US x 12 x 6).

so labor wise, it costs approximately $243,360 US per year on vieux fort campus.

as far as new mexico office is concerned- it is not even registered, let alone listed on the business directory in New Mexico, i wouldn't be surprised if it's operating in someone's basement suite- after all, there are only 3 staffs and 2 administrators in total that are known to the public, why waste money renting out an office? salary for accountant, data entry clerk and administrative assitant ranges from $30,000-40,000 US per year. so there goes overestimated expense of $160,000 US. clinical director, with his "Dr." title, i'm sure merits more... say $70,000 US? ringing up to $230,000 US now.

estimated income is solid 2 million dollars per year. costs accounted for? mere $245,000 US for vieux fort labor and $230,000 US for new mexico labor, leaving at least 1.5 million dollars still in the bank.

now there are fees to pay to the government, to the immigrations for visa sponsorships, for utilities and supplies, for possible mortgage costs for vieux fort campus, to host occasional dinner socials for faculty and staff... and of course, to fly out two useless people from new mexico every trimester to feed useless theories to students and deliver clinical booklets. aol email address is free as far as i know. $20 US per month internet service and one telephone line at new mexico office...

that's a lot of profit for incompetence and dishonesty in my opinion. you ask "why not improve and cash in more profit?" well that's just TOO MUCH WORK. besides, i think the school reputation has regressed beyond point of repair.

[Kirst]

yea saba kicked spartan down a long set of stairs...

only if spartan administration would care... new mexico = NO SHAME!

they sleep fine at night counting their million some profit. it's only us tossing and turning at night living with the worst of worst reputation tagged on our cv.

[ASIANDOC]

Kirst
New Mexico is one of the tough but fair states that adopted CA list with modification[if you come from unapproved school,hold license in another state for 3 yrs and get BC then you apply].If Spartan using NM office and making many people angry ,such people will complaint to the DA and they will make it tougher on grads.......why 180 people and over 300 licensed physicians accepting all of this?why the Island staff accepting such low salary and even the faculty salary so low?who is going to repay students loans after completing the education and unable to get license due to school mismanagment?
All of you must act now before your future and the future of hundreds of families get destroyed,I have no idea how people are able to focus on their future when their own school adding so many road blocks to make it even tougher on them.
CA advocate should focus on school rehab. and that will have more positive outcome to get approved,I hate to say it but in reality class action lawsuit should be against the school to demand action because lack of action will put everyone's career at harm.
Spartan like when a resident doing poor job and his director tells him shape up,he not only ignores the warning but starts to miss rounds,do't answer the pages,sleeps on the job until they tell him "you're fired"....
good luck

[sean]

Kirst
New Mexico is one of the tough but fair states that adopted CA list with modification[if you come from unapproved school,hold license in another state for 3 yrs and get BC then you apply].If Spartan using NM office and making many people angry ,such people will complaint to the DA and they will make it tougher on grads.......why 180 people and over 300 licensed physicians accepting all of this?why the Island staff accepting such low salary and even the faculty salary so low?who is going to repay students loans after completing the education and unable to get license due to school mismanagment?
All of you must act now before your future and the future of hundreds of families get destroyed,I have no idea how people are able to focus on their future when their own school adding so many road blocks to make it even tougher on them.
CA advocate should focus on school rehab. and that will have more positive outcome to get approved,I hate to say it but in reality class action lawsuit should be against the school to demand action because lack of action will put everyone's career at harm.
Spartan like when a resident doing poor job and his director tells him shape up,he not only ignores the warning but starts to miss rounds,do't answer the pages,sleeps on the job until they tell him "you're fired"....
good luck

Asiandoc,

I think Spartan does not consider the NM "facility" as an "office" per se. It's probably supposed to be more like a .... hmmm......"conduit" to the official office in St. Lucia. I think the checks that are sent there are not even deposited in an American bank but in a St. Lucian one.

Kirst,

Hope studying is going well. Agree with your point that the school should be able to do more with their financial resources. The "we are a poor school" argument only flies to a certain extent.

Anyway, take care. - S

[ASIANDOC]

Thanks sean.reading messages from you ,Kirst,and Shockandawe tells us spartan has very good and professional students/alumni.
going back to my argument,my lawyer in the past told me that any college or company gives a contract or its brochures bothy are binding promise[or contract] and violating such promise considered a breech.
readind Spartan website they state that the school follow US standards but in reality that is untrue.
from the website Q&A [freq asked questions section]

"Q: Is the School accredited by the LCME?

A: The Liaison Committee for Medical Education of the American Medical Association only accredits medical schools in the United States (including Puerto Rico), and Canada. However, the SHSU's curriculum follows closely the standards set by the above mentioned committee."

[shockandawe]

they sleep fine at night counting their million some profit. it's only us tossing and turning at night living with the worst of worst reputation tagged on our cv.

Very sad for to read what so many students have to endure...

When I had asked Dr. P***, in front of the entire school, which states we were allowed to practice in, he said that we can practice in all of the states except CA. A friend of mine recently called the New Mexico office and they told him the same thing. They said that Penn and NJ require a lot of paper work but all of the states including TX are fine except to avoid CA.

ASAINDOC, they can be sued for lying to everyone. They are still lying, even now...

Kirst, they can sleep well at night but we all know that if they do not act soon, their millions are in jeopardy. Its just a matter of time before it is GAME OVER.

All we can hope for is that someone will buy the school from these horrible people. -s&a