Congrats to SABA on California approvals,When CA reviewing S

[ZAATARI]

we should extend our congrats to SABA for California state Approvals.
Does anyone know when the board visiting Spartan?
Good Luck

[azskeptic]

we should extend our congrats to SABA for California state Approvals.
Does anyone know when the board visiting Spartan?
Good Luck

Has Spartan applied?

[ZAATARI]

I would hope that they are in the process of applying because what I understand many states will relay on CA assessments for reviewing the quality of med schools[CA,IN,NM,VT,...etc].All Spartan has to do is to follow SABA model[curriculum,clinicals and faculty quality]That is not much to ask.the cirriculum should be ok,the clinicals are basically the same,the faculty must improve[non with established records in USA],
good luck to St Mathews also because they deserve it.

[anotherstudent]

dr. *** *** is way to ****** to do that.

[shockandawe]

Congratulations to Saba for getting CA approval and congrats to SMU for doing the right thing and applying for CA approval. I am pretty sure that if Saba can get it, SMU will get it as well... -s&a

[anotherstudent]

dr. *** *** is way to ****** to do that.
to the censorship board:
Isn't our diaper in a twist? Is the word stupid to offensive for angelic ears? I write how i feel about a topic within reason. if your ears are to fragile for what i have to say, then you can do the editing for me.

[mindprobe]

I must step in here to disagree with the assessment that Saba and Spartan are on the same level. This is highly FALSE. I rotated with students from Saba and they were far better prepared than I was...in EVERY way (academically and clinically). In addition, the clinicals are NOT the same because they are able to do clinicals that are AFFILIATED WITH THE SCHOOL in states like Florida and New York where Spartan has absolutely no affiliations. Spartan has also lost Griffin now from what I hear, which did give exceptional Spartan students an opportunity to rotate with Yale students. All in all, it seems to me that Spartan has digressed rather than progressed, and because of that the Stafford Loan and CA approval are, in my opinion, a long time coming.

[anotherstudent]

i voice another opinion, so now i get a warning. go ahead and big deal. i still think your weak.

[shockandawe]

I must step in here to disagree with the assessment that Saba and Spartan are on the same level. This is highly FALSE. I rotated with students from Saba and they were far better prepared than I was...in EVERY way (academically and clinically). In addition, the clinicals are NOT the same because they are able to do clinicals that are AFFILIATED WITH THE SCHOOL in states like Florida and New York where Spartan has absolutely no affiliations. Spartan has also lost Griffin now from what I hear, which did give exceptional Spartan students an opportunity to rotate with Yale students. All in all, it seems to me that Spartan has digressed rather than progressed, and because of that the Stafford Loan and CA approval are, in my opinion, a long time coming.


Mindprobe, what the heck are you talk'in about??? Did it ever occur to you that Spartan has all types of students, some excellent, some poor??? Did it ever occur to you that you might be a poor student??

Another thing, mindprobe, you are absolutely wrong about NY and FL, there are Spartan students that have done and continue to do ALL of their rotations in FL. About NY, its true that Spartan students are only allowed no more than 12 weeks of rotations in the state on NY, but you are wrong about Spartan not having affiliations in NY, DEAD WRONG, once again!!!! Because Spartan does have affilaited hospitals in NY... Which hospitals? I'll leave it to you to do your homework. but lets just say, they are located in Brooklyn, FarRockaway, and Niagra Falls...

Are Spartan students doing rotations in NY and FL? Yes, they are... Are there residents in the state of NY and FL that are Spartan grads? The answer is YES!!! Are there licensed physicians, from Spartan, licensed in the states of NY and FL??? ABSOLUTELY YES!!!

Some of us have matched in programs that people from Saba, Ross and SGU would only in their wildest dreams get... From Harvard to the Mayo clinic.. Then what is the problem? Is it that Saba has a better campus? The answer is no, I saw it, they have a little piece of crap campus in a virtually dead island and their professors are students too, at the same time, at the same place... At Saba, your biochemistry classmate is your microbiology professor. And you thought Dr. D was bad??

Then, what is the problem? The problem that we are dealing with is that, what Spartan is doing, by not catering and complying with the state boards of places like FL, NY and CA, they are playing a very risky reckless game... One day soon, they might lose and we know from the way they handled the Staffords that when Spartan loses stuff, there is a possiblity of losing it forever... It is just reckless, what they are doing, which is doing nothing at all... -s&a

[ZAATARI]

Mindprobe
the school is behind in many ways and no one can argue with that but to say spartan students are not as good as other schools is simply not true and you should only speak about yourself.in every school you have good and bad including US schools[I was a faculty in 2 US schools].In my class about 30%did not make it,20%went into administration jobs[running companies they had,lawyers,went to foreign countries like saudi arabia to run daddy's hospital,...etc and about 50%including myself became very successful,I went to top fellowship in the country and in May named best physician award for " providing superior care/best doctor award" 500 MD's nominated most from top US schools.most of my classmates went to top places like Harvard radiology residency,brown hematology/oncology residency,univ penn ortho,yale cardiology,yale neurology,venderbilt neonatology,columbia pysch,mayo family medicine,...Its sad that no alumni association exist because none of my classmates listed with spartan website or anywhere else,and I can't mention any names here.Regarding rotations we did ours at Mt Sinia/case western affiliate in cleveland,many did it at niagra falls memorial...

[anotherstudent]

i think most people know the deal about spartan. many have went on to residency and many have went on to sell cotton candy at the circus. some make it and some don't. and that's the truth.

[ZAATARI]

and that goes to most carribean schools also high number of other schools[many of African,Asian grads drining Taxi cabs in NY]awaiting to pass USLME anf residency acceptance.

[ZAATARI]

Carribean Grads must do better then US grads and that is not an option.If US or non- carribean IMG grad make big mistake and commit malpractice act he/she will pay for it and it will be called human mistake[we all human and make mistakes],but if Spartan or any carribean school grads commits minor error then it will be a headlines and breaking news and will be Finito for this doctor career in most cases,therefore a carribean grad must be super doctor in order to survive,I am sure[may be not in my time]such discriminatory attitude will be a federal crime in the future.

[anotherstudent]

if Spartan or any carribean school grads commits minor error then it will be a headlines and breaking news and will be Finito for this doctor career in most cases.
it's only headlines on this forum. in the real world, it's no different from anyone else (excluding gross negligence).

therefore a carribean grad must be super doctor in order to survive,.
most img's that are in residency or practice are doing just fine, and many of them are average doctors. nobody really cares as long as your doing your job.

I am sure[may be not in my time]such discriminatory attitude will be a federal crime in the future.
well have to wait and see.

[shockandawe]

In my opinion, any carib. grad, from any of the carib. schools, that can pass their boards and make it into a residency in the USA, must have a lot of heart... Because it takes a lot more passion and drive to make it from the caribbean. Although, it is by no means impossible, it certainly takes a lot more self-effort, self-determination and will, than by being spoonfed in the USA.

Going to the carib. is never the first option for those seeking to be physicians, but for many, it is the only option. As for those who give up your comforts to come to a third world country such as St. Lucia, Saba, Dominica, etc and study your brains off, at any costs, make it into USA residencies, provide excellent care to our patients here in the USA, and win awards such as Physician of the Year, hats off to you...

ZAATARI, you are bringing up some extremely important points!!! It is already a huge black mark to be called a caribbean graduate, now super-impose the fact that you have an article out there saying that your school is "banned", even though you might be one of the top physicians in your field, you can and will be targeted... This is really too bad because there are a lot of top physican from places like Spartan that will be discriminated against and targeted.

In the old days, the school could just slip under the radar but with the internet and the mass production of new caribbean schools, those days are gone. Spartan now has to play an active role in complying with state boards and achieving a good PR campain. Changes need to be made now more than ever before... -s&a

[anotherstudent]

In my opinion, any carib. grad, from any of the carib. schools, that can pass their boards and make it into a residency in the USA, must have a lot of heart... Because it takes a lot more passion and drive to make it from the caribbean. Although, it is by no means impossible, it certainly takes a lot more self-effort, self-determination and will, than by being spoonfed in the USA.
True. I agree.

Going to the carib. is never the first option for those seeking to be physicians, but for many, it is the only option.
well..we can never say why someone does something. people go to the caribbean for a variety of reasons. to say they couldn't get in somewhere else is only speculating.

As for those who give up your comforts to come to a third world country such as St. Lucia, Saba, Dominica, etc and study your brains off, at any costs, make it into USA residencies, provide excellent care to our patients here in the USA, and win awards such as Physician of the Year, hats off to you...
sure why not.

ZAATARI, you are bringing up some extremely important points!!! It is already a huge black mark to be called a caribbean graduate,
Nobody calls a practicing resident or attending physician a caribbean graduate out of negativity (FACT). Those that crash and burn on the sidewalk well that's another story.

now super-impose the fact that you have an article out there saying that your school is "banned", even though you might be one of the top physicians in your field, you can and will be targeted...
Who is going to target you? your collegues...your patients? If you are at the top of your field, your sweet sailing. in retrospect..if you went to a crappy school and become the top dog in your field, i can't think of a greater accomplishment. sort of like slappin' some faces.

This is really too bad because there are a lot of top physican from places like Spartan that will be discriminated against and targeted.
I'll have to disagree here. I think those that are in gross mal practice suits would have to worry about this.

In the old days, the school could just slip under the radar but with the internet and the mass production of new caribbean schools, those days are gone.
I agree.

Spartan now has to play an active role in complying with state boards and achieving a good PR campain. Changes need to be made now more than ever before... -s&a
I doubt this very seriously. The only good thing that has happened so far is that the incompetance of Admin has been broadcast over the internet.
I mean have you ever spoke to that I%!%#...? (i'm trying to keep diaper rash happy).

[shockandawe]

Anotherstudent,

I do not remember if you are a Spartan graduate or just went to Spartan for a little while, but by a couple of your comments, I am 99% sure that you are neither a resident nor a practicing physician. Let me explain why..

Imagine if you would, that you are a Carib. graduate resident at some big hospital and you are doing rounds and then the attending starts pimping you. You are having a bad day or you are just not very familiar with this topic and you miss a lot of questions. Your confidence goes down. Now you feel like %^&*. Later on, you are working with that same attending who thinks you don't know crap and he asks you, "So, anotherstudent, what medical school did you go to?" Now your face turns red. "Um, well, I went to school at Spartan." "Where?" he asks. You reply, "I went to school in the caribbean." "Of course", he says to himself. And now, anotherstudent, for the rest of your rotation, you have to suffer thru trying to change what these people think of you... It is very important because your career depends on it. For not only do you have to be as good as the USA graduates but you have to be BETTER, much better... (Any single Spartan resident that reads this senario, can confirm it for you, anotherstudent, especially the ones at big high powered university hospitals...) Not to mention, God forbid, that attending goes on the internet and finds the Courant article...

As far as a practicing physician from any medical school, is concerned, I know of very few that have not run into some kind of litigation of some kind.. This is also very field dependent, surgeons get sued more than dermatologists, etc... But you can find yourself up there on the stand and your education might be questioned. More, some hospitals might question your schools education and not allow you priviledges... This has not happened yet, but who knows what the future will hold...

As far as a top notch physician is concerned, such as ZAATARI, he will probably be safe... But even people like ZAATARI, who have made such a successful career for themselves and are helping educate and contribute to society, say to themselves, "Why do I have to have this Black Mark on my record?" And even they, get red in the face when asked what medical school they graduated from...

It doesn't have to be completely this way, if we could only, at least, a little bit, be proud of our school but that will only happen if Spartan starts taking some of our suggestions, which we have been telling them since the beginning of time.. Such as applying for state approval, improving student services, updating and improving the website, bringing in new USA professors, starting an alumni club, etc, etc, etc...

Anotherstudent, I understand your anger and I understand your frustration. Spartan alumni, students, etc are going to start needing therapy. They might even come up with specialists, just for people whom have been thru the caribbean medical school experience.. I will be first in line...

Do you know what the worst part about it is? We feel powerless...

If only I were a multi-millionaire, I would buy the school and fire everybody!!! Then, I would hire DT to do the website, the AZ to be my PR guy, I would make ZAATARI our dean, and Anotherstudent would be in charge of Student Affairs. Then, our school would kick sgu's *%& all over the place!!!!!! -s&a

[lacarthic]

I am not a Spartan student but if you go to the California Medical Board's website they have Spartan as a disapproved school I don't know if this has changed or if they are coming back to Spartan but I just thought I would inform those that don't. If the CA board is coming good luck!!!

[anotherstudent]

I do not remember if you are a Spartan graduate or just went to Spartan for a little while, but by a couple of your comments, I am 99% sure that you are neither a resident nor a practicing physician. Let me explain why..

Okay

Imagine if you would, that you are a Carib graduate.
okay.

you are doing rounds and then the attending starts pimping you. You are having a bad day or you are just not very familiar with this topic and you miss a lot of questions. Your confidence goes down. Now you feel like %^&*.

this happens to alot of medical students native or foreign.

Later on, you are working with that same attending who thinks you don't know crap and he asks you, "So, anotherstudent, what medical school did you go to?"

If you are not part of that hospitals medical school system of course they are going to ask you. they always do. more out of curiosity than discrimination.

Now your face turns red. "Um, well, I went to school at Spartan." "Where?" he asks. You reply, "I went to school in the caribbean."

why would my face turn red? am i suppose to be embarrased or something because my school is on a rock? if i don't have respect for my self why should the attending. IMG/FMG's didn't start yeasterday. They have been around for decades. everybody is used to them.

"Of course", he says to himself. And now, anotherstudent, for the rest of your rotation, you have to suffer thru trying to change what these people think of you...

people are going to think of you what they want. you can't change that. only they can. some attendings will think your gods gift to the earth, and others will think your a piece s**t. that's the law of the land. you go with the flow and move on. it happens to everybody.

It is very important because your career depends on it. For not only do you have to be as good as the USA graduates but you have to be BETTER, much better...

you should always strive to be good, but your no good to anyone..if you are on the verge of becoming a basket case.

As far as a practicing physician from any medical school, is concerned, I know of very few that have not run into some kind of litigation of some kind..

if you are a practicing physician you will most likely be sued by someone at least once during your career. sueing your doctor is up there with winning the lottery. you can't win if you don't play. litigants don't care about where you went to school...they just want to get paid. it's business..nothing personal.


Anotherstudent, I understand your anger and I understand your frustration.

i'm not angry or frustrated. i'm just very frank and honest.


Do you know what the worst part about it is? We feel powerless...

your really not powerless. just go out there and do a good job and have a good life. that's where you get your respect from.

If only I were a multi-millionaire, I would buy the school and fire everybody!!! Then, I would hire DT to do the website, the AZ to be my PR guy, I would make ZAATARI our dean, and Anotherstudent would be in charge of Student Affairs. Then, our school would kick sgu's *%& all over the place!!!!!! -s&a
do i get a discount on a strip club franchise?.....LOL.

[shockandawe]

Anotherstudent,

DT was suppose to be in charge of the strip club but you can always negotiate it into you contract... -s&a

[shockandawe]

i voice another opinion, so now i get a warning. go ahead and big deal. i still think your weak.

I do not agree with the censorship board for giving anotherstudent a warning for voicing his opinion about a subject. That was, not, at all, fair!!! You are making this forum into a Big Brother watching you regime. I think you guys should remove that warning immediately. -s&a