Ross Average USMLE scores

[lostone]

Does anyone have the stats on USMLE scores for Ross students?? I want to get an idea on how well Ross is preparing students for the tests..

[Neuro3]

if u find out let us know

[singer]

You may want to call the office in Edison and ask them the question. They may not give you exact figures but may give you a range. On the other hand they might not divulge the info if it would have a negative effect on the Ross image. If you findout post in on this thread.

[mushmouth]

I believe Dean O stated that it was in the 70's and he was even quoted as saying 77% to one group of students, but I might be wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong please. Still kinda vague though and Ross seems to not want to put anything in writing yet...makes you wonder why all the secrecy...hmmm?

[Shah_Patel_PT]

I believe Dean O stated that it was in the 70's and he was even quoted as saying 77% to one group of students, but I might be wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong please. Still kinda vague though and Ross seems to not want to put anything in writing yet...makes you wonder why all the secrecy...hmmm?

Probably below 70.

[singer]

Are you talking grades on the USMLE or percentage of students passing?

[mushmouth]

Sorry lostone, my mistake, I thought you were asking about percent passing. :roll:

[razorback831]

the average is obviously 248

[Linus]

that is about what i heard...i was told 245

[singer]

Just curious if individuals are saying Ross has an average USMLE score in the mid to upper 240's I wonder what the average is for US Medical school graduates?

Anybody have an info on this or a link to a reliable site?

[lostone]

the average is obviously 248

LOL!!!
that's a big laugh.. the average being that high.. right..
two of my friends will be doing their cardiology fellowship, they went to U.S. school, these guys are geniuses.. and they scored around the high 230's.. and they said it was scored out of 260, making them at 88%percentile.. but anyway, if it is true about Ross scoring that much, then I will attend!

[Swaydaa]

My best guess from all the information I know, it's probably around 200. The average from the 15 I know is 198...which does not take into account that 3 of them passed after failing on the first attempt.

[lostone]

with a score of say.. 200 .. would that give you a decent residency for internal/family? I wonder where would a person have to go with a score like that.. would appreciate it if anyone knows a specific place where a person with a score like that from Ross would be placed..
thanx

[tiptop]

For my class the usmle average is in the 220s

[Suzzallo]

the average is obviously 248

LOL!!!
that's a big laugh.. the average being that high.. right..
two of my friends will be doing their cardiology fellowship, they went to U.S. school, these guys are geniuses.. and they scored around the high 230's.. and they said it was scored out of 260, making them at 88%percentile.. but anyway, if it is true about Ross scoring that much, then I will attend!

Some Ross students scored 260s before. I saw some of their names posted on the wall a couple semesters back. I don't know whether the post is still there. Many scored in the 240s and transfered to US school.
We have excellent professors here, so it's all about your effort.

[lostone]

those scores look impressive! I wonder what the mean or median is for each year though.. a couple of high scores really can't say much, except they got some exceptional people that attend there.. what about those who score average, what are the opportunities for them in the U.S.?? Has anyone from Ross scored average and was offered a big city residency, espcially in california or other major states?

[tiptop]

The list that Ross provided in their website give a sample, i know at least 20 from my class not on the list. They matched to Mayo, Cleveland Clinic, Baylor, Upenn....

[smith_99]

The average for the states is 217, for us a couple points lower. Passing is about 70% of first time takers. That 260 business was the highest score, not the average, a couple semesters back. Most people are inflating their scores, just like those back on the island that were getting raw A's on the minis and then somehow failed. You all know who you are. You will be fine if you get around a 200 and want to do internal or family, there are slots that are never filled. You would have more trouble with a competetive field, which anesthesiology is now becoming.

[Suzzallo]

a couple of high scores really can't say much, except they got some exceptional people that attend there..

It proves that the system works. All I know is none of the school on earth will hold your hand to the 230s level.
Good professor + non-distracted study environment + your determine = good score. Ross did its job.
I don't know what else you're looking for to boost your score. Many sources indicated that MCAT score is a good prediction for USMLE score. But it is your own ability. Uh... those Ross people, who got high USMLE score, sure didn't have the high MCAT score. That was why they were here.

btw, it's too soon to worry about USMLE. You should worry about getting through the basic science semeters first. I'm dieing here. I'm busting my butt off every day and praying to pass the class.

[lostone]

point made about the basic sciences.. i was just worried about the USMLE b/c i'm not sure if Ross would be a good choice for me.. I've heard so much negativity about the school, especially from my professors and advisors.. i do feel that in the end, it depends on the individual's ability on the USMLE.. but i'm also worried about getting a job later on assuming i would do averagely on the boards.. it would be nice to know ahead what the politics of things will be for Ross in the U.S., I wonder if the dean would know something about that.. if any of you at Ross get a chance, could you please ask him or anyone who is in the position to know..

[FRNC]

I'd like to suggest that your professors and advisers don't have a clue about Ross. If you have a chance at being admitted to a US Med School by all means GO for it. Unless your professors and advisors are MD's themselves why listen to them? Reportedly Ross provides more 1st year residents in the US than any other Med School in the US, including Wayne State in Michigan (the largest US Med School). Ross provides an opportunity for those students who for whatever reason were unable to obtain admitance to a US school. My kid graduated from a very competitve US University with a respectable GPA and MCAT. My kid didn't even bother to apply to US Med schools but went directly to Ross and so far has continued successfully with a Step 1 score above the mean. If you have a passion for the study of medicne, Ross will provide you with the opportunity to pursue your dream. But you will need to stop listening to "naysayers" and put 110% effort into your pursuit. Best wishes for success in your quest.

[Swaydaa]

friend of mine with 198 has 11 interviews so far. No problem with a 200

[goldielocks]

Good professor + non-distracted study environment + your determine = good score. Ross did its job.

Have you gone out of your freekin mind? What professors are you talking about? ok, there are some, I'll grant you that but the rest are mediocre at best, plus the island sucks and so does the admin.The only thing that high or even passing USMLE scores reflect is that students really worked hard to achieve these on their own, despite Ross. Next you'll be saying that Ross 70% first time passing rate is actually a good thing! Wow, isn't Ross great...talk about spin and disinformation!

[tiptop]

I think they are working for other school's department of propaganda :lol: , If you come to Ross you probably will fail anyway so give it up and just go to lesser school in the caribbeans.

[goldielocks]

You mean working for Ross like yourself, Linus, and Suzzallo, apart from others? and your cheap excuse of blaming other schools....you guys are too funny. Why doesn't Ross just admit the truth? Why else would you need to qualify my comments or make evrything appear as though there are no problems at Ross and it's a perfect world in Dominica...give me a break. Don't you admin people or school staff have something better to do...like your jobs, maybe that's why things don't get done? You guys are just too obvious...how sad.

[tiptop]

No way i would work for Ross, but you have to tough physically and mentally to attend Ross. I advice you not to attend Ross and please apply to lesser school in the Caribbeans where they gladly babysit you.

[goldielocks]

How childish, but I guess if u don't have a good argument, like the truth, u would have to resort to comments like that. Just stop misleading prospective students coz I'm sure they'll check with others. Why don't u guys just level with students? Sooner or later the truth comes out, despite your weapons of mass deception. Why ruin Ross reputation this way?

[Linus]

hey goldie, i dont work for Ross, I am a 4th semester student
what i said previously in the post about the average being a 245 was a joke...it just shows how easy it is to start rumors around this message board
as for what you said about ross...any school has its problems and bad teachers and i dont think anyone is saying ross does not
ross is a school that gives students a chance that could not get into us schools so obivously there pass rate will be lower since some of the students here will not be able to take the stresses of a medical school education
if you work hard, go to class, and study you will do very well

[lostone]

i actually found someone who graduated from Ross.
be nice to be able to contact her for questions
http://www.nuhs.northwestern.edu/bender.html

[goldielocks]

ross is a school that gives students a chance that could not get into us schools so obivously there pass rate will be lower since some of the students here will not be able to take the stresses of a medical school education

What are you talking about, is that how Ross is justifying the low USMLE pass rates, how about just coming out and saying that Ross isn't preparing students the way they should! That's just pathetic Linus, next you'll be coming out with...well would you believe...

Either the students are stupid, which I strongly doubt or Ross is doing something wrong. Otherwise, how is it that the other "lesser caribbean schools", as Tiptop puts, are scoring higher. Well I guess it's because there students were able to take the stresses of med school...hogwash. Let's see what other garbage you guys put out to recruit students...simply amazing!

[Linus]

goldie
the school can only do so much
the student has to put in some effort, which there are many that put in very little
cant just blame the school

[goldielocks]

Linus, I agree that the school can only do so much, but why is it then that Ross students are scoring lower than the other schools...obviously there's something going. Take for example the BMSI course at Ross, which is a waste of time and a joke, at first the school had local instructors (biochemistry dept and others) attempt to do a review and they failed, so Dr. G had to ask the Indian guy (who apparently has been teaching at Kaplan for years) to redo what the local instructors failed to do, in less time of course. This is ridiculous. Why not offer the Kaplan course in the first place...what a concept since the students are already paying $7000+ for the course anyway. Oh I forgot, maybe it's because the students aren't ready for a "real review" course as was told them by an administrator. Is it the greed for money that's blinding Ross and causing it to deny the truth? Surely if you're trying to attract students, deception is not the way coz once students see for themselves they too will spread the word...again deception can only last so long.

[razorback831]

Linus, I agree that the school can only do so much, but why is it then that Ross students are scoring lower than the other schools...obviously there's something going. Take for example the BMSI course at Ross, which is a waste of time and a joke, at first the school had local instructors (biochemistry dept and others) attempt to do a review and they failed, so Dr. G had to ask the Indian guy (who apparently has been teaching at <a target=new href=http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=c97WUMRO5hY&offerid=47491.10002441&type=3 &subid=0 >Kaplan</a><IMG border=0 width=1 height=1 src=http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/show?id=c97WUMRO5hY&bids=47491.10002441&type=3&sub id=0 > for years) to redo what the local instructors failed to do, in less time of course. This is ridiculous. Why not offer the <a target=new href=http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=c97WUMRO5hY&offerid=47491.10002441&type=3 &subid=0 >Kaplan</a><IMG border=0 width=1 height=1 src=http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/show?id=c97WUMRO5hY&bids=47491.10002441&type=3&sub id=0 > course in the first place...what a concept since the students are already paying $7000+ for the course anyway. Oh I forgot, maybe it's because the students aren't ready for a "real review" course as was told them by an administrator. Is it the greed for money that's blinding Ross and causing it to deny the truth? Surely if you're trying to attract students, deception is not the way coz once students see for themselves they too will spread the word...again deception can only last so long.

Where do you go to school???

[Suzzallo]

goldielocks,
Where do you go to school?

[awdc]

Either the students are stupid, which I strongly doubt or Ross is doing something wrong. Otherwise, how is it that the other "lesser caribbean schools", as Tiptop puts, are scoring higher. Well I guess it's because there students were able to take the stresses of med school...hogwash. Let's see what other garbage you guys put out to recruit students...simply amazing!

Dude, just chill... the dip in Step I scores was just from one class, right? What about the semester immediately before them? I'm assuming it went alright for them since we haven't heard anything. I'm just kinda eager to hear about the most recent semester that finished Miami. Shouldn't all their scores be coming back by around November/December?

[tiptop]

Goldie :oops:
You are busted!!

[goldielocks]

Goldie :oops:
You are busted!!

What are u talking about? I'm referring to the first time passing rate for Ross thus far this year, which Ross doesn't even want to publish and avoids by stating that Ross only reports this figure every 22-36 months, which explains the 97% passing rate after multiple attempts listed on it's website? Why is Ross so scared to bring things out into the open...what is it hiding from prospective students :?: One can only wonder.

Really tiptop, u and the other school officials should spend less time trying to misinform students and more time trying to improve Ross...isn't that what u get paid the big bucks to do...then again if u don't have a good product, putting more money into marketing and disinformation may not be a bad idea?

[futuremdsomewhere]

ross is a school that gives students a chance that could not get into us schools so obivously there pass rate will be lower since some of the students here will not be able to take the stresses of a medical school education

What are you talking about, is that how Ross is justifying the low USMLE pass rates, how about just coming out and saying that Ross isn't preparing students the way they should! That's just pathetic Linus, next you'll be coming out with...well would you believe...

Either the students are stupid, which I strongly doubt or Ross is doing something wrong. Otherwise, how is it that the other "lesser caribbean schools", as Tiptop puts, are scoring higher. Well I guess it's because there students were able to take the stresses of med school...hogwash. Let's see what other garbage you guys put out to recruit students...simply amazing!

It sounds like you where one of the students who either could not hack it here or didnt make it in, sorry about that but dont try to take it out on the school.

I took two medical school classes before coming here and the level of education is on par. Every school has good and bad profs. I feel totally prepared so far with the information I have received from Ross. It isnt all wine and roses here but the island really is not that bad. Sure you cant go to the mall or get some fast food at 2am but YOU made the decision to come here, SUCK IT UP.

I say thank you Ross for allowing me to do what I had to do to become a doctor in the quickest time.

[goldielocks]

It isnt all wine and roses here but the island really is not that bad...SUCK IT UP.

I agree, I just don't care for all of the deception and lack of accountability on the part of the admin.

[Linus]

goldie you still never answered the question
what school do you go to or did you go to
admin has noted there was a decline adn that is the reason for the more strict rules about promotion, the increased mps, the extension of 5th semester so you have more time to study for step 1, which the extended 5th is optional
if you actually are a student you should go to the meetings when they discuss things like that
are you wanting them to go on national tv and say they are sorry because a few more people in one semester failed step 1

added:
Also if you go the extra time during fifth, the review course is included

[goldielocks]

...are you wanting us to go on national tv and say we are sorry because a few more people in one semester failed step 1...

Since u want to be sarcastic, please do go on national tv and don't forget to update the Ross website to reflect the recent Step 1 first time passing rate while ur at it.

[tiptop]

Goldie, tell me why you are so bitter ? Did you have a chance to write step 1 as a Ross Student? or you didn't make it to 2nd semester ? How are you doing at the "lesser Caribbean School" ? Did they treat you well ?

[goldielocks]

Haha funny, I guess that will be the new joke: How many Ross officials does it take to silence a person for trying to expose them. Hahahahaha!!!!

[2ndyear]

Haha funny, I guess that will be the new joke: How many Ross officials does it take to silence a person for trying to expose them. Hahahahaha!!!!

Goldielocks,
Do a search of my posts and you will clearly see that I am not a school official. But your views about RUSM are 100% WRONG!!!!!!!!! please go troll elsewhere.

[goldielocks]

So no school official even dares to make an offical statement on Ross Step 1 first time passing rates. It makes everyone wonder why?

[obadya00]

who cares about what admin says. at the end of the day YOU are the only one responsible for your future. if that means you have to do what singer says and eat/sleep/sh+t basic sciences in order to get out of here, then that is what you have to do. admin isn't going to help you pass the step.

who cares what the pass rates of other students are. what is the difference between a 60%-90% pass rate? ross helped me understand that i am not invincible and that i can easily be that 10-40% who fail.

:idea: hence i study more.

[lostone]

who cares about what admin says. at the end of the day YOU are the only one responsible for your future. if that means you have to do what singer says and eat/sleep/sh+t basic sciences in order to get out of here, then that is what you have to do. admin isn't going to help you pass the step.

who cares what the pass rates of other students are. what is the difference between a 60%-90% pass rate? ross helped me understand that i am not invincible and that i can easily be that 10-40% who fail.

:idea: hence i study more.

This is why i wanted to know the average score, at least i'll get an idea if the school is doing its part in preparing the students. I know it varies with the individual, but sometimes an average or a median can make a statement about the school.

[obadya00]

if this school was in the states where most medical schools are standardized (admission regulations), i would agree. however, at a carribean school, there is a vast array of educational levels and scientific knowledge among the students as well as with faculty members. therefore, i believe the numbers (if they are true) should be taken with a grain of salt. i understand that as a potential buyer, one is cautious but once you are on island, getting through is the only thing that preoccupies your mind. it is really important when you read responses from posters to figure out if they are on island, bored teenagers, angry bored adults, doing clerkships, or if they are in heaven (jim).

[goldielocks]

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folks, please do your colleages a favor and stop refering to schools as the big whatever. Rememebr when you were a premed? What sort of info did you want bottom line? Whatever it took to make an intelligent decision. Please, give others the same, wont you? How can you look away?

Premeds: consider these things
1) pass rates on usmle
2)% who get to the usmle with their class and dont decel, drop out or fail
3)can you get licensed in the states youre likely interested in? I couldnt care less about california but many do
4) can you get the residency you want from there? No not alls chools are equal. Ortho is do-able from some more than others. Bottom line. but do you want to do something like ortho, or something like FP? or not sure
5)the consider cost/lifestyle on island/etc
Paying more may not be worth it if you find a school that meets requirments 1-4 for you. Or going to a prettier island. Are you looking for a competitive residency in texas? Better be careful then.
Please, copy cut and paste this or link it if you must, but for the love of all things good and right in this world, please dont give stundets lists of the big whatever. LEt them decide and know why they are chosing these places.
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[tiptop]

How is the "lesser Caribbean School " you are attending? Are you still looking up to us at Ross? I can see that you have an interested in Ross. You have to be mentally and physically strong attend Ross. If you are not then you should attend lesser Caribbean school, there are many of them. Good luck with your future.

[jim]

i checked,a nd I still have a pulse. I guess having the MD means I am inheaven. and you knwo what? my job is awesoem,and every day, I feel like I am in heaven. study hard, ignore the stupid obviously false rumors, and you will be fine.

[BackindaUSA]

I just got done laughing at this thread. You can take this for what its worth. The Ross first time pass % is 50-60%. The overall pass rate for Ross is about 90+%. That means those who failed the first time passed the 2nd or 3rd time. The score average is below 200. Yes, there are some who do well over that. The highest in our class was about 243. And, I don't care what anyone has to say.

If Ross didn't rush students to take the test we would score better. The ** from perri about losing your knowledge and failing after too much time off is pure **. They just don't get it, more time to study means better scores. Ross's UMBR is a joke, so is Kaplan, and there are no buzz words in the USMLE Step 1.

:D

[obadya00]

what do you suggest?

[Daniel]

I just got done laughing at this thread. You can take this for what its worth. The Ross first time pass % is 50-60%. The overall pass rate for Ross is about 90+%. That means those who failed the first time passed the 2nd or 3rd time. The score average is below 200. Yes, there are some who do well over that. The highest in our class was about 243. And, I don't care what anyone has to say.

If Ross didn't rush students to take the test we would score better. The ** from perri about losing your knowledge and failing after too much time off is pure **. They just don't get it, more time to study means better scores. Ross's UMBR is a joke, so is <a target=new href=http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=c97WUMRO5hY&offerid=47491.10002441&type=3 &subid=0 >Kaplan</a><IMG border=0 width=1 height=1 src=http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/show?id=c97WUMRO5hY&bids=47491.10002441&type=3&sub id=0 >, and there are no buzz words in the USMLE Step 1.

:D

The 1st time pass rate may be a smidgen higher but other than that, I think you're pretty much right.