Hi guys can someone please tell me how hard it is to get int

[Medschoolbound786]

Im thinking about pursuing medicine and heard good things about SGU. But im not sure how stringent their application process is. My GPA is not that hot and i have yet to take the MCAT. Discuss...

[KDog]

GPA around 3.3 and above, MCAT around 24 or above average. Just what I 've read but could be off (not by much though).

[Medschoolbound786]

thanks for the info :shock:

[Groove]

GPA around 3.3 and above, MCAT around 24 or above average. Just what I 've read but could be off (not by much though).

Is that gpa, sciences gpa or cumulative gpa? I have a 3.5 graduate level cumulative gpa(no sciences), but my undergrad sciences was a paltry 2.9 and my undergraduate cumulative was around 2.9 also.

[Nimitt]

Its cumulative gpa. But the thing about sgu is that they look at the whole application. So research and work experience as well as extra-curricular activities and volunteer experiences count. So if you are a little weak in the MCAT area or low gpa but decent mcat you can still get an interview and even accepted.
Give it a shot cant hurt to apply. Good luck.

Nimitt
4th year
SGU SOM

[NinjatheGaiden]

hey guys whuts up?!

Im really wondering about this: I wanna try to become an ER doctor,but I hear its like oen of the hardest residencies to get into!

So if I go to SGU will I be able to get a residency in the states?

When i say the above question I mean 'able to get a residency without too much hassle and problems'!!! just wanted to clear that up

PLEASE PLEASE no rumors and such: Only real students who graduated or are going there or very very well informed, reply to this. thank u!

[stephew]

hey guys whuts up?!

Im really wondering about this: I wanna try to become an ER doctor,but I hear its like oen of the hardest residencies to get into!

So if I go to SGU will I be able to get a residency in the states?

When i say the above question I mean 'able to get a residency without too much hassle and problems'!!! just wanted to clear that up

PLEASE PLEASE no rumors and such: Only real students who graduated or are going there or very very well informed, reply to this. thank u! Well...
First I suggest you go to sgu's site and looka ttheir 5 year ER placement.
ER used to be highly competitive but its been downgraded a notch to ver compeititve. What does that mean? You can do it pretty well from sgu BUT you must be a very good student. Its not promised to you. So the hassels are the problems will be up to you basically.

[NinjatheGaiden]

thx for ansering me stephew!

:cry: :cry: sounds to me like its very very hard to get ER placement if I go to st. Georges'! Can one do residency in another kind (like internal or general) and still become ER doc? anyone know or done this?

[Nimitt]

COming from SGU you have a chance as long as you have a good score and LOR. We have about 15-20 graduates each year get into EM.
EM is its own residency and you cannot get into EM through internal medicine. Some EM programs require a one year pre lim medicine but most dont.

Nimitt
4th year
SGU SOM

[geoff]

Sometimes as well ... you do not need to be EM certified to work in the Emergency dept. At Jamaica, we have IM and Family practice doctors working as well. Family practice and peds both offer a 2 year fellowship I believe in EM...so they'd be dual licensed. So there's some different routes.
Geoff

[stephew]

you can do it from sgu but you need to be a very strong student. Please check out old posts and the sgu website; this stuff gets covered a lot and you might find a lot of answers. good luck.

[edved100]

I just wanted to propose a question concerning all this EM talk. I believe I read somewhere on this thread that 15-20% of the class goes on to EM. I think that stat. was somewhat dishearting to a few and that's understandable ....my question is how do you know how many people from each class appy for a residency in EM? Certainly not the whole class....Hypotheticaly if it's 15-20% of the class applying for EM than I'd say we're doing pretty good. Anyway...i'm just a first termer what do I know? Just wanted to convey a thought.
peace out
edved

[stephew]

I just wanted to propose a question concerning all this EM talk. I believe I read somewhere on this thread that 15-20% of the class goes on to EM. I think that stat. was somewhat dishearting to a few and that's understandable ....my question is how do you know how many people from each class appy for a residency in EM? Certainly not the whole class....Hypotheticaly if it's 15-20% of the class applying for EM than I'd say we're doing pretty good. Anyway...i'm just a first termer what do I know? Just wanted to convey a thought.
peace out
edved well wait one sec- the HUGE error here is assuming 100% WANT To go into ER. I assure you it never entered my mind. Usually there is a sort of person who really wants ER from day one and keeps that interest. Thats the usual profile. So your first-termer evaluation is very spot on. Also, bear in mind, 15-20% is probably about the US rate as well- I actually think that's probably a bit high for the % from sgu who go into the field. But whatever the number, its not much lower than many us school figures, and anyone is who dismayed over such figures i think lacks the perspective firsttermer provided.

[stacy_de_lin]

While there ARE docs who had a residency in IM and now work in EM, it is only because they got grandfathered in (some hospitals allow this, some make them go back and do an EM residency). However, as a doc who wants to work in EM now, you have to do an EM residency.

The placements from SGU for EM are pretty good. It is competitive, but it's not as hard as, say, derm or plastics. With decent board stats, it is my understanding that it is very doable.


Here is the SGU Match List from just 2004:

Emergency Medicine
Brooklyn Hospital Center
Durham Regional Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
LAC-King/Drew Medical Center
Metropolitan Hospital Center
Milton S Hershey Medical Center
New York Hospital Medical Center of Queens
Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
Saginaw Cooperative Hospitals Inc.
Sparrow Hospital
St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
University of Connecticut School of Medicine
University of Florida College of Medicine at Jacksonville
Wayne State University/Detroit Medical Center
West Virginia University Hospitals



Here is the list from the last 5 years:

Emergency Medicine
Alameda County Medical Center, CA
Albert Einstein College of Medicine, NY
Albert Einstein Medical Center - Northern Division PA
Albert Einstein Medical Center, PA
Allegheny General Hospital, PA
Beth Israel Medical Center, NY
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Detroit Receiving Hospital & University Health Center, MI
Harper - Grace Hospitals - Grace Division, MI
Henry Ford Hospital, MI
Howard University Hospital, DC
Kings Co Hospital Center, NY
Louisiana State University / Charity Hospital, LA
Maimonides Medical Center, NY
Martin Luther King, Jr - Drew Medical Center, CA
Medical Center of Louisiana at New Orleans, LA
Methodist Hospital of Brooklyn, NY
Metropolitan Hospital Center, NY
Michigan State University, MI
Mount Sinai Medical Center of Cleveland, OH
New York Methodist Hospital, NY
Newark Beth Israel Medical Center, NJ
Rhode Island Hospital, RI
St. John's Episcopal Hospital - South Shore, NY
Sinai - Grace Hospital, MI
Sparrow Hospital Michigan Capital Medical Center, MI
Spectrum Health - Downtown Campus, MI
St. Luke's - Roosevelt Hospital Center, NY
SUNY Stony Brook Health Science Center, NY
SUNY Health Science Center @ Syracuse, NY
University of Connecticut, CT
University of Nevada at Reno, NV
University Hospital-Syracuse, NY
University of Florida College of Medicine, FL
Wayne State University / Detroit Medical Center, MI
West Virginia University Hospital, WV
Yale University School of Medicine, CT

[Medschoolbound786]

: :shock: also Im taking 7 classes that i need as my pre-med requirements...any classes in particular i should take?

[rokshana]

Well, while its true that most non EM trained doc working in the ED were granfathered in you can still work in the ED if you have different training. One of my best friends trained as IM, but worked two years(about 3 years ago) in the ED in a rural hospital (Franklin, Va)(she moved to Hawaii so doesn't work in Va anymore). Generally its IM and FP trained docs that can do this and ususally its an underserved area that will take other training, so if you want to work in a big city level 1 trauma center you'll have to be EM-certified, but the opportunity is there to work in the ED even if you didn't do an EM residency.

[stephew]

in the futre getting em with out em resident will be very difficult outside of rural settings.

[emt036]

well wait one sec- the HUGE error here is assuming 100% WANT To go into ER. I assure you it never entered my mind. Usually there is a sort of person who really wants ER from day one and keeps that interest. Thats the usual profile. So your first-termer evaluation is very spot on. Also, bear in mind, 15-20% is probably about the US rate as well- I actually think that's probably a bit high for the % from sgu who go into the field. But whatever the number, its not much lower than many us school figures, and anyone is who dismayed over such figures i think lacks the perspective firsttermer provided.

Yeah US schools generally place 10-15% into EM. Since about 100% of US grads that want EM get EM, that means only 10-15% want EM. Probably about the same at SGU, so the chances aren't that bad.

<at least I am hoping so>

[Mabel]

Since you already have your bachelor's, you just need to concentrate on doing well on the pre-med courses and getting some clinical experience if you don't have any already.

[4th year in NYC]

Look at the 2004 list of EM residencies and you might find that names/positions are REPEATED from previous years. There are less people who actually make it into EM each year.

[ColetteMaat]

Hello,

I am looking for a friend of mine by the name of Geoff Wenner, who is studying medicine at st georges university. Can anyone who knows him, ask him to get in touch with Colette. email ColetteMaat@zonnet.nl

Thanks :)

[shankar]

While there ARE docs who had a residency in IM and now work in EM, it is only because they got grandfathered in (some hospitals allow this, some make them go back and do an EM residency). However, as a doc who wants to work in EM now, you have to do an EM residency.

The placements from SGU for EM are pretty good. It is competitive, but it's not as hard as, say, derm or plastics. With decent board stats, it is my understanding that it is very doable.


Here is the SGU Match List from just 2004:

Emergency Medicine
Brooklyn Hospital Center
Durham Regional Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
LAC-King/Drew Medical Center
Metropolitan Hospital Center
Milton S Hershey Medical Center
New York Hospital Medical Center of Queens
Newark Beth Israel Medical Center
Saginaw Cooperative Hospitals Inc.
Sparrow Hospital
St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center
University of Connecticut School of Medicine
University of Florida College of Medicine at Jacksonville
Wayne State University/Detroit Medical Center
West Virginia University Hospitals



Here is the list from the last 5 years:

Emergency Medicine
Alameda County Medical Center, CA
Albert Einstein College of Medicine, NY
Albert Einstein Medical Center - Northern Division PA
Albert Einstein Medical Center, PA
Allegheny General Hospital, PA
Beth Israel Medical Center, NY
Brooklyn Hospital Center, NY
Detroit Receiving Hospital & University Health Center, MI
Harper - Grace Hospitals - Grace Division, MI
Henry Ford Hospital, MI
Howard University Hospital, DC
Kings Co Hospital Center, NY
Louisiana State University / Charity Hospital, LA
Maimonides Medical Center, NY
Martin Luther King, Jr - Drew Medical Center, CA
Medical Center of Louisiana at New Orleans, LA
Methodist Hospital of Brooklyn, NY
Metropolitan Hospital Center, NY
Michigan State University, MI
Mount Sinai Medical Center of Cleveland, OH
New York Methodist Hospital, NY
Newark Beth Israel Medical Center, NJ
Rhode Island Hospital, RI
St. John's Episcopal Hospital - South Shore, NY
Sinai - Grace Hospital, MI
Sparrow Hospital Michigan Capital Medical Center, MI
Spectrum Health - Downtown Campus, MI
St. Luke's - Roosevelt Hospital Center, NY
SUNY Stony Brook Health Science Center, NY
SUNY Health Science Center @ Syracuse, NY
University of Connecticut, CT
University of Nevada at Reno, NV
University Hospital-Syracuse, NY
University of Florida College of Medicine, FL
Wayne State University / Detroit Medical Center, MI
West Virginia University Hospital, WV
Yale University School of Medicine, CT

It was stated that you can't work in Emergency Medicine unless you have an EM residency, which is a fallacy. The current state of Emergency Medicine is one that is leaning heavily towards EM boarded doctors, however there are still many areas that take IM or Fam Med doctors into their ERs to work, as they don't have the resources otherwise to run their departments. If you look in many of the big city hospitals, you'll find most staffed by EM boarded doctors, but a number of the smaller (but sometimes no less busy) suburban or rural hospitals are running ERs with family medicine doctors. As well, Family Medicine also has a fellowship (in Tennessee) for Emergency Medicine.

Don't feel dishearted about an IMG education, especially at SGU. I've been finding more and more of the graduates are finding their way into residencies they sought as their first choice. Hard work, especially during your rotations, will earn good recommendations that can help get your foot in the door. Of course, there are always places still that are biased against IMGs, but the list seems to get smaller every day. Just ask our moderator Steph, who ended up at one of the top institutions around.

Shankar Santhanam, MD
Fam Med PGY III
UMDNJ-RWJ @ Capital Health Systems.

[stephew]

thanks shank! speak to you this w-end.

[stephew]

Look at the 2004 list of EM residencies and you might find that names/positions are REPEATED from previous years. There are less people who actually make it into EM each year.Actually not true; more over the last 5 years. Now there may be one or two less from year to another due to the general number interested, but its certainly more each year as a generalization. Plus the number of interviews granted to people interested in the field has gone up.

[geoff]

just as something I've noticed at my hospital...EM appears very popular...but OB/GYN and Psychiatry..particularly are sitting higher than I thought...We'll have to see how things go. Geoff