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doctor2007
08-20-2004, 10:28 PM
I wanted to share with everyone my 1st semester experience as Saba, since I believe it may help perspective students with their transition into medical school at SUSOM. Plain and simple, medical school is hard – long hours of lectures, few hours of study and unlimited amounts of information to grasp. The good news is - 1st semester is nothing like medical school. Well you are in medical school, you will have to study large amount of information and you do only have 15 weeks, but every day you have from 3pm until 11pm to study. That mean you have 8 hours of study time. More than enough to study Anatomy, Histology and Embryology.

Just a little about the island. I like it. It’s small and very humid. It’s nothing like Paradise, but its enough to get us through the 20 months of Basic Sciences. The Bottom has 3 restaurants where students eat – Galaxy, Family Deli and a Chinese Place. The town also has a shopping place called “My Store”. It has pretty much all the necessary foods. Ok, if you are picky about any brands, you may consider bringing it down with you or have it shipped down here. The store provides free delivery of groceries to your dorm or apartment. It is especially helpful to get your H2O delivered since the water is boxed and very heavy.

The Mathew’s Dorm is a great place for 1st Semesters. We are very lucky to attend a school that provides that kind of comfort. I say comfort because you will soon realize after a few days of Anatomy lab that it is very helpful to have a Dorm nearby where you can go change in between courses and take showers after lab. Also it is very affordable. Each semester is $1500.00 which comes down to $400.00 per month. Now the thing about it is that this includes electricity and water. Now some things to watch for is that hot water is only turned on in the morning and in the evening. The people at the dorm will set the time slots they want the hot water turned on. For example, last semesters we had our hot water turned on between 6-9 and 5-8. It worked out perfectly for everyone at the dorm. Another thing to watch for is that the dorm can get pretty loud. That’s why our class put a plan in place where the weekend before the exam, we would have quiet time during the entire weekend. During this period, nobody was allowed to make noise within the hallways. It worked out well for everyone.

Alright, now - the University itself. The school is very beautiful. It is well maintained and very clean (including the bathrooms, cafeteria, etc.) Saba has 5 classrooms, 1 Anatomy Lab, Liberty, Testing Center, Weight Room, Hyperbaric Center and Cafeteria. The classrooms have enough space for about 60 students. Each classroom has a computer, projector and a number of TVs. Furthermore, each classroom has many outlets where students can plug in their adaptors for their computers. The Histology room also contains the microscope for the Histology Lab. Students will be given 1 microscope at the beginning of the semester. It is each student responsibility to safeguard the microscope or you will pay a heavy fee if it is damaged, lost, etc.

Last but no least – 1st Semester courses. For Anatomy get your hands on Baby Moore – do not waste your money on Big Moore book. You won’t be using it at all. You don’t have the time. On the other hand, Baby Moore does a great job and is sufficient for 1st Semester and USMLE. You must get NETTER’s ATLAS. Knowing Netter will make you an excellent student. My advise is to study the Atlas all the time. Know the structures first and than learn the theory. Many students have tried to bit the system, by learning the theory first and than the structures (Lab). Some might have succeeded, but most didn’t. My advise is to study the structures first, spend many hours in the lab (outside the classroom) and than learn the theory. For Histology on the other hand, you have to study the theory first and than the Lab. I recommend only one book for Histology - DiFiore’s Atlas of Histology: With Functional Correlations. It’s all you need. For Embryology – don’t get the book. To many pages, you don’t have time to read it and way to much information. Therefore get the BRS for Embryology. Also get the BRS for Anatomy and Histology. You probably won’t read BRS for Histology now until 3rd Semester when you do Genetics, but it’s helpful from time to time. For 1st semester and from what I’ve heard for all semesters you must have a computer. Many professors uses PowerPoint slides – you will be able to get the slides at the beginning of each lecture. In addition – you must buy a USB Memory Stick, preferable a 256 MB one. It will make things a lot easier. Each class lecture is usually 2 hours with 5-10 minute brake every hour. 1st Semester will start at 8 AM every morning. Lunch is 30 minutes around 12 PM. First 4 Exams are computer based. The computer program is basically a copy of the USMLE format. Very user friendly. We have 72 seconds (just like at USMLE) to answer each question. Exam day is usually every 3rd Tuesday for 1st Semesters and exams start at 8 AM. The final exam is paper-based with scantron. The exam formats work out great and I haven’t heard one complain. Of course – Final is cumulative, but weighs the same as every other exam. As a result, every class has 5 exams with 20% making each exam.

I want to leave you with one advise. Get ready for what is ahead mentally. You must really want to become a physician. There are no shortcuts from here on. Getting a chance to go to Caribbean medical school is a second chance. Don’t blow it. You will start with a class of probably 60 students. 1 or 2 will drop out because they just can’t take it. Many will drop one course to make it easier for themselves. But in the end, if you study hard every day (don’t cram, it doesn’t work in the long run) you will be fine. Take medical school a semester at a time. Don’t worry about 2nd Semester until after the final exam. Note – don’t get bogged down in “oh, 2nd semester is so hard. Biochemistry is impossible, etc.” It doesn’t help anyone to worry about these things until you are there and have to go through it yourself. Also, don’t get into the politics of things. Many students will say things like “oh, Saba is never gone be approved by California, or it isn’t approved by this or that state.” The bottom line is it doesn’t matter. So what if some state won’t approve Saba. The whole idea is that you are getting a chance to practice medicine. Another thing is – grades. You’ll hear some talk about how important it is to get straight A’s (4.0 gpa). Not true. What you need to do is study hard enough to score high on the USMLE. You know something, if you study for USMLE, I mean study hard for USMLE – by default I promise you a B in each of your medical courses. But don’t go there and try to be competitive, because it’s not worth it. You are all in the same boat and are there for the same reason. Beat each other up on USMLE if you want to play hard. There is where it counts.

rimon7381
08-20-2004, 11:31 PM
Great Post. THANK YOU!

Ferrarijp
08-20-2004, 11:33 PM
Thank you Doctor 2007 for your words...
Your honesty and positiveness is refreshing.
See you in a couple weeks.

Polopiach
08-22-2004, 12:57 AM
Thanks for your briefs...waw! Looks like we are at war with books for the next 5 semesters... Well, nothing good comes easy. Thanks so much for the information regarding your experience as a first semester student. Thanks a lot. The post was really informative!

Polo

CAgirl
08-22-2004, 12:18 PM
That was great. :)))

Thank you so much for all that info. It's great advice & very encouraging.

Thanks again. :)

Keep the advice coming if you can. It's so appreciated!

classic
08-22-2004, 04:12 PM
Thanks so much for the info. It's so good to get the first person perspective about these things. Keep it up Doc. :wink:

futureofamerica
08-22-2004, 04:38 PM
Doc, thanks for the post it was very helpful to know things beforehand. I have a question about the comuterized based examz. Is the material in the exam questions well covered in the lectures? How do students do?

Thanks in advance

doctor2007
08-22-2004, 05:21 PM
Everything that is on the exams will be covered in your lectures. There are no suprises on the material. However, students do get suprised on the level of difficulty of the exam. For example, block 3 exam in Anatomy (which included the Abdomen and Pelvis) was a very difficult exam. Basically, 10-15 students failed that exam. Usually for the rest of the exams few students fail. One advice is to take each exam one test at a time. You will have student fail on each exam, but it doesn't mean that the same students fail each exam. In the end, 1 or 2 people will actually fail the entire course. 1 or 2 students will drop med school, just cause they decide to look into another profession. The pass score for each of the courses at Saba is 75%. Try to stay above 75% on each exam and you will be fine. Don't get bugged down on grades, they mean little when compared with the USMLE. Residency Directors look at your USMLE scores and they will compare your score to other students. Grades is just to get you through med school, from one class to the next. If you wonder how I know this - try to go on Saba website and email graduates of Saba that are doing residency right now. The website should have a list of graduates with their email address. Before I went to Saba I emailed over 25 graduates and they were of great resource.

Alright, hopefully all this helps. A number of students from our class (2nd semester) will be TA's in your Anatomy Lab. Take advantage of the opportunity and ask each student how to approach each exam. I'll see you in the Lab. Bring your Atlas. :D

I have a question about the comuterized based examz. Is the material in the exam questions well covered in the lectures? How do students do?

Thanks in advance

doctor2007
08-22-2004, 05:27 PM
Glad to help out as much as I can. I have another 2 weeks before I return to Saba, therefore if anyone has questions - just post them or PM me and I'll be more than happy to answer them. It's very difficult for me to log onto ValueMD after I arrive at SUSOM.

Good luck and see everyone at SUSOM!


Keep the advice coming if you can. It's so appreciated!

gasdr
08-22-2004, 10:02 PM
Hi Guys,

doctor2007, that was a great post. Good heads up for folks going down to the island.

As one of the guys in residency, I can say that doctor2007 is right on when he says not to worry too much about the grades in your classes and worry more about getting down the knowledge for the USMLE. It is how you are compared to US grads and other foreign grads.

The USMLE is not a test you can cram for. Study hard for this test while you are in each subject and the review just before the exam will be that much easier. If you do this your grades on the island will likely also be excellent.

A warning though: don't think you can screw around on the island and make up for it with the USMLE. Chances are you will not be able to turn it on just for the USMLE if you have not covered the material well while on the island.
If you screw up in your basic science courses it could also affect the quality of your clinical rotations.

KDog
08-24-2004, 11:19 AM
Thanks for the info Doctor 2007,

I have a few questions about Moore books. When you state you only really need the "baby" one. Are you talking about the Review Manual. Is that also for Embryology as well. Do you need Moore for both Anatomy and Embryology.

doctor2007
08-24-2004, 01:26 PM
Sorry for the confusion. Keith L. Moore wrote two books

1. Clinical Oriented Anatomy (which is the book Saba require it for the course)
2. Essential Clinical Anatomy (which students refer to as Baby Moore - because it is smaller is size and fewer pages)

If you go to amazon.com and type in the following names you will see what I mean. Both books are written by the same author. However, the Baby Moore book is more of a review of all the important material one must know in order to do well in his/her medical profession.

As for Embryology, I don't know if there is such a small review book. I got "The Developing Human" by Moore (it seems that it is the same author as the Anatomy Book. Yet, I rarely used the book. I recommend the BRS for Embryology (must have). That's enough to help you answer the lecture questions on the exam.

I have a few questions about <A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=valuetheplace-20&keyword=Moore%2C%20Keith%20L.&mode=books>Moore</A> books. When you state you only really need the "baby" one. Are you talking about the Review Manual. Is that also for Embryology as well. Do you need <A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=valuetheplace-20&keyword=Moore%2C%20Keith%20L.&mode=books>Moore</A> for both Anatomy and Embryology.

KDog
08-24-2004, 01:43 PM
Oh well, I just bought Clinically Oriented Anatomy before I read your post, thanks anyway. I wonder if I should go ahead and get Baby Moore too. Is Wheater's Functional Histology a must? What about DiFiore's Atlas? I just don't want to buy them and hawl them down if I am not going to use them.

doctor2007
08-24-2004, 01:58 PM
The thing about Clinically Oriented Anatomy is that you won't have the time to read the entire book. But now that you got it, be selective in what you read. Definetly read the blue boxes and do the Case Studies at the end of each chapter, especially for Block 3 exam. I would probably say, borrow the Baby Moore book from someone at school. If you order it now I don't know if you will get it in time. Don't forget to get BRS-Anatomy - it's a must and it's easy to read.

The Wheater's Functional Histology is of no help. Don't get it. But do get DiFiore's Atlas. It is of great source. That's the only book you should buy. Any other book in Histology will be a waste of money.

Oh well, I just bought Clinically Oriented Anatomy before I read your post, thanks anyway. I wonder if I should go ahead and get Baby <A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=valuetheplace-20&keyword=Moore%2C%20Keith%20L.&mode=books>Moore</A> too. Is Wheater's Functional Histology a must? What about DiFiore's Atlas? I just don't want to buy them and hawl them down if I am not going to use them.

ducman
08-24-2004, 02:52 PM
I heard that the Ross Histology book was the bible? Any opinions?

Polopiach
08-25-2004, 12:14 AM
Doctor2007,

I am just wondering what the author for BRS Embryology that you suggested is. I see a number of BRS books by diffrent authors, and I was just wondering which edition and particular author is being at Saba. What about the other BRS books?

Polo

doctor2007
08-25-2004, 01:36 AM
This is the book I'm referring to:

Brs Embryology (Board Review Series) - 2nd Edition
by Ronald W. Dudek

The BRS for Anatomy is highly recommended. As for BRS-Histology, you should get it because it will help you with the theory part of the course.

See you on the island.

Doctor2007,

I am just wondering what the author for <A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=valuetheplace-20&keyword=Board%20Review%20Series&mode=books>BRS</A> Embryology that you suggested is. I see a number of <A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=valuetheplace-20&keyword=Board%20Review%20Series&mode=books>BRS</A> books by diffrent authors, and I was just wondering which edition and particular author is being at Saba. What about the other <A HREF=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=valuetheplace-20&keyword=Board%20Review%20Series&mode=books>BRS</A> books?

Polo

CAgirl
08-25-2004, 12:49 PM
I also have a question. Do you guys find that the material you`re learning at SABA is relevant & similar to what is on STEP 1?

doctor2007
08-25-2004, 01:12 PM
Since I've been back I have been looking over USMLE questions and material from books such as First Aid USMLE 2004. I have to say the questions in these books are definetly more difficult than the questions on the exams in 1st semester. At the same time, you have to remember that USMLE questions are more comprehensive, although a question might be categorized as a Pathology question, it may require you to know something from Histology and Physiology. That's why the questions will make more sense as we go through the 5 semesters at Saba.

If someone that finished the Basic Sciences and took the USMLE Step 1 can answer this question, it would be greatly appreciated.

From my own experience from 1st semester, I feel very comfortable with Anatomy, Histology and Embryology. I feel competent and that is above all the most important thing. The professors teach you all you need to know to practice medicine and be comfortable with what you know and do. If you take care of your ability to know the material and than apply it to clinical conditions, you will have no problem on USMLE.

Good luck and see you on Saba. :)

Polopiach
08-26-2004, 12:25 AM
Thanks a lot Doctor2007! I have indeed ordered the BRS embryology already. I got a used but good copy via amazon.com because they weren't sure of when new ones will come, and just indicated that you can pre-order and then when theyse are ready, they'll be shipped. Since I am not sure when these would be available, I therefore decided to go for a used copy instead! They say it is the same edition, so the information is the same. Thanks a lot for the information. I am gonna order the BRS Anatomy and Histology too this weekend.

Thanks for all the updates. What happens if one fails one of the block exams? Are they made to repeat or given another exams, say a supplementary exam? Generally are the results posted publicly on a notice voard or how do you know those who failed an exam?

Besides the exams, are there other weekly reading and / or take-home assignments?

Now that you have completed Sem-1 I believe you may have stayed in the dormitory, do students eat in the dorm or they eat in the outside restaurants? Do the students prepare their own meals in these dorms? I am just asking these questions because I would like to know so that I plan accordingly.

Thanks and I sincerely appreciate every answer to every one of these querries.

doctor2007
08-26-2004, 01:47 AM
I am always happy to answer questions. This forum has been a great resource to me when I applied to Saba and continues to be a valuble source while I'm in Med School. Until I return back to Saba (in 10 days) I have enough time to answer any question.

What happens if one fails one of the block exams? Are they made to repeat or given another exams, say a supplementary exam? Generally are the results posted publicly on a notice board or how do you know those who failed an exam?

There are no penalty for failing any of the exams. There are 5 exams (5 blocks) for every class and the grade will be determined based on your total points for each course. Usually for Anatomy/Embryology there are a total of 1000 points while in Histology there are 500 points available. Just remember at the end of the course you want to have 75% of the available points to pass the course.

Besides the exams, are there other weekly reading and / or take-home assignments?

There is no weekly reading nor any take-home assignments. There is a small project in Informatics which you will do in less than 30 minutes together with the class during regular class hour.

Now that you have completed Sem-1 I believe you may have stayed in the dormitory, do students eat in the dorm or they eat in the outside restaurants? Do the students prepare their own meals in these dorms? I am just asking these questions because I would like to know so that I plan accordingly.

Yes I did stay in the dorm and I enjoyed it very much. As I mentioned previously, it makes thing a lot easier since students usually like to change into scrubs before going to Anatomy Lab. Then you can come home take a shower and go to the library and study. Everything in walking distance and it's great.

The way I did things is that I ate breakfast and dinner at the dorm. You will only have a microwave in the dorm and a small refrigerator, therefore you can't really cook anything. But I was able to heat pre-cooked meals which I bought from My Store. As for lunch, I usually ate at the school cafeteria. They have good foods, a variety of foods each day.

Someone might wonder about studying in the dorm. If you can study while your roommate is around, or if you can study with little noice, than of course anyone can study in the room. The Library is a great place especially if you don't want to be disturbed. However, remember before exams and finals - the library is usually packed. This especially occurs during finals (when 2-4 semester students) are taking Shelf Exams. 1st semester students are usually more relaxed before the final exam because Block 5 doesn't contain that much new material. Although the final exam is comprehensive, you will have a lot of time before the exam to review all blocks and materials.

Polopiach
08-27-2004, 12:59 AM
Doc2007,

Thanks for your continued answers.I really appreciate these. Now, about the exams, what grade is 75%...an A, B, C, D? From your experience, does the last block (5th block) any tougher than the previous 4 blocks, or is it a composite of all the 4 blocks?

Concerning the Dorm life, approxly how much does a "simple" lunch meal cost at the School's cafeteria? Do they allow you to carry food from cafeteria to the dorm maybe to warm the next morning for breakfast?

In classes do the lecturers dictate the notes to the students or students usually shorthand their own the as the lecturers are teaching?

Thanks again Doc2007!

Polo

doctor2007
08-27-2004, 03:06 AM
What grade is 75%...an A, B, C, D? From your experience, does the last block (5th block) any tougher than the previous 4 blocks, or is it a composite of all the 4 blocks?

Grades are determined by this method at Saba
Below 75% is a F
75%-79% is a C
80-89% is a B
90-100% is an A

5th Block is the Final Exam. It is a composite of all previous 4 blocks plus some extra new material that you learn within the last 3 weeks of school. Remember there are 15 weeks per semester with an exam every 3 weeks. Last block (Block 5) is comprehensive.

Concerning the Dorm life, approxly how much does a "simple" lunch meal cost at the School's cafeteria? Do they allow you to carry food from cafeteria to the dorm maybe to warm the next morning for breakfast?

A simple lunch meal such as a Sandwich costs $3.00-$4.00. They also sell specials every lunch which usually costs $6.00. Yes you can carry food from cafeteria to the dorm. You can usually ask them to make it to go so they put it in a box for you. Makes life a bit simpler. Not everything is neuroscience. :P

In classes do the lecturers dictate the notes to the students or students usually shorthand their own the as the lecturers are teaching?

In Anatomy and Embryology - when Dr. Raja teaches the students shorthand their own notes as he teaches. Remember to ask him to write words that you don't understand on the board because sometimes he is hard to understand. As for the other professor, I don't know since he/she is a new professor that is starting this September.

In Histology - Dr. Flay will give you powerpoint slides with complete notes. She has done a great job and if she is still teaching next semester you will get a great education in Histo. As for the other professor, again he/she is new so I don't know how he/she will teach.

Remember to bring a laptop. It's a must at Saba. You will type a lot, especially during Dr. Raja's lectures in which he only talks and you write everything he says. Some have even recorded him and then rewrote his lectures. I don't recommend it because it's a waste of time. Just ask somebody to give you his/her lectures.

Great questions Polo. Keep it up. Makes the transition a lot easier. 8)