Touro College Medical School comimg to New Jersey

[singer]

Did you hear that when Goverour McGreveey resigned in New Jersey one of the issues that was brought up is that he and hs male lover and his corrupt contributor was trying to get Touro college to open a medical school in New Jersey.

Don't apply yet!!!!

[singer]

Actually in todays Bergen Recrd there is an article about the town of Haskbrook Heights and Touro College planning on setting up a medical school. It states there would be 300 students. Its not a done deal but it is before the governing body of the town. Wonder why Ross which already has its Administrative office in New Jersey can't work out such a deal

[BrotherMan]

Did you hear that when Goverour McGreveey resigned in New Jersey one of the issues that was brought up is that he and hs male lover and his corrupt contributor was trying to get Touro college to open a medical school in New Jersey.

Don't apply yet!!!!


And your point is......

[thethom]

Actually in todays Bergen Recrd there is an article about the town of Haskbrook Heights and Touro College planning on setting up a medical school. It states there would be 300 students. Its not a done deal but it is before the governing body of the town. Wonder why Ross which already has its Administrative office in New Jersey can't work out such a deal


Those of you that are in close with the Ross higher-ups, get on this... Every new school needs large financial support. If Ross can lend a helping hand then who knows what could grow from the resultant relationship.

[spyyder]

School still awaiting LCME approval. They won't be staring for at least 5-7 years. Temporary office based in Hackensack, NJ, expecting to start with 40 students. The hospital in Hackensack is extremely posh, but already affiliated with UMDNJ. Also its a Jewish based school.

[onmyway]

Several years back Ross tried to open a campus in Wyoming. The Governor and Legislature of the state signed off on it, but the AMA, LCME, ACGME, and every other medical power-that-is went absolutely ballistic over it...mainly the idea of a foreign school on US soil, outside the authority of the LCME. Anyway, Ross ditched the idea and I truly doubt they'd want to open up that can of worms--or a similar one by getting involved with a startup US school--again.

[thethom]

Not so much opening another campus for Ross as that would cause all kinds of licensure issues the likes of which I have already had to deal with at St. Christophers, but more securing a relationship with the school and thus privileges at the affilliated hospital.

[liqu0rleadstocha0s]

School still awaiting LCME approval. They won't be staring for at least 5-7 years. Temporary office based in Hackensack, NJ, expecting to start with 40 students. The hospital in Hackensack is extremely posh, but already affiliated with UMDNJ. Also its a Jewish based school.

LCME = allopathic schools.
Touro = DO school

it has to do anything with getting LCME approval. DO schools are accredited by the AOA.

[homerbrave]

I often wonder why DO students and doctors want to be referred to as medical students and doctors, respectively?

Their program and degree cleary state Doctor of Osteopathic (DO) and NOT Doctor of Medicine (MD). Shouldn't they want to be referred to as osteopathic students and doctors?

They really shouldn't confabulate because we all know their education is very similar to ours.

[thethom]

LCME = allopathic schools.
Touro = DO school

it has to do anything with getting LCME approval. DO schools are accredited by the AOA.

Actually, if you read a little further into their website you will see that the school they are opening up will be allopathic and will grant the "MD" degree. They already have a DO school. LCME approval will be for the new MD school.....

[Chianti]

The Ross-Wyoming thing was a HUGE deal. The LCME actually offered a compromise to Ross which would've made Ross an officially accredited US medical school over the next 5 years. Of course that would've meant that class sizes would have had to have been capped at around 100 students maximum per year or some figure like that. When the administration at Ross realized this would mean profits would go way down they rejected the LCME's offer to make Ross a full-fledged US medical school.

The funny part is that Ross officials like Dr. C in Miami and Dean P. always talk about their "dream" of Ross becoming a US med school one day, yet when they were presented with the opportunity they rejected it because it would have meant profits would have gone down. Lying hypocrites!

[liqu0rleadstocha0s]

Actually, if you read a little further into their website you will see that the school they are opening up will be allopathic and will grant the "MD" degree. They already have a DO school. LCME approval will be for the new MD school.....

ohh i thought they were just opening another branch. can't be too hard for them to get it since they already have had DO schools. interesting stuff...i wonder if other DO schools will try to open MD schools...so much of the osteopathic philosophies

[ray548]

The Ross-Wyoming thing was a HUGE deal. The LCME actually offered a compromise to Ross which would've made Ross an officially accredited US medical school over the next 5 years. Of course that would've meant that class sizes would have had to have been capped at around 100 students maximum per year or some figure like that. When the administration at Ross realized this would mean profits would go way down they rejected the LCME's offer to make Ross a full-fledged US medical school.

The funny part is that Ross officials like Dr. C in Miami and Dean P. always talk about their "dream" of Ross becoming a US med school one day, yet when they were presented with the opportunity they rejected it because it would have meant profits would have gone down. Lying hypocrites!

I wouldn't call them lying hypocrites. If you do some quick math, you'd lose close to $8 million year with a class size difference between 300 students per semester, and 100 students per semester. A Ross education is funded purely through tuition money, so I'd call it a sound business decision.

U.S. med schools, that do have about 100 students per year, have the luxury of not only being funded by student tuition but also by alumni donations, grants, etc.

[jjmalu]

Do you really think Dr.C had the authority to make the decision? If it was before Ross was bought by devry then he was just in charge of admissions, and if it was after then there is a board and executive VPs that would be making such a business decision.

People really exagerate the power that professors and staff have upon the overall business model and profits of Devry and its subsidiary.

[Carlota321]

I wouldn't call them lying hypocrites. If you do some quick math, you'd lose close to $8 million year with a class size difference between 300 students per semester, and 100 students per semester. A Ross education is funded purely through tuition money, so I'd call it a sound business decision.

U.S. med schools, that do have about 100 students per year, have the luxury of not only being funded by student tuition but also by alumni donations, grants, etc.

If you do some quick math you'd also realized that the majority of the students would be without a school if the limit was 100 students per semester! The school would be more competitve and I'm sure the majority of the students Ross takes now would not make it to the first day of classes. It would have been awsome to say I graduated from a US med school but I'll just take graduating from a med school otherwise. So I'm with you ray, I do not think they are lying hypocrites, I think they made the best decision for their students! Maybe things aren't perfect down here or in the clinical years but at least when it's all over we WILL have an MD after our name!

[onmyway]

Speaking of new medical schools, there's a new one in our neck of the woods....sea...whatever: "Caribbean Medical University" on Curacao. Gettin' crowded down there....

[rokshana]

I often wonder why DO students and doctors want to be referred to as medical students and doctors, respectively?

Their program and degree cleary state Doctor of Osteopathic (DO) and NOT Doctor of Medicine (MD). Shouldn't they want to be referred to as osteopathic students and doctors?

They really shouldn't confabulate because we all know their education is very similar to ours.

well we don't refer to ourselves as allopathic students and doctors now do we (because MD is really just that - the allopathic is just understood)? so for DOs to refer to themselves as medical students and doctors isn't wrong.

[homerbrave]

well we don't refer to ourselves as allopathic students and doctors now do we (because MD is really just that - the allopathic is just understood)? so for DOs to refer to themselves as medical students and doctors isn't wrong.

actually, both you and them are quite wrong. medical students/doctors ID themselves the way we do because of the Doctor of Medicine or M.D. insigna and not because of the allopathic vs. osteopathic nature. DOs folks have the unfortunate circumstances of being mislabled.

[rokshana]

actually, both you and them are quite wrong. medical students/doctors ID themselves the way we do because of the Doctor of Medicine or M.D. insigna and not because of the allopathic vs. osteopathic nature. DOs folks have the unfortunate circumstances of being mislabled.


huh?

you do KNOW that MDs are doctors of allopathic medicine, right?

[2ndyear]

huh?

you do KNOW that MDs are doctors of allopathic medicine, right?

Wow! You are making a fool of yourself, Rokshana, even if you are just being a sarcastic st. george medical student who often frequent this forum to offer your $0.02.

The author is a resident doctor. I am quite certain he knows.

[swimguy23]

Wow! You are making a fool of yourself, Rokshana, even if you are just being a sarcastic st. george medical student who often frequent this forum to offer your $0.02.

The author is a resident doctor. I am quite certain he knows.

wow, strong e-muscles dude.....quite condescending as well. You earned your cookie

I thought rokshana's point was fair because it wasn't quite explicit what the other person was trying to say.....this thread reminds me of some white guy getting upset and being like "I'm NOT WHITE.....i'm ITALIAN-SICILIAN-PORTUGUESE-LITHUANIAN-GERMAN-IRISH-CZECH-RUSSIAN-AMERICAN!!!!!"

get over yourself people, there's more important things to worry about. I think if i ever went to a pt and said "Hi, i'm swimguyMD an allopathic physician, not to be confused with an osteopath, naturopath or psychopath"
all they would hear is "Hi, i'm swimguyMD blah blah blah blah blah"

[rokshana]

Wow! You are making a fool of yourself, Rokshana, even if you are just being a sarcastic st. george medical student who often frequent this forum to offer your $0.02.

The author is a resident doctor. I am quite certain he knows.

evidently the sarcasm was lost on you ... trust me when i make a fool of my self i am ususually MUCH more dramatic!!

and if you want to be nit picky...he is an INTERN...he has a few months before he's a resident....and i would imagine that there may actually be a DO in his class- what? isn't he a medical intern too? he's a ...what?....osteopath in an MD residency? what is an osteopath who finishes an allopathic residency called??

[2ndyear]

wow, strong e-muscles dude.....quite condescending as well. You earned your cookie

I thought rokshana's point was fair because it wasn't quite explicit what the other person was trying to say.....this thread reminds me of some white guy getting upset and being like "I'm NOT WHITE.....i'm ITALIAN-SICILIAN-PORTUGUESE-LITHUANIAN-GERMAN-IRISH-CZECH-RUSSIAN-AMERICAN!!!!!"

get over yourself people, there's more important things to worry about. I think if i ever went to a pt and said "Hi, i'm swimguyMD an allopathic physician, not to be confused with an osteopath, naturopath or psychopath"
"

This is some profound thoughts you got going here, my man.

[2ndyear]

evidently the sarcasm was lost on you ... trust me when i make a fool of my self i am ususually MUCH more dramatic!!

and if you want to be nit picky...he is an INTERN...he has a few months before he's a resident....and i would imagine that there may actually be a DO in his class- what? isn't he a medical intern too? he's a ...what?....osteopath in an MD residency? what is an osteopath who finishes an allopathic residency called??

like i wrote previously but now an angry 'fool'.

[singer]

Not usually in favor of resurecting an old thread but for anyone interested. Touro College and Hackensack University Medical center just won a biding process for the bankrupt Pascack Valley Hospital in Bergen County New Jersey. Next month the LCME will come for accreditiion purposes. If this happens I beleive the first calss of Touro Medical school will start soon after. This should increase US medical school enrollment by over 100 students per year and also increase the competition for residency slots.