Jackson Park Hospital rotations

[myrandom2003]

Just wondering if anyone has done their rotations at jackson park and would be willing to describe their experience there. From what i hear, it isnt a very good place to go to learn and the staff doesnt really care about you. So any information would help. Thanks in advance for the help.

[VTACH]

hmm no one has anything to say on the Jackson Park rotation?? If someone out there knows anything at all, please respond..I'd be interested in hearing about this rotation, and i know many prospective/current students are from the Chicago-land area..

[Cuando2]

unfortunately, i've found that this forum isnt such a great place to learn about clinicals and such...the majority of the posts is regarding the first 16 mos (or longer for some) and is just starting to regard miami lately...which sux cuz i need info on clinicals too!

[jim]

JPH is very hot and cold. some rotations are great, some suck. If you do IM, ther are a couple different attendings. the one, Dr Kumar , only takes a half dozen people. he generraly only takes chicago med and ross students(JPH has people from about a gazillion med schools there!). He treats you like a resident, which means when you actually start residency you will find yourself ahead of the other newbies. he teaches at bedside. can be very malignant at times(makes Dr F in miami look like a teddy bear!). usually, the ones who he is most malignant with deserve it(malingerers, slackers, etc). OB is luck of the draw. I had a great rotation, with dr shah. at the time, we had a huge increase in delveries that 2 months(did an extra 2 weeks). the group before us hardly had any daytime deliveries the whole time, we had 3 before lunch our fisrt day. peds is ok, but no inpatient. psych downright sucked. FP is supposed to be good, but i didnt do it there, so that is by word of mouth. surgery is very slow there. 2 docs, one doesnt let you do much, but lectures alot. the other lectures less, but if you are interested, lets you do all kinds of stuff. electives are hot and cold. nephro is excellent. pulm is good. cards is good. GI is ok. ER isnt too good,a s most trauma goes elswhere. the one thing that is good at JPH, is that if you do extra 2 weeks of OB and extra 2 weeks of pedss(do the neonate elective), you then qualify to do trauma and a few other excellent electives at cook county(stroger) hospital.

[Calínago]

Hey Jim, did they have GI at JPH, and who was the attending?

As Jim stated, the rotation really depends on the attending. Jackson Park is really a primary care center with strengths in FP and OB. Beyond that it is a great place to do rotations and have enough time to study for boards. There was a lot of cheating going on there too, like everywhere else.

When I did Peds wit Dr. Alzalam we had some inpatient when he rounded at Mercy. Depending on your enthusiasm level, you can round with subspecialists in other hospitals, even though you are still based at JPH. I heard people did Neuro at other hospitals. ID was interesting with Dr. Ogbara. He is also a great internist and even better teacher. I got to go with him for consults at some other hospitals (Providence CCH and Advocate Trinity). Also, I did cards with Dr. Madani and he took me to hospitals in Indiana, a great experience, and he showed me how to interpret EKGs and stress tests. There is no cath lab or cardiac surgery at JPH so you will only see medical management there, which is really missing the whole cards experience. Nephrology was great. Dr. Mufuka was a whiz and had great clinical technique. I hated OB/Gyn because the patients, residents, attendings, and most nurses were whacked.
Radiology is like any other american medical school, a morning rotation, not much except passive learning. Psych depended on what attending you had, but it was basically self-taught. If you want to learn more take Dr. Miller, Surgery was a waste of time but at least we had time to study. Dr. David thought he knew everything and was an ok lecturer but wasnt much of a one-on-one teacher. I remember I asked him a few questions on cauterization and he would bark at me how I should read more instead of answering the question. Some people did Heme-onc and Path and I heard they were OK but definitely not enough patient exposure. I guess that's what residency is for...

Overall JPH is convenient, continuous, and allows time for self-study, but it is by no means extraordinary. A lot of the students there are goofs, but dont let them get in your way.

[Swaydaa]

Like the previous post said, rotations are hit or miss. A few great things about JPH:
1. You are in one spot with secured rotations for the entire clinical training
2. All rotations are ACGME approved becuase JPH is affiliated with a medical school. Don't have to worry about PENN OR CALI.
3. You have the option of picking up some really good outside rotations that are ACGME approve...Cook County, Loyola, UIC if lucky, etc.
4. Yes, some rotations are really SLOW, but many students use those type of rotations to study for STEP 2.

In addition to the previous post, I would say that Infectious Disease was an awesome rotation. Very smart teacher willing to go the extra yards for you. No, the E.R. is not the best if you are going into EM, but it's one of the best places in JPH to learn critical care.....tons of intubations, central lines, ACLS, LP's, I.V.'s and arterial blood draws.

[jim]

I for got about Ogbaras ID. an excellent rotation! and Ogbara is a ross grad form back in the 80s, when class size was a dozen students and they all lived at the other end of the island in a hotel. cant remember the GI guy, its the one whose brother does heme onc, and they spell their names differently to preventconfusion!