so really...

[alphachidoc2be]

So I've been doing a lot of searches on this forum, and still haven't really found a complete answer to 2 important questions I have. Hopefully someone can fill me in-

First, what percentage of AUC students pass the USMLE step I on the first try?? I can't seem to find a definite #, but have heard anything from 40 on up to 80!

Second, if I ended up attending AUC and want to do all my clinicals in the US (which is what I want to do), is it pretty much guaranteed that I'd be able to do that (assuming I pass classes and all that good stuff!) or is there still a chance I would have to go to Europe? Along the same lines, do you get any say on where in the US you do your clinicals, or is that chosen for you??

Thanks for the advice, everyone!
:D

[zedpol]

So i am in the midst of a 2 week block of procrastinating and if i could give you all in advice, don't procrastinate for 2 weeks. Ok now that is out of the way.

I am fairly confident that board pass rates depend more on the quality of the students than the school. You are going to be ok if you go to Ross, AUC, or SGU. I know less about saba, but they apparently have their act together. Anyone want to back me up on this or disagree with me? I can't help with the 2nd question.

peace :-bird

[microphage]

So i am in the midst of a 2 week block of procrastinating and if i could give you all in advice, don't procrastinate for 2 weeks. Ok now that is out of the way.

I am fairly confident that board pass rates depend more on the quality of the students than the school. You are going to be ok if you go to Ross, AUC, or SGU. I know less about saba, but they apparently have their act together. Anyone want to back me up on this or disagree with me? I can't help with the 2nd question.

peace :-bird

No worries Zedpool, I took 2 weeks off on my last set of blocks... and apparently, so did everybody else in my class.. hahah :wink:

I agree with Zedpool, the pass rates are similar enough that the difference mainly depends on the person rather than the teachers. Some of our teachers are bad here and you just have to study their material, then go back to study the USMLE material. That's just the way life is(it sucks). As for the pass rates, 70-80% is what I heard time after time again from the Dean. Hopefully, the 1st time pass rate will go up with the incorporation of the Kaplan in 5th semester.

as for the Clinical sites, I doubt anyone except the Office of Clinical Affairs can give you a figure. Call MEIO and ask them. You do get to submit a form as to where you wish to do your clinical sites(rank the locations you'd like to do them, and why, etc).

[txd]

once you're here, or any of the other med schools, you'll be well familiar with the rumor mill. you'll hear alot. I hear alot, but most of what I hear is somewhere around 77%, with 77% being what I hear most often. Whether or not that's true... who knows. but...

... what does that mean for you? Really not much. If you're really motivated about passing the USMLE, you will pass. Any student at any school can pass or fail, given as much guidance or not. A recent grad from AUC just recently took the USMLE. Although his score is not disclosed, we're all aware he did very well. He said there is NOTHING you will see on the USMLE that you will not have seen at one point in time on this campus. You WILL be exposed to the same material that every medical school in the states have, and you WILL see the same material on the USMLE.... quite frankly though, my concern is I am exposed to material that is NOT on the USMLE far too often... but that's probably for another thread.

So, really, it is up to your own discpline and motivation. Hope that helps.

[teratos]

The answers are buried somewhere out there. There isn't a problem doing all of your rotations in the US. The USMLE step 1 pass rate is in the low 80's (81-82% first time takers.) G

[Precision]

How about doing all your clinical rotations at an AGCME certified hospital? This is one requirement for a FMG to practice in the State of Texas and I'm interested to know how many hospitals of AUC affiliates are actually ACGME certified? I've checked St. Matt for ACGME certified hospitals and they only have 2 or 3. SGU has quite a few, but AUC doesn't even list the hospitals they are affiliated with on the web site. Could you point me in the right direction?

Thanks

The answers are buried somewhere out there. There isn't a problem doing all of your rotations in the US. The USMLE step 1 pass rate is in the low 80's (81-82% first time takers.) G

[Precision]

I haven't been able to locate a list of hospitals that AUC has affiliations with in the U.S. I've been attempting to research which ones are ACGME certified hospitals because that is a requirement to get licensed in Texas. All rotations must be completed in a ACGME hospital for that specific field, i.e. If a Hopsital is ACGME certified for Neurology, and you attempt to do OB/GYN or Psychaitry, which the hospital is not certified for through the ACGME, you immediatly become unable to get licensed in Texas.

I've look at all the other schools web sites that have their affiliate hospitals on-line, but AUC doesn't seem to want to share that information. Could you be of any help in this area?


The answers are buried somewhere out there. There isn't a problem doing all of your rotations in the US. The USMLE step 1 pass rate is in the low 80's (81-82% first time takers.) G

[rdecastro]

This might help:

http://www.aucmed.edu/usa.php

[j-son]

Another great website is...

http://www.aucmed.edu/usa_hospitals.php

You can click on each hospital name and learn which core clincal rotations can be done at each site. There are also links to the various hospitals websites.

If you're interested in the Europe sites check out...

http://www.aucmed.edu/uk_hospitals.php

[MushieCookie]

not sure how up to date that list is. I've heard the school has added a site, may 'relocated' another site, and may lose one due to a contract not being renewed.

Like I said...not for certain...but just some things i've heard.

[julestx]

You're right about Texas licensure. I cant find ANY rotations in AUC affiliated hospitals for an ACGME accredited neuro program, and I went to the ACGME website and looked up all of AUC's affiliate hospitals on there. If you learn anything concerning this please let me know, post here or pm me. The Texas Board folks are saying its a mandatory requirement for all fmg rotations, for licensure, but this neuro rotation is a headache right now.

Jules

[microphage]

I always thought the neuro rotation is a 4th year elective so it doesn't have to be at a AUC affiliated hospital.?!?!?!?!?!?

[AUCMD2006]

family practice and neuro are "mandatory electives" not part of cores so we can do them at any hospital right?

[julestx]

Not according to the Texas Board...they emailed saying that ALL rotations, both cores AND electives must be done in ACGME accredited programs (for the SPECIFIC area of your rotation...not umbrella'd under some other program such as IM). Not only that...but the rotations must all be in contractually bound AUC affiliate hospitals...not the smaller agreements students are permitted to make themselves, at any teaching hospital. If you find this to be incorrect, please let me know your source. I've emailed the Texas Board several times clarifying this, but it is not what MEIO claims to be correct.

[anencephalic]

Not according to the Texas Board...they emailed saying that ALL rotations, both cores AND electives must be done in ACGME accredited programs (for the SPECIFIC area of your rotation...not umbrella'd under some other program such as IM). Not only that...but the rotations must all be in contractually bound AUC affiliate hospitals...not the smaller agreements students are permitted to make themselves, at any teaching hospital. If you find this to be incorrect, please let me know your source. I've emailed the Texas Board several times clarifying this, but it is not what MEIO claims to be correct.

Pop Quiz: When it comes to medical licensure in the state of Texas, whom should you trust?

a) MEIO
b) the Texas State Medical Licensing Boards
c) both a & b
d) neither a nor b
e) all of the above

Gearing myself up for another block... :roll:


The correct answer is "b"

Aloha,

[levator]

Not according to the Texas Board...they emailed saying that ALL rotations, both cores AND electives must be done in ACGME accredited programs (for the SPECIFIC area of your rotation...not umbrella'd under some other program such as IM). Not only that...but the rotations must all be in contractually bound AUC affiliate hospitals...not the smaller agreements students are permitted to make themselves, at any teaching hospital. If you find this to be incorrect, please let me know your source. I've emailed the Texas Board several times clarifying this, but it is not what MEIO claims to be correct.

Pop Quiz: When it comes to medical licensure in the state of Texas, whom should you trust?

a) MEIO
b) the Texas State Medical Licensing Boards
c) both a & b
d) neither a nor b
e) all of the above

Gearing myself up for another block... :roll:


The correct answer is "b"


Aloha,


hold on... i almost got it... i am trying to bubble my "football" in perfectly....could the answer be a combo of the above choices?? :?

[wolfvgang22]

The fact that outside agreements for electives won't work for Texas had not really sunk in into ya'll mentioned it.

This would make doing overseas rotations in the UK very attractive for people who want to get licensed in Texas, because UK rotations are all considered greenbook. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

[julestx]

The Texas Board rep has verified that all rotations in the UK and Ireland, as long as they are done in verifiable, governed hospitals, are acceptable. They do require documentation stating that the program falls under a governing body such as the Royal College of Phyicians and Surgeons, or similar. But other than that, all rotations are fine outside of the U.S.

[microphage]

Have fun in Europe guys!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[DrShikima]

The Texas Board rep has verified that all rotations in the UK and Ireland, as long as they are done in verifiable, governed hospitals, are acceptable. They do require documentation stating that the program falls under a governing body such as the Royal College of Phyicians and Surgeons, or similar. But other than that, all rotations are fine outside of the U.S.


Cool, thanks for finding this out for all of us. I'm sure if we follow this guideline of applying for licensure in TX, then it won't matter what state we goto, we'll be covered! :lol:

[AUCMD2006]

i meant electives we don't have to do at contracted hospitals only we can go to any hospital that will take us and is green book it doesn't have to have a contract with the school...is that right?

[microphage]

i meant electives we don't have to do at contracted hospitals only we can go to any hospital that will take us and is green book it doesn't have to have a contract with the school...is that right?

Texas seems like they are more anal than the rest so it probably would be best to goto a ACGME approved hospital like she said...
i.e. if you goto AUC, goto europe for your neuro rotation if you wanna goto Texas.....